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12:51 AM
@Bart and you can type
 
 
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Rob
2:55 AM
A regular Hobart Reese.
 
3:21 AM
My trip to India is coming to an end, so I'll end with a few notes:
- The mobile site is extremely useful and loads in a few seconds on a dial-up Internet connection. For most (really all) the time I was here, I was accessing the Internet through mobile data, and the way it works here is that you have a limit of 1.5 GB per day, and after that your speeds are quite literally reduced to dial-up speeds.
Most of my relatives who live here have ditched home broadband over solely using mobile data, as it's much faster than the only alternative option (DSL).
- Yes, the survey that came out recently was very much American-centric. Pretty much all the indigenous population of India would be lumped into a single category, with no consideration for any ethnic groups within. (The same also occurs within India: a similar question on an Indian-run survey would probably ask ethnic faith, e.g. Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, etc. with no other considerations.)
 
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog also would lump together several countries that can't stand each other
 
Yes, that's right - in India, the dominant group is Hindus, and Muslims and others have been historically oppressed, which is analogous to whites and people of color in the States. (But that's a topic for another time.)
Anyway...
 
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog for vacation or for job it was ?
 
I will be busy for most of the day today, and then I'll be stepping on a plane, and during that time I'll be out of commission. If anything needs my attention, I may not respond until I'm off and I've recovered from the symptoms of jetlag.
@yagmoth555-GoFoundMeMonica Not for business.
Once I get home, I'll be glad to finally be able to access SE from something other than a mobile data connection. (And, of course. airport Wi-Fi.)
 
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog cool :) hope you had fun
I use the mobile page most of the time on my side. Its the cut and paste or research when typing a answer that is hard to do on the mobile, but not because it's not mobile friendly, but because typing a good answer can make some use to have some tab open, that is not gooing good on a mobile device.
even the moderator menu to handle flags is mobile friendly, I think it's only the review queue that is not mobile friendly yet
 
3:59 AM
@yagmoth555-GoFoundMeMonica That's because SE's plan is to eliminate the mobile site once all site pages are responsive. The full site (even when responsive) takes a ton of time to load on dial-up speeds, while the mobile site loads much faster. It's a great benefit for users on dial-up connections (which still exist, mind you), or for users on high-speed connections who exceed a bandwidth limit.
My university used to only allow 10 GB per week high-speed, then it'd be reduced to 256k (slow DSL) speeds. That 10 GB was provided at gigabit fiber speeds, so it was super easy to deplete, then be stuck for the entire week with a (comparatively) slow Internet connection. (They've since removed this limit, and even when it was in place, it cost only $50 for the whole year to upgrade it to 1000 GB per week.)
 
4:29 AM
Singapore Airport wifi isn't bad
just need to reconnect every 3 hours. I think I averaged about 3mbps while testing it
 
Rob
4:45 AM
I use almost 40 GB per month on my phone, glad it's Wi-Fi and not a Data Plan. My phone has the X20 modem, so if I was on a Data Plan: (40 gigabytes) / (1.2 Gbps) =
4.44444444 minutes or an extra U$150 per month for 4 3/4 minutes of use.
 
my home data use is pretty heavy but fibre
 
Rob
I have cable, other places nearby have Fiber which does over 1 Gbps but is over U$200/m (but equal speed both directions).
 
50-60 a month here ;p
 
Rob
It's expensive here because everything is at capacity - so if you tell them to get lost someone else takes your place.
 
and they don't invest in it
and there's not enough competition
 
Rob
4:54 AM
There's only so many tall buildings and they are packed with antennas. Competition has to pay 1B for license and initial investment, plus they have to buy (win Lottery) spectrum. So you need to be huge to play.
 
Rob
5:05 AM
Here's a couple of articles that very poorly explain the "Spectrum Wars" (but still, explain it better than a dozen other pages did): arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/06/… marketwatch.com/story/…
 
 
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8:24 AM
@JourneymanGeek Most U.S. airport Wi-Fi services allow for an unlimited connection, but require you to watch an advertisement at regular intervals to remain connected.
 
no ads, just a disconnection and a captive portal every 3 hours
 
India has really bad regulations that require anyone offering free public Wi-Fi to verify phone numbers of all connecting. Which produces a chicken-and-egg problem for people who have foreign SIMs and want to avoid roaming charges.
Also, fiber hasn't rolled out in my home city yet, but our cable is still quite fast (100 Mbps)
 
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10:04 AM
I hope people are able to detect sarcasm when they see it:
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Q: Let's have a SE black friday weekend at 12/13/2019

πάντα ῥεῖThe idea is a marketing incent to gain more new users with a special event appearing from 12/13/2019 until 12/15/2019 Proposal for user's signed up at these dates recently and contribute their first posts Down votes won't count against their reputation gains Closing those posts is blocked Upvo...

 
10:15 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Oh, they do... and often don't like it.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ timing is everything in humour
 
@JourneymanGeek Do you think it's overdue?
 
on the contrary. febuary 31st seems like a perfect day for the post
 
@JourneymanGeek :-D
 
 
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2:26 PM
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2:44 PM
/me looks in
 
Rob
3:23 PM
From the Threatening Toilets webpage.
 
Ash
3:37 PM
People putting that much fabric on the toilet seat etc freaks me out because that's GONNA get wet and it's GONNA get gross unless the expectation is you remove it each time
 
Rob
4:01 PM
It's ugly however you look at it, especially a few years down the road. Check out the other pictures.
 
 
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9:41 PM
Why was my question, Are we witnessing the demise of “community”?, deleted by a mod? First the mods closed it, twice, then it was locked, now a mod has deleted it. Never ever have I had so many on-topic posts deleted by one or more mods.
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It's one thing for the community to close it, and then decide, democratically that it should be deleted. I was prepared for that. But to be continually and consistently targeted by the mod team, by all three, even John deleted a post of mine, is first and foremost unjust and unwarranted.
 
we're done with the dumpster fire I guess
 
"Closed questions should only be deleted if they can't be salvaged or they have no lasting value to the site, including their answers."
 
Pardon, the 3rd mod is Chris, not John. You rarely see him/them so my memory failed me. Yes, even my knitted tribute was deleted. The words were outrageous, I admit, no one else has said: Reinstate Monica.
 
Leaving India, see the USA in 24 hours!
 
@DavidA do you want to know how many closed questions there have been since October 3rd that have not been deleted?
@rene what does that mean? Please explain. I am serious not saracastic.
 
9:52 PM
@Mari-LouA John?
Oh, Chris.
Wait, Chris?
 
I'm guessing some moderator just decided to delete the question (bypassing the delete voting process). With my tiny rep, I can't see who or why. If it gets undeleted, I'll be able to see who.
 
@Mari-LouA I don't think we have remotely enough context to be able to answer that question meaningfully, is my feeling.
@DavidA Do people ever moderate stuff according to quotes (from the help center or not)?
 
@M.A.R. yes, Chris deleted an answer. It simply said "Reinstate Monica" and there was a picture of Cellio's steaming mug and a drop of coffee changed into a mod diamond.
 
Let's assume honest intentions though.
@Mari-LouA Well what if it was just out of place in 2018's WB post?
 
@Mari-LouA it means that posts that are not likely to solve anything for how the network operates but do re-light emotions over and over again, attracting all kind of people with wrong intentions are going to be closed, locked and in the end deleted.
 
9:58 PM
@M.A.R. Really? Let's assume that I am right about being targeted. The recently deleted question was not incendiary in the slightest, I included a quote by Journeyman, it showed the mixed reactions of users, the bitterness and the dying embers of hope.
 
@Mari-LouA I guess people are just tired of this topic being brought up again and again though
 
One thing I like about Wikipedia is that it is ridiculously transparent (although I'd prefer they'd allow normal users to see deleted articles with an override). I can see pretty much every revision.
 
@Mari-LouA it is past fun.
@DavidA isn't that the same on SE? If you use both revision and the timeline view?
 
@Mari-LouA These discussions don't ever reach a conclusion, they just intensify (false) hopes and creeping suspicions. I don't know if this exact same thing, whatever it was that was asked in your meta post, was ever asked before, and everyone has their own way of dealing with the drama recently, and present it to the audience in different ways and "levels" of eloquence, but the problem is just there have been too many of them
 
@M.A.R. "I guess people are just tired of this topic being brought up again and again though" fair enough, but that question was posted in November 23, and had 117 upvotes and 35 downvotes. It was not posted to inflame the community, the aim was to create a balanced view of the reactions of users, their words and sentiments. There were positive reflections included too.
 
10:02 PM
Not at all. Half the stuff on Meta at least tends to get deleted. On Wikipedia, it gets edited out, but the history is still there unless it's something that might trigger a lawsuit.
 
Perhaps a few similar posts by more bitter people going on a rage-editing spree or somesuch, so maybe mods are taking precautionary measures before they have to clean up another mess of multiple-hundred-comment threads? Back to square one, I'm not sure if there's enough context for this chat to make a valid judgment.
 
@DavidA deleted stuff is visible for 10Kers
 
@Mari-LouA Why not just flag and/or ask to join a cozy little chat with one of the mods so they can explain their side?
@DavidA Does it make sense to compare Meta to even SE communities themselves? It's an entirely different thing disguised in the same tools
 
Oct 10 at 19:46, by user58
The Tavern is not the place to contest answer deletions. If you have an issue with an on-site moderation action, please raise a flag.
 
Technically this is a question deletion, but the same rule probably applies.
 
10:06 PM
The answer is not the Tavern to place contest decisions.
 
@M.A.R. I've flagged several of my deleted posts. Pointless. Not one mod takes me seriously. Which leaves me with posting a question. Again (rolls eyes). Asking why one or more posts were deleted. And then that too will be closed by a mod, then locked, then deleted. Until I lose my rag and they can finally suspend me. It won't work.
 
@Mari-LouA What is the score of the question?
 
@DavidA 117 upvotes and 35 downvotes
 
Honestly I don't think with the current atmosphere the best written challenge for closure or deletion would stand a chance of not swaying to a side neither the challenger nor the mods want
OK that's not not a lot of negatives
 
/me looks in
 
10:10 PM
@djsmiley2k-CoW This doesn't sound good
 
/me closes eyes
 
@djsmiley2k-CoW What time is it there?
 
@djsmiley2k-CoW Hey I just care for your eye strain
@djsmiley2k-CoW Hmm, UK?
Or maybe Deutschland
 
I object that the mods do not trust the community to do their thing. The community decides whether to upvote or downvote, to close or reopen, but every time it was reopened; one mod, one, closed it. Then it had to start all over agin. The same mod who first locked it then closed it in the review queue by voting to keep it closed. It's ridiculous.
 
10:16 PM
@Mari-LouA And we <10K people end up seeing a highly "sanitized" version of the discussion. If they merely closed or locked this stuff, I'd at least be able to follow along.
 
There is no sanitized version. It was not rude or abusive in the slightest. The 19 quotations ranged from ‘Before "apologizing", you need to come clean: did you lie’? to “I'll leave you with this: it's always better for your growth as a human being to wrestle with something important and risk the pain of loss, than it is to wrap yourself in a cocoon….”
and “People need to stop yelling and start talking. I'm no genius but we all have blind spots.” Not my words but of others, which I either found touching or particular striking such as “In the first few years of Stack Overflow, Jeff was the benevolent dictator. It worked because Jeff was “one of us”. Those days are long over.”
 
People don't know how to deal with controversy and conflict anymore. That's why people ghost each other.
 
Rob
10:53 PM
ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔ ก้้้้้้้้้้้ - Bear with lasers
 

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