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Michael Mrozek

12:37 AM

I'm pretty sure this got deleted because the one guy was randomly rude to him for no reason: stackoverflow.com/questions/3507840/…

That's fairly uncool

George Marian

feels like he is on the outside looking in ;)

Michael Mrozek

George Marian

@michaelmrozek Oh, cool. Thanks!

Michael Mrozek

It's tempting to write a tool that does that automatically, but I suppose SO would probably frown on it

George Marian

Yah, probably.

@michaelmrozek It could also be that the asker doesn't understand the SO view on questions as content. Not that the rude answer helped any if that is the case.

George Marian

1:00 AM

Oh, Futurama! How I missed thee.

Nick Craver

2:58 AM

@Shog - Does that OP just not get it at all? I understand the synonym UI isn't all that intuitive, but the poster seems especially dense...

Shog9

@nickcraver beats me.

He's "Mr. XSLT" on SO though - maybe he's just that emotionally invested in the tag...

Nick Craver

maybe so

Shog9

3:21 AM

I also get the sneaking suspicion (although he didn't actually admit it) that waffles is deleting the synonym when it gets activated... So it's possible that's confusing our Dimitre as well...

Eh, @waffles? You messin' with this poor guy's head?

bah, he's snoozin'. Lazy Australians.

George Marian

4:19 AM

Someone forget to feed the hamsters?

deceze

4:31 AM

Woohoo, straight 20k! ![20000](img.skitch.com/20100818-e8addxp1dgj556xnm6x91s7cuc.png) ;)

How do images work here? :)

Michael Mrozek

Just post the URL on its own line

deceze

Nice :)

Michael Mrozek

I do enjoy hitting multiples of 1000 directly

Shog9

@deceze well, that didn't last long ;-)

deceze

Darn, can 5 people vote me down please? ;)

Michael Mrozek

4:35 AM

Oh, actually I hit 10k directly, I forgot about it; I just found the screenshot on my hard drive

deceze

@michaelmrozek Goes well with the avatar, too.

Michael Mrozek

Wow, I just found this one:

It feels like forever ago

deceze

What was so significant about 635 that you still have that screenshot?

Michael Mrozek

I have no idea. It was a screenshot of the whole SO homepage, I cropped it, but I see nothing interesting in it

Ah, I found a reference to it in my IRC logs; I was demonstrating how SO lets you mark tags interesting/ignored and how it highlights them

George Marian

6:33 AM

waffles

7:09 AM

@shog .. i dunno ... seems like a big storm for very little reason, I made the UI a bit more explicit on dev

Benjol

@waffles, good call on this one:

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Q: Censorship: Lifetime of Stackoverflow account

I am back again - after all my posts (mainly about how to opmitize C code) have been erased without mercy (nor any warning). That's now the third time it happens. My sin? Having discussed Web application tools that outdo MICROSOFT products by orders of magnitude. My questions: How many amon...

He's asked the same question again (on SO), I think he's not reading properly...

waffles

7:24 AM

@Benjol he is banned from SO now ... really poor form if you ask me

Benjol

@waffles, he'll be back, I guess... I wonder how many of these people just don't get SO, as opposed to being really malicious

waffles

causing a shit storm is not something that helps anyone... I think he is trying to plug his product .. there are tons of newsgroups and forums he can do it ... just go there

Benjol

Of course, if you believe in a global conspiracy, you'll see it everywhere, (and it ends up being a self-fulfilling prophecy)

Diago

It's actually scary that we deal with at least one of these guys a day

On any of the sites

spoulson

But he provides premium content! He MUST be worth the daily drama to unban. /s

Diago

7:34 AM

I moderate at premium waffle rates. Therefore the cost of waffles compared to unbanning ain't worth the ban bonus I receive

Oooh.... waffles.

Benjol

@spoulson, you want to start a trollsRUs stackexchange proposal :)

Diago

I am going to have a t-shirt made. Will moderate for waffles or unicorn horns!

spoulson

Every community has some a-hole on a powertrip. Fortunately, this guy isn't a mod or Jeff/Joel.

But I applaud the passion in his efforts.

Benjol

I dunno, I think the worse combination is when you have irrascible personalities + language barrier + internet anonymity + not reading the FAQ :)

spoulson

I believe the term is eThug.

waffles

7:38 AM

well this is totally not called for en.wikipedia.org/w/…

Benjol

Wow, he's got a grudge!

spoulson

Wow... I think I take it all back.

This guy is a douchebag.

He fails at understanding basic business strategy. I suppose he expected nobody was making any money running SO?

Benjol

@spoulson, or his own business strategy for that matter - pissing off the SO community is not the best way to get new customers...

I really think we could do with a 'debriefing' chat room, where people like this get 'invited' in for some kind of dialogue. (I know the most recent attempt didn't work, but hey...)

Diago

The problem with the last attempt, i think was everyone forgot the minumum requirement for rep for chat.

waffles

Its a time sink ... its not worth it ...

Benjol

7:46 AM

@Diago, yes, I think that in these cases, that would have to be overridden, and the room would have to be 'disposable'

Diago

@Benjol Agreed

Benjol

@waffles, maybe, but going round closing questions, (and rolling back wikipedia) is pretty time consuming too...

Anyway, I feel like sending the guy a mail because he's giving the .ch domain a bad name :)

waffles

there is no email ... he hid his tracks

I was going to send him one

Benjol

Well, if it's the same guy : gwan.ch/en_contact.html

(And if it's not them, they might want to know that there's someone trolling in their name)

Don

is there any truth in his claim that SO gets money from MS?

waffles

7:51 AM

that is how ads work .... we put an ad on our site and we get money

simple

and sponsored tags for that matter

Don

OK, so the money he's talking about is MS advertising on SO?

Benjol

@waffles @waffles, yeah, but that's not the reason his posts get flagged? I mean, I don't imagine that the gwan thing is even on MSs radar, let alone someone from MS phoning up Jeff and saying "swat that thing"

waffles

I don't even know where his original account is

I bet he was plugging his product in every post

spoulson

I don't get what the problem is with MS advertising on SO. To me that is a good thing.

for all

waffles

eg. How do I do XYZ in C#?

funny that you mention that G-WAN can solve your problem

Benjol

7:54 AM

reading this: forum.trustleap.com/web/g-wanforum.nsf/…, it looks like 'Pierre' might be your man ;)

Anyway, you're right, this is a time sink. I'm going to go and do something productive, bye!

waffles

stupid benchmarks if you ask me ... why not benchmark against nginx such a joke

Benjol

9:34 AM

Anyone know what the exact deal is currently re VS2010 licences and TFS? Am I correct in my current understanding that if you have any license with MSDN, you get TFS too?

Sam152

From one chat room

Benjol

@Sam152, we can't, they can

Sam152

To another.

I see.

Diago

ACtually I can remember it being tested

But I can't see how it's done :(

It was too late at night for me to follow the convo.

Benjol

yesterday, by Marc Gravell

8 messages moved to The Tavern (General)

Diago

9:45 AM

Yeah. Not sure if it is a moderator or developer function.

Benjol

And :

in The Tavern (General), yesterday, by Marc Gravell

8 messages moved from Chat feedback

Ocaasi

So if no one boots us it must be fine?

Sam152

I think the Tavern should be renamed to the Reedy Hut.

Ocaasi

?

Sam152

Or something punchier.

Ocaasi

9:47 AM

Tavern is pretty universal, i think.

Benjol

@Ocaasi , no, it just means the team are chatting in another room and haven't noticed yet :)

Ocaasi

Yeah, i figured...

Benjol

@Sam152 That post definitely should be in the Tavern :)

Sam152

I'm giving feedback on chat!

Maybe we need a room to discuss which room different conversations should be in.

Or..

meta.chat.meta.stackoverflow.com

Ocaasi

That's a good tactic. Would it be okay to ask a question on chat about why Ubuntu is better than Linux? Would it be okay to ask a question on chat about why programmers are mostly male. I'm not asking, I'm just asking if I can ask.

Sneaky.

Jeff Atwood

9:53 AM

25 messages moved from Chat feedback

Ocaasi

So, this is the tavern...

Benjol

@Ocaasi, yes

Sam152

10:10 AM

Just got sent:

Person:
what is the malicius code on microsoft?

(after clicking a picture of lady gaga)

Benjol

12:02 PM

@waffles, FWIW,

Pierre

62 1

c c++ algorithm computer-science complexity big-o security

Andy E's head

afternoon all.

spoulson

12:17 PM

Howdy

Benjol

12:36 PM

We've really got a problem with this room thing... Chat feedback is really like the kitchen, we just can't help drifting back again... (trying to find out what 'Mom' is cooking)

David L.-Pratte

12:55 PM

0

Q: my account closed in MSO but not in SO

Why is my account - http://meta.stackoverflow.com/users/138194/vgv8 closed in MSo only? IMHO there is more sense of closing account in SO but opening in MSO for clarifications of the reasons of closing PS It is not question, it is comment

feature-request bug comments account-suspension

HoLyVieR

I saw that :/

He's asking for a perma-ban

Nick Craver

they confirmed that's not evan? :)

HoLyVieR

There's a link to vgv8 profile in the question

Nick Craver

right, that's who I mean

Diago

FFS. Do some people never learn?

HoLyVieR

12:59 PM

People learn, but there is exception in life ...

and he's one.

devinb

@Nick it's not Evan's style

Nick Craver

maybe a sibling?

HoLyVieR

it's his twin evil brother

Diago

I have a feeling this is not going to be enough.

devinb

Do you know if the IP bans are on a site by site basis?

HoLyVieR

1:05 PM

Well he's probably on a home Internet connection with dynamic IP

IP ban isn't really effective

Diago

As far as I know they are

Benjol

I think the guy needs pulling into chat - though that didn't seem to work yesterday (I wasn't there, and the room's gone)

devinb

Actually, I think the IP ban is ridiculous in the first place. Maybe it's just my technical ignorance, but I work in an office, and I believe that the IP is the same for everyone on my floor.

@Benjol, and he doesn't have the reputation necessary.

Diago

@devinb It is one of the reason it is not the first option. We can however see how many users access the site from the same ip

Benjol

@devinb, from what I read earlier today, if someone is invited to a room, the rep requirement doesn't apply

Diago

1:07 PM

However, if an IP is banned, everyone on that IP is banned.

Benjol

@Diago, well at least that means you get all the other SO users on the IP to go and give the problem user a good "talking to" :)

devinb

@Diago Yeah, and I work with some jerks. I don't believe they are on SO though (they are far to selfish to share their "incredible technical prowess")

@Benjol Where did you read it?

:100000 Who had the 100000th message?

Diago

@devinb I think it's in the Chat Feedback transcript

HoLyVieR

@devinb Where can you see the id ?

Diago

@HoLyVieR When replying to a message

devinb

1:10 PM

It was Nick's " markdown test "

Benjol

Is it just me, or is the sort order on the search a bit crazy? chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=rep+limit+invited

Nick Craver

woohoo chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/chats/message/100000?offset=-240

Benjol

@devinb Found the reference:

in Chat feedback, 5 hours ago, by Marc Gravell

which requirements? If you explicitly add someone (as read-write) to a room, they can talk even without the 20 rep

devinb

Whoa @marc thought of everything.

Marc Gravell

@benjol 3 sort orders are available

Benjol

1:16 PM

@MarcGravell, oh, yeah, my bad, sorry :(

spoulson

Yay, @JoelSpolsky has arrived.

Joel Spolsky

hello

Diago

@JoelSpolsky Afternoon.

devinb

Gah, shouldn't answer questions early in the morning. End up rambling.

... like I'm doing now.

Sam152

I miss the dulcet tones of Joel Spolsky on the weekly podcast.

devinb

1:25 PM

apparently, I shouldn't chat either.

Joel Spolsky

@sam152 i don't

Benjol

@devinb, as long as you're rambling in here, that's fine ;)

spoulson

The podcast or the tones?

Sam152

@JoelSpolsky How can you say that?!

Joel Spolsky

my quality of life has gone way up since I stopped blogging and podcasting!

Sam152

1:25 PM

The podcast was great ;_;

Diago

I have to agree with @Sam152. I haven't listen to any other podcast since it died

spoulson

I do miss the podcast. Lots of great tech and business insight was shared.

Diago

@JoelSpolsky That's great, now do a podcast about it :)

spoulson

Now I've just moved on to No Agenda podcast.

Joel Spolsky

No Agenda podcast = 15 minutes of talking about people who sent in money, followed by, well, I don't know what it's followed by, I never get that far

Sam152

1:27 PM

I always want to take a drink now, every time I see the excel icon.

Bad SO podcast habit.

devinb

@Sam152 Well if he needs to hear his own voice, it's not all that difficult. He can just call himself on the phone.

Nick Craver

@devinb we have computers, there are easier ways :)

Sam152

Fair enough.

devinb

@NickCraver Like speaking aloud?

Benjol

@JoelSpolsky , you'll want to take it easy on the chat then... ;)

Nick Craver

1:29 PM

well played sir

Diago

Ooh. I just found the button to switch of the annoying chat sounds

Sam152

The huge black speaker icon?

Diago

Users never look in the obvious places

Sam152

You JUST found that?

Diago

Yeah :( My eyes went straight past it to the more rooms button

Shog9

1:30 PM

@Sam152 to be fair, I felt that way before the whole "drinking game" thing

Sam152

@Shog9 You felt getting drunk whenever you saw the excel icon?

That's fair enough actually.

Shog9

beer goggles make Excel into a normal app

Sam152

So @JoelSpolsky, if you aren't blogging or podcasting, what are you doing with your time these days?

Nick Craver

exchanging stacks

Diago

Of money.

Sam152

1:32 PM

With who?

I want to have stacks of money exchanged with me.

Nick Craver

if it's anyone other than you does it matter really? :)

devinb

I don't think he's exchanging the stacks. Merely accepting and arranging.

I'll only be impressed once you have a couch made of money.

Diago

@devinb To match you money coffee table?

Shog9

tastfully-retro money hassock

devinb

I have one of those made of loonies.

Not terribly comfortable.

Sam152

1:42 PM

@NickCraver You have blasted your way up that users page.

You used to just be tipping the first page.

HoLyVieR

2:20 PM

Is it overkill to do answer like this :

Or should I keep it shorter ?

1

A: Object expected error in Internet Explorer

The Problem The "Object expected"/"Object required" error message in Internet Explorer is rather vague, but it's usually triggered when you are trying to access an attribute of an element which is undefined. In your case, the undefined element you are probably trying to access is most probably ...

Michael Mrozek

@HoLyVieR I like it

Nick Craver

@Sam152 sorry was out and out, yeah I had some spare time between release cycles here and there

maybe it's me, I definitely saw this as relevant to web developing:

31

Q: What's the difference between hit "F5" and "Ctrl + F5" in browser?

Is there any Standard for F5 and Ctrl+F5 action in browser? I once did experiment in IE6 and Firefox 2.x. The "F5" will trigger HTTP request sent to server end with "If-Modified-Since" header, while "Ctrl+F5" doesn't have such header. In my understanding, F5 will try to utilize cached content as...

performance http browser cross-browser

devinb

That was DEFINITELY web-developer!!!

Jesus.

Why do super-users CARE what is being sent in the HEADERs?

Nick Craver

2:36 PM

any way to un-migrate a question?

devinb

I created a superuser user, flagged for mod.

Nick Craver

it seems that if a question with a lot of votes takes a lot of votes to delete, the same should apply to migration

Michael Mrozek

@NickCraver I think moderators can, but I've never actually witnessed it

devinb

@NickCraver That's false, migrating should be done in the same manner as closing. Mostly because the people who are voting aren't necessarily a good measure of what's appropriate so much as what's fun.

Nick Craver

true, but highly voted questions can be deleted with many many votes, but can my migrated with just 5

seems a little off

Lance Roberts

2:38 PM

That should never have been flagged for migration. I also flagged both ends of the post for mod.

devinb

@NickCraver Migration is different from deletion. Deletion is saying "this shouldn't have happened at all" Migration is saying "this shouldn't have happened here "

Also, it stripped Dancavallero of the checkmark.

Nick Craver

also true, but the site it belongs on lost a possibly great resource either way, incorrect migrations are the problem area imo

doesn't being highly voted mean at least some portion of the community wanted it there?....i'm saying the reasoning behind the delete vote count changes isn't all that different

devinb

Nah. Community loves poll questions.

Community is fickle.

Nick Craver

agreed, but this wasn't a poll question and it's a prime example :)

devinb

I'm saying that most voters are thinking "is this a good question" and not "is this a good question for stackoverflow "

Lance Roberts

2:43 PM

I agree on the votes to migrate being increasing. @Nick, put a feature request up and I'll upvote it.

Nick Craver

if 3 people vote to migrate and 2 vote it's, well, anything else, what happens?

doesn't it get migrated? even if it's 2 votes and 3 split amongst other reasons?

Shog9

@HoLyVieR I wouldn't worry about shortening it; in fact, you sorta gloss over the explanation of the problem

Why wouldn't you suggest that he check the return value of getElementById for null?

devinb

@NickCraver The plurality is considered the "correct" close reason. If there is a tie, the earliest vote (in one of the tieing categories) is considered the "correct" close reason.

Shog9

@NickCraver It's not lost, Nick. Ask a moderator to undelete it on SO.

Nick Craver

@Shog - I'm aware of that...I'm discussing should migration votes in general high higher vote requirements

Shog9

2:48 PM

No, they shouldn't.

Nick Craver

the community can vote to un-close, they can't vote to un-migrate, so they are special reasons

devinb

@Shog9 Hear Hear!

Shog9

You're looking at the extreme fringe though. The vast bulk of these questions need to be migrated quickly, and making the requirements more stringent hurts that.

Remember what it was like before we could migrate questions?

we just closed them.

No answers.

Hurt feelings.

Bad times.

Nick Craver

true, what if there was the ability to vote to un-migrate then, which took more than 5 votes, so the community could fix it

also those questions largely didn't have the number of votes this does...which goes back to scaling it, not just saying it needs more than 5, only if it's highly voted would it need that

devinb

This is all @Lance's fault for modifying the question.

If he hadn't edited the tags, then this NEVER would have happened.

Shog9

2:51 PM

@NickCraver There's a little twist to that: if a question garners some attention at its destination, then "unmigrating" it ends up deleting valid answers there

devinb

SHAAAAAAAME!

Nick Craver

@Shog - valid point, not sure there's an answer for that one...but what does a mod bringing it back do, leave it in both places?

devinb

@Nick I feel like both myself and shog are eagerly awaiting your feature request so we can tear it to shreds.

Shog9

@devinb Well, you're being facetious, but there's something to that: if he was going to edit it, given that there was some discussion here about whether it belonged, he would have been wise to re-work it a bit to be more obviously web-dev oriented.

devinb

I do so enjoy tearing things to shreds

Shog9

2:52 PM

@NickCraver AFAIK, right now it takes a moderator on both sites to completely unmigrate a question.

devinb

@Shog9 At the time, there wasn't really any discussion. I had just brought it up as a great question that I remembered.

Nick Craver

I don't have the time at the moment, i'm chatting here between compilations :)

Shog9

@devinb LINK!

Nick Craver

@Shog - what's the result of that though? I've never seen an "unmigrated one"

Stefano Borini

here I am, for your pleasure

Nick Craver

2:53 PM

what's what she said?

Stefano Borini

exactly

Shog9

@NickCraver there's a bit of cruft (or there used to be) hanging onto the original, but otherwise nothing interesting - it's just undeleted and unlocked.

Lance Roberts

I thought it was the fault of he who posted it here yesterday.

devinb

20 hours ago, by devinb

30

Q: What's the difference between hit "F5" and "Ctrl + F5" in browser?

Is there any Standard for F5 and Ctrl+F5 action in browser? I once did experiment in IE6 and Firefox 2.x. The "F5" will trigger HTTP request sent to server end with "If-Modified-Since" header, while "Ctrl+F5" doesn't have such header. In my understanding, F5 will try to utilize cached content as...

performance http browser cross-browser

Shog9

the destination(s) are deleted.

Nick Craver

2:54 PM

well in @devinb's defense, he linked it to me :)

Shog9

20 hours ago, by Popular Demand

@devinb Should that be migrated to SU, at this point?

Nick Craver

Chrome 6 has horrendous caching issues atm, had to downgrade yesterday

devinb

The more astute would not that since I'm the one who brought it to Lance's attention, it's basically my fault.

But I would call those people brigands and make vague but insulting references to their mothers.

@Shog9 You're a brigand.

Shog9

@devinb your mother taught you to instigate

devinb

@Shog9 Your mother is older than you are.

Shog9

2:57 PM

FOUND IT!

(where is Diago when you need him...)

9

Q: Allow diamond moderators to reverse question migrations?

It has happened on occasion, due to the high amount of 10K moderators on SO that questions are migrated to the wrong site, and needs to be reversed. Although currently it is possible to re-open the question on the original site and delete the one on the destination site, it still leave the migrat...

feature-request migration so-family reversal

I think that would be an acceptable compromise - keep things in the hands of the moderators to avoid messy bouncing, but make it easier to "undo" migrations when necessary

devinb

I'm a huge fan of the moderators. I like this proposal.

I've given out a precious upvote.

Shog9

More importantly, this avoids the worst-case: an off-topic question is asked, it gets two OT votes and three "belongs on" votes, migrated, migration overturned, OT question is now re-opened on the original site, wasting close votes

Michael Mrozek

@Shog9 :D I love that your worst case scenario is having a post back on the site that you can't close

Shog9

it's just awful, man... the stuff of nightmares!

devinb

you have nightmares about wasted close votes?

Shog9

3:03 PM

no, about open questions

Nick Craver

all of them or just some?

Shog9

they start off as cockroaches, then they grow human heads, and then they chatter incessantly until I wake up

Stefano Borini

Shog9: you must have a passion for splatter/horror movies, I guess.

Michael Mrozek

3:22 PM

This guy is out of control. He was banned on MSO again, so he started posting meta questions on SO instead

devinb

LINK!

I'm excited!

Michael Mrozek

0

Q: incorrect+insulting posts upvoted and correct+humble downvoted - why?

Why insulting, incorrect and off-topic posts are upvoted and correct ones downvoted? For ex., my correct information my account closed in MSO but not in SO is being downvoted while incorrect and insulting answers are being upvoted? One upvoted answer contradicts to my post and is being upvoted...

account-management inconsistency incorrect

Stefano Borini

he is also pretty dumb to continue behaving like this. Ok, you screwed up, just change account and behave in your regained anonymity

Lance Roberts

It's crazy that he keeps posting, but he's right about some of the other posters assuming things they didn't know.

Stefano Borini

ha has time to waste

devinb

3:30 PM

@StefanoBorini That's what Meta's for

@StefanoBorini And chat was created for those who wanted to go above and beyond even that.

Shog9

oh, no... THIS is how you waste time

Nick Craver

that's not how you're supposed to do it?

Stefano Borini

@Sho

@Shog9 I seriously hope it's a joke :)

devinb

@NickCraver Meh, we've all written code like that when we're not paying attention.

Nick Craver

i don't recall doing so, but i'd have blacked it out for sure so maybe

devinb

3:35 PM

Usually it gets written over the course of a few days.

Then you come back two weeks later to fix a bug. and you say. Who wrote this utter crap. I'm going to find him, and kick him off my team.

You call everyone together and say "Guys, this is EXACTLY the kind of crappy code that caused them to bring me in as team lead in the first place. If you don't start shipping better code, I'm going to have to pitch you all out the window"

Of course... that's never happened to me.

Nick Craver

hehe

Shog9

"If you don't start shipping better code, they're gonna make you team lead!"

devinb

Anyway, I don't trust anyone who doesn't make mistakes.

I only trust them once I've seen how they handle their mistakes.

Nick Craver

i'm going back through now wondering why I chose to fade a page out and check for opacity support....rather than fading an element on top of it in the first place, way cheaper

devinb

Except me, of coarse. I don't make misteaks.

Michael Mrozek

3:39 PM

@Shog9 "why would you knowingly leave a duplicate answer around?" YES. It warms my heart when I see somebody post a duplicate answer on a question and delete it a few seconds later

Nick Craver

once SE gets up and going, will there be other migration options you think?

for SO for example the unix site, or the web admin one

devinb

It's going to get REALLY confusing.

Shog9

@MichaelMrozek Yes. But it further chills my already-cold heart to see a user with massive amounts of reputation stand and defend his duplicate answer rather than spending any effort improving it.

devinb

Specifically for the Ubuntu/Linux&Unix sites, and there are a bunch of other ones where the questions could be validly asked in many places.

Shog9

@NickCraver I rather hope not

devinb

3:41 PM

@Shog9 That's how he gained his reputation. G'head and check. Many of them are (unknowing) dupliacates

Shog9

@devinb You talking about SaC? Yeah, he's... often very lazy.

Michael Mrozek

I have a screenshot of this from forever ago:

Shog9

@MichaelMrozek Nice. Though they do manage to distinguish themselves slightly in a superficial way.

devinb

I think most of those are pretty solid answers. Except that guy in the middle. He was WAY off base.

Andy E's head

@devinb I thought this was how he gained his reputation? :p

Michael Mrozek

3:43 PM

@NickCraver I would like to see other migration options, but the current interface isn't going to work if we start letting sites migrate to 20 different targets

Nick Craver

@Andy - I don't think some posters read the entire question, this was from just a bit ago:

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Q: How to get the count of selected values in a dropdown using jQuery.

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Andy E's head

@MichaelMrozek I can see this being an issue if there are a few similar sites, e.g. migrated to Linux, migrated from Linux to Ubuntu, etc.

Shog9

well, there's a lot of overlap: I don't think web dev questions should be mass-migrated from SO, even if they could be asked on a specialized SE.

devinb

@Shog9 That would make SO massively less useful.

I think this splintering is a bad omen.

Nick Craver

totally agree with that one, web DEV questions should stay, web ADMIN questions I'm not sure how they'll handle

Shog9

3:46 PM

i do wonder

devinb

We should have stuck to not-programming-related-at-all websites

Nick Craver

one issue I have with migrations is you've earned enough rep to have a say in "what doesn't belong here"...but you may not have any clue at all as to "what belongs there "

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with these closely-related sites i see that being an issue

Diago

@NickCraver That's been an issue already

Michael Mrozek

@NickCraver Yeah; I used to migrate webapp questions to SU until finally an SU mod yelled at us about it

Diago

Although on a smaller scale

@MichaelMrozek Most likely me :P

Nick Craver

3:51 PM

I thought SU was some acronym for a new trash bin, you mean it's an actual site??

Michael Mrozek

Apparently they like to think so. Crazies

Diago

Lolz

devinb

@NickCraver Don't knock SuperUser. Without it, StackOverflow would be overrun with those... (ugh)... peasants.

Diago

Actually the Top SU user is an SO peasant :P

devinb

@Diago Hush, I don't need your facts interfering with my witch hunt.

Diago

3:55 PM

Hunt away. Hunt away. I have my magic wand

devinb

@NickCraver you suggest that migration powers only be given to those with 3k on both sites?

Gnoupi

@Michael - I'm probably the yelling one. I probably even yelled at migrating people before even being a mod

devinb

... innnnteresting.

Diago

@Gnoupi Apparently we are....... peasants?

:)

Gnoupi

@devinb oh, no more migration to SU, then?

Nick Craver

3:57 PM

I think that'd leave a very small population who could migrate, but maybe at least 200+ or something on the other site

devinb

@Diago Nonsense, you're those guys that monitor the peasants.

Diago

@devinb More like babysit

devinb

@Diago Exactly.

@NickCraver That's exactly the problem.

Diago

Moderating MSO is a baby sitting exercise. You sit and wait for the sh*t to hit the fan. Because it will.

ChrisF

@devinb This was brought up on MSF (indirectly) meta.serverfault.com/questions/634/…

Lance Roberts

3:59 PM

Wow @Diago, you're really hitting the delete button hard today.

devinb

@NickCraver Also, it would encourage fewer correct migrations, because users would just be voting to close instead of migrate

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