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3:13 PM
is this status completed or declined? meta.stackexchange.com/q/64450/773001
 
Declined in 2010, implemented in 2017.
 
Rob
@AnnZen Spe's answer is correct; for more information: meta.stackexchange.com/q/297299/282094
 
@Rob I knew about that. I just didn't understand the way you worded it, but now i do.
@Mithical how come there are still many posts that use them?
 
Rob
The comma plays a big part in the reading, maintaining partial context with the precedent.
 
@AnnZen People used to think URL shorteners are kewl. Some still do.
But if it was ever kewl to hide stuff behind another small link that's probably going to bombard you with fishy ads, there's no reason to do it in an SE post
 
Rob
3:21 PM
*Kewal :)
 
Is it necessary to edit them out when I see one?
 
If it links to somewhere fishy (as in, it's a spam link) then flag as spam!
Otherwise... eh.
People should generally just link directly.
 
Regardless of whether the link is safe or unsafe, should I replace the link with the result from the link expander as an edit?
 
@AnnZen Sure, but ideally not as the only reason for an edit
 
Pretty much what M.A.R. said - If you have other substantial edits to make, sure. Otherwise... Eh, no reason to only replace the link.
 
Rob
3:25 PM
@AnnZen That doesn't seem like a good idea, does it?
 
It might get rejected by someone whose stance on shorteners isn't that clear. You should avoid getting into a long boring debate on whether the edit makes the post any easier to edit yadda yadda
 
Rob
> Editor Stats - Ann Zen had 15 edit suggestions approved, and 16 edit suggestions rejected
 
Edits should cause as small a fuss as they can.
 
should?
 
@Rob Well let's go James Bond on that
 
3:27 PM
@AnnZen If the link is unsafe (as in, it's spam) don't edit spam posts. See this Q&A for more info on why ;)
 
@AnnZen Must, ought to, whichever modal you like
 
If the link is unsafe (as in, it's pornography or other abusive content) then just flag as Rude or Abusive. Those posts get deleted very quickly.
 
@M.A.R. ? So edits must cause a fuss?
 
eh, he said the opposite
 
@AnnZen I'm saying the fuss should be as minimal as possible. Edits should be as quiet as possible
 
Rob
3:29 PM
@M.A.R. Tell 'em Jim
 
Rob likes his vodka martinis shaken, not stirred.
 
@M.A.R. oh, i must've misread.
 
meta.stackexchange.com/questions/350918/… — What's wrong with this edit is "favour" is not wrong, it's British, and it shouldn't have been edited. "on" and "in" are both used for meta folks, so it's just not substantial, this edit @Ann
 
Rob
 
@Rob nu u
 
Rob
3:32 PM
snu any?
 
@Ann I took a cursory look at your rejected edits, and they tend to either be very minor, or change something that they shouldn't. Edits require more effort than that. On Chem.SE, my edits sometimes took a whopping 30 minutes to submit
 
Rob
 
Grammar-only edits are certainly possible, but they're desirable mostly only in posts that need them. When I'm understanding the guy perfectly, I don't much care how well they worded their post, especially on a meta.SE where the goal isn't to propagate knowledge
 
can users see how much rep a suspended user had before suspension on their profile?
 
@AnnZen Not as far as I can tell.
 
3:39 PM
@AnnZen The rep tab probably works (?)
 
@M.A.R. you mean doing math?
 
the rep graph
 
@AnnZen Ummm... Sort of. If I look at your profile, I can see your rep graph. I dunno at what point in your rep history that was snapshotted, but I believe that is frozen until your rep is recalculated when your suspension ends.
 
@MetaAndrewT. users under 200 rep don't get on the graph
 
@MetaAndrewT. ah yes!
 
3:40 PM
Take that with a grain of salt though, not entirely sure how that all works.
 
People usually don't care much about a suspension, unless the person made some noise in some meta, or was this old-timer with tons of answers and rep
 
@AnnZen rep graph show 10251 if you hover over the right hand end
 
@DavidPostill users under 200 rep don't get to see the graph
 
are you sure? because I can see the graph without being logged on (incognito)
 
@AnnZen {shrug}
 
3:44 PM
There's probably a SEDE query they could run, but I think your answer is the graph or that there is simply no easy way to do it.
 
Again, not many people care about most of the suspensions
 
It's been said before though, people rarely care how much rep a suspended person has.
 
Rob
@AnnZen We can see that you had ~10.4K on SO, and 16 pages of answers scoring 0 or less; half your answers.
 
@Rubiksmoose Wayback machine is another option
 
oh yes! there is always that
 
3:46 PM
@Rob Conclusion: I post answers to help.
 
Rob
Result: unappreciated.
 
@Rob plenty of users can't vote.
 
@AnnZen Oof, before this devolves into a philosophical discussion of why helping one person might be at the expense of every other person's enjoyment of a site, I think I wanna go study for some exam
@Mith here will voluntarily explain it all in a very concise manner:
 
@M.A.R. me too, probably by coloring a murder documentary book
 
3:48 PM
status-volunteered
 
Rob
Yes, let's not have a bout of ideasthesia.
 
Happy murdering
 
Rep numbers, suspended no numbers.
 
Or coloring
 
@MetaAndrewT. you have over 101 on other sites.
 
3:49 PM
(where's my pink crayon...)
 
I can see rep graphs while logged out, to be fair.
 
Rob
Black pudding ...
 
@Spevacus your rep graph?
 
rep graphs is public for anyone
 
@AnnZen anyone's rep graph. They're public, I think
 
3:51 PM
 
Isn't that network-wide?
You have also a graph on every site
 
@AnnZen no, the per-site profile
 
Nah, we're talking about this. I made the circle as freehand as possible :D
 
long time never seen such a beautiful freehand circle
 
@Spevacus Kartoffel
Dangit
 
3:54 PM
One of those spellings :D
 
Sppelings
 
@M.A.R. "helping one person might be at the expense of every other person's enjoyment of a site" I don't see how helping someone will be at the expense of every other person :/
@Spevacus Oh, I see. This?
 
it's easy to not see the damage something causes if the damage is so minor that it would take several thousand of them to cause any meaningful difference
 
@AnnZen So . . . basically, an argument every single person that's headed in the opposite direction than an SE site's curators brings up sooner or later is "I'm just helping the poor soul, the post might have terrible grammar and be solved on a whim if they cared to google the title of the post and is the 589th duplicate of something, but THEY ARE HUMAN! THERE ARE NO STUPID QUESTIONS! AN EYE FOR AN EYE MAKES THE WORLD BLIND! THERE ARE TWO LIMITLESS THINGS: THE UNIVERSE, AND HU you get the point
 
@AnnZen Yep!
 
3:58 PM
but when you get several thousand such answers occuring weekly, daily, the problem becomes not so minor
 
And the blanket response is SE can either be a helpdesk, or a library of knowledge, not both. Because there are stupid things and there are stupid people, as opposed to smart. If you call a question smart, you have to call a question on the opposite extreme stupid.
But, the result is, few years later, when someone has a real problem, they reflect on themselves "that site! What a dump! Spent a whole hour trying to find the post with the canon answer, but failed" and then apocalypse and stuff
 
go back to study...
 
Didn't you find your pink crayon
 
@AnnZen I'm under 200 on SO and can see rep graphs of other users. Oh I see. You have to have 200 rep to have a rep graph maybe?
 
Ant ate eat
 
4:02 PM
Can users over 10K rep see deleted answers on other's rep timeline?
:8474181 ?
 
@Rubiksmoose You're an exotic species
A cuboidal moose
 
@Rubiksmoose wrong link
and yes
 
yes
 
@Rubiksmoose It looks rather flat. I'm afraid you're dead, but you don't know it yet.
Like those ghost movies.
Ugh, terrible movies.
 
4:06 PM
@M.A.R. get a crash cart. stat!
 
Except that one with Witherspoon and Ruffalo. Too harmlessly enigmatic actor/resses.
 
@AnnZen So must not be a 200 rep issue then :) Unless it is network rep.
@AnnZen I don't think so.
 
@Rubiksmoose Now you're gonna try touching the wall and see your hand goes through
 
@AnnZen AFAIK no. In general, 10k can only see deleted post it's on the current page, or they know the link
 
@M.A.R. But what if I'm dead and this is all a dream?
 
4:08 PM
Just Like Heaven. I very rarely like Romance, but this one was difficult to hate
 
don't get all philosophical on me now
 
Dreaming of electrical sheep?
 
Is it on purpose that users under 10K rep cannot click on the link of their deleted answer on their rep tab, but they can still view them if they have the link?
 
@Rubiksmoose Try the totem TRY THE TOTEM!
You're waiting for a train. One that will take you far far away. You don't know where it's gonna take you, but still come with me because OUCH THAT TRAIN HIT MY HEAD IT HURT
 
It's by-design that deleted posts can only be seen for 60 days since... the deletion? the post time?
 
4:10 PM
@AnnZen Deleted posts disappear from your history after 60 days, but if you ever stumble upon them again, you'd be able to see them with any rep level
 
Though 10k can search for their deleted posts by using user:me deleted:1 search keyword
 
@M.A.R. Is it on purpose that users under 10K rep cannot click on the link of their deleted answer?
 
Uh, no. That should be the mouse's fault
 
because if so, there is no point, as they can google the title and get the link.
 
What do you mean, it throws a 404?
@AnnZen Can they?
 
4:12 PM
yes
 
Some things are designed so folks can't readily reach them, but a tenacious one might.
 
are deleted questions indexed?
by the googles?
 
@Rubiksmoose ?
@Rubiksmoose ?
 
I guess she meant if the question is still there, only the answer is deleted
 
There are easily instructions on how to game badges, and generally do some unethical stuff. But the normal user can't find them
 
4:13 PM
@MetaAndrewT. no
 
Search engines usually drop the rank for 404 pages, including deleted questions
 
@MetaAndrewT. Well given the response above I'm very confused about that.
 
I'm confused as usual... will fuse the con for a while...
 
Rob
🧠📖
 
Sorry if this is confusing, will this clear things?
Here, you can see the titles aren't links, they are plain text, so I won't be able to click on them and have a look. Is that on purpose? If so, it doesn't work, as I can google the exact titles, and find the links.
 
4:19 PM
@AnnZen Sooo this is kind of a side point, but are you self-removing all those answers? Are they questions or answers?
 
@Rubiksmoose no. you can see who deleted those if you have the link, and have over 10K rep
 
@AnnZen ah ok. I don't. Not on SO.
 
Rob
A moderator?
 
@Rob ***
 
These are your answers?
 
4:23 PM
Looks like a serious case of serial upvoting...
 
@MetaAndrewT. can you explain why?
 
what looked odd to me was the number of incidents of voting reversals/user removed in your short rep history. that's not an indication that you did something wrong, it's just... odd. I've had a few of those over the years, but never that many in a 60 day timespan.
 
@AnnZen whoa there. How about we step that back eh? We're trying to help you. Nobody is trying to mislead.
 
@user400654 The reversals are all downvotes being reversed, right? Or are you seeing something different?
 
Rob
@MetaAndrewT. They appear to be downvoted, overall, how many "upvotes" they have I can not see.
 
4:26 PM
No, most of them were upvote reversals
since you lost rep in those events
 
@user400654 can you show me?
 
@user400654 That was a user removed.
 
When a user is removed, often their votes are also reversed.
 
We mods are familiar with such serial upvoting cases already, this is certainly not the first time we have seen it...
 
4:28 PM
waffles
 
Well, I commented my concern of all those user removed messages in the SO chat room before, and a mod told me not to worry, as they had nothing to do with me.
 
@AnnZen We can't comment on conversations we were not part of.
 
Also, downvotes cost -2 while upvotes give 10, so the reversal will be... the reverse of the value.
 
@AnnZen In that screenshot you show the question is deleted. That is a question you had an answer on.
 
we can't see any more than you can here, less even, but from this PoV that does look very irregular. clearly, they have evidence that some form of voting fraud occurred. If you believe none did, then the only other possibilities are 1: the evidence is just coincidental, or 2: someone else at your location is voting on your posts.
 
4:31 PM
@rene the point was, i still can.
"google"
 
And lastly, I don't suspect you for doing it, just that it's a fact that it's a case of serial upvoting, done by whoever
 
either way, the suspension will be gone soon, and hopefully you'll get more info so you can possibly correct whatever caused it
or maybe some fan of yours is voting on your posts
who knows
could be a lot of things
 
@AnnZen Which SO chat room? The Python room?
 
@PM2Ring not there
 
Rob
Votes can be up or down for: like, dislike, don't care - including for the correct reason. Serial upvoting rips huge chunks of rep out of many accounts when the sock gets caught years (months?) later.
 
4:36 PM
@AnnZen Ok. I'm sorry to hear about your suspension. But at least it will be lifted in a couple of days.
 
Here is the message, and the events didn't stop there.
 
@AnnZen they removed what, like comment ?
 
@yagmoth555 no
 
yeah, that was me, and i stand by that. if you're doing nothing wrong, you shouldn't need to worry about being actioned against.
 
@user400654 which was you?
 
4:40 PM
<-- kevin
 
haha
 
@AnnZen Maybe people who know you from your YouTube channel or Facebook Python stuff have been upvoting your answers. Do you think that's a possibility?
 
if you talk your MSE question, some time a user love another and go upvote a lot of his answers. It's problematic to say the least, as It give a flag to a mod and bring you under scrutiny, but, if a ban occur there was a doubt the one that upvoted is linked with you. Invistagating in a more good way, as a CM, not with the tool the mod got, would take more than the 7 days suspension period you had. It's the problem there, having more CM could probably help
 
4:58 PM
Evening!
@Ann I'd appreciate it if you could drop the topic of being suspended now, and not start any conversations that circle back to that same thing time and time again.
 
Afternoon!
 
@PM2Ring no. I didn't share the fact that i have a SO account.
 
As for the rest of the room, they can rest assured Ann has had plenty of replies already about how to handle appeals and stuff, and there's no need to discuss anything further.
@Spevacus Only afternoon there? Woah.
 
@Tinkeringbell ok. apparently, I didn't start this one
 
I should have bought pink crayons at that time...
 
5:01 PM
@Tinkeringbell Eastern US. 1PM here ;D
 
@Spevacus Woah. So far behind!
:P
 
Oh we're doing this now, eh? In that case... Tell me what the future's like, @Tink 2020 can't get much worse... right?
 
@Spevacus The future here is too bright.
A bit less sun would be appreciated.
It's also noisy, expect some neigbors using power tools in the evening ;)
 
It's been quite warm here as well...
Heh... C'mon, people should know that power tool fun time ends in the evening.
 
Rob
@Tinkeringbell It all depends on your point of view:
 
5:04 PM
Oh, and have you ever heard of Tokkies?
 
@Tinkeringbell Nope, that term's entirely foreign to me.
 
Rob
 
@Spevacus Named after a family that was on TV in 2004/2005, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokkie. Basically, Onslow/Daisy/Rose from Keeping up appearances?
Well, we have neighbors like that and their daughter + her 4 screaming machines just moved in with them.
Seriously, I'm amazed those kids still have vocal cords at all.
 
It's only 10° here, but at least we've had a couple of days without rain.
 
@Rob that looks like a solar eclipse...
 
Rob
5:07 PM
Bébé's Kids
@MetaAndrewT. That's where the Sun shines. 😙
The antipole 🤭
A live view of the Sun's location.
 
@Tinkeringbell Oof. I don't envy you that, hahaha.
 
@Tinkeringbell But that's not the same as the Flodder family, is it?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Almost, they're similar enough :)
 
Only 1 was purely fictional and the other... yeah.
 
5:11 PM
@Rob There's also a moon behind the sun?
 
Rob
Doubtful
 
:)
But yeah, it'll be New Moon in about 20 minutes. 17:32 UTC
 
Rob
5:31 PM
@MetaAndrewT. It's the sublunar point: timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/light.html
 
TIL sublunar
 
Rob
Moonshine, were it the Sun 🥃
 
The plane of the Moon's orbit precesses with a rather short cycle of 18.6 years. So the motion of the sublunar point is rather more complex than that of the subsolar point. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_precession for details & various diagrams.
 
5:50 PM
@Rob Erm "21 June 2020 Annular Solar Eclipse"
We are now in July in case you hadn't noticed ...
> Will you be able to see the next eclipse? 132 days 13 hrs 40 mins 18 secs
 
@DavidPostill Dang! Since when?!
 
Since July, 1st I guess?
 
Rob
The last hour's conversation was about the alignment, for the most recent it could have been good enough for him; and as the diagram shows, not elsewhere. There was no suggestion to ping him tomorrow, if that's what your getting at.
 
We can still do that: Hey, you missed it by a month ....
 
Rob
ELL
 
6:00 PM
Bot suggestion: ping random people that they missed eclipses by x amount of time, even ones they weren't alive for.
2
 
Rob
If I say did you see the Eiffel Tower it doesn't necessarily mean that you are within viewing distance ATM.
 
@Rob "might see" != "did you see"
 
@Rob BTW my comment above wasn't a shot at you, just something mildly humorous I thought of.
 
6:45 PM
How come whenever I open this question without logging in, I get automatically redirected to the duplicate it's linked to?
 
@AnnZen Guests are automatically redirected to duplicate targets. Logged-in users are not.
 
because it doesn't have an upvoted answer
 
It's to make it easier for passers-by to get right to the answer, rather than having them navigate to the dupe target in the post notice.
 
Rob
@DavidPostill The image is an incorrect example of that proverb: golf.com/news/…
 
oh
 
6:55 PM
Hey Ollie! :)
(don't mind us, we're just barging in from another room ;) )
 
@Tinkeringbell, hello again. So this is the main chatroom?
 
Yep!
This is where people talk about... everything? Don't ask. Some of the topics are gross :P
 
Question: What's on-topic here?
Answer: What... isn't? :P
 
It gets sticky in here sometimes
 
Another Question: What isn't?
 
6:57 PM
How isn't?
 
@Spevacus, sorry the answer to your Question :)
 
@Ollie Oh, there's a few things in here that generally get moderated, but we'll let you know when they come up instead of keeping a list. It's easier ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell I'll bet.
 
Looking at the tags... ummm... crickets and waffles are on-topic!
 
Most of them are discussions that just go in circles and turn a bit more sour with every turn ;)
 
6:58 PM
I prefer the latter :)
 
The room owners visibly tense up when you start doing weird things. They're very obvious about it ;D
 
@MetaAndrewT. Any support for changing waffles with stroopwafels yet?
 
That's something you can do unilaterally ;p
 
@Spevacus What do you mean, I'm not tense rapidly pumps stress ball
 
@MetaAndrewT. Hmm. I have to take a calculated risk here, I don't want any more angry meta posts about me!
 
7:01 PM
@Tinkeringbell But what about the very vocal anti-waffle sect in chat that will write angry things if you don't change it?
 
@Rubiksmoose That's moderation for you :) I suppose I could change it for brussels-sprouts and disappoint everyone.
 
Pancakes are great and all... but do they really have anything on waffles?
 
Anti-waffle? Insanity...
 
@Tinkeringbell Damned if you do...: The moderator story
 
@Everyone, I'll be leaving now...Goodbye!
 
7:03 PM
Later!
 
Rob
@MetaAndrewT. Yet clicking on crickets is 404
 
> I walk a lonely road
The only one that I have ever known
@Ollie See you soon!
(quick, everyone reply to that and make him think the @everyone actually worked XD :P)
 
lol
 
Imagine if @everyone actually pinged everyone who's ever connected to the chatroom.
 
7:04 PM
the horror
 
true despair
 
Rob
or @@ created a black hole.
 
@Tinkeringbell Ollie as a girl's name (also used as a boy's name), is related to the Latin name Olivia.
 
@AnnZen In this case, I know for sure I should use he/him. Ollie told me in another room just now :)
 
Rob
🚨
 
7:09 PM
Santa hat?
 
Gum drop?
 
Alarm light?
 
Siren? Big red button?
 
Bowl of red jello?
 
Rob
Broken plunger
 
7:10 PM
lava lamp?
 
up-side-down flower pot?
 
Oh. That reminds me I should put a lava lamp on my list.
 
the head of a shiny Bellsprout?
 
🚽
 
Rob
 
7:11 PM
i knew it XD
@Tinkeringbell Can I see?
 
🚑
 
@AnnZen ? You don't trust me?
chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/1498/… < that's the room we were in before we went here :)
 
I'm not about to go in a room ^^
Nevermind anyway.
 
That's okay. You can take my word for it too :)
 
@Tinkeringbell Yes, but did you have the PW86-134ab Gender/Pronoun Identification Form filled out and filled in triplicate?
 
7:14 PM
Nope. Everyone is they/them unless stated otherwise + remembered ;)
Which probably puts the burden of filing in triplicate on Ollie, since I have some memory leaks.
 
hehehe yes indeed.
@Tinkeringbell Memory leaks are definitely a different form.
I'd tell you what it is, but I forgot.
 
Ah. A classic. Glad you remembered it.
 
Oh, you.
 
At first I felt strange using they/them as singular pronouns. I'm used to it now, but still have some issues with that.
Like, for example, I say "they downvoted my post". It could make other users think I made a bad post, and many people downvoted, when I only meant one.
 
@AnnZen In that case, you can use 'someone' :)
or 'the user'
If you really want to make it clear it was just 1 person. But most people will be able to see/recognize that too themselves :)
 
7:19 PM
they seems pretty clear to me
context is everything
 
Yep, that's also true.
 
@Tinkeringbell Yeah, but when the paragraph gets long, it could be a bit repetitive.
 
@AnnZen Like user said, most of it is context then. If there's one someone/user somewhere, not many people will read the following they/them as plural.
 
@Tinkeringbell I wish a new word would be made.
 
Some people do. I find it only makes things more complicated, but that's probably because English isn't my native language anyways. I'm more easily using they/them as singular than the Dutch hen/hun
 
Rob
7:24 PM
@Tinkeringbell Yes, you shortchanged them by merely saying "he":youtu.be/eJlXansKCZ4
 
@Rob I think when our current King got married there was a bit with titles too... that was longer ;)
 
Rob
I tried to find a lengthy one, within a reasonable amount of time; no point coming back an hour or two later - hey!, check this out ...
 
Hahaha
I can't find one of the King's titles either, so it's probably best.
 
Rob
I tried to find the Monty Python one, "... Yorkshire of cheddar, knight of Freecastle, Earl of Northington, ..." 5 minutes later.
 
Heh. That'd confuse me even more, I haven't ever watched that :)
 
Rob
7:37 PM
He left, just as it was about to get good.
 
;) Better get out while you're still popular/famous/whatever ;)
 
Yes, definitely he/him, @everyone. Hello again.
 
Hi!
 
@O did I ping you?
... guess not.
 
@AnnZen, no, I popped in a few seconds ago. Tea time, you know.
 
7:52 PM
I see.
?
 
there's probably some minimum number of characters that need to be in your @ for it to result in a highlight
for an actual ping, it has to be full
 
@user400654, yes.
 
@use I think just three actually pings too?
 
@user4
 
just highlights
 
7:54 PM
Or @Tinker
 
Yeah, but the minimum is three IIRC
 
@Mithical, you did the poetry contest?
 
@user400654 It doesn't create a ping and a notification?
 
i actually have the sounds disabled, so i wouldn't be able to tell the difference
 
'cause... I know it does for me
 
7:55 PM
but non-full @'s don't create an inbox notification
 
In order for three characters to work, however, the user needs to have chatted in the last 48 hours. If they haven't (but have chatted in the last 7 days), you must use the full username.
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog to ping/inbox notification you mean?
 
Unless the full username is only 2 chars...
 
@PM2Ring The system doesn't allow such usernames
 
7:57 PM
The minimum is 3.
 
I had forgotten that there was any difference in short mention and full mentioning... but I was fairly certain that 3 characters does notify/ping.
 
I guess there may be a few holdovers from when this wasn't enforced, but you can't set such a name today
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog Ok
 
Why don't we get notifications from removed comments?
 
@AnnZen, why would you?
 
8:04 PM
more often than not that would cause problems, not fix them
 
@Ollie Well, someone may post a comment, and later see it's not there, and think they forgot to press send, and post it again, and repeat, and that's why.
 
 
@Ollie yes
 
8:20 PM
Good evening, y'all.
 
Are the feeds supposed to be funny, or are they something else?
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardWearingMask It's up.
 
@Tinkeringbell This pinged me. Please don't!
 
@AnnZen somtimes
the best part is often the tooltip you get when you hover over it
 
@AnnZen It's a comic. It's not as funny as it used to be in the old days, IMHO. Try xkcd.com/353 & xkcd.com/163
If you're on mobile, there's a mobile site, eg m.xkcd.com/349
Perhaps the most loved xkcd is this series:
 
Rob
8:40 PM
@Feeds You're doing it wrong:
 

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