@SonictheStay-HomeHedgehog Goootcha. Thanks so much for clearing that up.

@SonictheStay-HomeHedgehog among the few things I hate more than mostly pointless notifications pinging off are beyond pointless ones where I've got whatever triggered up and am actively monitoring it, and hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. AS a result I deliberately and very rarely will @ someone. 1/2

@SonictheStay-HomeHedgehog Only if I want a direct reply (I was just soapboxing for the peanut gallery) of if it's been long enough I think it's needed for context (20 minutes, and probably still visible on anything but a tiny screen doesn't qualify here either). 2/2

I get what you mean. Everyone has their own threshold of what pings they accept. I accept (and prefer) pings in such cases, as long as they are not frivolous. Thanks for letting me know your policy.

@SonictheStay-HomeHedgehog you probably know this: low-rep users can see their own deleted questions, but are answers on those hidden to them? That would explain this (and it might make sense to add it to the FAQ).

@Glorfindel They can see answers on those deleted questions, but they can't see answers that were deleted before the question was deleted.

@SonictheStay-HomeHedgehog Thanks, that makes sense. Would that be the reason the '1 answers' is shown in the lister view? Since that's usually the number of non-deleted answers (if you have 10k rep, there might be more answers to see than listed there).

@Glorfindel The answer was deleted on 4-12 and the question was deleted on 4-22. So... probably

caching

A 10-day cache?

A cache clearing bug, perhaps

They do exist

Or it's an edge case that we missed and it doesn't come up that often.

By the way, I noticed moderators are still adding status-review to questions to escalate them for review. The test was marked as ending on April 30, so is that fine?

(Something was wrong with my question mark key. I was cleaning my keyboard earlier and had popped a few keys off, and realized I had mounted the Windows key backwards and it was impeding the question markforward slash key from pressing)

... there's nothing about the test that says you have to stop when the testing period is over.

The period is merely the time we're looking at data for, not the end of the feature's usage.

@Catija thanks. I suppose I could write an answer but it's better if staff does it (I'm not really active there)

@Catija Well, at the time the test was first announced, there were people voting to close my post on how to get attention for questions without employee responses as a duplicate of the test announcement, and I was able to ward those votes off by making it clear that it was labeled as a test and not new, permanent procedure. I guess that's wrong?

Also, the test announcement only mentions the procedure for questions posted "before" and "during" the test period. There's no instructions for "after", so that was a mixed signal.

@SonictheStay-HomeHedgehog The test was to set the goals for the response rates, not to test the process itself.

> One major area we need to work on is being able to respond to and manage community feedback that needs staff response or action. This post defines a process for doing that. We also need to find out how many of your questions we can realistically respond to so that we can make a reasonable commitment (both internally and externally). Below is a timeline for testing and formulating these goals.

@Glorfindel Done

thanks, +1

Gone :)

Thanks!

And good morning!

Morning :)

hey

Hey :)

how's everyone here?

Good! Sprint review meeting over 5 minutes, meaning I don't have to really work for a little while :)

@Magisch I'm at home and fine, so is the family (although I didn't see my mom for 8 weeks now). You?

partially furloughed

bit down on everything, but at least I'm still employed and haven't been sucked up by the vast economic black hole spreading across my region.

just checking in with people I know here, I'm not really active on SE anymore

Which is fine.

Lots of SE dosen't know chat exists :D

@Magisch wow.

company I work at isn't doing too well right now. The increase in business from healthcare related contracts isn't covering the loss of business from automobile manufacturers. So everyone is 40% furloughed as off this week, last week it was 25%. Our region in general is just in the shitter economically right now

and both of my favorite restaurants have closed permanently

I don't know how many shops in town went under but whatever help the government provided did not succeed in tiding people over. Even some retailers who had been able to reopen went under, there's a wave of bankruptcies sweeping right now

@Magisch yeah, the idea that this would only take 3 months and then everything would go back to normal was only for the real optimists. And that assumed that the government would take all the loss.

@rene Looking pretty bleak right now

Over 10 million people (of 40 some million working) are partially furloughed right now

another 2.5 million or so outright unemployed

Yeah, it has huge impact.

@Magisch Woah. Those are serious numbers o.O

How is everyone doing today?

I'm lost in Open Layers 6 so I'm fine. How is your day?

My glasses have broken, superglue didn't work so now they're being held together with duct tape. I'm just hoping my hair doesn't get caught in that...

@Tinkeringbell the last time one of my glasses hinge broke a guy from the lab at my job just welded the screw on both sides so it can never escape again but still swings at the hinge

Mine have broken about half way through, but the other part is inside some plastic covering so even if I knew how to weld titanium I can't get to one side without destroying the plastic... To be fair, it was bound to happen for a while now, the other side was already similarly damaged but far enough inside the plastic that the two sides didn't separate each time I take my glasses off ;)

Thankfully I never had an expensive frame

but I don't look forward to paying a cool 400€ for my new pair of lenses again

Mine was somewhere between ridiculously expensive and cheap for a frame?

But yeah, the glasses themselves are always the expensive part, I'm kinda hoping I can just get a new/same frame. When I went there last year to get new glasses they were still selling the frames too :D

That would mean that if my eyesight hasn't gotten worse, I can save a lot of money if my current lenses fit in the new frame :D

This year is the last year I get free glasses. :(

You get free ones?!

Nice :D

Under 18 year olds get free glasses once a year with our health care plan

Paying for a -6 prescription is going to be, uh, fun, I guess

Oof, no.... that's going to suck :(

My eyes get worse every year

sadly

Mine seem to have different problems each year. Either they get actually worse (so the number behind the - sign increases), or I need more/less 'cilinder', last year I think we measured for prisms (I think they were called that?) and I was on the verge of needing one...

I'm at I think -9 and -7 now

and some other metrics I dont understand that have something to do with depth and make the lenses weird looking and more expensive

Astigmatism?

I'd be lying to say I know what exactly it is called

in german it's called "hornhautverkrümmung"

dictionary says corneal irregularity

Google Translate says "hornhautverkrümmung" is astigmatism

Which... yeah, I've got that too :/

Eyes are no fun

@Mithical I hope you enjoy being robbed every time you need new lenses

a set of plastic no scratch basic lenses with my prescription costs me just over 400€

my health insurance would only pay for the untreated glass version of it. So since I don't want to have scratched up lenses or glass splinters in my eye I have to pay up

welp

That, and if I get to get 'glass', it would be so heavy it would slide of my nose each time I nod!

I never actually had a glass lens

my doctor always warned me that I should refrain

since I could go blind if I fall on my face or get hit in the face by something with that

It's pretty old-fashioned, I believe... At least my optometrist is recommending plastic ones just because of the weight.

I've never had glasses actually break/shatter, it's always the frame that goes first...

well on plastic that's what happened

when I got hit in the face with a dodgeball once my frame exploded apart but both lenses were fine (and unscratched!) the frame was 12€ though

Yep, same here, but with a frame that was at least €100... Soccer in PE class, tried to hit it with my head, missed... Frame was metal and broken in three places, glasses still okay.

I had a lens snap in half once.

It just fell out, hit the floor, and snapped.

They replaced it for free because "it's not supposed to do that".

BEEPBEEP BEEPBEEP BEEEEP..... AAAAAAGH.

(our smokedetector is out of battery and I can't concentrate like this)

cool, shame people who are often anti-social into making a blog. yea, great idea,

Ooh, that must've really pissed you off if we're getting a full sentence instead of a toilet.

Btw if you know a few great anti-social developers, I think I'd like to meet them... most of my coworkers have been saying they can't wait to get back to an office and have people around all day :|

is it not possible to be anti-social but still want that forced social interaction of going to an office?

Hmm. Good question. I don't think that's a very true form of anti-socialism?

To me, anti-social mostly implies that people dislike the forced social interactions even more than the ones they aren't forced into...

like most thing in life, it's a large sliding scale, not a bucket

that blog is implying that most developers who don't do open source, who don't blog, who don't help others, who don't join in on social-ish events with other people/devs, can't be successful developers.

Lemme get to that point then ;)

I haven't read that far yet :P

Hmm. Yeah it does carry a hint of that... Though I think it's meant to say that without doing all those, you'll just become a successful developer slower than with..

full disclosure, i consider myself anti-social, but enjoy being around people i've known for a while. I can't stand small talk, hate meeting new people, hate interacting with social media (but do like browsing it.) I used to run a blog, and i used to help other developers all the time (2300+ answers on SO.) but at a certain point... that switch of wanting to help others switched off. All i see now of people who ask questions are people who are too lazy to do the work.

or too afraid

What you need to be able to solve problems is curiosity. the willingness to poke at the problem and try new things, to ask questions (to yourself)

Well, the lazy bit is something I think that you encounter in online a lot easier than offline. If you have a single coworker you're interacting with, you're likely to see some progress in their questions (if not > lazy? incapable? dependent?)... online this 1 person might not know you've already answered that question 20 times in real life AND online :P

So that 1 person has the willingness to ask questions, and has probably been taught 'don't poke around for hours, just ask!'

(I got into almost-trouble for that at my current assignment. New language, but too stubborn to ask because these were things I could do fine in my old language so I should be able to figure them out in the new one too, right?)

you have an advantage in that scenario. you currently don't know the underworkings of that language, or don't know all the methods yet, but what you do have is logic. you know how things should work and can generally ask the right questions

I like the idea of curiosity... but it should probably be 'idle curiosity' then... curiosity for idle time ;)

which.. should lead to useful documentation

Oh, yeah... I have notebooks full of notes by now :) And I like my new co-worker, we're doing a lot of code comments :D

The one area where... i'm definitely not anti-social is online, for some reason that doesn't bother me at all.

It's not that weird. :)

Offline interactions often come with a whole different set of social expectations than online ones.

The whole thing is back to front! How do they define "great" developers? Simply those who are well known. And why are they so well known? Because they blog and share a lot. A great dev who doesn't blog will simply never be on our radar.

"successful" was the term used

which... doesn't necessarily mean good or great does it?

@user400654 Elite, great, top, distinguished. Many terms were used, but it still seems pretty circular. The excellent developer who doesn't take pains to publicise their work won't be on our radar. That doesn't mean they aren't "great".

It's like saying that pilots are actors because the only person you've heard of who pilots a plane is Harrison Ford.

Anyway, sure, if you blog about stuff a lot, and do it well, you will become better known. That, however, doesn't imply that those who do something well tend to blog about it.

I ended up closing my blog because i felt self conscious of it. I felt it was presenting a picture of who i was or what i knew/was interested in that didn't match me.

I am imagining a blank page filled with tiny little black-and-white toilet icons. :P

nah, i used it to publish jquery plugins, solve common javascript problems, etc

was getting enough traffic for ad revenue before i removed ads, it's just i realized the only people using it were using it for a quick copy paste answer rather than learning

Well, at least this post is a pleasant enough read, it doesn't feel like it was written by a drunk 12-year-old with 2 years of English as a foreign language classes, so it's a step up from what we've gotten used to lately.

what is the glass half full way of saying my glass is empty

"i have a glass"?

"my glass is full of air."

My glass is neither a hovercraft, nor is it full of eels.

@bjb568 Full of millions of hydrogen atoms?

@user400654 I have a very mercenary attitude towards software development

it is work, it always feels like work, I will only engage with it for pay

if I want to be charitable there are other ways to help out, just because you can write software doesn't mean other avenues of giving back are closed to you :)

@Magisch That's kinda true here too. There's a few things I like doing outside of work, but that's rare and intermittent. For the most part, software development = work, free time is anything else :)

Software development puts a huge mental strain on me from doing it several hours per normal day. I couldn't enjoy to keep doing it after work, I usually need some sort of compensation, like visiting bees, helping friends and coworkers tend to a garden, go to the forest, that kind of stuff

Visiting bees?

I love bees

there are some commercial hives nearby and you can visit them

can watch the lil buggers buzz and fly about and observe the hives

oh cool

I prefer to use my free time dropping nukes on the wasteland

I drop bees on the wasteland, but hey ho

@djsmiley2kStaysInside bees buzz too much

@Magisch careful in the forest, bears are big.

@user400654 with an empty glass, you won't need to go to toilets. You'll save time, money, and water.

@terdon 🚽 🛀🚻🚿🚹🚺🚾

time to refill my glass

@Tinkeringbell mainly nitrogen. I don't think there's much free h2 in air 🤣