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12:00 AM

@Rob hmm? 🤔

@Rob oh yeah. I voted for the Pirates.

The Pirate Party of Israel or Piratim (Hebrew: הַפִּירָאטִים) is a political party in Israel founded in 2012 by past members of Holocaust Survivors and Grown-Up Green Leaf Party and Ale Yarok to promote the values of the international Pirate Party movement. Party candidates gathered 2,076 votes in the 2013 Knesset elections (0.05%), 895 votes (0.02%) in the 2015 elections and 816 votes (0.02%) in the April 2019 Knesset elections. == References == == External links == Official website...

@Rob creepy crappy :D

@Rob not a bit, a lot. 37:33 and previous time it was something like 34:33 to Gantz.

@djsmiley2kTMW best alarm: wife. Really. Somehow enough she whispers my name and I'm up. And I don't wake from alarm clocks.

@Magisch those dry coughs are really nasty, can last for weeks... :(

Rob

1:56 AM

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I saw one of their campaign signs:

Rob

3:09 AM

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5:25 AM

Podcast: Don’t Miss Your Stop

Ben Popper on March 03, 2020

A Nigerian financial analyst with a habit of getting lost connects remotely with a Siberian app developer. Together, they would go on to build a mapping app worth $1 billion, all without ever meeting face to face.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

8:18 AM

@JNat heavy cross site spammer (13 (!) sites, think it's a record) for your ever gentle caring. Thanks! :)

@Gimby I keep confusing you with @Tink... :(

But you also deserve....

!!/coffee Gim

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou brews a cup of Americano for @Gim

Gimby

ew, coffee

but thanks anyway

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

oops

!!/tea Gim

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou brews a cup of lemon tea for @Gim

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Better?

rene

8:33 AM

!!/beverages @all

SmokeDetector

@rene No such command 'beverages'.

rene

:(

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

!!/glory for @Glor

:(

Glorfindel

no such command, but appreciated :)

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

:)

Rob

9:13 AM

Gin and Glory

Gimby

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Lemon tea is definitely ok :)

Rob

ew, tea, and worse; not real tea.

Gimby

depends. If it is black tea with lemon I consider it to be real tea

Rob

9:28 AM

There are certainly different kinds, some less "tea" and more everything else. My comment was a retort to your "ew, coffee" comment; which @Sha and I think is the greatest drink.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@Gimby good!

@Rob true!

:8266411 gone!

hehe why can I reply to a deleted message?

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I just noticed I can reply to a deleted message in chat, while this wasn't possible before, i.e. the reply function used to disappear when the message was deleted. Evidence can be found here, here and here. It seems that the reply doesn't ping the author of the deleted message, but it does conve...

@M.A.R. is to blame!

Gimby

9:43 AM

@Rob I also don't like beer, how does that affect you?

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

!!/beer Rob

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou No such command 'beer'.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

:(

Rob

10:23 AM

@Gimby ‼/Gimby

avazula

@Rob count me in the team of coffee lovers! :)

even though I truly enjoy tea asw

Rob

10:46 AM

‼/absolut @Shadow

@avazula Actual tea is OK, it's when it's ruined by DavidsTea with various spice and fruity flavours that it's no longer tea.

avazula

@Rob didn't know about that one.

I'm sick so I'm mostly drinking pectoral herbal tea now :(

Rob

You know if you go into a "tea" store and instead of having two dozen varieties they have two hundred flavors; then it's a "herb tea" store, and not really tea.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

11:16 AM

@Rob meh, I got drunk from 6-8 shots of Grey Goose once

@avazula sorry to hear... what virus attacked you?

@Rob yeah these days most tea is mix of herbs more than actual tea.

avazula

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou No idea ... I might be a covid-19 victim ;)

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@avazula hehe.... let's hope not.... well, you have fever?

avazula

My fever dropped so i'm better today. Sore throat, lung pain and headaches, and a constant mix of hot and cold. At least I'm not delusional anymore. Yesterday evening was fun.

Rob

‼/goosed Sha

djsmiley2k TMW

it sounds like you could be

a lot of people just get 'flu' symtoms

so it's... v.possible

terdon

11:23 AM

@avazula Um. Please let me know if you are.

And get better! That sounds pretty unpleasant :(

avazula

@terdon haha, I will, don't worry ;) but there's no reason I'd be.

Rob

It's available in convenient bottles.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@avazula sounds like typical flu then... let's hope it's behind you and tomorrow you'll wake up as healthy as an ox.... ;)

avazula

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I'm not feeling bad enough for it to be the flu. Sounds more like bronchitis to me.

Journeyman Geek

uhm

Bronchitis is more serious than the flu :D

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

11:28 AM

Depends how you measure it, I guess?

Even common cold can be super annoying

avazula

I get bronchities more easily than the flu ;)

Journeyman Geek

I had a 2 week long cough :D

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Me too, many times.... it just comes and goes

avazula

I only got it once in my life... got a 40°C fever, could barely walk.

terdon

@avazula No reason at all. Seems incredibly unlikely. But, if by some horrible twist of fate you are, just let me know. Only because I will be visiting my parents relatively soon and my father is severely immunodepressed and should really not be exposed to even the slightest chance of getting it.

Rob

11:32 AM

Bronchitis doesn't involve having a fever; it might be pneumonia or the flu (or worse).

terdon

@avazula That... doesn't sound like the flu but something considerably stronger. "Flu" is just "la grippe".

djsmiley2k TMW

proper flu is real nasty

avazula

@Rob doesn't sound that bad. I mean, I'm working right now, I wouldn't be able to do so if it was.

djsmiley2k TMW

m,ost people just havea bad cold and think they have the flu.

avazula

@terdon I got diagnosed with the flu ... I don't like doctors but I try to trust them when I can :p

Rob

11:34 AM

@avazula Doesn't sound that good:

16 mins ago, by avazula

My fever dropped so i'm better today. Sore throat, lung pain and headaches, and a constant mix of hot and cold. At least I'm not delusional anymore. Yesterday evening was fun.

avazula

@Rob My words might have been a bit strong... I won't post a picture to prove you I'm fine but I am ;)

One thing to consider is that I've been travelling last weekend and spent 16 hours of my 3-days vacation in public transportation ... in a country where the weather is more moody than in mine (I'm not used to sudden drops of temperature :p)

So yeah, I was extremely tired yesterday. That doesn't help.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@terdon well.... don't want to sound paranoid... but it will eventually reach everyone. :/

From everything I can see, it passed the point of no return, too many are sick and spreading it all around the world.

djsmiley2k TMW

it'll disappear/tail off over summer

then next winter, you better hope we've all got a vaccine, or immunity.

:/

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou ._.

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@djsmiley2kTMW Only after major part of the population are exposed to it.

avazula

11:39 AM

Rest assured I'm taking any safety measures I can though. I'm working remotely today and will likely be for the rest of the week, I'm home alone and ready to call the emergency services if I get fever ... as our government advised us to do.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou DUDE. BUMMER.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Not everyone who are exposed to it get sick.... not everyone who get sick dies, so it's NOT doomsday, not the end of the world.... but it's something we need to face.

Journeyman Geek

So. Here's a few things

1) Its not that lethal.

2) Its not spread as much as say flu, which can also kill you

djsmiley2k TMW

Sorry, was Spanish Flu, not that lethal?

Journeyman Geek

3) Wash your hands. Seriously. Don't do a lady mcbeth of course.

djsmiley2k TMW

11:41 AM

hahah

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

There was SARS, think it was more lethal, but contained better.

djsmiley2k TMW

yes

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2kTMW Nipah. 97% lethal

djsmiley2k TMW

Maybe the world has forgotten how to wash their hands...

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@JourneymanGeek Lady who??

avazula

11:41 AM

confused noises I ... didn't want to start such a conversation. I'm sorry :(

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou ....

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@djsmiley2kTMW judging from my workplace toilets, nobody forgot, they just don't wash, period.

Journeyman Geek

Sir. HAVE YOU NOT WATCHED IT IN THE ORIGINAL KLINGON?

djsmiley2k TMW

> In contrast, a 2007 analysis of medical journals from the period of the pandemic[15][16] found that the viral infection was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains. Instead, malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, and poor hygiene promoted bacterial superinfection. This superinfection killed most of the victims, typically after a somewhat prolonged death bed.[17][18]

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou then maybe they all deserve to get a bit ill...

@avazula this convo has been raging for days

just be happy it's not calling for burning down SE Inc etc

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@avazula hehe, it's me. Usually it's either me or @M.A.R who start such discussions, throw the first snow ball, etc. No worry it's not you. :D

Journeyman Geek

11:43 AM

> Out, damned spot! out, I say!—One: two: why,
then, 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky!—Fie, my
lord, fie! a soldier, and afeard? What need we
fear who knows it, when none can call our power to
account?—Yet who would have thought the old man
to have had so much blood in him.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@djsmiley2kTMW now you say it... I hear more coughs than usual around me....

hides

djsmiley2k TMW

oh god everyone in this office is coughing all the time

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2kTMW Basically. Every single outbreak has been in this region :D

SARS? Had fatalities. MERS? A good amount of our current plans and equipment are from that...

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@djsmiley2kTMW Luckily not in office, but other companies in same floor.

(it's a mixed work space)

djsmiley2k TMW

> Even in areas where mortality was low, so many adults were incapacitated that much of everyday life was hampered. Some communities closed all stores or required customers to leave orders outside. There were reports that healthcare workers could not tend the sick nor the gravediggers bury the dead because they too were ill. Mass graves were dug by steam shovel and bodies buried without coffins in many places.[94]

Several Pacific island territories were particularly hard-hit. The pandemic reached them from New Zealand, which was too slow to implement measures to prevent ships, such as the …

But the really really important bit, imo...

> The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much deadlier than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily. By August, when the second wave began in France, Sierra Leone, and the United States,[88] the virus had mutated to a much deadlier form. October 1918 was the deadliest month of the whole pandemic.[89]

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

11:50 AM

Anyone knows why all previous nasty flu viruses got cool short names like SARS and Corona didn't?

CORVIR isn't really that cool.

Rob

Coors

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

CORS

Mad Scientist

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou it's SARS-CoV-2

Rob

Coors Brewing Company

The Coors Brewing Company is a regional division of the world's third-largest brewing company, the Molson Coors Brewing Company. Coors operates a brewery in Golden, Colorado, that is the largest single brewery facility in the world. == History == === Founding === In 1873, German immigrants Adolph Coors and Jacob Schueler from Prussia emigrated to the United States and established a brewery in Golden, Colorado, after buying a recipe for a Pilsner-style beer from a Czech immigrant William Silhan. Coors invested $2,000 in the operation, and Schueler invested $6,000. In 1880, Coors bought...

Corona (beer)

Corona Extra (stylized as Corona. Extra) is a pale lager produced by Cervecería Modelo in Mexico for domestic distribution and export to all other countries besides the United States, and by Constellation Brands in Mexico for export to the United States. The Corona brand is one of the top-selling beers worldwide. Outside Mexico, Corona is commonly served with a wedge of lime or lemon in the neck of the bottle to add tartness and flavour.Since 1998, Corona Extra is the top-selling imported drink in the United States. == Ingredients == According to Sinebrychoff, a Finnish company owned by t...

Gimby

I read that Corona beer sales have gone down

terdon

12:01 PM

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou oh, come on

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Gimby

Yay online reading :)

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

:P

Well didn't read it all but think bottom line is that it dropped, but so are most other brands due to people buying less because they shut themselves down in their home. (In places where the virus started to spread)

Gimby

that sounds reasonable yes.

JAD

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I think the claim wasn't necessarily limited to places where the virus had already spread

but since you just linked a screenshot, there's no way to verify

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

12:12 PM

@JAD snopes.com/fact-check/corona-beer-fear-coronavirus

Happy reading! ;)

JAD

thanks for sharing

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

12:29 PM

Thanks for reading

!!/thank JAD

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou No such command 'thank'.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

:(

!!/welcome JAD

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Welcome to Tavern on the Meta @JAD! I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network, and posts alerts to chat. You can find more about me on the Charcoal website.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

:)

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

12:42 PM

@terdon where do your parents live? How you know they're near @ava?

avazula

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I'm everywheeeere

terdon

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou They're not. I was! A few of us met in London last week :)

Turns out some of us are real humans typing with their real human hands!

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@terdon heh. I was close to meet with @Mith and @Yaakov but... it didn't happen yet. :/

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou It's Dragonrage's fault.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

No, it was Mith fault! :D

avazula

12:46 PM

@terdon Sssh! Don't ruin my dreams of being an omnipotent goddess :(

terdon

@avazula I said some of us!

avazula

:D

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@terdon so, who was there? How did you coordinate?

terdon

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou It was a mod meetup. I realized quite a few of us are based in or around London and suggested we go for a drink. Then, someone with actual organizational skills stepped in and set it up. There were about 10 of us who made it.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Oh wow, nice!

Who paid? SE? ;)

Wait, if @ava got sick after that meeting.... it might mean someone there got it first and passed it on to her..... so... it can be.... you! @terdon ;)

terdon

12:50 PM

No! We did. This wasn't official SE business.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@terdon lol I know

!!/troll @ter

terdon

Although we did get to meet JNat who's as cool in real life as he is online :)

PM 2Ring

This person astronomy.stackexchange.com/users/31510/therobloxgamer posted a couple of abusive answers on Astronomy a few hours ago. The first one's been deleted, but the second hasn't got enough flags yet. astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/35401/16685 (They also have accounts on SO & Anime). Can their details be fed to Smokey, or something?

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@terdon oh wow! Did you buy him some spam at least? :P

ArtOfCode

@PM2Ring what was the first one?

cuz the second one... ain't R/A. Stupid, sure, but not red-flaggable

PM 2Ring

12:52 PM

@ArtOfCode On the same question astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/35398/16685

ArtOfCode

I can't see deleted posts :P

avazula

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou 3/4 of my coworkers were sick last week... I wouldn't blame SE people :p

terdon

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I tried, he didn't let me :(

avazula

@terdon you weren't fast enough :p

PM 2Ring

This is the text of the 1st: Post Locked by Community♦

occurred 4 hours ago

Post Deleted by Community♦

occurred 4 hours ago

1

source link

answered 5 hours ago

TheRobloxGamer

1

its called you dumb idiot student the sun will smack your freaking face to death kiddo maybe the sun doesnt need to smack you im here to smack you painfully idiot

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

12:53 PM

@PM2Ring already reported and black listed: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…

(two verified results)

ArtOfCode

@PM2Ring yeah, likewise - delete-vote, not worth a red flag

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@ArtOfCode "dumb idiot student" is 1000% worth a red flag.

It's an abusive troll.

Mithical

@terdon You? Pffff

ArtOfCode

Moooooooom, someone called me an idiot! :P

Mithical

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I know, I know

ArtOfCode

12:55 PM

Put another way: if I received red-flags on that as a moderator, I'd decline 'em

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@avazula but... it's easiest! ;)

PM 2Ring

Sorry. I'm on my phone. :oops:

ArtOfCode

@Mithical can confirm, terdon is a real human

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@ArtOfCode that's too bad. So what's your red line? Or won't you ever approve abusive red flag?

JAD

wait

how is that not rude/abusive?

PM 2Ring

12:56 PM

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Excellent

ArtOfCode

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Sure I will, just not on that

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Personally if I'll flag such thing as abusive and flag will be declined, I'll contact SE.

ArtOfCode

It's pointless, but it's not worth getting the big guns out for, just delete and move on

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

(asking for a CM/staff to take a look and if they agree, override the mod)

JAD

@ArtOfCode point is, regular users might not have del-vote rights. Should they not flag crap like that?

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

12:58 PM

@ArtOfCode the goal of red flag is to delete. If you decline the flags it means you're OK with the post and deem it worthy for the site.

djsmiley2k TMW

nod

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

So... guess we'll agree to disagree, @Art.

djsmiley2k TMW

'is bad' is a grey line sometimes

but there's nothing 'good' in that post.

PM 2Ring

There was also a threatening comment: lol idiot rater come here fight me your idiot fist vs my AK-47 MOTHERFREAKER

terdon

@Mithical I did say "some of us"!

ArtOfCode

12:59 PM

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou no, it's very much not. The point of a red flag is to point out exceptional bad behaviour that needs special action. Declining the flag just means I don't believe it does - I'd just delete it and move on, maybe suspend the user if they keep doing it

terdon

@ArtOfCode Ha! The disguise worked!

ArtOfCode

Damn!

@Mithical Okay, can confirm terdon pretends to be a real human

PM 2Ring

@ArtOfCode Yeah, the 2nd one doesn't seem bad in isolation, but in the context of their previous posts, it's pretty obvious that they aren't here to be a constructive member of the community. ;)

JAD

> A reasonable person would find this content inappropriate for respectful discourse.

the description of r/a in the flag dialog

@ArtOfCode where does this policy come from. Is there a meta link that explains this? Seems odd to me

oh wait a second.

I thought you guys were discussing the answer @PM2Ring quoted as being not worth a red flag

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@JAD true we are

I just hope other mods and/or CM's will agree with me, but can't do much more. :)

JAD

1:08 PM

I think they meant this as not being with a red flag

which sounds more reasonable

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

I don't agree we should give trolls so much slack and give them chance to offend people.

JAD

still very much borderline though

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@JAD oh. Well, that might be.

But what @PM2 quoted was totally offensive.

JAD

100%

terdon

It was. And I might have cast a red flag on it, to be honest. But Art's point is also valid: red flags carry penalties and it's often not worth applying the penalty for first time offenders. So you might choose to just delete instead.

JAD

1:11 PM

like I said, borderline

terdon

personally, I found the "threat" of violence (will smack your freaking face to death) more offensive than the "idiot".

JAD

uhuh

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@terdon true

"I will end your life" does not contain offensive words, yet it's more offensive than "F*** you".

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I DIDN"T DO IT IT WAS @MITH

PM 2Ring

@terdon Fair enough. I can del-vote questions on Astronomy, but not answers. So my only option there is to flag, and leave it up to the mods.

M.A.R.

1:24 PM

What are my charges this time

PM 2Ring

Luckily, we still have a few mods on Astro, but I know 2 of them really scaled back their modding during the dramas last year, and I thought we might lose them.

M.A.R.

ELL was ever lenient and not at all moderation-y, but I hear mods are in trouble.

Chem has lost its appetite for delicate chemist bureaucracy. (Hint: this one was a good thing)

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@M.A.R. but I saw you

@M.A.R. being able to reply to deleted chat messages

Mithrandir24601

1:53 PM

@M.A.R. enters room ominously...

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@Mithrandir24601 careful, @M.A.R can mark you with a glowing chemical

;)

So, @Mith new look after @M.A.R marks it:

(very green... reminds me of @doppelgreener but even greener! ;))

ugh, maybe my green hat cause me to be use green so much....

doppelgreener

2:39 PM

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou what am i looking at here in the middle?

avazula

baby bird I think

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Nov 25 '19 at 9:15, by Mithrandir24601

@Stormblessed It's a photo I took a few years ago of some bird chicks :) No animals were harmed in the making of this photo and it was done under supervision of an expert :P

doppelgreener

d'aww

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

:)

M.A.R.

@avazula Mutant?

I can't make out their heads or tails

avazula

2:52 PM

@M.A.R. where are yours? unless you're a mutant kittens are supposed to have those too

M.A.R.

I'm a mutant, that's common knowledge

Magneto can attract metal with his hands? Big deal, I can repel people with my words.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@M.A.R. or attract them. :D

@M.A.R. found two heads:

No tails since they're sitting on them.

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Mithrandir24601

3:17 PM

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Ooh, nearly - there were 3 of them

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

@Mithrandir24601 sure, I found only two. I'm lazy. ;)

Why are they in a pile?

Gimby

I see three bird butts

Being well aware that such a thing does not really exist on birds. but bird butts sounds funny.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Birds have no butts??

So where their poop comes out from? :/ Maybe @M.A.R knows? :P

John Dvorak

It's called a cloaca, and it basically combines all three holes into one.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

ewww

lol

djsmiley2k TMW

3:29 PM

EFFICENTCY.

SOVIET BIRDPOWAR.

Shadow Wizard is Ear For You

Nature is efficient.

Humans are not, curiously enough.

So maybe we're not part of nature? ;)

hmm.... now there are four featured questions on MSE, which means one drops off the sidebar - wonder if it's not better to manually remove one?

Rob

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Now that's good eatin', and why I prefer beef.

user229044

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Ehh, I wouldn't say either of those things is particularly true. Bicycles, for example, are the most efficient form of locomotion there is. Humans are constantly improving on inefficiencies in nature.

Rob

3:46 PM

Like the bicycle seat:

user229044

Yes. Sometimes humans go too far

But, unarguably even more efficient that the traditional upright bicycle, which is already a marvel of efficiency

John Dvorak

4:03 PM

But you still have to balance

user229044

Err, fine

John Dvorak

ooh, nice

now, how to deal with car farts?

exhaust gases, in tech jargon

Bart

Inhale deeply and hope it destroys your Corona infection?

Mithical

✅ You agree not to hold the Tavern responsible for any damage, permanent or not, incurred as a result of taking Bart's advice.

John Dvorak

4:20 PM

Pro-tip: don't drink mexican beer and cycle. In fact, don't drink Mexican beer period. In fact, if you can't get Czech beer, you're better off sipping fermented grape juice than whatever they call beer in the USA.

Bart

@Mithical awww, this place is much less fun now. I can't even endanger people any more?

terdon

@JohnDvorak Come now. In a world that includes Belgian and German beers, why would you go for Czech?

user229044

I was in the USA all weekend drinking beer

(*Canadian imports)

terdon

(we can pretend the American ones don't exist, although I have tried some pretty decent artesanal ones)

John Dvorak

Plenty of experience. Never tried Belgian beer. Heard low of German beer.

user229044

4:32 PM

Belgian beer is great.

Abbey ale ftw.

Trappist beer

Trappist beer is brewed by Trappist monks. Fourteen monasteries—six in Belgium, two in the Netherlands, and one each in Austria, Italy, England, France, Spain and the United States—currently produce Trappist beer as recognized by the International Trappist Association. In addition, the Authentic Trappist Product label is assigned to the beer products of twelve breweries. == History == The Catholic Trappist order originated in the Cistercian monastery of La Trappe, France. Various Cistercian congregations existed for many years, and by 1664 the Abbot of La Trappe felt that the Cistercians ...

terdon

@JohnDvorak Um. OK. I admit I wasn't particularly impressed by Czech beer, but I only spent a couple of days in Prague. Still, all I could find was lager and the odd pilsner, better than crappy ones like Heiniken or Carlsberg, but not particularly interesting either.

Is there a large artesanal beer movement or something? Would I not get the good stuff in a normal bar?

Andras Deak

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Q: An Update On Creative Commons Licensing

We’d like to provide you with an update to our transition to version 4.0 of the CC BY-SA license. We realize that this is something that you care deeply about, and that our response to your concerns is long overdue. We’d like to thank all of you for your patience while we worked on a plan forward...

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Not linked yet, right? ^

John Dvorak

@user229044 Have they branded beers 1b through 1h yet? If not, wasted opportunity methinks.

Rob

5:01 PM

🤦‍♂️✔️🍺 - If it's not Kokanee then it's what's served on the field of the Azteca Stadium.

PM 2Ring

Yay for the diligent members on MSE:

Wow. Thanks so much for posting this - last week was a very long one and you just saved our team another (very surprising) headache <3 — Nick Craver ♦ 39 mins ago

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terdon

5:24 PM

@PM2Ring heh, 4 different SE employees commented with thanks! Sounds like there's a very relieved dev team somewhere :)

Mad Scientist

@terdon It's a really annoying thing to run into, and the slow/missing communication and extremely short deadline make it very easy to miss this entirely

terdon

I can imagine.

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5:44 PM

@Sha Three more months for Bibi? Israelis are strange people :D You seem to prefer to have just no working government.

Mithrandir24601

6:27 PM

@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I was probably told at the time but I've long forgotten :/

Sterling Archer

I deleted my snarky comment at the end... stackoverflow.com/questions/60513232/… but honestly... I don't know how much more new user abuse I can handle.

It's daily :(

How on earth do I deal with this without leaving SO?

user400654

delete teh auto comment and move on

Sterling Archer

Move on to the next rude new user? There has to be more than that cycle -- it's unsustainable.

user400654

IMO the system should never use our names/likeness to present information to other users.

in other words, don't become a target

and you won't be targeted

Sterling Archer

That's... terrible advice.

user400654

6:38 PM

What is the alternative?

Sterling Archer

Try to fix things?

user400654

how.

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No comments at all. I am experienced.

Don't argue.

user400654

how do you make people not be rude? you don't give them the opportunity to be

unfortunately, it's not just new users who are rude

people earn enough rep to comment even while being rude

Sterling Archer

Isn't that the same argument that people use about how women dress? "Well you wouldn't be a target ..."

John Dvorak

6:41 PM

"well, you did have a "kick me" sign attached to your jacket"

rene

@SterlingArcher I was about to dupe vote it: stackoverflow.com/questions/57186457 ...

user400654

Sure. but what does pushing against that argument solve? does claiming it's a stupid argument make people who feel that way act differently?

Sterling Archer

New users need to be held to the same standard, if not harder than established users. I'm not saying a high rep user should be able to get away with being rude, nobody should. But a new user comes, does not respect the rules, and bashes people who were nice and informative should suffer harshly as well.

user400654

ok, so, hold them to that standard

this user just was

but that didn't stop them from being rude to you

rene

@SterlingArcher user has deleted both question and the account. Let's move on.

terdon

6:43 PM

@SterlingArcher What makes you think new users are treated differently? If you're rude, you will be suspended or your post deleted.

The point is that someone else being rude is no excuse for me to be rude. If I see rudeness, be it from a new user or an established one, I flag.

user400654

In the case of SO, except in extreme cases, there's no punishment that can be dished out that can't be gotten around by making another account or accessing from another location

All we can do is react to problems

we can't prevent them entirely

Sterling Archer

We can always be pro-active

user400654

The best case scenario for this case would have been you raising a flag with the first rude comment, and moving on

further engaging with someone like that doesn't make it better

terdon

@user400654 Suspensions are harder to get around, but what's the point of punishment anyway? New users don't care about the site, so we have no way of punishing them, as such. More importantly, why would we want to? If someone is rude, we just want them to i) stop being rude or ii) leave the site. Either one would do. I have no interest in also seeing them punished.

Sterling Archer

The point was, it's not a singular occurrence. I'm getting tired of being yelled at for following the rules, and I don't like "stepping back from SO" being the only valid answer

terdon

6:45 PM

@SterlingArcher No, just step back from that post.

Sterling Archer

I did, however, there's always the next post.

terdon

If that's also horrible, step back from that one too. There are what, a few thousand posts a day on SO?

user400654

that's not a solvable problem

terdon

If you can't ignore people being assholes on the internet, then you probably don't want to be involved in a site like this one. Sadly, the assholes come with the territory.

All we can do is learn to step away and ignore them once they've shown their colors.

And believe me, it's about 10 times harder to do as a mod when you see all the ugly.

Sterling Archer

If I step away, the "assholes" win. After nearly 9 years of curation, it's quite difficult to let that happen without a fight

user400654

6:49 PM

flag them.

terdon

@SterlingArcher Ah, no. That's the fallacy. Nobody "wins" here, it isn't that sort of game. And certainly nobody wins if the people who could answer their questions walk away.

user400654

the rude ones are the exception. let the mods deal with it

terdon

^^ this

Sterling Archer

I totally agree, and I have said that I flagged it. It's just the volume is overwhelming

terdon

I have gotten far, far more "OMG thank you so much!!!!" comments from new users than I have gotten rudeness.

John Dvorak

6:50 PM

Solution: less answering, more closing

Sterling Archer

I'm just thinking outloud, but if a new user's post or comments get flagged, there should be steeper punishing. Higher standards for new users, instead of the coddling that didn't work

terdon

@SterlingArcher I get that. But that's just the way it is when we're dealing with a site the size of SO. Even if the rude ones are only 0.001%, that's still a lot in terms of actual numbers and it can indeed be very frustrating.

I have my calm, collected mod hat on now, but don't be fooled: I've gotten in as many pointless arguments with trolls as the next user.

Sterling Archer

I know I'm just ranting a smidge, it's been a tough couple of SO days in this regard for me

John Dvorak

... or even 0.015% :grimacing:

terdon

@SterlingArcher Heh, no worries. And I'm in my "do as I say, not necessarily as I have consistently done" mode. :P

user400654

6:52 PM

just don't be unwelcoming /s

terdon

I only wish I'd always followed my own advice and walked away.

Sterling Archer

I believe I am note a rude person or commenter, but walking away is sometimes very hard.

You write up a very detailed, polite explanation on why the question needs editting etc etc, boom. I'm the jackass. It's infuriating lol

how dare you not welcome me [question about sample codes]

user400654

🚽

terdon

Seriously though, that really comes with the territory. If you can't learn to walk away, you will just get more and more frustrated.

Sterling Archer

I can walk away from 98% of my CVs. The ones that slight me, I genuinely feel like I need to take them down a peg for the audacity

(not literally)

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6:57 PM

@SterlingArcher Sure. I am also not believing that for myself. Though I was banned for another year long suspension, just replying to a comment made from another user (not the OP).

PM 2Ring

@SterlingArcher Steeper punishment is pointless. A 1 rep newbie has literally nothing to lose. And I suspect that plenty of people who have no desire to become part of the community simply create a new account each time they want to ask a question. That's difficult to prove, although sometimes they blatantly admit it up front.

Sterling Archer

For example, when the user in question posted that link "why is stackoverflow so mean" after I explained.. oh boy did i flash red for a moment. But that's when I deleted my comment and walked and complained

I would like to see SE acknowledge the issue. I know it's a lot to ask, but just knowing that they support us in the fight would really go a long way for me.

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Flag and move on ....

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