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Rob

00:39

Awww, it's locked; but I feel we dodged a bullet, as it's premise is probably best brought up on MSE.

There are a lot of good back and forths, ones even better than this, but I like it:

Eh... Hate to be so contrarian, @Cerb - but I'm pretty sure my posts have received more downvotes in total than the combined total of those from the other folks in this discussion... And my ego is HUGE! — Shog9 Feb 26 at 22:29

rene

06:58

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@JNat cross-site spammer : stackexchange.com/users/19174036/steven-jones (not linking to a site, just promoting the same product)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@rene spam comment got upvote... @JourneymanGeek can you detect sock accounts for this spammer?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

07:28

@Tinkeringbell he could watch it on a phone in his bed, this way harder to catch...

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Hahaha. Sending a two year old to bed witha phone sounds like a bad idea.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell two?! Oh lol didn't get it.

Well my 8 y/o wakes up early on purpose to get more "phone time", but not 3 AM.... most early he's allowed is 5 AM, but usually he's waking up around 6.

TV in our house is right next to our (parents) bedroom so we can easily hear if one of the kids try to use it at night. ;)

@Tink is this your Covidiot brother?

Tinkeringbell

07:59

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Yeah, he was cuter when he was young.

Luuklag

08:16

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating no my son ;)

he started saying picka picka chuuu lately, and I honestly don't know where he got that from

Ryan M

@rene hmmm, it looks like Smokey neither reported this post nor spat out an error...looks like you managed to report it mid-reboot.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell but still a rascal... :D

@Luuklag so he doesn't watch TV in 3 am? ;)

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating nope ;)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

lol

Luuklag

I would be amazed if he did

he would have to climb out of his bed, open the gate at the stairs, and get down safely, then find the remote, and turn it on.

rene

08:34

@RyanM @Tinkeringbell can you hand me in private the link that was present on the comment here so I can add a watch for Smokey?

Luuklag

Is it worth migrating this to law? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361636/…

Ryan M

@Luuklag I think we've got a few folks there whose wheelhouse it's in

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag sounds easy enough. :P

Ryan M

For my 2 cents, I think it's a reasonable question for Law.SE

Luuklag

@RyanM yeah I had the same laymans opinion. It is a decent question, and probably already asked bazillion times

Ryan M

08:44

I couldn't find an exact duplicate, but there are some similar-ish ones

law.stackexchange.com/questions/38519/… was the closest I found

I would vote Leave Open if presented that dupe in review

Luuklag

@RyanM agreed

@Luuklag @tink @journ you agree?

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag I'll see :)

Hmm. Help center on law se isn't that useful, I don't know if this would be legal theory or asking for advice on a specific matter... I asked Law mods to take a look and let me know :)

Luuklag

09:01

@Tinkeringbell cool :) Best not to migrate crap anyways ;)

Ryan M

IMO it's sufficiently abstract and hypothetical that it's not a request for specific legal advice - it doesn't ask what they should do, it asks what the law is

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

09:43

Look who's here!

:P

rene

10:43

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating where?

Rob

@VariousAbove, but isn't this (one of) the dupe, on Law.SE:

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Q: Who licenses Stack Exchange content to end users?

If I take content that's posted on Stack Exchange (or, more generically, from a site that publishes user content based on a CC BY-SA license) and re-use it elsewhere, who is my license from? Is it the author themselves, or is it from Stack Exchange (from the publishing site)? Relatedly, who has t...

Luuklag

11:04

@Rob I don't think so. The question was specifically about obtaining copyright on re-used code.

Which is different then licensing it.

Rob

@Luuklag Did you read the first sentence in their question?

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Q: Does the originality requirement within U.S. copyright law mean that some Stack Overflow code snippets are not copyrightable?

I understand that code on Stack Overflow is licensed under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license, and that fair use doctrine may not apply to code snippets. I also recognize that it is ideal to rewrite code posted on Stack Overflow in our own words, both for legal reasons and for the learning experience it pres...

discussion legal copyright stack-snippets creative-commons

Luuklag

yes, but the precise question is this @Rob: "In other words, I am wondering if the originality requirement implies that some code snippets on Stack Overflow may not be original enough to be copyrightable in the U.S. Please let me know your thoughts."

Rob

That's not really different than us saying that you used words in your sentence that appear in comments visible above, amongst numerous other places, yet you didn't include attribution. --- Their (poor) example was can you include the file with an import statement; which if you didn't do it would be unusable; a better example would be to ask if you could copy some code from the included file. - Doing so is still subject to whatever terms it is offered under.

See also: meta.stackexchange.com/posts/361636/revisions @Luuklag

If the duplicate doesn't answer your entire question, then the correct thing to do is to edit to clarify your question and explain how the duplicate doesn't address it, not just send it somewhere else. — animuson ♦ May 22 '17 at 2:22

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

12:12

@rene here!

@g3r hey! All back to normal with daughter by now? :)

Tinkeringbell

13:17

@Spevacus Ah yes, the good old 'downvotes give me feelings so they must be bad' XD

(Catching up now)

Spevacus

Oh it gets better.

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha yeah, it seems people are getting very bored during their lockdowns.

Luuklag

13:38

someone should make this into a novel ;)

Tinkeringbell

Once upon a time, a few kids were building a sand castle. Someone came by and trampled the sand castle. All the kids got mad at each other: The first kid wanted to punch the one that destroyed the castle, the second one wanted to kick, and a third one just wanted to snitch to a parent :P

Journeyman Geek

Was it so he would get candy?

Cause snitches get snickers?

Tinkeringbell

I think it was because he was too much of a coward for a good old playground fight.

Journeyman Geek

14:20

On the contrary, he clearly knows how to let other people to do the dirty work

Tinkeringbell

Hmm. Sure, I think the novel can work with a narcissistic, manipulative, sociopathic manager type kind of charcacter too.

John Dvorak

you guys don't like appeal to authority?

Tinkeringbell

I do. It works great to overpower my parents in argument.

SPArcheon

14:35

Tinkeringbell

Oh, same color scheme!

SPArcheon

Actually, same game genre too.

Tinkeringbell

Hmm, I don't recognize that one though. If it's a spoiler, I don't want to know!

SPArcheon

Void Terrarium - Launch Trailer - Nintendo Switch

►

no, simple a screen / ads for another dungeon crawler game

Tinkeringbell

Ahh. Well it looks okay :) I still have my own to finish though :P

SPArcheon

14:42

Yep, I posted that one to basically imply the same but in reverse (I still have to find time to finish that one)

Tinkeringbell

Finding time isn't hard here, finding the will to actually do it is :P

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak I appreciate the proper use of it

Feeds

15:04

Best practices can slow your application down

Roberta Arcoverde on March 03, 2021

In order to get the most performant site possible when building the codebase for our public Stack Overflow site, we didn’t always follow best practices.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Feeds duh. To have best efficiency, write it from scratch in Assembly.

C++ is also faster than ASP.NET, surely it can be converted to C++ application running on unix OS.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating To make it really efficient: Make it do nothing :P

Rob

Next they'll be converting it back to Perl. - Feeds, give up on this line of articles.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell nah, it's hard to do nothing

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I've been doing nothing for very long periods of time :D

Didn't find it particularly hard :P

Rob

15:18

Practice makes perfect.

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating the fragrant smell of "cut the cost, let our human expendable resource handle the mess" in the morning....

user400654

🚽

SPArcheon

@Tinkeringbell Expert: the one who knows more and more about less and less.

Therefore, the real expert is the one who knows everything about nothing.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Pretty sure its in C# cause that's that the team liked best at the time :D

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

15:41

@SPArcheon indeed

@JourneymanGeek ~~Team~~ Jeff

I do wonder how Google keeps the search results so fast, searching billions of records in matter of milliseconds. That's magic to me.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating the opposite approach. Throw hardware at the problem

Tinkeringbell

@SPArcheon Probably true :)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

15:58

@JourneymanGeek still... must be some software magic sauce too.

Rob

16:17

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Spanner / F1:

Bigtable

Bigtable is a compressed, high performance, proprietary data storage system built on Google File System, Chubby Lock Service, SSTable (log-structured storage like LevelDB) and a few other Google technologies. On May 6, 2015, a public version of Bigtable was made available as a service. Bigtable also underlies Google Cloud Datastore, which is available as a part of the Google Cloud Platform. == History == Bigtable development began in 2004 and is now used by a number of Google applications, such as web indexing, MapReduce, which is often used for generating and modifying data stored in Bigtable...

Challenge: Look up "Google Search" using Google Search, and get the desired result above.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Rob yes that's part of the magic.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

18:30

My sister is bathing my kids, giving me some time off. :D

rene

18:49

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating you're learning how to delegate stuff?

Tinkeringbell

19:01

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating spend it wisely

Rosie

19:17

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating that is some pro delegation. I'm impressed!

rene

At this point I would outsource them completely ....

Tinkeringbell

@rene Half of society already does that, so why not? ;)

rene

19:37

Neem dan geen kinderen. joh

Tinkeringbell

19:48

@rene wordt aan gewerkt :P

Luuklag

The dutchies taking over again

rene

We're the Undutchables ...

Luuklag

+1

@rene he lives in the same city as me. How coincedental

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag I didn't realize we actually lost our territory :P

Luuklag

Good to see Rosie found her way to the tavern as well o/

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I wouldnt trust my sister to do that. Not untill all 3 kids can swim ;)

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rene

19:57

That would be a rude way to reduce the number of kids you have :D

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