Why do I always have to escalate to community managers to get support for the idea that you shouldn't call people what they don't want to be called.

uh?

This comes up fairly often. Someone asks "how do I deal with the pronoun issue", and someone else says "just call everyone "they". No, just don't call anyone something they don't want to be called.

Some people don't want to be called "they". This is entirely supported by the CoC. Why do my comments about this get deleted, and why do I keep having to escalate to CMs in order to get support for this

@DeNovo Ok... so...

People abuse comments

Comments are supposed to be for clarifications to a post

Unfortunately people seem to think meta is special and have entire long conversations in comments

Pretty much if its important and on topic, it could/should be in an answer.

Clarifications like, you should just call people what they want to be called? Clarifications like that?

No, stuff like "Do you actually mean ambiguity?"

Stuff that helps make a post better

And the other clarification that I was trying to correct (you can call everyone "they") doesn't get deleted?

Well

We don't hunt down comments. If they get flagged, we review and we determine what to do

@DeNovo If it's a comment, flag it as NLN

Some keywords get autonuked. Not our fault

Assuming the comment is also not being used for their intended purpose of improving the post.

I'll just escalate to community managers again. It's really unfortunate that mods don't support the idea you shouldn't call people what they don't want to be called.

@DeNovo I mean, we do support that.

...

I don't support the idea of doing so on extended comments

Generally, comments are for two things: suggesting improvements to the question or answer they're on, or for asking clarifying questions about the question/answer (i.e. if something's unclear in what the querent is asking or what the answer is stating/recommending). As JG says, especially on a stack of this size, the mods can't personally vet every comment, so they'll likely only act on a comment that's flagged unless it's a custom flag pointing out a larger issue that needs more context.

So delete the thread

I wouldn't say "mods deleted one of my comments" = "mods don't support the idea you shouldn't call people what they don't want to be called".

Did you flag the other comments for cleanup?

I think you might be equating a comment removal (which can happen for a variety of reasons) with a general statement of policy. The CoC says to call people what they ask to be called and mods are supposed to support that.

I've actually got the post in question open, and am reviewing the comments in between work stuff

It happens repeatedly on this particular issue. It's why this keeps coming up. People aren't told that, no, you can't call everyone "they", you should call people what they ask to be called.

@DeNovo It's not always that simple, though often that's exactly what we do.

So... post an answer to that effect.

@DeNovo Here's the thing: that discussion more often than not should not be happening in the first place in the comments. I understand wanting to correct the record though, I really do.

@JourneymanGeek thanks! I appreciate it!

Posted another answer :D

@DeNovo also, I tend to try to practice what I preach WRT comments

And clean up after myself

But right now, comment volumes are really high, and I've never been one for the combine harvester approach.

WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU, THE COMMENTS ARE TOO LOUD

I shall use that as an excuse the next time someone complains over flag handling speed.

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@Glorfindel quite frankly, comment only locks are too damned tempting on meta.

though the one time I used one, it seemed to go without notice.

@JourneymanGeek yeah, it's a hard time being a Meta.SE mod.

oh also, relating to one of your flags...

Is there anything special one needs to do to enable keyboard shortcuts?

I've plenty of spammers to nuke I suspect but I never quite got it to work :D

.... ah

I'll give it a shot later

Don't use a big gun though

Those shortcuts are sensitive.

Small pistol is fine.

My son got a few nerf guns for christmas

including a small pistol one

That thing goes off like the noisy cricket from MiB.

hides the 120mm tank gun...

@JourneymanGeek this script is faster

More seriously, I'll be careful

for those who don't know.

@Glorfindel most of my spam nuking is off smokey RSS feeds :D

and I rather not rely too much on site specific userscripts

That script checks if the spammer has any deleted posts first, and a couple of other things.

@Glorfindel I switch between machines a lot

I'd rather have the same workflow across.

Its a pain in the rear not having per forma comments on this machine since I use falkon portable

Yeah, I know it's not ideal for all users. Then the keyboard shortcuts are better. (Hence my bug report.)

@djsmiley2kindarkness LOL... now I can't get it out of my head.....

:

:D

Just want to test it so I can slap a status tag on it

@Eleeza The script does indeed use JQuery. And the script also does nothing to include JQuery (for example with a require)

But JQuery should already be loaded on the WinterBash site

I can see it being loaded from ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.12.4/jquery.min.js

Is there a chance that some of your Ads Blockers (or anything similar) is blocking the domain googleapis.com?

Seems odd, but that is the only explanation I can think off.

!!/allspam stackapps.com/users/65866/user247388

@Eleeza OH! Sorry, I didn't see the update. But.... I know the cause of that "bug".

look where the script defines the "newColors" array

this is the original version:

It is an array of strings.

To have it run on Firefox... Wrap each color in the array in a single quote.

> const newColors = ['"#272727"', '"#757575"', ....................]

You must have both the single and the double quote.

@JNat old time cross site spammer, since some accounts are 6 years (!) old, maybe double check before nuking, i.e. maybe account hacked. Still, posted obvious spam on several sites today. Thanks!

@Hitodama that's super silly. Glad I don't use Firefox if that's the kind of programming they demand.

@ShadowTheBurningWizard nope, that is probably an effect of a workaround Art used. But I don't want to spend more time on it.

just a few lines above there is this instruction:

> let source = isFF ? f.toSource() : f.toString();

the "isFF" seems like a "isFireFox" flag.

source gets assigned two different values depending on that.

I assume that is tied to the error, but I don't have time now to really look at it.

Oh... thought it's FF thing that requires the quotes mess, if it's a developer choice it's "fine". Some just use weird style, and it's their right. As long as the code is working, it's all good. :)

Who wrote it? Someone from here?

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Like I said, I don't have any further insight, sorry. I assume that Art had to do some workaround to make it work on FF, but he forgot a step (the quotes in the array)

@ShadowTheBurningWizard @ArtOfCode wrote the original version.

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@Tinkeringbell HOLY CRAP THAT IS ONE AWES . . . Oh I found Waldo behind the glass wardrobe thingy

Dotted, but I'm pretty sure it's him

@M.A.R. That's not Waldo XD ... That's Mr. Jummy. He's (was?) a mascot for a cookie brand here ;)

@Tinkeringbell or that's what Waldo wants you to think

No one expects Carmen Santiago in PINK!

@Tinkeringbell Until he was replaced by an air dancer

Such cruel world

aren't those those things that go straight for fire?

Like those flappy insect things.

Shouldn't that be fire dancer?

they start in air. Then in fire. AND SCREAMING

Someone's in the mood.

For wheelchair stories.

not really no

:S

For my part I want something lighthearted

Okay I'm lost...

How did we go from Mr. Jummy to this?

I've only been watching dark and edgy stuff, and exam month is nigh

And as you can see, it has its effects on my English

too much candy

and vague extencisial gloom

but that's a story for later

@M.A.R. You realize what you are risking with such a claim?

@JourneymanGeek Sighs in a prolonged manner What does Mr. Jummy think of his life . . .

What was his purpose?

@JourneymanGeek To be Waldo . . . Another sigh

@Hitodama A story about grenades, homicidal maniacs or wheelchairs.

@Hitodama Uh, as long as it's not monetary

I'm kinda tired after a Phys Ed exam and half an hour of futsal

Although I didn't run much because my knee was already kaput.

I could heart some uselighted I mean use some heartlighted I mean snores

usenetted!

@Hitodama oh

@JourneymanGeek nope. A magical world full of candy colored ponies.

that's depressing.

Too diabetic

Wait, candy colored

@JourneymanGeek Did you mean: usenoot

nootu

@ShadowTheBurningWizard oh

@M.A.R. Resistance is futile.

@M.A.R. oh+

@ShadowTheBurningWizard oh?

@M.A.R. !!oh

@ShadowTheBurningWizard oh*

Quick question... Am I (hopefully) wrong or this implies that standard elected diamond mods can see users emails?

I always assumed that the email info was strictly employees only.

@Hitodama yes

couple of clicks and its logged

useful once or twice when looking for socks

@ShadowTheBurningWizard oh

@JourneymanGeek ... maybe.... but personally I doubt it is exactly GDPR compliant. Thanks for the info anyway, something else to consider I suppose.

throwing ‮ on @Mithical

:D

@M.A.R. ‮

‮

0_0

‮

𝕮𝔞𝔫 𝕴 𝔧𝔬𝔦𝔫?

(blank)

Yay it works now! Thank you @Hitodama :D

@Eleeza my pleasure

And now, time for me to go be a wizard

Oh that's how you do italics

yup

handing over a wand to @Elee

*steals wand*

Yay we remember that

Not many wizards now though...

I would have named myself "Character Creation Wizard" but not enough available characters

:(

Maybe I should shorten it to "Characters Wizard" because that works

yay!

!!/coffee Eleeza and rene

@ShadowTheBurningWizard brews a cup of Macchiato for @Eleeza

Thanks

I am now a wizard

Lucky for them that their parents don't know what an alliteration is. 🤮

@EleezatheCharacterWizard awesome!!!

welcoming @Eleeza to the Wizards Circle, giving her a spell book

@Rob who? What? Why?

@JNat and... another one for you... I'll let you rest now, no more reports until you come back. ;) (I'll try to keep them somewhere though)

@ShadowTheBurningWizard It's like this and that:

Yeah now it's totally clear...

!!/coffee

@ShadowTheBurningWizard brews a cup of Cappuccino for @ShadowTheBurningWizard

Self service!

!!/call waiter

@ShadowTheBurningWizard No such command 'call'.

!!/tea brandi

@ShadowTheBurningWizard brews a cup of earl grey tea for @brandi

!!/coffee

@Vogel612'sShadow brews a cup of Mocha for @Vogel612'sShadow

!!/put @Vog in a jar

!!/lick @M.A.R

:(

@ShadowTheBurningWizard licks ice cream cone

Doing a bit of a test (move to chat + comment lock) on a post

It'll either work, or I'll have an angry meta post

maybe both

lol

@JourneymanGeek Well about frigging time we see you angry.

@M.A.R. I mean other people

Well you gather haters every day, @Journeyman but hey... it's part of being a mod.

@ShadowTheBurningWizard It's ultimately Stockholm syndrome.

Helsinki Syndrome. :D

Stock what?

@M.A.R. the other way around

Make a big pile

stockpot syndrome?

🐶 Who could stay mad?

if they aint hating, you ain't winnin

@djsmiley2kindarkness I did! How did you know?!

:P

hides

:D

@Rob the cat

:8143008

:8143008

@ShadowTheBurningWizard I smear it on my face?

@M.A.R. that's an option too, sure

Careful with your eyes though

@Journeyman so the experiment worked? No angry meta post?

:8143015

hush

Don't give anyone any ideas ;)

?

waffles!

lol

oops

@ShadowTheBurningWizard You're going to give people ideas if you talk about there not being something yet ;)

ohh

No worry I have my ways to turn off any fire. :P

@ShadowTheBurningWizard no boom today. Boom tommorow, always boom tommorow

@JourneymanGeek Please, please get a spell-checker! (Get one tommorroh.)

Its his style ....

Does he know Cody?

Probably

He knows his glasses

Fireworks just started here - 8 year old kids with stuff that would be considered WMD back home.

They'll be fine as long as they aren't drunk 8 year old kids.

… still, when in Rome?

So, go blow up stuff too then! :P

Well, I gave one my lighter!

Good, good!

The 8-year olds aren't drunk (yet) but their mammies n pappies are!

Already? What timezone? :P

UTC+7 (Thailand) - 30 mins to the Bing-Bong.

Also... I feel I should point out (I'm a mod, after all)... safest way to light fireworks is with a cigarette or special fuze, not with a lighter :P

@AdrianMole Ah, still a few hours to go here ;) But Happy New Year to you already :)

.. My old Dad always used a ciggie to light fireworks - just an excuse to have one more smoke, I guess.

@Tinkeringbell I thought it was with a Meta post

XD The only time I touch cigarettes is when we run out of fuzes to light the fireworks.

@Machavity No, that's more unsafe that just using a lighter XD

I think meta posts are on the level of taping 5 together then lighting the whole bunch at once?

Where I'm from, we put rockets in holder, light them, then walk away. Here, they hold them, light them, then let go - just in time.

Depends on the rocket. I've done both, but the second one only with really small ones that can't seriously hurt you anyways if gone wrong.

Use a (✿ ❛ω❛)⌐╦╦═─🔥

I probably wouldn't notice if they started firing rockets for the new year, I'd just assume the tanks were practicing again

:/

@Rob โชคดี works here.

...living right next to a military training firing range kinda makes you get used to explosions, I guess

These are sparkly... and light up the night sky. Do tanks to that too?

We get more enormous explosions than fireworks too.

@Tinkeringbell generally not

@Mithical What? I can't hear you.

I know, I mumble

....and stutter. I should probably see a speech therapist, to be honest

... just avoid things that go bang.

...I like heading into the forest though

*checks watch* 6:40PM. Nothing outside. New Years isn't a big deal around here, I guess.

@Tinkeringbell Zeppelins!

With Batman fighting on top of one

@AdrianMole Blow up Rome

Well that escalated quickly

@M.A.R. With fireworks? Who d'ya fink I am - Nero?

@AdrianMole Do you burn disks?

Only bad CDs.

Cleric Devices?

Cozy

I didn't know I had a model t50: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/341347/…

Is this the time when we start every chat line for hats?

Time to make an unofficial official star begging room?

I wouldn't stop anyone that did ;)

Probably link it here and earn a star ;)

I'm going to wish everyone a Happy New Year already, because family night ;)

:O

we're gonna get a take away in, and likely be in bed at 10pm hahaha

@Tinkeringbell Here you go! Room for stars

On YouTube?

;)

yah

it's full of stars.

I'm waiting to see if i can figure out in other channel,s what you have to do to get the hat, without specifically checking.

the mystery continues :D

@terdon Somehow, that's exactly what I thought it would be.

HAPPY NEW YEAR! (place your star right there)

Does MathOverflow have hats globally disabled? Or is the extension just not loading for me?

MO has never had hats.

They are too smart to waste time on this.

@YaakovEllis Not sure if you're the one responsible for implementing the new Stacks reopen vote popup, but there's a bug with it: review audits still use the old JS dialog, making them super easy to spot.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'm pretty sure they have a way of seeing bug reports without a chat ping... ...and Yaakov has stated that he can't keep on top of bug reports through chat, so I'm unsure what the point of this ping is.

Yeah, I probably should have at the very least waited a little (it was only 10 minutes old), and probably reconsidered pinging him about it. (As far as the second point, from what I read, he was referring to direct bug reports from chat, and asking people to make meta posts instead; in this case, there already is one.)

I figured since he's pressing hard with UI improvements, he'd be responsible for that dialog too, and since it's New Year's Eve in the U.S. and staff may be on holiday, I didn't want the report to go missed.

....the chat ping is much more likely to get lost than an official bug report getting missed. I... don't get that logic.

Chat pings result in a notification that is persistent, while a new bug report that's since slid off the home page by the time a staff member next logs into the site will be missed unless it's bumped or brought up later.

because clicking the bug tag is too hard.

:D

Bugs are heavy

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog pretty sure they take a look in such page, not just the homepage.

@Mithical yes, someone would see it on mse. I literally just came here in order to store something clever enough to get starred (is this good enough?). And yes, bug reports on chat will not be remembered.

Welcome back @Yaakov! :)

Hope you had a good vacation during Hanukka!

Wait, why you work so late?!

@ShadowTheBurningWizard It's not uncommon for far-away employees to be on a different time zone from their home

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I am working today and tomorrow (but not now, 11pm for me at the moment)

(e.g. even Californian and British employees adhere to an EST working day)

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog but I know for sure Yaakov is in Israel

So it's 11 PM for him.

I wasn't the one to work on this, but I am on bug duty this week. Will take a look tomorrow.

Poor bugs... they don't know what's going to befall them. :D

Anyway, @Sonic, people do not keep track of old notifications. Well, I don't. I don't remember past chat pings and searching for them is very hard. Much easier to track and find a question.

Well, since there's already a meta post, I figured, why not make the best of both worlds?

So chat ping is just noise, unless it's a very urgent bug.

@rene Thanks, and I replied there.

Good!

bug duty ... select the bugs that needs to get fixed next week ...

Not bug people over what bugs are to be fixed 😁

Prepare for the New Year!

Prepare for bed. If I'm lucky, only about 30 minutes to go!

If I'm not so lucky, at least an hour.

If this whole year is going to suck, even more ;)

Happy New Year everyone! May it be less ... eventful ... than 2019.

I was just getting used to it ...

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year!! (even though I've got about half an hour left)