@terdon meh, people are expected to use common sense, if they don't, it's on them.

touching someone's face with a glove means you have whatever they have on their face, on your glove

If the church will say "Shoot yourself to reach heaven" and people will shoot themselves, it's still a suicide, not a murder.

@Magisch makeup?

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou But that's just it: it isn't on them. It's on me too. Because they will get infected and then spread it.

in a pandemic situation choosing not to take precautions isn't just stupid but also societally irresponsible

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou The church is saying "don't worry, shoot yourself and everyone else; guns are not dangerous when the bullets have been blessed"

every time that comes up someone goes "But healthy people are never going to die from this"

I'm sure that is great comfort to anyone in a risk group whose continued survival depends in part on our attitude and actions not spreading this around too much

@Magisch plus they can

@YaakovEllis I would like to feel a bigger impact of what I do. The number one thing that makes me weary of continuing to review, edit, close and vote is that I can't follow posts and see what becomes of them. I see posts often where I can see a path to making them really good with just a little input from op, and often times when OP makes that necessary edit I won't know it because they don't ping. In that way and with the scant filtering methods for flag feedback, it seems like you have to fight

the system for how well you're doing in curation and to see what effects your efforts have. Barring any other changes, that would probably get me interested in doing regular reviews on SO again, because then I'm not just incrementing a number but can actually see which approach to giving guidance to people has positive effects, and I can optimize to make the helping-people-out rate better

@Feeds uhm. Stack being remote first again yay 🤣

Right now keeping tabs on a question you closed is horribly inefficient. I'd have to bookmark the post and remember to come back. And random people who haven't closed it and don't have the context are tasked with reopen reviews, resulting in some almost-there-and-possible-to-edit-into-it questions never making it

@JourneymanGeek but... who will use the coffee machine now? :(

Wonder if they'll just close the office(s) if it goes on for a while.

(I mean close for good, even after Corona is gone)

Except for the company cage, can't think of a real need for office anyway. :D

offices are just expenses

maybe this virus will push lots of businesses to go 'oh this working from home thing saved us $$$!'

Sadly, those are the companies who shoudkln't be doing it, because that reasoning is flawed.

It'd be cool if you can close an office down and then you don't have to pay for it, but I'm afraid contracts don't work that way :)

I've already seen a catering company reach out on linkedin and friends to find companies who still hold meetings and trainings

the economic damage of this is going to be massive

tbh

@Magisch more than massive.

Fatal.

nah

I'm thinking we'll have a mediocre recession

Flight companies can't survive.

some sectors of services will be devastated, but overall economy doesn't have to go to trash

Many flight companies are being shut down anyway, so now even the biggest will have trouble to keep going.

@AndrasDeak it will be a domino effect. Those sectors that will be devastated will drag others.

meh

(Since millions of people will lose their job and money so won't be able to buy/use other services, that will shut down too as a result)

I'm thinking shale oil and adjacent industries, services, flights, tourism and short-term wise microelectronics

my employer is expecting orders to crater at least 60% by summer

@Shog9 Dark. :/

o/

> For our customers, we are committed to keeping our services up and running. As many of you shift to more remote work, we hope our SaaS product

... really

lol

no better time to pitch tbh

if I was still trying to wedge my workplace into using teams, I'd use this as a reason too

@user400654 well he must include some advertisement/promotion whenever writing officially. Can't blame him. :)

are you talking about the spamblog?

> Essays, opinions, and advice on the act of computer programming from Stack Overflow.

This blog ^

yeah

@canon but pretty true

@JourneymanGeek Well, for a while I took comfort in the fact that some of my suspicions hadn't really been confirmed. But across several tweets and chat messages, it turns out it's actually worse than I'd conceived in my tin-foil fortress.

it does raise the question of how do we reckon with the fact that upper management was basically acting in blatantly bad faith

suddenly all the people who were out for resignations don't seem so far fetched

exactly

well, the first part

I'm not out for blood

me neither, but it gives a new perspective on those who were

agreed

I was hanlon's razoring myself through all of this and just assumed people were out of touch and not particularly interested

to be fair though, they were only acting in bad faith toward 0.015% of their userbase

@Magisch a lot of this seems obvious from the sidelines.

@SmokeDetector How is that answer toxic?

And that's why I joke that I get whiplash

If only somebody listened to those sidelines

@Magisch Had to look that up. Thought it was a dig at Jay. Thankfully not! :P

@canon isn't, thats just a vaguely named regex

@canon you tricked me into looking, you monster!

@JohnDvorak <trollface>

@JourneymanGeek when you're emotionally invested in not seeing the forest for the trees it is easier to make that mistake

@Magisch and yet there was little we could do

true

outside of leaving completely

And that's kinda why helping the folks who are community positive is important.

@Magisch we are working on a question follow feature now (allow you to follow a question to get notifications for edits, answers, comments, etc). Would that serve for what you are looking for?

And pointing out politely that the emperor is in fact naked 🤣

That would be a massively good thing tbh

people gripe about notifications but it would be a lot more enticing to give personal help to people if tracking it wasn't impossible

I'd also like flag summary sorting by handling time but I recognize I'm maybe one out of 15 users across the network who'd get real use from that

@Magisch it's going to be terrible on meta 🤣

ideally it'd have a "follow this" button on review queues

"Stalk me" on a user profile ...

@JourneymanGeek the point is when I have 400 pending custom flags and the first 300 get handled in a week but the last 100 sit for a week more I have to either go through all of them with hover multiple times to parse the feedback or wait until they're all handled

@canon I wont comment on the veracity of any single tweet or message. And I (despite my best efforts) do not know everything that happened. But I would just like to raise the possibility that when you only hear tweets and chat messages from one side of a conflict, that you … maybe … aren't getting the full picture.

what I personally liked about the mentorship experiment was that I was able to personally help people navigate the process throughout their first post, which had a lot higher success rate then fire & forget canned comments

@Magisch I am very good friends with the dev who will be implementing the follow functionality. Will see what I can do

and seeing your efforts bear fruit is a great motivator where rep (it doesn't give any) or badges (I already have them all) aren't

@Magisch So how do we scale mentorship? Or maybe it isn't meant to scale

@Magisch yeah, and I recall you were pretty good at it.

@YaakovEllis the "follow this post" button would be a massive step imo

it lets me follow dozens of posts and react to new developments as they happen, since so much posting on SO is asynchronous in the extreme outside of maintaining your own excel spreadsheet that is currently impossible

@Magisch would you then be concerned about too much noise? or lack of context when you are following 1000 posts?

@YaakovEllis Granted. Still, considering that the sources have spent the better part of a decade building community trust... I'm a little more comfortable believing them.

the ideal case being when I closed something and notice OP made an edit I can then review that edit and either get the reopening started or give pointed feedback what still needs to be done

I'd handle noise problems by regularly unfollowing posts with no activity that interests me

possibly even via userscript to do it right from the notification box

@canon I understand that. Totally. I just know that there are things that I know that I can't say about lots of different issues due to privacy/legal/other (and not due to some conspiracy).

Understood.

if we're allowed to dream there'd be "follow this for a week" buttons :D

@Magisch if that works for you, be sure to post about it later so we can iterate

@Magisch dreams are nice. Let's get the base feature implemented first, then we'll see about things like that

sure

I'm planning to start reviewing in earnest again when it comes out

my one issue with reviews is that it feels so impersonal and tragic that after reading a post and getting interested in OPs problem I have to then drop the matter and hope the rest of the system will take good care of them, which facing it for reopening it almost never does

and giving a little bit of attention to a thousand posts feels like you're wasting your time compared to helping a few hundred succeed, even though it might be the same workload

Thats basically what I do on meta sites because the scale allows for it, having that on SO would probably be motivating for a long time

@YaakovEllis Unfortunately, we haven't only been hearing from one side. We have also been hearing from the other side, but too much of what that other side (SE Inc) has been saying have been blatant, outright lies. So it's hard to give them any credence.

how is following a post different from marking it as a favorite?

@user400654 following will lead to inbox notifications. favorite doesn't

@user400654 it would actually do something useful: you'd get notifications if a new answer was posted etc. Favorites are not really useful unless you remember to go back and check.

@terdon understood

@user400654 The difference between being in a study group and married, basically ;)

plz-delete High Sierra meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344831/… @rene @Bart @Glor @Sonic @Art

gone

kaboomed, you mean

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou no boom ...

Tavern got booms, and beers, and... unicorns?

looking for the last unicorn

🚽

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou true that

@user400654 Nah, the toilets are there. <==========

But we're out of toilet paper due to the corona virus.

@Journeyman can bring buckets of water.

:-D

dont worry, it'l be april soon so it's almost over

follow posts will be fire

:D

seems odd to me for both following and favoriting to exist, but i want the favorite functionality, not follow

@user400654 Really? Why? I've been wanting the follow for years and have no use for the favorite. If I need that, I'll use a bookmark. What's your use case?

I have seperate favorites (bookmarks) for work and home too, so even for a bookmark replacement I can't really use favorites

Will the new follow feature also allow to unfollow your own posts?

I don't know, but that would be very smart

Well, favorites don't even work as bookmarks since you can't add a note explaining why you favorited that one.

So after a few years when you have several dozen favorites, it's impossible to find the one you are looking for anyway: "Which one was it that mentioned the fooing of the bar again? What was the question called? And which answer was it I was actually interested in?"

one of my bookmarks at work's description reads "that {expletive} table {expletive} fill-in line coloring problem" :D

it is a reference to a tex.SE question about regular old \hline tags not filling in background colors correctly with cellcolor tables

I use favorites just like I do bookmarks, to keep a link to something I may want to return to later

99% of the time it’s something I absolutely would not want notifications for

Usually it’s a post I want deleted that an answerer is protecting

@user400654 So do they offer you something that bookmarks don't? Just the fact of having them onsite as opposed to stored on your browser?

My bookmark bar is pretty packed already, it’s nice not needing to use it for SO

OK.

Just me or block quotes elements do not have any background color?

@Braiam They seem to have changed the CSS networkwide.

@πάνταῥεῖ My life isn't the same anymore :/

@Braiam Well, you know my nick. Does it tell you anything? ;)

:)

@πάνταῥεῖ Heh, looks like we were neck and neck for FGITW. I think your answer's fleshing out to be better, though.

@Spevacus It's shorter ar least ;)

@πάνταῥεῖ I leave it in your capable hands. :)

So that's why decided to launch operation exodus? :P

meh

@JohnDvorak lol

@Braiam think they have, just really bright

A useful feature of Favoriting is that you can go to the main SE site and sort your favorites in order added, which allows you to find recently added (the other options are also useful for finding updates):

Oh wait, @Brai is right, no background color at all!

But it's brand new change...

or bug

@Rob the network profile favorites is not synchronized very well, to say the least. But yeah, it's good for simple cases. :)

I don't see what's the problem. It was well explained in the proposed announcement.

@πάνταῥεῖ what was?

Oh nice, missed that.

(the original announcement by Aaron)

🦵🏿🚽

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou It was only 25 days ago. Come on! Pay attention! :P

Upvoted your simple answer too.

NSFW - Cheech and Chong version: youtu.be/sIw3lBLTZGs

Spam? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344862/…

nope

@πάνταῥεῖ Yep

@rene Hmm, strange contradictions. But it's removed, was surely off-topic anyways.

@rene I've seen you comment about this before: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344866/…

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog sure

Got the weirdest review...

Someone flagged the formatting sandbox as a duplicate of the question and answer ban faq

Review in question

Probably someone testing something

Probably. Cheers for completing the review with me.

And Glorfindel, as it turns out.

@YaakovEllis i don't think anything would for me at this point... What tends to drive me away is running into askers who seem to be unable to grasp their own problems. askers who don't present any debugging, or evidence of debugging. how you can find, on any given day, 3-4 variations of the essentially the same question written multiple ways with no clear dupe target in sight for what is clearly a common problem. The site is swamped... and I don't know what if anything can be done to make it better.

@Mithical @Spevacus Or it could be a sneaky way to try and inflate their helpful flag count, by hoping that a robo-reviewer will vote to close. (A single close vote will result in the flag being marked helpful, even if the question doesn't actually get closed.)

There's no concievable reason to game flag count like that

the only thing it gives you is more flags, which if you need those your helpful flag count rises automatically

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I didn't know that a single close vote would mark it as helpful.

Could be going for the Deputy badge.

@Magisch To earn badges

you really think someone would go through that much trouble 80 or 500 times?

instead of just flagging away some obsolete comments or spam?

Perhaps they're just barely short of earning one such badge, and are trying to earn it quicker

Somewhat related: Can moderators issue manual flag bans?

Similar to how they can issue manual review bans.

Or alternatively, to maintain a buffer in case future flags get declined, to retain a high daily flag allowance.

@Spevacus Not directly. They could, however, hold off on dismissing flags and then all of a sudden decline a few at a time, to intentionally trigger the automatic ban.

people do weird things for achievments

(which badges are)

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'm also going to go out on a limb and assume that a manual flag ban feature would be mostly useless. If someone's maliciously flagging, they're sure to catch a flag ban eventually.

Even if you have 100 daily flags, future net helpful flags will still provide you with a buffer in case later ones get declined, to stop you from dropping below that.

Thats a rolling buffer though

@Magisch Only for bans, not for daily allowance.

The daily allowance considers all flags since account creation

unless someone surreptitiously maintains a 90% helpful rate throughout their shenanigans, they'll hit a flag ban after a very short amount of bogus flags

imagine if earning badges earned you some form of ... points

not necessarily reputation

Imo the only badges that're neat are gold badges, even if they're not tag-specific.

100 daily flags means that one has at least 900 net helpful flags (minus 10 for every 2k rep they have), so if you keep casting helpful flags to have a total of 1500, you'll need to have 600+ flags declined before it will take a toll on your daily flag allowance.

@user400654 The craziest thing I saw was someone trying to earn the Electorate badge on a small beta site. They upvoted every question on the site and still didn't qualify because the site hadn't reached 600 questions.

@user400654 Some badges contribute to your mod candidate score...

Looking for a bit of guidance. I was going to incorporate this question's specific occurance as an addendum to my under review bug report on the review hover-panels. I was wondering if that was a correct course of action.

I'd give proper attribution to that question's poster, of course. It currently has 4 of 5 close votes.

...you know the rest.

That seems a better solution. Perhaps I should retract my CV?

@Mithical and some indirectly, like an annual jackpot: