spammer on a spree, they posted one apparently legit post 12 minutes ago but now they started spewing irrelevant links to their own site (see profile) ^
@tripleee some people take long vacation, even a full month, so won't be surprised if we'll see them again only in late January. But one thing for sure, they totally deserve it! :D
Hopefully it's not a sabbatical though.
Full year without our dear spam hunter would be devastating.
@tripleee I totally disagree with Cody. Spammers must be nuked, period.
Nothing to discuss.
He can do whatever he wants, even upvote the spammers, I don't care. But he does not set any policy, luckily.
@starball sadly I don't remember who can add you, think nobody that is pingable here. You can try asking in the main chat of Smokey.
@Journeyman when you're bored or hungry, spammer you can munch at, he spammed other site and will likely do the same here at some point.
IMO such obvious spam profile can be safely nuked from orbit.
@tripleee room rules? Why would giving someone the privilege to give feedback to smokey in the Tavern require a room rule? I would say it would require a Charcoal-leadership rule ;)
Lots to read, but essentially it's just two main commands, "k", and "f". "k" confirms it's spam and adding the spammer to blacklist, "f" is the opposite.
Oh, and "why" is important as well if you're not sure about a post.
Something that is not used much but can save you a click is using the "sd" command, e.g. sd k like I did above means mark the latest Smokey message as "k", assuming it's a report. @star
@Tinkeringbell no worries, some rooms have rules against interacting with bots ... I guess we should document those requirements better within Charcoal so I don't have to ask
Oh, okay. Well, there are already users in here interacting with the bot, and I know where to find you or anyone else that can revoke privileges if the playing with the bot gets out of hand and the room is full of coffees ;)
@Shadow-of-the-Shadow's-Shadow ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
@ShadowWizardChasingStars not really, the bot itself requires no particular privileges, but it will refuse many actions if you don't have a metasmoke account with some particular bits set
@starball think that didn't ping, but not sure. Pings do ignore punctuation after the name, but when it's more than one letter/character, not sure about it.
@Tinkeringbell ohh, no no, it's never too late when the one saying that has good reason for not being here in the new year itself! So @Ele is fine, I give validity stamp.
@Tink I've read that fireworks were allowed again, and it resulted in two civilian casualties plus dozens of policemen and fire fighters injured after hooligans shot at them on purpose.
@ShadowWizardChasingStars Illegal fireworks have been a problem ever since I was a kid. And the past two years all of it was 'verboten' and there were the same problems.
Consumer fireworks are... tricky. A lot of people blame them for e.g. violence against police/ambulance/fire services, but the violence is coming from someplace else, the fireworks are just 'used'. If there aren't any fireworks, such hooligans are just as happy using pavement tiles or burning pieces of wood.
Then there's the 'innocent bystanders get hurt' argument, but so far I've yet to hear a story of one of those where everything was done right, but they still got very seriously hurt. So, fireworks glasses, no synthetic clothes, no hoods, safe distance, no illegal fireworks or weird self-built contraptions, that kind of stuff.
@Tinkeringbell true, it's like rifles in the USA, used by lunatics to kill people for fun. But still, when you can put obstacle in front of those lunatics, better do it.
@ShadowWizardChasingStars Problem is... banning fireworks doesn't put an obstacle in front of them, as the kind of fireworks they are using are already banned ;)
The biggest problems IMO is a.) biggest dick contests between neighbors/friends, leading to record sales each year, meaning more fireworks = more noise for longer times which is starting to annoy people and b.) absolutely ridiculously low levels of enforcement of the rules, including the times at which fireworks are allowed to be lit (only between 6PM Dec. 31st and 2 AM Jan 1st), but also massive amounts of illegal fireworks being very easy to get because the cops don't do anything against it.
@ShadowWizardChasingStars There were still fireworks, there were still casualties, and there was still a lot of violence against services. The numbers are skewed because of the way things are registered: A burn caused by a bonfire isn't one caused by fireworks, so you don't count as a 'fireworks' casualty ;)
I do agree there's also a human behavior part in all of this, that's causing some problems. But you don't solve that by banning fireworks, like I said the behavior will still be there if not corrected. These guys will just start building bonfires, either too big or in inappropriate places, then start being hooligans when the fire brigade comes to put those out.
@ShadowWizardChasingStars Exactly, but that kind of enforcement is missing.
Back when I was a kid, you wouldn't want to be sent to HALT (Dutch thing for misbehaving kids) because you were caught lighting fireworks at illegal times, or having illegal fireworks. Nowadays, I doubt kids even know HALT still exists.
@Tinkeringbell same here, and so much worse. That's a key reason for the government we have now. One of their promises is to do exactly that, enforce laws better.
@ShadowWizardChasingStars It's basically a governmental organisation that gives short punishments to kids for 'petty' crimes, ranging from being a nuisance with fireworks to shoplifting.
The kids are sent to do something that 'benefits' society, like picking up litter, or try to just educate them.
It's the kind of things you see only in movies. (For kids, ending happily ever after.)
We do have something like that for adults here, given to killers and rapists instead of sending them to jail, because jail is full. Obviously, that doesn't help making them better and they keep doing what they know to do. lol
@JourneymanGeek Talk to a vegan, and they would want the government to ban the sales of meat (a nanny thing) but there will be other things they wouldn't want to be nannied on, like banning soy or palm oil ;)
On the other hand, I've seen enough news articles of murderers being put in a mandatory mental health trajectory, then escaping during supervised reintegration time AND doing more crime/murder, that I think that locking up is indeed the safest thing.
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I don't think I can live with death penalties either. But it's also really grating to see criminals escape because law requires reintegration and then do more crime.
And cops saying 'well, we can't do anything about this, if only she hadn't just squirted shampoo over the fence to try and poison the rabbit, but had thrown the bottle as well, then we could've gotten for littering' like WTF
@ShadowWizardChasingStars Oh yeah, I've seen that on TV as well a few times, illegal garbage dumps where people end up being found because they left a name/address on something in the garbage.
@JourneymanGeek Then you get illegal firepits and smoke with god knows what kind of poisons, because they don't just burn clean cardboard but also other crap like plastic. And no cops to enforce environmental laws.
We called the cops on the neighbor a few times, he was using a firepit to burn away plastic around copper wires, leaving only the copper for scrap metal. The chemical fumes were always hanging in our backyard... but no cop ever came, they just 'made note of the nuisance'.
Cops over here suck in a not-shooting-anyone-but-also-not-doing-anything-else way.
Some of them look kinda cute and are good at saying 'uhuh', but that's about it.
Not really. We toyed with the idea of calling the fire brigade at one time, just saying there was a lot of smoke and it didn't smell of a wood fire, but ...
Never did.
Don't know why, I think my parents went kinda numb after a while and focused more on just getting the municipality to enforce less dogs than to actually get the criminal behavior handled too.
Well, it's stealing if it's forbidden by law, otherwise it's just taking something ;) Not all stealing is legally punished, but it doesn't make it less stealing for me
@ShadowWizardChasingStars Well there's no need to give it another name. If it's against the law, you can disagree with the law but that doesn't suddenly make any lawbreaking lawful
@DavidPostill I think then there will still be Dutch people complaining that so many people get hurt during New Year's Eve :P
