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Luuklag

16:30

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating thats cool

I've being thinking of joining the reserves for a while now, but first I should get into shape and probably ask my employer about it.

Mithical

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating no, because it's tomorrow night (i.e. Friday)

@Luuklag looks like the kid has terrible trigger discipline, should never have reached the sa'al rank

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag yeah, though for tasks like bringing food to people in COVID quarantine you don't really need to be in shape.

Job is different story, you can't just leave it for days/weeks.

@Mithical ohh... OK so what will you be tomorrow night (i.e. Friday)? ;)

Mithical

I'll be dressing up as a civilian... :P

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Mithical doubt Luuk has chance to know what sa'al means... ;)

@Mithical :D

Mithical

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I always struggle to remember the difference between סגן אלוף, אלוף משנה, and תת אלוף

Rob

16:40

@MetaAndrewT. non-moving cheese 🪤

Mithical

And I never remember the name of a single falafel

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Mithical shoes are also non standard, don't fit for army service.

Mithical

חמש אצבעות על ידית האחיזה!

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Mithical you are correct, that's סא"ל... one falafel is רס"ן, two is סא"ל, three is אל"מ, swords are תא"ל, swords and one falafel is אלוף and last but not least, swords and two falafels are רא"ל aka רמטכ"ל

Mithical

The last one I generally remember

:p

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

16:43

lol

Rob

@Tinkeringbell 176 + at least two secret sites.

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Oh, and one coffin is סג"מ, two coffins is סגן and three coffins is סרן. @Mith

@Mithical yup, the most said sentence during טירונות. :D

Mithical

...and no bars is טוראי, two is רב"ט, three is סמל, and three with a leaf is ס"מר

Tinkeringbell

@Rob If they're secret, how do you know about them?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

Sadly, the kid wasn't properly trained. ;)

Rob

16:45

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating 4 ply

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@Mithical yup

And there are also רס"ל, רס"מ, etc.

My first girlfriend's father was רנ"ג.

Mithical

Yeah, one of my mefakdim is a רס"ם

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

The highest non-officer rank possible.

Rob

@Tinkeringbell You can visit, but there's a nag to login, even the Tour and Help links don't work, but the pulldown for them does.

Mithical

is still technically a טוראי

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

16:48

@Mithical ouch. Well you'll get to רב"ט soon enough. :D

Mithical

I mean... I'm only four months into service at this point, so makes sense

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@Mithical think I got mine in the end of the אימון מתקדם or whatever it was of the artillery forces, i.e. when I was qualified to actually start doing something. ;)

Mithical

Makes sense

I'm not actually certified for my position yet either...

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Then after about two years, סמל is given only due to being veteran, even if you're not really commanding anyone.

@Rob no it will still be dirty.

e.g. now it's on 106

Luuklag

17:07

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating you'll need to do an expedited basic training. So some condition is good to have.

@Mithical true

Rob

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating You need to upgrade to 10-ply, or better.

Luuklag

17:23

@Rob hahaha

How do you always manage to find these rediculous things @Rob?

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating this sounds like strange dinner

Rob

@Luuklag Only the best for you.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

18:51

@Luuklag oh, forgot about that, yeah...

@Rob yes this would work, but alas, the bugs won't be fixed. I'll spend all day in toilets trying out this marvelous paper. :D

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating bring your laptop

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@Luuklag rofl!! "falafel" in this context refers to the officer's rank, see in the picture what the kid has:

Rob

Laptop on the Bottompot.

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for some reason, people in Israel decided it looks like a falafel

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating looks more like a maple or cannabis leaf if you ask me ;)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

18:57

@Luuklag yup

The actual rank is this:

Source:

Israel Defense Forces ranks

The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) has a unique rank structure. Because the IDF is an integrated force, ranks are the same in all services (there is no differentiation between army, navy, air force, etc.) The ranks are derived from those used in the pre-state paramilitary Haganah, which operated during the Mandate period in order to protect the Yishuv. This is reflected in the slightly compacted rank structure: for instance, the Chief of Staff (rosh ha-mate ha-klali, initials: Ramatkal) is seemingly only equivalent to a lieutenant general in other militaries. == Current ranks == Officers (ktzinim...

Luuklag

Just looked up same pictures @ShadowWizardisVaccinating

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@Luuklag yup that's the highest rank.

Commander of the whole army.

Many times it's a starting point for politics, and usually it doesn't end well.

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating haha yeah they shouldn't mix

Don't think we have such a history of appointing miliary personal as politicians

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

Not mix, that's forbidden of course. After they retire.

Luuklag

yeah exactly, but I don't think that happens much here

my FIL was in the military, retired now

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

19:03

Thing is, the political predators can easily take down those who arrive from the military.

@Luuklag FIL?

Luuklag

Father In Law

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

oh lol

I'm bad in acronyms

user400654

that's an acronym i haven't seen before

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

So if you mention it, guess he was something senior? @Luuk

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating IIRC he equaled a Aluf mishne

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

19:05

My brother reached one "falafel", commanded a battle ship, then retired from army.

Luuklag

@user400654 Heard them a lot, FIL, SIL, BIL, MIL (notice the absence of an F)

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating he had to retire because he turned 56, but then managed to add 2 more years

Last few years were kinda the fun jobs

Being the military ambassador to Turkey

and then being station in Florida as the Dutch liason to the coalition that fought in the middle east

Those kinda jobs come with great extra perks

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag hmm... I don't think age plays a role here for active and good officers, not sure.

@Luuklag yeah, nice! He brought nice gifts?

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating we had some nice vacations for practically free

I once flew to turkey (Ankarra) to help them drive a car back to NL

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag yeah that's fun indeed! :P

Luuklag

Only took 36 hours

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

19:12

@Luuklag that's a good idea!

Luuklag

They didn't want to take the dog in the plane, so we drove.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag driving is more fun, you get the scenic ways.

I drove for hours in the USA just to see the views.

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating well it was terrible weather, we drove day and night, and it was at the height of refugees trying to get into europ through the balkan

really sad to see that

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@Luuklag ohhh.

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating In the uSA you drive for hours just to get to the next town

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

19:14

@Luuklag lol, also true. Well, I took long routes on purpose. :)

Here it's 6 hours from top to bottom of the whole country.

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating here its even less xD

But your quicker if you take a german highway

Oh no, not quicker, just shorter actually

google.com/maps/dir/Eemshaven/Vaals/@52.1010399,5.363256,8z/…

Rob

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Did you mix up two types; that's Lt. with two, and there's a difference between that and the photo first referred to:

The second leaf has veins.

The first looks like weed.

Luuklag

19:52

btw @Catija you got a warm house again?

Catija

20:05

Heck, it's 75F out today. The whole city is warm. Still no hot water, though.

Luuklag

@Catija thats annoying, what happened to that, your heater broke down?

@Catija yeah such massive changes are the new normal I guess.

We went from -12C to +18C within 10 days

Catija

@Luuklag spewing water - twitter.com/iCatija/status/1363278771315478534?s=20

Luuklag

@Catija That looks mounted outside, no wonder it froze to bits

Is it standard to mount those outside where you live?

I'm currently sitting only a few feet away from mine on the attic

Catija

It's not ... unusual, no. It doesn't freeze here often and they're generally rated to get a certain temperature and they're supposed to be smart enough to prevent icing up... apparently not in this case.

Luuklag

@Catija and now probably everyone needs a new one and it takes weeks to get one right

Catija

20:18

Apparently they're sending us parts to replace the blown bits but... I'm not sure when they should be arriving.

They were going to overnight them as of Sunday but they haven't arrived, so it's likely they haven't left the warehouse yet?

Luuklag

Fingers crossed they arrive soon and you can atleast take a normal shower again soon

@Catija so much for overnight

Catija

Yeah. I'm about to go find a place to take a shower because the old fashioned "heat a pot of water and then do what you can" thing isn't working for me. Though, I suppose it's better than nothing.

Luuklag

@Catija yeah at least you can wash your hair that way

Catija

HAHAHA. My hair is dunno... a half meter long, maybe more? Andy can but it's easier for me to wash it in the kitchen sink with the spray nozzle and just use cold water.

Luuklag

@Catija As long as you have a large pot ;). My wife cut mine 2 weeks back or so, while hairdressers are still closed. Now their reopening in 2 weeks or so, but she did actually a pretty decent job. More a case of taking the kids in, as the boys are getting their hair in front of their eyes by now.

Catija

20:27

Yeah, my 4-year-old has his bangs down to his nose but he won't let us cut it. We have clips for his hair but I guess he's waiting for it to go behind his ears.

Luuklag

I generally don't mind much if my kids have any preference, but seeing their only 2 they can hardly expalin themselves, let alone their desired hairstyle xD And now its just at a point where I notice it bothers them, so better get an appointment quickly

Catija

Twins? Fun! :D

Luuklag

@Catija yeah, two twin boys of 2, and a daughter of 4,5

Catija

I cut the bangs on my 2-year-old and his hair is relatively curly, so the length isn't too bad as long as I keep the bangs short.

The 4-year-old has actually had his hair cut more recently - I kinda wonder whether the little one's hair grows very fast at this point.

@Luuklag That's sweet! Sounds like our kids are the same age. :)

Luuklag

Yours look cute! My boys are real rebels, theyll do anyhing they aren't allowed to do. And being twins theire far less sensitive to punishment unfortunately :(

No way anyone is getting anything done when their around

Catija

20:34

Yeah, that sounds like trouble! :D My little one is adorable but he's got crocodile tears - and he just learned to pout - which is adorable. He's also a mimic - if his big brother does something, he's going to do it, too. The big one is... not super interested in doing anything we ask him to do. :(

Luuklag

Our doughter want's to be grown up really badly. It's also amazing how well she can conversate with adults. I have a feeling that isn't really normal for her age. But she would love the most to be the mother of her little brothers.

Catija

That's really awesome! It's so hard at that age to put thoughts into words. I can tell with mine that he's thinking lots of big things but not always able to make that into words. He speaks fine but sometimes he has to think a lot before spitting something out.

Luuklag

Yeah definetly, compared to her brothers she always has been quicker with words. But to the boys defense they spoke in "Twin" for a while. Was really funny to see that they could perfectly understand each others mumblings, and we were left clueless

Luuklag

21:27

@Catija Here's a picture of mine btw, on my wifes blog: betuwekids.nl/polder-bolgerijen Can't copy paste the image cause it's hosted on google and it has an insanely long url :/

One before I got my hair cut xD

Catija

@Luuklag So cute! :D Y'all look like a happy family :D

Luuklag

@Catija Most of the time we are ;)

Catija

Do the twins like being dressed alike? Or is it just the coats?

My 2-year-old definitely has preferences about clothes, so I thought they might, too.

Luuklag

@Catija they don't really have a preference when it comes to clothes. My wife likes them dressed alike, so we have everything double.

But were not that specific that when one needs a change of clothes we change the other as well

Our daughter was really picky about clothes as soon as she could let us know.

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

22:08

I just came across a case where a user posted an offensive post and proceeded to self-delete it. Should I flag it for moderators to re-delete as spam/offensive?

I've done that with spam posts before, since self-deleted spam can later be undeleted by the author without leaving a trace on the home page. But should I do the same with offensive posts?

Luuklag

I'd say yes. Also in this way they don't get the penalty

@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog This account is temporarily suspended network-wide. The suspension period ends in 7 days.

I guess you are talking about a user that starts with André

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

@Luuklag Nope

A different user

Luuklag

Oh no, that was a community deletion

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

Continuing, I'm not sure if I should, since a self-deletion of an offensive post, unlike a spam post, can mean a genuine recanting of the post, rather than a plan to later undelete the post once it's slid off the page

user400654

let the moderators decide

its what they're there for

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

22:17

@user400654 The question is, should I flag?

user400654

well yea

otherwise they may not be aware of it

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

I don't want to risk a penalty for a declined flag if they decide not to take action on it.

user400654

there's no such penalty that you're likely anywhere close to

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

Well, there's less leniency if I later get other declined flags. Better to have leeway

Luuklag

Was it here at mse?

Spevacus

22:43

If I were acting as a mod, I'd probably undelete and re-mod-delete to ensure it couldn't be simply undeleted by the user, but I'm not sure I would apply a binding R/A flag in that case. How quickly did the user self-delete the post?

Luuklag

23:14

Well guys im off, finally got my proposal done

not too shabby at 00:15 am

user400654

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