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12:00 AM
Link no worky 😂
Seems to work
 
12:15 AM
:/
 
Rob
12:26 AM
The ceiling cat mystery deepens:
 
12:51 AM
oh, updates, neat!
seems like the company is working hard on evaporating all the nice people
I sincerely hope that whatever business goal they are aiming for as the Greater Good will fail miserably and loudly :)
@SEisevil plenty of people have speculated that all of this is intentional: driving away people who oppose the agenda
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@AndrasDeak that requires a level of competence more than I have seen 😁
 
1:13 AM
The way Monica was fired on the spot smelled a lot like Setting An Example
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The incompetence was choosing an immaculate target
Very much read like the company having a chip on its shoulder (pun honestly not intended, this is the only idiom I know for this)
 
1:55 AM
damn... but yea, that's about what I expected from this shortsighted management.
thankfully we still haven't lost sight of the actual greater good, and we can take it with us elsewhere
I was kinda hoping there would be about 4 major prominent initiatives by now, but I've only heard of two (Codidact and Topanswers)
probably closer to summer then
 
 
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7:34 AM
@SEisevil predictable to whom? the way shog describes it here the higher ups were annoyed they had to spend 5 minutes thinking about their core community once a year? It's entirely plausible that someone with this little exposure to it had no idea how anyone would react.
of course, what they ended up doing after was pretty much the worst case scenario, but that too is plausible if the people calling the shots view it as annoying distraction and want to expend as little effort as possible on it
 
@Magisch Advanced incompetence indistinguishable from malice is also a possible explanation
 
Imagine you're a startup business executive. Your main day to day is talking to investors, customers, drumming up support and thinking of ways to market the products. Maybe you don't have exposure to how this is different from say quora or reddit. And then suddenly someone pulls you into something that takes experience and care to handle properly
 
Hmm? Anything new that sparked this? (i.e. new info?)
 
if you view that as annoying and a distraction to your important work (tm) then it's no surprise you end up behaving like a bull in a china shop
 
Poor bull will get Corona. :(
 
7:42 AM
Apparently there was the first case of corona here in the Golan, fun news
 
There are 2 people with corona being treated 10km from here
fun times
 
10 hours ago, by Mithical
"2019 in Review", by @JonEricson
 
@Mithical just read article saying that during 2017-2018 winter 45000000 (45M) people got the flu in USA, 60k of them died. Yet they didn't close the airports, didn't check every passenger, and didn't cause panic. So this whole corona thing is.... blown waaay out of any proportions.
 
if I understand this correctly, the only reason they needed to "urgently" remove monica's diamonds was because the person who usually did it, Jon, would have refused based on his consience, and they didn't want to have to publicly fire him so they chose a time where he was at his son's soccer practice
 
That said..... not coming to the Golan now.... :D
 
7:49 AM
that's pretty cold, even for a soulless pr executive
 
@Magisch it fits perfectly for the image I have in mind for some people. Plus, it's a business. It was their full right to do it, and they can also suspend now hundreds of users on a whim. Evan was correct in some things, as annoying as it may be: SE is a dictatorship, for good and for bad.
So yeah, such actions are sometimes unavoidable.
 
@Shadow9 I hate the "it's a business" excuse. We need to stop cutting anyone any slack because of that
 
Didn't read Jon's blog yet. TL;DR before I do?
 
do read it, no tl;dr will do it justice
 
@Magisch I cut them no slack, believe me.
I just say that's the reason they chop heads and send them flying.
 
7:53 AM
yeah but until now (I always do this everywhere) I was assuming incompetence over malice
 
nah
 
reading jon's blog post some malice was definitely involved and I have absolutely no reason to doubt his account of events
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But no, not malice. Business culture, or whatever it's called.
 
no, actual malice. I don't care what your culture is
such a move is just malicious
 
Which of the moves?
 
7:55 AM
read jon's blog post
 
hmm
 
specifically the part of what they did to monica
 
Need lots of...
!!/coffee
 
@Shadow9 brews a cup of Ristretto for @Shadow9
 
it's not a long read
 
7:55 AM
@SmokeDetector more plz
@Magisch it's... mentally draining. I know it will be. That's what holding me from reading such things on spot.
 
of course it is. But it's also necessary
 
batch of two. Travelling, and bundler. @rene @Sonic @Glorfindel
@Bart is gone. :(
): Gone is @Bart.
 
Read Jon's blog post and schmooz with Cat, Shog, Jon, and Meg on Discord ;)
 
sch what?
 
the pains of not having discord at work
 
8:00 AM
שמוז is a cat name! lol
 
(also a benefit because I need to be productive today)
 
Verb: schmooz (third-person singular simple present schmoozes, present participle schmoozing, simple past and past participle schmoozed)
  1. Alternative spelling of schmooze
 
@Mithical Link only answer
(aka it does not define the word ;))
"Went is the past tense of Go"
 
on a less depressing note
how was everyone's weekend?
 
Son turned 7
Got a HUGE Brawl Stars cake.
Turns out it's a popular cake.... it was exactly like this one:
 
JAD
8:12 AM
@Magisch my weekend involved lego and reptiles, so pretty good :)
 
@JAD are your snakes doing well?
 
JAD
yep, Snor seems to be recovering well, by the looks of it.
My gf volunteers at a charity that focuses on conservation of and education about reptiles. They often have events at big pet-shops where they offer handling sessions and classes about reptiles. Last saturday we helped at a petshop/zoo in The Hague
It's basically a full day of walking around with snakes and having kids handle them
 
no venomous ones, I hope!
 
JAD
Last year we were there we also had venomous snakes, but they stayed locked in their cages
 
heh, there are probably nonvenomous snakes that would also be a bad idea to let kids handle
imagines a kid with a green tree python in hand
 
JAD
8:20 AM
We had two ball pythons, a milk snake, a corn snake, a bearded dragon, a blue-tongue skink, some monitor lizard (only for classes) and an albino burmese python (also only for classes)
oh, and a big spider (but that's not really my specialty)
 
paradoxically, spiders get less scary the bigger they are
 
JAD
@Magisch well, the burmese was 3m long, we basically stood there holding him with two people, so people could get a picture with them
 
@JAD I imagine it was used to being held and pretty calm, though
green tree pythons are known for being sassy and bitey
 
JAD
oh he was puppy-dog tame. just really really heavy
I felt my back at the end of the day, that's for sure
 
!!/snake
 
8:24 AM
@Shadow9 No such command 'snake'.
 
:(
 
I held a beardie once
 
@Magisch That's not how I read it. Certainly nobody paid much attention to me taking time away from the computer now and then. Lots of people could have done the actual demodding.
 
@JonEricson combined with shog's account of how they couldn't produce a compelling reason for the urgency, that's exactly how I read it
and really, with all that and the surrounding context, it's not logical or possible to give them the benefit of the doubt on that
 
!!/tea Jon
 
8:28 AM
@Shadow9 brews a cup of earl grey tea for @Jon
 
No idea what the urgency was all about.
 
I see the urgency as an attempt for a quick and clean cut.
 
@JonEricson shog also has no idea. Considering this and what I know about monica (monica is polite to a fault and super reasonable, even telling her to take an early holiday would probably have sufficed if there even was a problem) I can only conclude that there was no urgency and that either someone threatened them to write a scathing post somewhere or they wanted you and as many other people who might object as possible out of the picture
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I believe in coincidences but this isn't one.
 
How Smokey missed that?
 
@Magisch Could be. It's one mystery I don't expect to solve.
 
8:33 AM
@JNat cross site spammer for your gentle nuking. Thanks! :)
 
@JonEricson Of course, it's no longer your problem to deal with
can't imagine the other CMs are having a great time right now.
 
drama-sense tingling
 
Too late
Drama is over, left some ripples and moved on.
 
@Magisch nope. But to be fair... There was a company whose SharePoint department used to have a MLP pony as its symbol.
I think it was Liquid Mercury.
Or a similar name.
 
afaik the guy with that resume wrote a popular open source machine learning library called YOLO
and has that resume
which he actually posts to job applications
that's just a guy with no confidence issues :D
 
8:47 AM
@Yaakov hey, quick question... any chance you can add GitHub icon to the OpenID Logos sprites image? Thanks, and "No" is totally acceptable response, as always. :)
 
ok, had to search. I still don't remember the name of the company, but this was the logo.
 
@Magisch I like that name. You create something intelligent and then name it a catchphrase of people who don't generally think :)
 
JAD
@Gimby welcome to every new data technology of the last decade
I assume you know of the "Is it ML or Pokemon?"-quiz?
 
don't ask me if this user has just reused the image (good luck to the company in any attempt to claim ownership on a picture that seems to use the original show flash puppets) or they actually work in the company.
 
JAD
:shrug: free publicity?
 
8:59 AM
@JAD wonderful.
.... thank you.... thank you for showing me this....
Who cares about Robotwars now....
Now I found a show with actual giant robots.
 
@JAD I do not, I shall google
 
Rob
NP, it was for JG; but others are welcome to look.
 
9:18 AM
on an unrelated note, it looks like the first election this year will start on February 17, 2020 on Space Exploration
at least, this is the only one for which a date has been announced yet
 
@BlueSoul well, they have employee with this name: linkedin.com/in/thomascarpe
 
@Shadow9 well, then now we know who choose that picture, I guess.
 
if someone sent us a MLP style resume, I'd lobby for them to be invited for an interview because of sheer interest
what is that person like? I'd want to find out
 
@BlueSoul yup
 
9:41 AM
@Shadow9 definitely maybe
 
9:52 AM
@YaakovEllis thanks? :)
 
@Rob hm?
 
morning journey
 
That's accurate 😂
Even if it's afternoon
 
Rob
@Shadow9 It maybe probably definitely, maybe: meta.stackexchange.com/q/343181/282094
18 hours ago, by Rob
They built a Gundam (bicorn?) a few years ago, and there's walking ones more recently: https://youtu.be/zgF_-JEBG1M?t=1m8s https://youtu.be/Z-ouLX8Q9UM?t=16m46s https://youtu.be/-DKwl0OjoYE https://youtu.be/F1nVldck7HM
 
@Magisch out of curiosity - that resume... is just hand-made or that guy actually wrote a generator available somewhere?
in the meantime... I was searching for an old post of mine. Found an haiku instead.
in Kirin Village Outskirts on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Oct 11 '19 at 10:16, by Derpy
> The meta war still rages
white pieces against white pieces
the white king in a corner thinking
wondering how someone could checkmate.
 
JAD
10:10 AM
@Gimby In case you couldn't find it: pixelastic.github.io/pokemonorbigdata
 
@Rob yeah that's what led me to ask Mr. Ellis. :)
 
@JourneymanGeek see here. Disclaimer: was written far ago, before some additional clues were found, so some part aren't really fitting. The core still stands.
 
> Jirachi is a steel and psychic-type Pokémon with no known evolutions. It should not be confused with JIRA, an issue tracker for software teams.
 
Rob
Weird that it broke
 
What broke?
The GH icon? It was never there.
They only recently added the option to login with GitHub.
 
10:18 AM
@Rob ah! ok
 
Rob
What we were discussing, that icon was in the big image that you linked to here so each login option should have an offset to the sprite table.
 
ahhhhhh
 
@Rob not sure what you mean, sorry. I can't see GH icon in the sprites, you can see it?
 
Rob
Thought I did, looking again.
@Shadow9 Oops, guess not; probably it would be this:
 
Well, it's a design choice to use a single Sprites with all the icons together, not separate icon or each type of login.
 
Rob
10:28 AM
@Shadow9 Would have been better to default to a blank than default to a broken image:
 
It saves requests to server, which boost page load speed.
 
Rob
 
@Rob no idea where the offset in taken from, that's another issue I guess.
Anyway, let's wait for Yaakov to work his magic on this. ;)
 
Rob
Designed to break, or status-bydesign.
When I write I try to allow for whatever, the result being better errors.
 
Well the icon is not broken. It shows part of the Sprites.
Just need to add GH icon there, and fix the offset.
 
Rob
10:34 AM
The "log", isn't that the 'alt'?
Making coffee ...
 
@Magisch You aren't familiar with @Shadow's reading time, are you? Every time he asks a question in the other room, he cries that I reply with a wall of text and that it will take him a day to read it :P
 
...would anyone know how to exclude closed questions from a really simple SEDE query?
 
@Rob no, it's part of the sprites.
Showing "log" just by chance.
@BlueSoul can take more than a day. @M.A.R asked me to read something few years ago, for example, and @It's taking me a long time to do it. :D
Let's see if I can find it....
 
Rob
Ah, probably grabbed Google's log; instead of my red square depicted above.
 
Huh. Not even two years.
in Shadow's Den, Apr 5 '18 at 23:10, by Shadow Wizard
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ hmm... need to sleep over it before I can tell what's my opinion on it. :)
 
Rob
 
They're English lemmas
 
11:13 AM
Hey guys, anyone with a gold FR badge around here, that could reverse the dupe closure of this question meta.stackexchange.com/questions/343178/… the other way around.
As the closed question has a status tag, and an answer, whilst the dupe tartget has neither.
 
Well, there's @Sha
 
@Luuklag done
 
Thanks @YaakovEllis
 
> A community member has associated this post with a similar question
But Yaakov used his diamond to close. ;)
@Mithical can't beat @Yaakov, he's faster than me. :(
:P
 
you're going to need to go back to ninja school I'm afraid
 
11:19 AM
(I was going to do it, just to notice the other question being closed while I was watching ;))
@Mithical Yaakov is its manager, most likely.
 
Spitballing: What would people think of a tag instead of the "can no longer be reproduced" close reason? Closing questions that were perfectly fine like that has never sat well with me. (For instance: meta.stackexchange.com/q/217432/294691)
 
@Mithical I'd back that
 
@YaakovEllis lol :D
 
Rob
Heart rip
 
11:22 AM
there would be 6-8 weeks of people flagging for that :D
 
@Mithical +1
 
Rob
@Mithical Related:
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Q: Should we close bug reports that are tagged [status-completed]?

AntonyI came across this bug report that was closed after it has been tagged status-completed. It looks like a perfectly fine bug report to me, but somehow it was closed as off-topic. Take a look at the close reason: The problem described here can no longer be reproduced. Changes to the system or ...

The difference being that it wasn't tagged as fixed (as is often the case) but was fixed either as a result of another unassociated report or simply changes made over time (an orphan bug).
 
12:01 PM
@Mithical I like it
 
Hey Dan
 
You know, the redesigns were forever ago, yet I still move the mouse to the wrong place to ask a question.
 
I forgot where the Ask Question was before.... :/
 
Higher and more to the right.
 
In the logo line?
 
12:04 PM
Yeah, after the questions | tags | users | badges thing
 
hmm
And it was visible inside a single question page too?
 
It also doesn't help that it's not in the same place if you're on the home page as it is when you're on a question page.
 
does anyone know if vote reversals work like the votes were never cast or do they count seperately against the reputation cap?
 
@Shadow9 I think so?
 
I think I wanted to post a bug report at some point about it, since having "Ask Question" when you're viewing a question didn't seem right.
 
12:05 PM
@Magisch It's recalculated like they were never cast in terms of the repcap, IIRC.
 
@Mithical I thought that too but I can't find any source for it
context is this complaint from a user: meta.stackexchange.com/a/343203/308386
 
@Mithical not sure, see here.
oh, ninjad again.
sob
!!/cry
 
@Shadow9 No such command 'cry'.
 
:(
 
A recalc happens once every few days
(they're visible to moderators when they happen)
(for those curious, they are attributed to the Community user in a user's history)
So in any case, it's entirely possible that a recalc simply hasn't happened yet.
 
12:12 PM
I took a look through his rep history and it seems the recalc has happened yet
the breakdown shows +300/-70 for +230 which is consistent with 200 repcap +2x15 accepted answers for that user
 
@Magisch has happened already, or didn't happen yet?
 
has already
 
@Magisch I suspect the latter
the counter increments as long as you hit the repcap as I understand it. But as always, if someone who knows what they're talking about disagrees... :D
and a reversal gets treated as a rep addition/removal event
 
12:31 PM
@Mithical Turned it into an official feature request.
 
We're in the Status Review Golden Age
 
1:26 PM
oh, nice.
Man on the Internet choose the good Final Fantasy.
(instead of .. you know... more ff7)
 
1:50 PM
Ack
 
did they get rid of the mobile page?
 
@BlueSoul I was pretty obsessed with FF8 when I was younger. FF7 didn't do that much for me honestly.
 
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Q: Please don't completely remove the mobile website, for the benefit of users on slow connections

Sonic the Anonymous HedgehogA Stack Exchange employee just said the following regarding the mobile site: We are actively working on the responsive design that works on both desktop and mobile, based on screen size. Once that is finished and perfected, mobile web will be slated for complete removal. I was recently visi...

 
It looks like they finally moved the profile page over to being responsive but it didn't go so well.
 
@Rubiksmoose I... kinda "dislike" FF7 for a series of reasons. Mind you, I still enjoy it from a gameplay perspective, but I am not very fond of the plot.
 
1:55 PM
@Mithical no? It's not responsive.
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Q: Help us improve the user profile and settings

DonnaUpdate: Findings are shared here. You might know the user profile and settings. It’s what appears after you click on your profile picture. Maybe you come here to track your Q&A activity or to update your Developer Story. Maybe you’ve stopped by to manage your email settings, opt-in to Be...

Never got any update on that. ^
Maybe in 6-8 years.... but doubt it.
 
....did you read my message
5 mins ago, by Mithical
user image
2 mins ago, by Mithical
It looks like they finally moved the profile page over to being responsive but it didn't go so well.
It definitely did not not do that as of a couple days ago.
 
@Mithical it's the same content, all messed up. It can't be called "responsive".
 
> but it didn't go so well
It's adjusted to the screen size.
Which it doesn't do very well, admittedly.
 
/me wakes up to a wall of blatantly off-topic questions. *It's just another Meta Monday...."
 
@RobertColumbia do you wish it was sunday?
is that your fun-day?
 
2:00 PM
OK, let me re-phrase. Responsive design, in my opinion, means moving things around to fit all kinds of screens. e.g. in the top bar, on smaller screen, the rep and badges disappear, hamburger menu appears, side bar move to the bottom, etc. From quick look in the profile page with the same small screen size, nothing changes. It's the exact same content, just in small screen. So of course it's all messed up.
 
@RobertColumbia Welcome back to the waking world. Please enjoy it while you can.
 
@Shadow9 Yes. They were planning on trying to make the profile page responsive. It looks like this is a failed first effort at that.
 
@BlueSoul There's several story beats that I do love in 7. Obviously the death one is stupid.
 
@Rubiksmoose I wouldn't want to annoy/bore you out... but I have my reason to believe that some of that plot is just a desperate attempt at .... be what they weren't meant to be.
 
@Mithical hmm.... well, not sure now. Anyway if it's not undone in few hours guess bug report is due. :)
 
2:06 PM
but yep, just my personal headcanon.
 
@BlueSoul I'm intrigued. Though I'm not sure I remember enough about the game to appreciate a detailed theory.
 
@RobertColumbia well, there are many every day, you miss most due to mods nuking them silently.
 
@Rubiksmoose well, avoiding the "ultimate" theory that FF7 was actually born as FF6-2 which is just kinda of a personal rant more than something I could prove I simply think that the "death" was far less planned that they are trying to make it appear.
I also kinda think that "Tifa" was just a "last minute" sort of addition to be fair.
 
@BlueSoul This seems plausible to me at least.
 
@Rubiksmoose well, I am not exactly inclined to think there was a lot of thought about the "plot" when the character was famous more because of the way she kicked enemies (hint: short dress and high kick) than for her role in the story.
 
2:20 PM
@BlueSoul Yeah... female characters in FF haven't necessarily been the best. And Tifa is definitely one of the less good ones IMO (and from very limited FF experience)
 
Hmm? What's wrong with Selphie? Rinoa? :)
 
anything is better than Tifa.
 
@Shadow9 I thought FF8 was pretty good with the characters. I liked both Selphie and Rinoa.
 
@Rubiksmoose :)
 
But I should probably retract that statement anyways. It's based mostly off of vague memories second-hand articles I've read and less on actual play.
 
2:25 PM
I played FF8 twice and half.
 
But Tifa is pretty bad even outside the context of others.
@Shadow9 Same! That was my jam.
 
Yup
Played FF7 but to be honest, don't remember Tifa. Had to Google. :/
 
fanservice oriented character, forced triangle resolution, martial artist that end ups in a slap fight because female.... throw some stereotype in, she probably has that.
I mean, at least it is not DoA... but I kinda expected something better from FF
 
Still better than Puff Puff.
 
@Shadow9 Honey Bee. Just saying....
Oh, and since you mentioned that....
 
2:31 PM
?
 
@BlueSoul XD That's the one thing from FF7 that I remember the most lol.
 
Cloud "female" disguise has multiple components... cologne, wigs, dress.....
Each component has three variants.
Yet, one of them has two.
Thanks to text dumps it is know what the third variant was meant to be.
Trust me. It is for the better than they cut that off.
 
Heh. I've been trying to figure out what in the world you people are talking about. It finally dawned on me that "FF" is more likely to be "Final Fantasy" than "Firefox", which means everything else I don't get is presumably some sort of gaming jargon.
 
rofl
 
I was thinking "honey bee"? Ah, probably talking about the serious and scary decline in honey bee populations and the resultant ecological crisis.
 
2:35 PM
@terdon that is a worthwhile topic to talk about though
 
@terdon final fantasy
and they're referring to a remake of an old game
 
@JourneymanGeek yes, isn't that what I wrote? That was my clue!
I've heard of final fantasy.
 
2:56 PM
@Shadow9 I'm still there, I'm just not present.
 
how do I do scaling on desktop firefox to get the mobile view with a different dpi
I can't exactly reproduce the wack mobile screenshot above
but it's pretty wacky
 
@terdon just ranting about FF7 plot. As usual.
 
Which, presumably, is the 7th installment of the Final Fantasy game series?
 
yep
you know, the remake is getting near. And with it, the evil trick it brings
 
If you say so.
 
2:59 PM
well, the moose probably would understand. If you never played the game... I could explain but it would be quite long.
 
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