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Ajay

00:14

Hello :)

I would like to know how the stack overflow live chat system work. Is there any post or website I can visit to learn more?

Conrado

Hi

@Ajay Do you mean politically or technically?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack If its who I think it is, I decided it was important enough to deal with despite striking

@Conrado FYI, you were interacting with a known troll. Anyone with that username, flag and avoid :D

Elements in Space

@Ajay Is this what you are looking for? chat.stackexchange.com/faq

Conrado

@JourneymanGeek Yes, sorry for my slowness on the uptake! I read the chat transcript afterwards, and am better informed now.

I'm a changed man.

Ajay

00:38

@Conrado Technically

@ElementsinSpace No.

I want to know how stack overflow developed their live chat system. What software did they use? etc

Journeyman Geek

@Ajay completely written from scratch

Ajay

@JourneymanGeek Can I find that code somewhere?

Journeyman Geek

so WISC stack, + websockets

@Ajay not open source

Ajay

Oh

Is there an API for it?

Journeyman Geek

Nope

Ajay

00:42

damn

Journeyman Geek

there's a few libraries for it, but no formal API

Ajay

Where can I find the libraries?

Journeyman Geek

It almost happened, and we asked but the company kinda decided chat wasn't as important as other things at some point

uhhhhh

gimme a moment I can't remember :D

github.com/SOBotics I THINK this is a good place to start

starball

01:44

@Ajay corecursive.com/stack-overflow/#so-chat

Ajay

03:37

Thanks for the link, i'll have a look.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

05:55

@JourneymanGeek cheers!

M.A.R.

06:41

Any updates on the negotiations?

I'm too lazy to open a meta tab. Or Discord. Or do anything besides chatting.

Why do anything about it when you can do my work for me

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. it's a holiday in USAia

So no

M.A.R.

08:13

@JourneymanGeek you got a little carried away with the vowels there

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek it's always holiday of some sort. It's like SE devs always busy with urgent projects, hence not fixing bugs.

M.A.R.

I'm urgently drowsy and it's noon

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

> Juneteenth is an annual observance on June 19 to remember when Union soldiers enforced the Emancipation Proclamation and freed all remaining slaves in Texas on June 19, 1865. This day is an opportunity for people to celebrate freedom and equal rights in the United States.

M.A.R.

I have the weirdest sleep habits of this chat right now

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

So tomorrow it will be Junetwenteeth.

@M.A.R. USA International Arena

@M.A.R. blame me! ;)

M.A.R.

08:17

Freed all the slaves then entrapped them in so much legislation that even today they haven't recovered

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. right on spot. ;)

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack don't give yourself too much credit

As far as I know you haven't ping attacked me in Den

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack like ChatGPT integration....

@M.A.R. ping

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. I ping attacked your dreams.

M.A.R.

Which means you've failed even worse if you have ping-attacked me

@JourneymanGeek chat ping on meta.SE is too . . . space-themed anyway. The pong on SE chat is way more awesome for ping attacks.

Pong. Then PONG

Superfun during class

@Conrado Easy for him to say

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

08:22

@JourneymanGeek yep and they had something before, and after, all urgent, top priority, must finish ASAP, all will fall apart if it's not done in one day.

M.A.R.

I would also love to have a mountain of gold and then be a hypocrite and say "oh I value friendship and song and blah blah"

Peter Kolosov

@rene come... please

M.A.R.

Well the meta.SE main page is slowly becoming unusable with everyone's diary scribbles about Facebook statuses and spam seeding

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. Well something's gotta give

M.A.R.

I wonder what SO looks like right now. Probably not much different heheh. Awash in crap as usual.

Journeyman Geek

08:28

I hear flags in the thousands

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@PeterKolosov it doesn't ping him.

Peter Kolosov

>:(

M.A.R.

@PeterKolosov that was random

Peter Kolosov

Last way to call @rene is rene's Discord...

M.A.R.

Why do you need to call Rene

Peter Kolosov

08:30

because Kenny is died

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. was worse yesterday, big troll stopped by and fought poor @Rand. It was valiant fight. Weapon of the troll: rabbit. D:

Peter Kolosov

last Kenny message is

in Shadow's Den, yesterday, by KennyBOT

~ The Magician and the Human Pump

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack rabbit drawings?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@PeterKolosov I'm no pump! Good thing he's dead. :P

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I saw the rabbit. meh

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

08:31

@JourneymanGeek sure, there are worse.

M.A.R.

Literally a rabbit?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. hentai...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack And better

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek depends which side you take. ;)

Peter Kolosov

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack And you're not magician ;)

M.A.R.

08:31

I mean I saw the troll post, not the fun stuff obviously. Or I wasn't paying attention

It was just the one troll I mean.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. they posted bunch of rabbits, then played it innocent.

@PeterKolosov wizard, close enough! :D

M.A.R.

@PeterKolosov oh. I thought it was because of chat's current lack of Dutch humor. And I thought I can do Dutch humor, we don't need the Dutch for that.

So ahem clears voice coffee in the morning or I won't function. Zondag met lubach.

I'm mean and it's funny because I'm sarcastic. Stroopwafels

There was also this chat. Sock-VR or something like that. Wonder what those guys are up to. Steaming about the current situation right very now probably.

Peter Kolosov

@M.A.R. didn't understand

too difficult to understand for me

M.A.R.

@PeterKolosov Don't worry about it. Not everything I type is worth reading.

Sometimes it's just there. Like the immutable laws of physics

Peter Kolosov

you blew up my brain

M.A.R.

08:41

This is why guns need to be regulated

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. I think it's closed. Not sure.

M.A.R.

What? Why

Aha, deliberately closed

The situation is not apocalyptic enough for it to freeze out of neglect

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. yeah if most actives there are on a strike, it makes sense, less temptation to break the strike. ;)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

11:55

Failed spam seed attempt?

haha undeleted, maybe spammer thought deleting will clear downvotes. lol

4b0

Now a days who care for spam beside active mod :D

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@4b0 one single active mod, yeah.

But many ordinary users are still active and flagging, so even now spam is nuked fast.

4b0

I know that but it's sad news, still strike is ongoing and no hope for us who support strike.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@4b0 strike isn't helping anyway, SE will never really budge.

4b0

12:11

so just curious no budge mean all mod who support strike de moderate, some site have no mod at the moment

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@4b0 yeah many are going to totally retire, I expect. SE will just run new elections, and there will be new mods.

Downfall of SE might come only when quality drops to 0, which will take time. But heck, they're on the sure path leading there.

4b0

ops sad news, I don't expect that all. site which I follow almost decade treat like that. So sad 😔

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@Tink isn't that elevator an obvious spam seed?

Tinkeringbell

Not sure... deleted is deleted anyways :)

They can't undelete it again now

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@Tinkeringbell Yeah, saw. That's why I asked. ;)

@4b0 no doubt. And amazing how similar it is to what Israel is going through these days, maybe USA as well.

People are just... divided.

Each person choose a side, stick to it, and declare the other side "traitors".

4b0

12:20

You still budge active mod so I think you still love site but also support strike 👍

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack so you think smoky is down forever. Mod and supporter who help maintain regex is support strike

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@4b0 yeah, I'm kind of "dancing in two weddings" as a phrase here says. lol

@4b0 it's too important, so no, even if the current operators will retire for good, they are decent enough to hand it over to others before going away.

4b0

I know that they are decent, open source project, you think it's maintain same as previous.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@4b0 no, but it's in a good state already.

4b0

who care for regex like maken, tripleee and others

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

rene

4b0

12:32

smoky alws need regex updatw

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@4b0 yeah, well, so it will take longer and be of lower quality, but would still work. ;)

4b0

I respect rene but I think he is on strike, whitout his support it's impossible to close SOCVR

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@4b0 yes his strike is just not visiting SE at all, he's active in Discord.

You can't close a chat room, only mod can freeze.

Or you mean the project?

4b0

RO

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@4b0 can't freeze.

Though can change to Gallery, then only RO's can chat.

4b0

12:38

yep I know that, thanks for remind

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

My pleasure. ;)

hahaha, forgot who you are. Well, saw it now. :D

Come to Den, some old time users there, and new.

Peter Kolosov

13:18

Proposal: Diamond badges for Stack Exchange!

For some very complex things, such as +1000/-0 answers.

Asking in chat because it is just very new thoughts

Journeyman Geek

Diamonds have a specific meaning :D

Peter Kolosov

@JourneymanGeek yeah. but let's talk about badges, or you can suggest another type for badge, e.g. ruby ;)

Journeyman Geek

Well, could go platinum

buuuut badges need to be achivable

there's a reason 100k and 250k was physical swag

Peter Kolosov

13:37

@JourneymanGeek well if remove the requirement of -0 (no downvotes), it can be much easier to achieve. ;)

Journeyman Geek

there's very few +1000 posts :D

Peter Kolosov

@JourneymanGeek what reason?

@JourneymanGeek So the badge need to be platinum for this few people. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@PeterKolosov its incedibly hard and the swag was a long term, physical reminder of the achievement

of course later they decided it was too much trouble and cost too much cause... of course they did

@PeterKolosov the other thing is what behaviour does the badge reinforce?

1000+ means popularity, rather than any real obvious merit on its own

Peter Kolosov

@JourneymanGeek searching for good, popular questions, the answer should be well-received, and it's a stimulus to write more answers.

Journeyman Geek

Past a certain point its luck, virality or fame

M.A.R.

13:50

@4b0 how come? Have you heard or seen anything that would indicate the strike is definitely pointless?

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I would caution against making patterns out of everything, especially if it's gonna ruin the mood.

@PeterKolosov I think we need to have at least platinum, plutonium, graphene, and magical oakwood badges before moving on to diamond

Jokes aside, we have enough people whining that old timers have hoarded a ton of rep and are disrupting the SO economy, as if this is supposed to be some real time strategy game.

@JourneymanGeek I dunno what the heck "virality of fame" is but don't lose hope; antiviral drugs have come a long way

Peter Kolosov

14:12

@M.A.R. 1 - agree

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

14:30

@M.A.R. you forgot obsidian

curious

14:58

Searching the chat transcript seems to fail for me when the text I'm searching for includes an apostrophe (copy pasting a sentence, literally!)... can anyone repro?

Kevin B

yes

escape it

Andreas detests AI hype

Are you saying the search is bad? How dare you insult the SE style?!

Kevin B

no, it works just fine

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=%F0%9F%9A%BD&room=89

Andreas detests AI hype

15:16

You must have a lot of constipation.

Either that, or chronic diarrhea.

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek same reason as every site having the same numbers as SO? -_-

Yes, still waiting for 13 more questions since someone though that 100 questions for a tag badge was a good requirement for any site....

Journeyman Geek

15:41

@AndreasdetestsAIhype yes

@KevinB sometimes there's no escape

curious

@KevinB lol! thanks

Kevin B

i always find it odd when i look at a transcript from 7-8 years ago and still see skyrim references, that game is so old yet still so good

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

17:22

@curious duh.

12

Q: Search for terms containing special characters in chat returns garbage

I did a search for A$, but a whole bunch of results containing "Å", "A's" and "as" were return, could not find one containing "A$": https://chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=A%24&page=1&pagesize=50&sort=newest Same thing for other special characters such as "#".

curious

17:42

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Thanks! I looked for something related to quotes but didn't manage to find this one... low-priority in 2013... I won't even entertain the idea of bringing it up on MSE

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

18:01

@curious it is already on MSE. ;)

But yeah, this one won't get fixed.

@KevinB it's the equivalent of Friends in computer games. ;)

@JourneymanGeek \escape

Here.

:P

Kevin B

i first played it shortly after buying a gtx 660... whenever that was. it came with assassins creed and a game controller, and suddenly i was introduced to single player rpg's and had to have them all

never did get the older versions of elder scrolls tho, oblivion/morrowind. I tried the older fallout games first and found them... not interesting compared to FO4, so i didn't even try morrowind/oblivion

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

For me oblivion yes, morrowind no.

Skyrim yes yes yes, plus nice amount of rep on arqade as a bonus. :D

Just had lots to ask...

Kevin B

i poked around on arqade a few times... never really felt like it was a place i wanted to interact

i've always had some other non-stack place to chat about the games i play

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

My favorite is the question about how/why I died suddenly, just fell dead without any apparent reason.

Kevin B

given i'd been playing wow since it was released, i always had my current wow guild to hang with

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

18:10

@KevinB well I used it "for real" for few games, and found a worthy question I could answer sometimes.

Kevin B

kinda weird now, not being part of wow anymore, and not really having a group like that anymore to just hang with in the same way

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@KevinB why did you quit?

Kevin B

i wanted to be able to enjoy playing other games, primarily

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

huh. But you can always go back.... can't you?

Kevin B

but also i felt like my skill in wow was diminishing, i was making mistakes i never used to and couldn't shake free of them

which... made it difficult to remain a part of said guilds, ;)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

18:12

@KevinB is it like those games you must keep spending lots of money to stay ahead and be able to actually do anything?

Kevin B

money, no

time

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

hmm

@M.A.R. has lots of time.

Kevin B

it had a monthly sub, $15, but it wasn't buying player power, etc

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Maybe he can play WoW and become op.

@KevinB I play Castle Clash, people there spend thousands per month. And still lose to freebies. lol

Kevin B

it's like my finger accuracy declined rapidly over 2 years

key accuracy, etc

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

18:14

@KevinB what are you required to do with your finger?! hmm

@KevinB oh lol

Kevin B

i mean, it's a keyboard/mouse game

with like 30 keybinds

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Yeah, been years since I played on PC, switched to PS.

Controller is pretty good, easy to, well, control. ;)

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack looks at the heap of work on desk

looks back

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. pffft. Priorities, dude.

M.A.R.

Ah what the hell. starts skyrim

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

18:15

nooooo

WoW

Kevin B

but now i can just play whateve game i want whenever, it's nice being "free" of wow

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Wishes of Watermelons?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@KevinB yeah, I also retired from top guilds in Castle Clash, but keep playing just for fun, with my own guilds.

And six accounts. :D

M.A.R.

War of Worms?

World of War . . . mongers?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. close, but no cigar.

Kevin B

18:17

somethin like that

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

WoW = Wish of William

M.A.R.

Sure, WoW is cool and all, but can you use a modded version of the Telekinesis spell to launch a kid into space?

That's what I thought.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. only if he's above 10 years old.

curious

I played Morrowind and Oblivion and Skyrim, loved them all! I can't remember in which, there was this exploit where you fortified your intelligence over and over and then made some crazy potions. I had to leave my computer on for days so that my character would eventually stop levitating :P

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

18:33

@curious probably Morrowind, don't remember something that in Oblivion.

Kevin B

def not skyrim, but you can do similar things with the three crafting skills there too, so

pack i'm playing got rid of that "feature"

Random Person

20:47

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack 👍🏽

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yeah...

Feeds

21:08

Of course, I sort all my bookshelves the normal way, alphabetically (by first sentence).

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