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12:46 AM

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1:06 AM

@Mark probably the shock from pandemic; people who never voted would probably think of doing so for "reasons", which I'm not too sure about but i feel it make sense they would...

does anyone here ever had more than the actual ping they have in reality? like i sometimes see 3 ping in my inbox, but once i look in the burger menu, i see only 2...

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

Multiple comments on the same post increment the number, but show as a single notification in the inbox dropdown

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@NordTheLoftyWizard you mean notifications, yes. Pings are more for chat, IMO.

(since only they actually make ping noise, inbox notifications are silent. ;))

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

Notifications make ping noises on your phone, so long as your app is working

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@SonictheK-DayHedgehog app is dead, so I don't consider it as an option anymore.

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@SonictheK-DayHedgehog oh, but when i checked there was only one additional comment? I guess it might be the last notifications that get shown again...

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

1:11 AM

And for me it was always muted anyway.

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@Shadow10YearsWizard I see :o confound the term all the time.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Well, you can use it for comment reply, as you also use @-ping style, but that's about it.

Inbox notification for a new answer can't really be a "ping". :D

sdc ping pong

SmokeDetector

@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'ping'.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

:(

As usual, broken avatar...

Looks like really minor issue, code-wise. (passing proper size parameters)

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@SonictheK-DayHedgehog wait...is this a spam post or? How come they're posting a code block/generator in C on the meta SE o-O

first time i see this on meta

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

1:17 AM

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A: Why do users often ask blatantly off-topic questions here on Meta?

I'd say there are many reasons for this. One reason is that they end up following a link here, not realize that they are on a different site (since the site has the same interface), and then ask their (off-topic) question here. The number of off-topic questions asked per day for this reason sud...

It's enough of a problem that "asking programming questions on Meta" is an actual suspension reason here on this site

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@SonictheK-DayHedgehog what's the procedure here? Does someone need to tell them off in the comment and close/delete it or just suspend their account as you said?

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

@NordTheLoftyWizard Just close vote, leave a comment if you like (I can't at the moment due to script troubles), downvote it to -3 so 20k+ users can vote to delete, then once it gets closed and if you have 20k+ rep, vote to delete.

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@SonictheK-DayHedgehog okay, done on the downvote (first time i actually downvoted something surprisingly) will vote to delete and comment as per your suggestion :)

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

Suspensions aren't usually handed out unless they repeatedly ask here. The thing is, question bans are much, much harder to hit here as they're adjusted to take into account downvotes for disagreement, so suspending takes the place of that.

@NordTheLoftyWizard As you have <3k rep, the best you can do is cast a recommend closure flag, unfortunately.

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@SonictheK-DayHedgehog yeah, noticed this too at the last second :D. Better than nothing

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

1:22 AM

and comment

Journeyman Geek

2:51 AM

@NordTheLoftyWizard don't tell them off. Inform them

throwing in a link here is good - there's a few regular users who help with flagging and deletion votes.

We usually suspend for repeated OT questions, question repetition (which quite similar to but entirely unlike the previous issue) and rudeness.

the goal isn't to chase them off. Its to point them in the right direction

Rubiksmoose

3:11 AM

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Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

4:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek The same rationale also applies to question bans on main sites: users receive warnings and then rolling rate limits before hitting one.

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

4:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek Spam account: meta.stackexchange.com/users/880981/yajujjhon

Journeyman Geek

4:55 AM

chewing noises

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

8:22 AM

Morning. Should this comment be deleted as a link to unlicensed video rip?

Journeyman Geek

probably more a matter for the ~~anime~~ SFF mods/natives? :D

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@JourneymanGeek aren't piracy policies a network wide thing, mentioned in the TOS? And btw, as odd as it may seem, that's SciFi, not Anime

oh, nice. The one I was looking for

Journeyman Geek

oops

the same

lol

maybe but you'd find more people who can flag there + the user might need advice

Meta Andrew T.

8:37 AM

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе SciFi.SE has a more loose view than Anime.SE: scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13047/36437

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@MetaAndrewT. Don't get me wrong, but SciFi can say what they want and that wouldn't override network wide policies made by the staff. Furthermore, the comment is a direct link, not just a"search on ...." suggestion

Journeyman Geek

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе and that's practically a decision which staff need to address :D

I mean, otherwise, we'd have network policies determined by twitter...

(too soon?)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@JourneymanGeek and that's why I came here

Journeyman Geek

ah

which reminds me to check if the CM ad is still up :D

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

8:55 AM

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе 1) I applied 2) I think SE badly needs more CMs 3) Morbid curiosity :D

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

9:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek 0) I don't know what Ad you are talking about in the first place :P

Journeyman Geek

oh

stackoverflow.com/company/work-here/2351469/community-manager

Interested? :D

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@JourneymanGeek yep, but only for certain values of "interested".

like, "facepalm" interested.

Journeyman Geek

that's a natural response I guess

but I'm still curious, and "oh, lets give it a shot" interested, with a few things that make me facepalm...

but that's all on meta

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

99 little CM on the walll
Fire 2, hire one more
98 little CM on the wall....

Journeyman Geek

9:46 AM

more like 4? :D

but ya. That's both a reason they need more, and why I'm curious over how its going to go

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@JourneymanGeek depends if the new fresh recruits knew Shog in the past.

Journeyman Geek

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе also if they looked up the history of the role.

but we'll see I guess?

Mad Scientist

we'll see if SO becomes just a glorified demo of Teams. So far it seems like SE leadership understands that they need CMs to avoid unrest and drama, but I'm not yet convinced they actually understand the network

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@JourneymanGeek the one job where knowledge about the role actually goes against your chances to get the job... and you probably would still be happy about it.

Journeyman Geek

@MadScientist I've quite literally worn out a keyboard talking about this :D

We can't really "only" hire "internally" - we've had some great folks who were from 'outside' - but I think at some point, someone believed they could somehow run a business network without the community or... Q&A...

shades of a bit of what happened with /.

Mad Scientist

9:53 AM

If you use keyboards as opinion enhancers when talking to people I recommend a mechanical keyboard. They're much heavier so the argument will almost certainly end when you hit people with it. ;-)

Journeyman Geek

and folks familiar with the network are useful...

@MadScientist oh, mine is. Cherry blues that are nearly silent from use, and its dying... :/

and yes.

It. will. hurt.

:D

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Depends where you hit. ;)

Mad Scientist

I think a goal of like 50:50 insiders/outsiders for the CM role would make sense. You definitely also want an external view there

Journeyman Geek

@MadScientist true, but with how... depleted the team is...

and the general mood of the community, keeping it open to insiders (on the short term) and ensuring its attractive to both (in the long term) seems a good idea

I don't think anyone will want to swap jobs unless they know there's a future in the role, or their job/boss sucks

@MadScientist ooh, so in order - hire more, work out what the job means (again...)

try to fix up what's been broken over the last half decade...

Mad Scientist

While I'm mostly frustrated with SE, I also think significant parts of the community are wrong about parts of how Q&A sites should work. Only having SE power users as CMs is dangerous as well

Journeyman Geek

10:01 AM

@MadScientist Well - kiiindaaa

But an CM is necessarily going to need to get the mechanics of it

Of the current CMs, at least one isn't a SE power user, and he's great

Mad Scientist

But right now, an insider would be more useful because they can get up to speed much faster

Journeyman Geek

yup

(and ugh, I don't want to sound like I'm lobbying for the job or anything)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@JourneymanGeek something totally unrelated. I once mentioned the chaos the server where I used to play Ultima Online went. After half of the first staff was forcefully removed over a fight between a dev and another staff member, I still stayed there and even helped with some minor community related tasks. Wouldn't do that again.

Journeyman Geek

10:21 AM

:D

It takes a certain kinda person to want to do that sorta thing

Nord The Lofty Wizard

12:06 PM

@JourneymanGeek yeah, think i did decently on the comment :)

I did said "tell them off" but i might have confounded the meaning of that and "inform them", and just swapped the two sentences in my head...:D

rene

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Rob

12:55 PM

Is the ceiling in here lower? - Using FF the backscroll on this page is non-existent, while using the Chrome browser or any other chat room the backscroll is at least a page and a half long.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

1:46 PM

@Rob How many messages you see?

Maybe FF is requesting the mobile theme, which returns less messages.

Trivia time! What is this food?

(hint: not a cake. ;))

Tinkeringbell

Crap from the bottom of the coffee machine?

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@Shadow10YearsWizard meatloaf?

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

2:11 PM

@Shadow10YearsWizard that poisonous rotten cheese that is probably considered a weapon of mass destruction in many countries and yet I can remember the name of?

Luuklag

@Rob my backscroll on FF is till 2:16

@Shadow10YearsWizard Do I see some legitimate swag in the background there?

Looks like a "la vache qui rit" piece that's gone bad

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Shadow10YearsWizard second guess:

there is a cake on the tin, must be edible.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@NordTheLoftyWizard nope

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе nope

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе nope. It's something edible.

@Tinkeringbell we have a winner in..... wrongest answer! :-D

It's edible, it's not from a coffee machine, and it has sweet taste. ;)

Luuklag

2:27 PM

Halva?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

I bet @Mithical knows what it is.

@Luuklag YES!!!

How... did you know? lol

Luuklag

Yay to google ;)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Ha? For me it show "spoon".

Luuklag

Googled israeli triangle food ;)

Landed me here: insider.com/best-food-israel-2017-3

and halva looked about right on colour and consistency ;)

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

Tinkeringbell

2:28 PM

@Shadow10YearsWizard Well it looks like that.

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Luuklag smart!! Actually it comes as a square block, I just cut a small piece.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Shadow10YearsWizard Rotten halva you mean? Or is it "earth" flavored?

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе cocoa flavor added, originally it's white.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

The color was exactly what made me assume it was not halva

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

It's from sesame grains.

Luuklag

2:30 PM

@Shadow10YearsWizard I'm in investigator mode. Was working on moving a WP plug-in forum from one DB/hosting/URL to another

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе hence the trivia, otherwise it would indeed be too easy. :D

@Luuklag rofl.... good! :P

Luuklag

No, horrible!

It was probably quicker to manually move each DB entry over

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

What's the DB? Why moving?

Luuklag

Well it is part of one website, but hosted on another

Mysql , on WP

I finally managed to move all posts themselves

and link the answers to the questions

but now the plug-in is acting out

so probably just going to do a re-install of that someday

Too many people tried before and failed

I think each question might be in the DB 4 or 5 times

yay for people restoring back-ups when they fail...

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

@Luuklag yes! It's my CoS - Cup of Shekels (and funny fact... "cos" in Hebrew means cup) which is actually the Stack Overflow mug, which is used to store single Shekel coins for unknown time and usage. Here is a picture from above:

Luuklag

2:35 PM

Nice one!

Shadow 10 Years Wizard

It was bit more full, during Corona I withdrew some coins and didn't put new ones.

Shog!!!

Hello!

You see money and you arrive. Hmm.... :P

Luuklag

hahaha

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