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12:29 AM

@ArtOfCode So like https:// ?

12:42 AM

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By the way was there any goodbye message on Meta for David Fullerton? I saw the ones for Shog and Robert Cartaino, and I guess a resignation letter on Jon Ericson's blog

couldn't find anything on David

Sha-Na-Na Live @ Woodstock 1969 At The Hop .mpg

1:22 AM

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At Woodstock, they were about 5 years too early for a 50s revival band. But some of the crowd seemed to appreciate them. :)

@PM2Ring The woodstocks are just weird (granted I've only been to one and it was like #25 or something)

Though watching Hendrix's two-hour performance is still awesome

@LinkBerest It is. I have the Hendrix Woodstock CD, but I haven't listened to it in a while. I need to migrate more of my CDs to MP3...

Have anyone ever went into a chat room and see that their gravatar is not in the box? I'm in that situation at the time of typing this.

...and now I'm in

I don't use Gravatar. But it's not unusual for there to be Gravatar problems in chat.

Avatar as in profile pic?

any pic.

1:36 AM

Every once and a while when the server response is slow

@AnnZen ^Gravitar FWIW

@PM2Ring I finally finished doing that last year - though I think I still have the odd "best of" CDs that I still need to transfer (esp. my Queen, Who, and Bowie stuff as those are starting to show some age and I don't want to lose the music)

@Rubiksmoose I don't have that option i think.

Yeah no idea if it is universal or anything, but that is what PM was talking about.

gravatar is on by default (not a privilege)

Though there might be some "locale" settings based on region (meaning outside of SE's control)

1:46 AM

No gravatar option

@Rubiksmoose How did you make your picture by the way?

@user1271772 Someone in RPG chat made it for me actually. After a couple mangled attempts by me XD

@Rubiksmoose Haha

There's also CowperKettle:

Q: No Gravatar option when editing profile picture, only on Programmers SE

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First of all, my profile picture on Programmers SE has changed by itself. If I recall correctly, the moment I clicked on the edit link, or when I made a change in one of the fields (not sure), the picture just changed by itself to what appeared to be Identicon. On other sites, if I try to change...

@user1271772 Fantastic lol

1:58 AM

Is SO the only site that has an extra tab (Developer Story) for user's profiles?

Yes, at least so far

(there is talk of adding Jobs to other technical sites so presumably you'll see it on SU, SF, and others soon-ish)

Lucky users.

shrug I don't use Careers (or Jobs or whatever they are calling it) - its not great for people with traditional CVs. I've heard its nice for freelancers, open-source people, and new programmers though (as I don't use - I cannot confirm this)

@AnnZen Well, it's tied in with Careers / Jobs. You can read the details here: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/314636/4014959

Ah, good old bluefeet

another CM that is sorely missed

Catija

2:12 AM

... She's still here... just not a CM.

I know - I stand by my statement

Though that's not to say you or other CMs are doing a poor job (sorry if it sounds that way) but more there used to be more of y'all and its still a bit of a sore point

@user1271772 chat.meta.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting

Catija

I think you'd miss her more if she weren't fixing all the stuff that Nick breaks.

:D

Catija

🤣

2:21 AM

es verdad

2:35 AM

Demasiados cocineros arruinan el caldo

I haven't got a "Thanks! The consensus is: this post Requires Editing." message in Triage in ages!

almost no posts "require editing"

because if they do you should just edit it

Almost no posts "looks ok"

because there's always room for edits.

kidding ^

Unsalvageable should be the default choice if the only person who can fix it is the OP (cause that means it needs details or focus or .... add close reason here)

or possibly "skip" if your unsure

Theu really need to change the wording of "requires editing" - its really unclear verbage

I mean the FAQ spells it out pretty well why its verbage is that way as well as the "new" guidance but I just don't think it works in practice

A: How does the Triage queue work?

2:53 AM

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The primary goal of Triage is to quickly sort potentially-problematic posts into categories that can be routed elsewhere. Many people have expressed confusion over how to use Triage, as the queue has evolved considerably over time. Here are some rules of thumb based on the review options availabl...

If there's something incorrect, edit the answer.

@LinkBerest LOL I was just about to post some of those links. :) That wording has tripped up a lot of people.

@Rob Its not incorrect, its just "requires editing" is a bad name. Like I just looked at a question (java) with the only code being an if (???) based on a CSV file which the person had not included any fields, example, schema - nothing but its a CSV file of players and it had my flag and 3 "requires editing"

Looks OK for questions that can be found, understood and answered as-is
Requires Editing for questions that you can make clear and answerable by editing
Unsalvageable for questions that cannot or should not be answered and must therefore be removed from the site
Skip if you are not sure and want to go to the next question

... technically there was a bunch of class definition code (imports and such) but that was just noise in this case

@Rob yep, your point? Mine is people don't read that and "requires editing" is unclear as a name/label

@PM2Ring I remember there being a bunch more but I think I might just be adding ones from the other sites I frequent (where this is just as much of an issue)

Yeah, misunderstanding "requires editing" happens across the network.

3:02 AM

So, if you (and maybe the OP, depending on their experience) could make the question clear by editing then that's what you choose; don't polish a turd is unsalvageable, looks OK should be understood. Next up is what you should do, skip.

.... again, I know the answer there (nobody but OP has access to the CSV that the entire question hinges on so it is unsalvageable - which I clicked and added a comment to include that data in this cause I'm trying to help). Are you saying that "requires editing" is clear to you? (I'm generally confused by your responses)

So, skip.

why would I skip?

The "requires editing" option can apply to the OP, but it's primarily intended to mean that a sufficiently knowledgeable community member can fix it without making changes that conflict with the author's intent without being a mind-reader.

Again, I understand that others (who don't know java) should skip but in this case the only person who can make the question answerable would be the OP (unless my crystal ball starts working) so it should be unsalvageable

And definitely not "requires editing" (which is what 3 others picked)

3:08 AM

does skip add to the maximum reviews per day?

skip just skips - it neither adds nor subtracts anything

@LinkBerest heh, I was having this conversation earlier :D

the problem is/wasn't that we were having CMs move to other parts of the company, it was that they weren't topped up

a CM who moves to be a dev or SRE is going to have a deeper knowledge of the community's needs

which is positive

the problem is 1) We didn't really replace the ones who moved to other parts of the company

yeah, you cannot promote without re-filling the position and that just never happened here

2) that SE's CM track's ... unusual, and more so now

since its too small to have a CM org, or specialised cms

You know, I've come to hate picking "is a duplicate" because I know that auto-comment will end up with me having a full inbox of OP arguing its not a duplicate even though they select an answer which was copied from the duplicate I linked to

Its almost not worth it anymore

3:21 AM

lol

Another difficulty is - by gutting the CM org + other things, unless someone really wants the job, hiring from the community is going to be a lot harder

yeah, I saw a few message indicating that people (cough and dogs cough) who were considering applying for it .... stopped considering

@LinkBerest I'm still interested, but in the "it probably pays more than what I do now, and I set my own hours, I'm here anyway and maybe I can help fix things" kinda way

heh, you were not the only one (and my memory on that is fuzzy cause the whole of Meta was on fire at the time so forgive me if I'm a bit mistaken there :)

FWIW, I think you'd make a terrific CM if you ever did become one (not that I have any say at all in that ;)

On the other hand, there's gotta be actual openings, and obviously, I've already applied twice so...

Part of the decision isn't mine

@LinkBerest thanks - but it probably needs a bit more miracles than I'm confident of :D

lol ... bunch of C# questions have the Rust tag cause people are working on Rust mods

3:37 AM

As the old joke goes, apparently the hardest part about getting a job for me is sneaking past HR. Probably cause I'm a dog.

(I've literally never gotten a job the 'normal' way)

My last two jobs (including professorship I've held for 3 years now): I received an automated HR email saying that I was "not chosen" only to be called by the actual manager (or dean) for an interview

I randomly got called by a former employer if I wanted this job. I worked for them 3 months before on a short contact via a unemployment fair. 'Worked' for my family business for 5 years, one job via a referral 😁

....actually, come to think of it. I only every truly did the "traditional path" on my very first job (when I was 16). Even then, hiring a 16 year old as the new technician was kinda strange

Lots of ghosting, a few interesting rejections (Github won't hire outside a few countries), AWS went through the whole process and went with someone else...

Github has an actual human respond

SE has a form letter, and an actual person responded as well the second rejection :D

in fact, I only got hired because one of the tasks they asked about was fixing a broken check reader (it was truly broken, magnet didn't work which is not repairable) and I was the only one who ask if we had another one with a broken motor so I could make 1 working one out of 2 broken ones

@JourneymanGeek ugh...I hate when you get through the whole process and then nothing (I went through the whole process - up to getting employee badge - for a mathematics professorship only to have the course dropped at the last moment)

3:53 AM

At least I got that far ;D

was a data center engineer role, which would have been a lot more interesting than what I do now

... meanwhile

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so...

I already work for this company through a vendor

I applied for my own job so I can get converted to a direct hire

note, my fondest memory of working for that company (I worked at my first job for 6 years before military for 6 years) was when I had to do a mandatory "career fair" at the high school and one of the recruiters had no response when my answer to "how would you like to start as a help desk operator? its a great path to become a full technician!" was "I am a technician"

lol

@JourneymanGeek heh...that was the second example (my last two jobs - i.e. my current jobs). Had worked as a contractor/freelance - now I just work here :)

Came after HR rejected me for not knowing Scala ... which is interesting because all the architecture is written in Java (some Python) :P