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@Dharman short answer: history auto hides deletions on history after a certain period of time and also its basically by design. I don't know if the specifics are ever completely laid out (and again I would assume that is on purpose)

Ann Zen

@LinkBerest 1 day is less than 60

@LinkBerest On your profile says "deleted main account". How much rep was on it before it was deleted?

LinkBerest

1:05 AM

On SO ? this amount (I didn't use my main account on SO when I started - made this on later to test out SO in relation to teaching - liked worldbuilding with it so kept it over the original).

Ann Zen

yes

LinkBerest

....yes? huh? I answered: on SO - its whatever I have right now (I really don't care). I didn't start on SO - I started on Information Security and stats (cross validated) - I deleted the account I used on them (to be fair I've also just been much less active in general & I think Link ended up having way more rep on this site)

Ann Zen

Did you delete any account where the rep is higher than the rep on the corresponding sock puppet account?

LinkBerest

wasn't a sock puppet

Journeyman Geek

@LinkBerest a lot of folks never started on SO :D

Ann Zen

1:11 AM

what about "deleted main account and only keeping this sock puppet"

Journeyman Geek

@AnnZen some people have alternate accounts

LinkBerest

just had two accounts (didn't want name attached at first because people at work might realize it was me) but I used sock puppet because that was the quickest way to explain it in a profile

Journeyman Geek

"Sock Puppet" kinda means you're using it to get around restrictions

Dharman

@LinkBerest Not really what I was looking for. I would like to know which parts of rep history are available to me and which don't.

Journeyman Geek

I use a second account at work cause I don't want my mod account on a PC I don't control ._.

Ann Zen

1:12 AM

@Dharman It must be really late for you now.

Dharman

2am

LinkBerest

also didn't think anyone would look at a profile honestly (I rarely do - though I use activity a lot when looking for posts by people sometimes)

@Dharman oh, rep history over deletion stuff....might know where that is (if I find I'll link) but its similar if I remember

Ann Zen

I though sock puppet account is now a known way of saying alternate account.

LinkBerest

^ why I used it - but not the proper term

again - I started on information security. where there is a clear definition of "sock puppet" :)

@JourneymanGeek I see your robot self on there from time to time but yeah. I used superuser a lot back in the day - stupid windows - so finding SO was actually really late for me (as far as my use of SE as a whole is concerned)

on the opposite side: once I found SO I found chat and I've never stopped chatting :)

Ann Zen

@LinkBerest What do you think makes SE chat systems special?

LinkBerest

1:22 AM

@AnnZen InfoSecurity.SE definition of sock puppets

It replaces IRC? Nothing really - just really fun people (and puppies) around that make it worth using

Ann Zen

irc?

LinkBerest

Internet Relay Chat (an old chat thing we used to use in the 90s)

Journeyman Geek

It's basically web based IRC with the only reply system that makes sense 😁

Rob

1:51 AM

yesterday, by Tinkeringbell

@Rubiksmoose Wet socks? :P

LinkBerest

@JourneymanGeek you are correct sir! :)

I still remember many hours on Undernet trying to figure out problems with our Linux/Unix systems (then Open Projects then Freenode...but I kinda moved to slashdot and Perlmonks a little after that)

Journeyman Geek

2:12 AM

Practically the closest modern equivalent of IRC is matrix but it's newish and still in active development

LinkBerest

well, sure. If you ignore all the IRC channels that still exist (I think Freenode still exists even)

Aibobot

but there's a lot to be said for replies as lazy threading, as opposed to slack's full threading/subroom system and replies being quotes + replies

@LinkBerest IRC isn't modern. :D

which for many purposes isn't a bad thing

LinkBerest

@Aibobot for certain definitions of "modern" ;)

Aibobot

but the barrier for entry is high.

LinkBerest

I mean I just saw an AD for helping me learn "modern Cobol" and about fell out of my chair laughing

Aibobot

2:16 AM

you need to run a server + a compatible services package. There's no default web client...

LinkBerest

yeah, I had to adjust my expectations of what new programmers will know when I started teaching because I came from a generation where anyone who was interest in technology had to have a much higher knowledge just to use standard tools like IRC (versus opening a browser and clicking a few things)

Aibobot

Services can be a single point of failure

also, compared to running an IRC server (which I have done a few times) running matrix is pretty clean :D

@LinkBerest ugh, or just wget -0 foo.sh | bash or running a docker container

they have their place but it feels like no one wants to read or write documentation

LinkBerest

So the fact that new programmers have trouble using GitHub within an IDE is sometimes hard for me to appreciate as difficult.

considering the version controls I grew up on including just raw git commands if I was lucky - oh, dear god the custom version controls! The horror...... the horror

Aibobot

lol

I probably forgot what little git I used to know :(

LinkBerest

I forget and re-remember git about once a week

Ann Zen

2:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek @Aibobot Double ping?

Aibobot

you can ping either if you know I'm here

otherwise I'll get around to it

LinkBerest

we had one system (on unix) which used to make a backup of each file when you called it based on the system time (would save: <filename.extension>.<currentdatetime>) ... but the person somehow made it a 12 hour clock instead of a 24 hour clock so if you saved something at 11am and 11pm (cause IT never works nights when systems go down) everything would be over-written

..... We discovered this when working late....after over-writing the 11am save....then realized that was the one we needed to revert to

Aibobot

oh, current job is also all sorts of fun, and covered under all sorts of TLAs ._.

LinkBerest

well some parts of the software industry will never change :)

Aibobot

2:51 AM

@LinkBerest the joys of 'enterprise' IT. Well gov IT

Feeds

4:45 AM

Podcast 254: Code Newbie talks education and community on the web

Ben Popper on July 21, 2020

What’s the overlap between a four-year CS degree and the skills you actually need to land your first coding job?

Mithical

5:48 AM

→ 10 messages moved to Chimney

Rob

6:04 AM

@LinkBerest IBM Enterprise COBOL for z/OS runs on the IBM z15 - that's about as modern and powerful as one can get. Financial software, such as banking and credit card applications, medical and travel, runs on COBOL.

HackerRank Article and Wikipedia COBOL says one reason it's used is it runs quickly on Mainframes, probably due to 60 years of tweaking and billions of optimized lines of code.

But, yes it's humorous; also true, there is modern COBOL.

Aibobot

or that its designed for much lower resource machines than modern ones :D

Mithical

7:05 AM

@rene bounty can be awarded

rene

on it

@Mithical done

Mithical

:thumbsup:

Rob

@Aibobot It runs on Raspberry Pi, the free training and waiting jobs is because of the lack of programmers legacy systems can't be upgraded; rewriting everything (and recertification) also would take a long time.

It's a case of: If it isn't broke don't fix it, meets it's broken so fix it.

Mithical

7:24 AM

next up Remy for 200 by @ArtOfCode

Rob

7:54 AM

He could do Remy for a thousand.

Mithical

needs citations

Aibobot

"I'll do remy for 200 Alex"