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bobble

00:39

@Someone_who_likes_SE when Smokey posted it was an answer; a mod must have converted to comment

Journeyman Geek

00:52

or it was automatically done so for being too short

forest distrusts StackExchange

Answers can automatically be turned into comments?

Journeyman Geek

uh

yes

forest distrusts StackExchange

I always thought a mod manually had to do that.

Journeyman Geek

131

Q: Answer appears automatically converted as a comment

I posted an answer (pointing to another question already asked) but when I hit submit, I saw my answer appear as a comment to the question instead. I tried it a couple of times and still the same result. The answer gets eaten up and is transformed into a comment. Is this a bug?

bug status-bydesign convert-to-comment link-only-answers answers-as-comments

forest distrusts StackExchange

Does that only apply on SO? I've never seen it happen on an SE site.

Journeyman Geek

00:55

Its happened to me before so... no

forest distrusts StackExchange

Huh. I've posted very short answers and never had that happen.

Maybe my answers just weren't short enough.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@forestdistrustsStackExchange It's network-wide.

@forestdistrustsStackExchange They must contain an internal link to another post on the site to be converted.

forest distrusts StackExchange

ah

Rob

01:12

@forestdistrustsStackExchange It's almost instant, so Smokey would have had to have pulled a fraction of a second after it was posted for Smokey to have thought it was an answer when in fact it was automatically converted; otherwise it was manually converted some time later.

forest distrusts StackExchange

01:28

nitter.kavin.rocks/spendergrsec/status/1407348736754438153#m

heh

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bobble

03:45

@JourneymanGeek I saw the answer be an answer, so it wasn't automatic, since the conversion would happen instantaneously

Feeds

04:02

The problem with learning about biology is that everyone you meet is it.

Feeds

04:44

stackoverflow.blog/2021/06/29/…

Meta Andrew T.

05:26

@Feeds How onebox on chat has devolved

rene

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Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/21871745/anjali-gusain

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

06:17

@Wolf OK, next! Do you know Tech Expert?

Luuklag

06:47

What is up with SE staff today. Suddenly deciding to announce things only the day before they are intended to happen...

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 you part of the inquisition now?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag I'm walking on eggs

@Luuklag well if the endpoint isn't public it's OK, nobody will be affected. (Except the app users of course.)

Luuklag

@SmokeDetector k

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 True, but also the maintenance

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Luuklag oh didn't notice that one

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag yeah... That's an annoying habit...

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag As for the app and your answer there... I think meta.stackexchange.com/questions/366936/… that comment may answer it a little? It seems weird to me that any stackapp would use an endpoint that's not publicly documented/part of the network api?

Journeyman Geek

06:57

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 most of the app users seem worried about notifications

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

But usually they announce maintenance month ahead.

Journeyman Geek

😁

Tinkeringbell

(Note that I know next to nothing about endpoints and api's XD)

Journeyman Geek

Also it's kinda the bit of the app that pulls stuff up per user

@Tinkeringbell lol... I have the vaguest idea but I am not a dev 😁

Luuklag

Since we are all guessing, lets wait till the US wakes up and posts an answer ;)

Journeyman Geek

06:59

@Luuklag naw it's pretty clear what's going

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell think of the server as pool of water. API would be a pipe that leads water from the pool outside. Endpoint would be the tap, which can be open for everyone to use, or locked and can be used only by authorized people.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Okay, it didn't need that much dumbing down :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:D

To be honest, I know nearly nothing about the API that SE has, didn't have chance to delve into it or use it.

Tinkeringbell

Same here ;) Never needed to understand it to use the sites :P

rene

It is a one-trick pony: asp.net MVC all-in.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

07:02

@rene huh? You can consume API with any language.

Tinkeringbell

@rene Isn't that just good programming though? Code that does all kinds of things except the right thing isn't great :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Using my previous example, the language used to consume the API is the brand of the tap. It doesn't really matter as long as it works. ;)

tripleee

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 I guess he is trying to characterize the API itself

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Still at a loss, lol.

Luuklag

07:14

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/22080305/…

Journeyman Geek

07:26

api.stackexchange.com/docs

It's actually pretty nicely documented... If you can code 😁

Wolf

07:48

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 not really but seen him in some chat rooms

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

08:02

@Wolf nice

@Wolf so, where are you from?

Luuklag

08:15

@SmokeDetector k

@SmokeDetector k

spamnuke plz: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/366961/…

rene

08:47

@SmokeDetector looks legit to me

Luuklag

@SmokeDetector f

@SmokeDetector k

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@SmokeDetector k

Just not another k

We're not racist.

:D

Luuklag

09:14

@SmokeDetector k

rene

10:13

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Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 L

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek XL

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

10:50

@JourneymanGeek kkl? Sounds familiar.. let me see....

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 error, off by one

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael

kkl-jnf.org

:D

@Luuklag how so?

your k, then my k, then @Journeyman's L

ohhhh

You put another one!!

So you're right, three k's become X.

XL. Now where is @M.A.R. when you need him....

:P

Wolf

11:10

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 i am from nigeria

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Wolf Nice! Hot place.

(Literally, sadly)

@Wolf you like living there?

Luuklag

@SmokeDetector k

M.A.R.

11:36

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Fear not, citizen! I am here to save the day!

Superman theme

Wait no that's Indiana Jones theme

Tinkeringbell

What about the night? Why does no one ever save the night?! Don't nights have rights too?!

Rob

@M.A.R. the Mighty: "Here I come to save the day!"

Wolf

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 it's very hot but sometimes cold and no snow

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

11:54

@Wolf yeah it sucks. I mean, if it's cold why not getting some cool snow and have fun?!

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 A whole lot of 'Elfstedentocht' fans would disagree with you here: Less snow makes the ice to skate on grow faster.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell "less". But I talk about case of 0 snow. :)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 That's the least amount of snow you can have, so it's 'less' than any amount of snow :P

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

In Israel snow is very rare, for those not living in Jerusalem or the far North

@M.A.R. good! @Luuklag wants XL

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 It's not that common here either.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

12:10

@Tinkeringbell really? Always thought Europe get tons of snow all year. :D

Tinkeringbell

12:21

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 We can go years without, and if we do get some, usually it doesn't last long/isn't a thick layer.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Tinkeringbell oh, sorry to hear!

Journeyman Geek

12:33

@Tinkeringbell Batman owns it. HE IS THE NIGHT

Wolf

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 there is zero snow in my country

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Yeah. If I could I would move to a country with more snow :D

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@Wolf :(

@Tinkeringbell :)

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Wait, now the night is owned? That's slavery, now it needs saving even more!

Journeyman Geek

He's Batman

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

12:39

Master of Light can fix that

Journeyman Geek

Then there's the Shadow. He knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men...

But not where Tim's keys are

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:D

Shree

13:17

Private Team account is deleted for low activity? Is there any way to get it back like, chat room is is freeze due to low activity, but the moderator has the power to unfreeze it .........

Spevacus

@Shree If your Team has already been deleted due to inactivity, then you're not going to be able to recover it (or so the public-facing messages say). If it's just slated to be deleted, any activity will stop the deletion.

Shree

Ahha thanks. I post random useless post and now I am safe.

Spevacus

Nice :)

Shree

Thinking about bot who randomly edit team question and Team is alive forever. :)

Luuklag

13:38

haha, nice 123 bronze badges :)

Wolf

14:20

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 :(

Luuklag

test

Meta Andrew T.

test received

Luuklag

So not down

Catija

It was definitely down.

Meta Andrew T.

Seems websocket is still dead on main sites

Catija

14:27

Yeah, I'm not seeing live updates for anything.

Luuklag

@Catija Hmmm would explain why chat was so quiet

Meta Andrew T.

@Luuklag you were late to the party :p

Catija

Chat had been quiet for an hour. Chat only went down for about 12 minutes.

Luuklag

@Catija Major outage xD

Kevin B

🚽

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

14:37

Maybe practice of down time before the actual outage tomorrow?

1 hour later…

Rocket Nikita

15:58

hehe

stackechange.com

looks like it's for sale

curious

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Meta Andrew T.

stackoverfiow.com is (unfortunately) also for sale now...

Rocket Nikita

haha

Yes!

I knew it existed!

catoverflow.com

haha

curious

16:16

oh no. I'm about to lose a good chunk of my lunch time

clickable cats too

Rocket Nikita

@cur sackoverflow.com

lmao

Tinkeringbell

@curious Just lunch? Remarkable amount of self-control there :D

curious

@Tinkeringbell Just being wildly optimistic :)

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha that sounds more like it :D

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rene

17:53

UX bug: i.sstatic.net/jdljo.png very important ...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

?

ohh the bug is too much rep

Ask to reduce it

:P

grabs @Rocket

Luuklag

18:11

@rene muzt fixz todayZ

rene

I think I'm going to ask for the z-index to be fixed so that inbox red thingy is on top of the achievement thingy

Rocket Nikita

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 let me out

By the way

@Sha get the evening SLAP

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

@RocketNikita Super Legacy Angular Project? Awesome, thanks!

Rob

18:34

@rene rene's reputation overshadows everything else.

3

Rocket Nikita

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 What?

Luuklag

@RocketNikita S L A P

2

user

@rene How did that happen? Did you just keep from checking your rep for a very, very long time?

Spevacus

rene refuses to click his achievements menu so as to amass as large a number as possible.

Legend has it that if he accidentally clicks it early, he'll un-blur his profile picture.

user

18:52

lol

Rob

Wolf

19:38

Cool

bobble

20:03

all the text questions are gone now, I think that means this is supposed to get an answer reflecting that?

Glorfindel

20:25

@bobble yes, or wait 24 hours until the daily script actually deletes the tag.

@rene is that 'for reals' or can you really resist clicking the Achievements Inbox? If so, you need to teach me how.

Kevin B

adblock would work pretty effectively at preventing such clicks

Glorfindel

Yeah, I thought about userscripts to disable that link as well.

Kevin B

i have one for the review queue button

rene

20:43

@Glorfindel yes. I never click it.

Spevacus

20:56

The highest mine got was ~800 before I accidentally clicked it when I was aiming for the review queues dropdown. I was a little bit sad.

Now I just click it every time I see a change.

bobble

21:29

Should this be closed as no-repro? Or tagged as [status-completed]?

bobble

21:42

I think this is fixed now?

Spevacus

21:54

@bobble Probably the latter. From my understanding, the no-repro close reason is designed for issues that resolve themselves, can truly not be reproduced, or are made obsolete due to overarching changes to the network (not fixed directly).

If you have not flagged for such a mod tag, I urge you to do so. The appointed moderators here typically leave most retaggings to status-completed for staff to handle unless it's very blatantly obviously been fixed. Devs will sometimes catch up on the backlog of such flags.

@bobble Not sure. Meta SE's closed-questions help center article's shows the off-topic close reason as not being related to programming, so it doesn't look fixed to me unless I'm missing something.

bobble

It's consistent between SO and here, though. I think? On a quick glance

Rob

Yes that was quick, the Q is: "The Help Center page on “closed questions” on sites other than Stack Overflow contains the old descriptions of the close reasons" - so the complaint is that every site (175+) except SO has an incorrect Help Center webpage - it's a lot of work to check, without an automated system; and means to allow for exceptions.

bobble

I meant that the sections I checked for Meta SE and Puzzling looked the same as SO, and the impression I got from the Q was that all other sites were broken in the same way so I didn't see a need to check more.

Rob

22:15

Each site can edit their Help, as mentioned in the comment; that breaks them from propagating updates.

bobble

But at least for sites it's propagating to, it seems to be fixed (assuming that the sites I checked didn't both special-case themselves)

Rob

22:31

So, what I typed stands.

bobble

I don't understand what you're trying to communicate.

Rob

22:52

14

A: Should we update/clarify our help center with respect to other sites and teams?

I think updating the help center is a good start but I would also like to recommend that we overhaul the entire process - the close reason wording isn't bad but when we improved the close UI and the post notices, we added the ability to customize the text based on who sees it, which means that a ...

Journeyman Geek

23:41

@Rob yeah I've been meaning to kick that off but I've kinda forgotten/not had the energy to

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