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Spevacus

2:00 PM

Uh oh... Yaakov removed the featured tag on the mod agreement update post. Incoming calamity.

Ollie

@Shadow just throwing it out there, it does not belong here.

Magisch

nah

yaakov is widely liked

Ollie

Ta, y'all.

Mithical

@Spevacus either something new is coming up or it just didn't need to be featured anymore

Spevacus

@Magisch Nah I just mean that a new post from SE is probably coming soon... which either means something new is gonna be posted or... well... ^

Magisch

2:02 PM

always look on the bright side of life

LinkBerest

@Spevacus eh, its been up there enough. People who are active would have seen it by now and most people like the CMs and certain Devs (esp. ones who were instrumental in showing Meta was much more important than SE thought) - so I don't see removing it being a "herald of doom"

Spevacus

@LinkBerest Naw what I meant was, typically this means a new post is coming, which means it'll quite possibly be featured, which means we get more cross-network traffic, which typically means... fun times :)

LinkBerest

@Magisch there's even a sing along version :)

@Spevacus yeah, but in this case I think its just going to be the "results of staff engagement" one which seems meh as far as firestorms go

Spevacus

Mhmm

LinkBerest

..... I could easily be wrong given the track record so I will not bet on this though :)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

2:06 PM

@Spevacus ?

Rob

The track record, there's a video for that:

Buster Keaton in The General (1927)

►

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Ollie ohh... well we get tons of those... ;)

Spevacus

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Just curious what the latest post will be is all ;D

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Spevacus you mean new featured post?

Spevacus

ye

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

2:07 PM

ya

Spevacus

yu

Mithical

yo

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

oy

Spevacus

oi

Mithical

vavoy

LinkBerest

2:09 PM

Yuve Yuve Yu

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Mithical

Stack Overflow raises $85 million in funding

6

And a new member of the Board (one of the investors).

> In May, the company reduced its workforce by 15%, or 40 employees, as first reported by Business Insider, in a move the company said primarily affected its recruiting business vertical...

*eyeroll*

Tinkeringbell

nvm I should learn to search first ;)

Spevacus

;)

I was about to say, I just looked! ;D

rene

@Mithical the next article title is for me 11 Of The Best Grilling Tools. Appropriate.

Tinkeringbell

2:17 PM

@rene Same here. We watch the same kind of stuff online, apparently :P

rene

No, you should stop reading the stuff from my monitor ...

Spevacus

@rene Mine is "The Best Pillows For Neck Pain, According To Glowing Online Reviews." I don't have neck pain, but... maybe this knows something I don't?

rene

:D

Spevacus

posture check

Mithical

I looked at it through view-source because it was telling me to disable my adblocker and that wasn't going to happen.

rene

2:19 PM

@Spevacus maybe because you are a pain ... wait ... no ... nvm ....carry on ...

Rob

Forbes says the company is now valued at over U$1/2B and the 85M is going towards expanding Teams.

Spevacus

@rene ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's possible.

rene

found no evidence :)

Mithical

> GIC investor Ethel Chen will join the startup’s board alongside Chandrasekar who is gaining the director seat after joining as chief executive in October 2019.

Wait, so what about Joel?

Magisch

probably stepping down

Journeyman Geek

2:21 PM

Or they are adding seats

Tinkeringbell

More seats would probably mean most of that 85 million would go to that extra seat, right?

LinkBerest

yep, if one has enough money one can always buy a seat in a company

(ask Dell they made that mistake and had to fight for years to regain control - and had some really bad computers come out during that time)

Magisch

Oh how nice it'd be to be a capricious multibillionaire

don't like ads on a website? buy the company and turn the ads off

flawless

LinkBerest

I'd say we could start a gofundme or something but group funding (even when massive) lacks so much direction that it usually is rendered ineffective

Magisch

want a handhold flamethrower? hire some engineers and have them make one

LinkBerest

2:25 PM

^ don't forget to hire doctors and plastic surgeons for when you try and use that

Feeds

Our Series E Funding – An Inflection Point to Accelerate the Realization of our Mission

Prashanth Chandrasekar on July 28, 2020

This is my third in a series of quarterly CEO blog posts. I’m excited to share some very positive updates.

user400654

🚽

LinkBerest

I remember thinking either this new CEO will changes things for the better or fan the flames until it all burns down.....I'm keeping the fire department on speed dial

Rob

🍲

Infinite Recursion

@rene ponds are the safest place to live in 2020...how is your garden?

Magisch

2:27 PM

ngl that title comes straight out of business lingo hell

@InfiniteRecursion oi

long time no see

o/

user400654

positive for who

rene

@InfiniteRecursion flowering ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch What's my prize? I got a full card ;)

LinkBerest

@Magisch There's also no link to a Meta discussion so I think he/others have realized they're just pouring gas over the fire (with just that title alone) so didn't want to link

- I take back what I said about your earlier reaction at the un-featuring: your crystal ball is better than mine

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell a bar of chocolate with "actualizing synergies while leveraging AI" carved into it

user400654

2:30 PM

Nah, i'm sure there will be a meta post in short order

Spevacus

@LinkBerest Is it calamity time?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch :( Carved into it? That means less chocolate. Couldn't you just have printed it on the wrapper?

Magisch

I always wonder about that

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus I don't see anything that needs cleansing fire yet?

Magisch

what stops you from simply purchasing as much chocolate as you require?

Tinkeringbell

2:30 PM

@Magisch Morbid obesity.

Spevacus

@Tinkeringbell Keep the flamethrower prepared ;)

@Tinkeringbell :(

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus Will do! :)

Magisch

I once thought to myself "I should eat a full cake" and then I did it and then I realized why parents tell you not to

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus 's okay :) If my mom isn't nagging about it, it's not too hard to live with ;)

@Magisch Hahaha oh, I've been there too.. with a mega bag of M&Ms.

Infinite Recursion

@ShadowWizardWearingMask That's tough, all the best for the remaining 5 days. I am safe and sane - working from home since March...

LinkBerest

2:33 PM

@Spevacus yeah, I figure even if that blog post ends up flawless any meta post will have to include one answer which is entirely emojis just to point out how annoying that feature was

Tinkeringbell

@InfiniteRecursion Where's my manners... Hi! I don't think we've met before, I'm Tink. :D It seems it's appropriate to say 'welcome back' to you :)

Infinite Recursion

@rene then pls change the blur flower

Spevacus

@LinkBerest 🙏

LinkBerest

then that answer will be deleted as not on topic (it isn't so that would be valid but.......)

Tinkeringbell

Does anyone know what Series E funding actually is? Is it just a 'number' for the funding rounds? I see the previous one referred to as Series D?

rene

2:34 PM

@InfiniteRecursion I lack the focus to do that ...

3

Infinite Recursion

@Magisch hiya...yes...a really long time...I am still curious how the wizard could ping me

LinkBerest

@Tinkeringbell In startups - Series E is suppose to be the final "round" of funding

i.e. after this your a business and don't need outside funding

Spevacus

@InfiniteRecursion The master of pings @Sha will not be stopped. Not even by technical limitations.

Infinite Recursion

@rene I am so tempted to pin that

Tinkeringbell

@LinkBerest 🙏

rene

2:36 PM

@InfiniteRecursion I bet you are :D ... you have the power and I'm not going to contest that :D

LinkBerest

note: that's more by tradition than by truth (you can have Series Z funding for all that it matters - as long as you can keep finding people to invest - though by that point you might want to seriously consider non-profit course)

Infinite Recursion

@Tinkeringbell Hi... I know you Tink, and thank you :)

LinkBerest

Which SE rejected a long time ago.....

break time - adios all

user400654

Just more lumping the whole of the community into one basket

Infinite Recursion

@ShadowWizardWearingMask how does it work? Are all old users pingable or just the lazy ROs who disappear?

Tinkeringbell

2:41 PM

@LinkBerest Enjoy the break! :)

@InfiniteRecursion Shadow just replied to one of your very old messages: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6136436#6136436

Mithical

CEO Blog: Some exciting news about fundraising

4

> We’ll be opening CM roles, a second PM role on the Public Platform team, as well as additional developers and designers to help support the things we need to build.

good luck

Spevacus

Goooooooood luuuuck

Infinite Recursion

@Tinkeringbell Thanks, @Sha that shows how bored you are in your quarantine :D

Spevacus

Sheesh

Mithical

after Shog and Robert? I'm skeptical

Tinkeringbell

2:45 PM

@Mithical Yeah. I don't think many people are jumping up and down for a job that can...basically fire at will?

Spevacus

What even is job security.

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus Well I like mine. It's not really secure but working for a company that sends you to clients means you always have your paycheck, even if the client decides they no longer have a project for you and you'll need to find another company client to work for ;)

user400654

I like how the blog post constantly flipped back and forth between teams and QA stats, as if trying to conflate the two as one "success", one being proof that the other is worth investing in.

Tinkeringbell

I must admit I lost track after a few sentences. Perhaps I'll try again to read the whole thing tonight.

It seems Sara is using the funding post instead of the Sandbox to try out Markdown ;)

Aibobot

gotta learn somehow :D

Spevacus

3:00 PM

panic-driven-markdown-education

Aibobot

protip

use the help

I do, even after a decade of active use ;)

however, if someone uses old-se markdown instead of commonmark... they get a pass

Ann Zen

@Aibobot Do your edits apply immediately, or do they need to be reviewed?

Spevacus

@AnnZen He frequently uses that account to suggest edits instead of instantly apply them. So they do need to be reviewed, yeah :)

Well... "frequently" isn't the best word.

Occasionally, maybe.

Ann Zen

how come @Aibobot has a post with 255 upvotes, and yet low rep?

Spevacus

Bounties.

Mithical

3:06 PM

...1,000 rep of them

meta.stackexchange.com/users/358125/aibobot?tab=bounties

Spevacus

The cost of poetry. :)

Mithical

(which I think can be awarded now, @Aibobot)

Journeyman Geek

just got into work :D

@AnnZen aibobot was supposed to be a low rep alt account

or one for doing things that I can't/won't as a mod

@Mithical simona right?

Mithical

aye

Journeyman Geek

14 minutes :D

Pandya

3:10 PM

1

Q: Not able to toggle back upvote downvote count

I was browsing my questions and happened to notice that when we click on upvote count, it shows upvote and downvote counts separately, but there is no way to toggle it back. An image for reference: Only way I could toggle back is refreshing whole page. Is it a bug?

bug

Should be migrated to MSE?

Spevacus

Looks like a halfway decent feature request. Not a bug.

But uh... yeah, applies cross-network, so sure.

Mithical

nothing wrong with leaving it on the per-site-meta

Spevacus

Either way works.

I guess err on the side of not migrating, right?

user400654

i don't like the idea of migrating to main meta

because you're moving something from somewhere where the points are made up and don't matter anyway to somewhere where they can be hit with a bunch of negative rep

Journeyman Geek

meh :D

you can't undo votes without an edit, no?

Spevacus

3:17 PM

Burn it to ashes ^

DavidPostill

3:27 PM

It's gone :)

Spevacus

Cheers :)

Mithical

Huh... lotsa insta-downvotes on the CEO blog meta post.

Aibobot

@Mithical done

Mithical

(thumbs up)

Aibobot

as they say "next better player"

@Mithical one person I guess \o/

Mithical

3:33 PM

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/351385/…

Spevacus

Yeah one or two people just swept through and insta-dv'd the new answers.

Mithical

....is oneboxing broken

nope, the comment was just deleted

rene

@Pandya on MSE a dupe exists: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236767/…

Pandya

@rene Thanks for finding it :)

rene

Sorry it took so long ... :/

it wasn't easy to find

Pandya

3:44 PM

Yes, I had tried searching on MSE before posting message here.

rene

I did know it had an awesome answer from Shog9 ...

Not disappointed about that

Pandya

@rene Haha. it is already mentioned in the question body that refreshing is a quick workaround.

rene

Yeah, I guess that will be the final answer

Pandya

status-bydesign

status-declined

rene

:D

Rob

3:51 PM

An hour after someone says this ...

Against common sense, Stack Exchange is a small company, and with very low profit. It has no money to waste. — Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask 3 hours ago

Journeyman Geek

:D

I don't think the new funding will go into the mobile app still

Rob

True, but a 100K would be enough to rewrite from scratch, not that I'm suggesting to do that; just that they aren't broke, or small.

My browser styled view is OK for me, and I have enough APPs; I think it (having an APP) started at the same time as the "There's an APP for that" saying started. Lucky they didn't put out a CD too.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob main use of the app for me is mobile notifications

Rubiksmoose

The only thing I'd want from an app is my notifications back. I still have the old app and get notifications, but clicking on them goes nowhere.

If that ever goes away, I'd miss it dearly even though it barely works as it is. As a mod, being able to get notified when I'm pinged has definitely helped in timely responses to things that needed them.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Rob

4:00 PM

My phone gets dings from chat, and isn't there a settling to email Notifications (resulting in a boing from your phone)?

Journeyman Geek

actually have a (really poor) FR for doing mobile notifications another way

Rubiksmoose

@Rob hmmmm maybe?

Journeyman Geek

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/321093/revisions

Rubiksmoose

But dings in chat would only come if I had it open and sound on.

Journeyman Geek

(there's a lot of tiny details that having a single app does better but...)

Rob

4:03 PM

If there was a Feature Request on Meta asking for a different ding for site notifications (with a 🔊 to adjust it) you'd be all set. :)

Journeyman Geek

@Rob a web push notification works even when the browser isn't open

Ann Zen

Is it that each site has a different sound for chat pings?

Rubiksmoose

Each server does.

Not sure about Chat.SO actually.

NobodyNada

@Rubiksmoose Yep, SO has a simple "ding"

Rob

@JourneymanGeek If you were willing to give SE your mobile number you could get SMSs, like Google sends me.

Journeyman Geek

4:06 PM

there's no need to :D

Rob

Just use the broken APP.

Journeyman Geek

I do at the moment

until its too broken to even app

Rob

In 6-8 weeks ...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@InfiniteRecursion thanks, and glad you're OK! :-)

What you work at? @Inf

πάντα ῥεῖ

@AnnZen IIRC You can even personalize which sound to use, I just can't find where now.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

4:09 PM

@InfiniteRecursion everyone! None can escape my ping skillz. :D

(boring stuff: replying to any message, regardless of its age, will ping its author. :))

Rob

^^ Sha uses the Bronx Cheer Notification sound.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Spevacus very true! :P

πάντα ῥεῖ

Mine is Star Trek doorbell here. Is that different from anyone else's?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rob how you know?!

;)

Rob

Probably. I use the Dolby Atmos shimmering sound.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

4:13 PM

@InfiniteRecursion well, I am, but your ping was result of someone else asking something, let's see who it was....

πάντα ῥεῖ

I remember having a user script once to personalize the ping sound. I used to use the Sledgehammer flute intro. That was so chilling ;-)

Rob

Since my phone has Atmos it works pretty good.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

It's @Meta fault!

Jul 24 at 14:10, by Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask caught by Infinite Recursion first...

@Inf ^

Rubiksmoose

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@Rubiksmoose It's g3rv4's fault.

Infinite Recursion

4:27 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Citi never sleeps

Mithical

The public community is important as it's central to all of our lives. There may be a more impactful company answer to that, and for that I will defer to others. However, Stack Overflow changed my life, and the lives of every coder I know. I imagine there are many people here who have a similar Stack Exchange story. I've been in countless meetings where ideas are shut down because though they would make money, they would sacrifice the integrity of the community. I think that's a really neat thing about working here. — Sara Chipps ♦ 27 mins ago

Infinite Recursion

@ShadowWizardWearingMask @Meta never forgets

Rob

LOL

user400654

i'd have to see it to believe it

we rarely ever get any additional tooling or features to help with the onslaught of duplicates asked every day. it simply gets worse as the dupe question search becomes more and more useless, further and further clouded by the countless answered help desk question. Yea, it's great that people can come here to help. it sucks that the only way people can get help here is to ask, rather than being able to find the answer.

Rob

4:45 PM

@greybeard - in that case just leave a comment along the lines of "you need to search for x y z" — ChrisF ♦ Dec 3 '14 at 14:40

Meta Andrew T.

ha! It's already late here... so, an early "night!" then :)

DavidPostill

5:09 PM

!!/why

SmokeDetector

@DavidPostill No such command 'why'.

DavidPostill

@MetaAndrewT. thanks

Meta Andrew T.

@DavidPostill no prob!

M.A.R.

It’s been said a thousand times before, but I suppose it will take a thousand and one: SO is not designed and poorly accommodates those who are trying to learn from the ground up. Those people don’t need Q&A, they need courses, professors, tutors, peers, textbooks, tutorials, blogs, how-tos, videos, manuals... they need way way more than Q&A can give them. There is no way for a site the size of SO to provide personal tutoring to the giant influx of new programmers every year, week, day. SO is for masters to train journeymen; apprentices need long practice at the basics before SO will be useful — Dan Bron 1 hour ago

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Teaches @Journeyman

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Ah yes, the old 'I'm teaching myself but expecting a free online internet teacher!'

Rubiksmoose

5:16 PM

@M.A.R. hahaha

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. though arguably, one also needs to teach onceself to ask questions well

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek That's not difficult to learn How To Ask Questions The Smart Way

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill well but is it?

You can take a horse to a library but you can't make him read

DavidPostill

Indeed, but there is a limit on how much we should spoon feed novices. There is also Writing the perfect question | Jon Skeet's coding blog which is linked in SO help at the bottom of How do I ask a good question? - Help Center - Stack Overflow.

2

If people can't be arsed to read then they shouldn't be arsed to post ... :)

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Well, I've said it before... you can't have everyone participate here and you shouldn't want to. The site is in English (and there's a few other languages but) which still rules out a significant portion of people.

Journeyman Geek

5:30 PM

its still difficult, but worth it

and sometimes you have the privilege of experiences

but saying it isn't difficult is incorrect

DavidPostill

Rob

👴Back in my day we had no Internet, no one to ask, and if we weren't writing it in BASIC we were proficient at Assembly Language (knew all the opcodes). A few thousand dollars bought a computer with less CPU power than an Android wristwatch. --- If they had to answer a few questions before they could ask one all the abandoned questions and accounts would dry up; it would probably provide a lesson in what makes for a good question too. But, that's already been rejected.

Tinkeringbell

@Rob You're that old?

Oof.

rene

What does oof mean?

Spevacus

Oof

Tinkeringbell

5:43 PM

@rene Oef for you ;)

Rob

The reverse of foo.

Rubiksmoose

@rene Old, Old Fart

Tinkeringbell

@Rubiksmoose I would never say that!

M.A.R.

Object-Oriented Farting

rene

OK, so being offended is not strange

M.A.R.

5:44 PM

Oh semi-jinx

Tinkeringbell

@rene You're that old too?! Oof...

Rubiksmoose

@Tinkeringbell It seems you did though!

Spevacus

We are surrounded by the elderly.

rene

Where is that post on mod abuse?

Tinkeringbell

@rene search for 'recourse privileges'

Should be the top one then.

rene

5:45 PM

yep, thanks!

M.A.R.

1774

Q: Could we please be a bit nicer to new users?

There is a distinct decline in the level of civility on all the sites here. Some of this is due to new users coming in and posting spam and other nonsense, but the off-topic and downvote buttons are doing a pretty good job of keeping this under control. Unfortunately, a lot of this is coming ...

discussion etiquette new-users behavior

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus It's really starting to feel more like a nursing home in here than a Tavern, that's true!

M.A.R.

Even if they're oofs

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. That's for new ones, not old ones :P

DavidPostill

@Rob I'm an old fart too. Back in my day you could buy the Sinclair ZX81 for UKP 50.

Rob

5:46 PM

Youth Is Wasted On The Young.

Tinkeringbell

Nah, can't you see I'm having fun with it? :P

M.A.R.

I'm an old fart too. Ice cream used to be only 500 tomans.

DavidPostill

And yes, I taught myself assembler on that.

rene

A moderator discredited me in public ... they probably claim they stated the truth ...

DavidPostill

ZX81

The ZX81 is a home computer that was produced by Sinclair Research and manufactured in Dundee, Scotland, by Timex Corporation. It was launched in the United Kingdom in March 1981 as the successor to Sinclair's ZX80 and designed to be a low-cost introduction to home computing for the general public. It was hugely successful; more than 1.5 million units were sold. In the United States it was initially sold as the ZX-81 under license by Timex. Timex later produced its own versions of the ZX81: the Timex Sinclair 1000 and Timex Sinclair 1500. Unauthorized ZX81 clones were produced in several countries...

M.A.R.

5:47 PM

@Rob UR WSTED ON DE YANG

DavidPostill

That was my first home computer ...

M.A.R.

@rene We're merely stating the facts. Just because you don't like a response doesn't mean it's not true.

Rob

That was fairly good at the time.

M.A.R.

Strokes beard metaSOically

Meta Andrew T.

... I've taken a sleep medicine, but I'm still awake...

Rob

5:48 PM

^^ While we pass wind.

rene

@DavidPostill I started on an MSX.

M.A.R.

@MetaAndrewT. I drink coffee then feel sleepy

I started on a Nokia 1100

DavidPostill

@Rob Indeed. And there was no internet or email to ask questions. We bought books and read them.

M.A.R.

There was this Spaceship game thing I got really good at

@DavidPostill bouks? What's that

Bo-oks?

rene

dead wood

Rob

5:50 PM

MAR has the Government shut his Interest off from time to time, so he can think his own thoughts.

Meta Andrew T.

Anyway, my pinned message it the only bare link :(

DavidPostill

Back later, eating my dinner

rene

Oh, dinner. brb.

M.A.R.

Now everyone's suddenly having dinner

Back to studying for me

Meta Andrew T.

back to sleep

Tinkeringbell

5:51 PM

I already had dinner looong ago.

I can keep you from studying, if it's needed :)

Rob

That, he can do.

Mithical

@MetaAndrewT. tsk tsk, you obviously weren't prepared for a pin

:P

Tinkeringbell

6:09 PM

It's national forget-how-the-link-markup works day.

Got you all fixed, @MetaAndrewT. :)

Mithical

<link text>{url}, obviously

Tinkeringbell

Thanks, that helps :)

twitter.com/StackOverheards/status/1288176166336004096?s=20 < seems they're spending that funding on other things than CMs too.

Sonic the Masked Werehog

And now, it's actually morning

Tinkeringbell

Did you sleep? :P

Sonic the Masked Werehog

@DavidPostill Interestingly, back then, Commodore offered a $100 discount on their computers to people who traded in any other home computer, so people realized they could buy the Sinclair for $50 and get a net $50 discount on the C64

@Tinkeringbell Yes, of course

Tinkeringbell

6:22 PM

Glad to hear :)

Spevacus

@SonictheMaskedWerehog And how is our resident Hedgehog today?

DavidPostill

@SonictheMaskedWerehog lol

I've just found an uneaten Easter Egg in my cupboard :)

Tinkeringbell

yay, chocolate!

Enjoy! :D