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Shadow Wizard

2:18 PM

buh, after all the comments on my answer, this looks more and more like trolling.

Some bored suspended user trying to draw some useless attention? :/

Tim Post

@ShadowWizard Heh, you didn't realize it was a troll by the question?

Aibobot

@ShadowWizard Possible. Might custom flag it. I'll take a closer look if things are quier or another mod/CM can

Shadow Wizard

@TimPost no? At first it appeared as legit and ordinary question.

Tim Post

"Officer, by how much can I exceed the speed limit without you issuing me a ticket?"

Shadow Wizard

Some people are innocently oblivious. (that's even a term? lol)

No Distraction Wizard

2:22 PM

"Let me give you the ticket first, then let's talk..."

Aibobot

this is somewhat less exceeding the speed limit, and more belching black smoke

No Distraction Wizard

But anyway, a fresh 1-rep user asking about sockpuppeting on Meta... like, why should they care...

Shadow Wizard

@Tim well, if you really know (by your magic tools) it's trolling, feel free to nuke that question (and the sock?), so it won't waste more people's time.

Magisch

It's a troll day today apparently

just this morning TWP had some blatant trolling

Shadow Wizard

:(

Maybe same one then?

Aibobot

2:23 PM

@ShadowWizard probably sure the braintrust can find a dupe ;)

Tim Post

@ShadowWizard It is. Especially when many of the users are as fascinated by the system itself as the information it provides. There are some who honestly just want to understand the limits between playing the 'game' well and abuse.

But this wasn't one of them :P No harm, I thought you were just having some fun with a troll.

Magisch

I'm fascinated by serial voting and its detection

Tim Post

I just didn't realize that you didn't realize it.

No Distraction Wizard

I'm fascinated by you (oops)

Shadow Wizard

@TimPost very deep. Wait, is this YOUR sock? That would be awesome.

lol

If so, kudos for successful trolling! :P

Aibobot

2:25 PM

@ShadowWizard I CAN NEITHER CONFORM NOR DENY!

No Distraction Wizard

it'd be "Stim Pot" instead

Aibobot

I can confirm though, this is a sock.

@NoDistractionWizard or Tom Pre

Shadow Wizard

There was someone (Neal?) who created a new account to see how new users are treated.

Aibobot

(though most of the folks with legit alternate accounts have different ways of doing things)

@ShadowWizard in a sense, this account is a way to do things I can't as main.

Shadow Wizard

He kept going with this experiment for months, until blowing his cover by mistake here.... lol

Aibobot

2:27 PM

(~~snark~~ educate people about kali linux, do suggested edits (when I don't mess up and HNQ) and log into systems I don't entirely trust

Shadow of the Shadow's Shadow

@Aibobot sure, me too

Shadow Wizard

@NoDistractionWizard Tim the Post Wizard

Tim Post

^^^ One of them is not mine.

Shadow Wizard

Riddle? Yay!

No Distraction Wizard

Tim Postman

Aibobot

2:29 PM

Postma is a perfectly legitimate dutch last name

Tim Post

But beware, if you ever see an account with the name of NOT Tim Post's sock, you should probably think hmm, that's exactly what Tim Post's sock would want us to think."

Aibobot

@ShadowoftheShadow'sShadow ironically, being a mod can be constraining in a few ways

so quite a few (not all) mods have alt accounts

Shadow Wizard

Yup

Aibobot

I'm just odd for swapping between them at random on chat ;p

Shadow Wizard

Do you talk with your sock when lonely?

Aibobot

2:31 PM

nope

That would be creepy

Shadow Wizard

Think I once had WAG session with my shadow in the Den. :D

Aibobot

I'm literally only on this account cause I'm lazy

and my job involves reacting to things so much of it is quiet

Shadow Wizard

You know, to this day I didn't understand why Derpy had to use their alt account here in chat, while keep using the main account on main MSE.

Aibobot

I don't either ;p

Shadow Wizard

But then again, I don't understand 80% of the things he's doing, so... :D

I do miss him being here though. The Last Surviving Pony...

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

2:34 PM

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Macchiato for @ShadowWizard

Aibobot

The actual reason(s) I use this account here is my work VPN seems to do MITM (which is legit) and I don't want to use my google log in (since everything is linked to it) on a work PC

Shadow Wizard

!!/thanks

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'thanks'.

Aibobot

also, 12 hour shifts ._.

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector boo

Aibobot

2:35 PM

today's alright so far. All's quiet

and I probably jinxed it by saying that

No Distraction Wizard

ALL. IS. WELL.

Shadow Wizard

Hey @Meg and welcome to the Tavern! :-)

No Distraction Wizard

Ash is well too

Aibobot

@ShadowWizard I've noticed her lurking about XD

@NoDistractionWizard Old, grumpy and doing ok.

Also milking the former for all its worth.

Megan Risdal

Hey @ShadowWizard :)

Shadow Wizard

2:36 PM

She also created a new room... but never posted... yet. :(

Aibobot

He pretended his legs were too bad to walk to his water bowl, then 5 minutes later was demanding walkies.

Shadow Wizard

@MeganRisdal yay! You have cookies waiting in your room, @rene should bring milk. :D

Megan Risdal

:O

Shadow Wizard

No worry, cookies are fresh.

No Distraction Wizard

My daily visit on Twitter is to watch cute animal videos. It's so refreshing compared to seeing drama (well, that's "refreshing" too though)

Aibobot

2:42 PM

lol

Megan Risdal

Oh yeah I see the room you're talking about -- thanks for the cookies :P. I created that because I thought maybe I could use it for "office hours" or something.

Aibobot

tbh, I mainly use twitter for keeping up with SE non drama. Sometimes drama ;p

Its a useful place to find out stuff, if you follow the right people

@MeganRisdal , we use something like that for Super User

Its pretty useful ^^

Megan Risdal

Nice

Aibobot

Occationally turns up stuff that needs too much nuance for flags p

(and I'm having the awkward feeling I should be using my main account to avoid confusion)

Shadow Wizard

3:07 PM

@MeganRisdal yeah, Jon (not Snow ;)) got such room. But to be honest, don't think it's required, it will just freeze every 14 days... better lurk around here, it's enough to visit once in a week to stay pingable.

(Now that you posted, even when you won't be in the room you'll be pingable for those who need you :))

Aibobot

@ShadowWizard the trick being people know how and when to find you ;p

(which in my case is probably a little too simple)

Shadow Wizard

@Aibobot well if one never posted in chat, it's impossible to reach them in chat, except inviting to a room which is pretty intrusive IMO.... even for me. ;)

Hmm... I wonder, if Meg had only 1 rep (i.e. no association bonus), could she still be chatting here?

oh wait

Aibobot

@ShadowWizard I suspect that if they needed it, they could ask someone to give permission

I donno how much internal chat is on bonfire and how much is on slack

Rob

Thanks for answering about my earlier request, I didn't Mod Flag for it because I thought it might take a CM, but if it is beyond that then it can be left with whom it's for, possibly Roomba will forward it. :)

Shadow Wizard

@Aibobot nah it's automatic

in traducir.win, Sep 14 '18 at 11:27, by aki

hello from kyoto :)

Aibobot

3:12 PM

Aki's an unusual case

Shadow Wizard

Part of mod/staff powers.

1 rep SE employee

Aibobot

(that's to say, I was under the impression they weren't an employee?)

Shadow Wizard

@Aibobot hmm... yeah I now see them under "Explicit write access" in that room.

Journeyman Geek

Work PC needs a reboot.

Shadow Wizard

Well they're mod in ja.stackoverflow.com/users/14055/aki

Journeyman Geek

3:14 PM

@ShadowWizard ya.

Shadow Wizard

@Vote is aki SE employee? You can see that magic bit.... ;)

Journeyman Geek

I've no clue what's the story there. Nor do I need to know anything past them being trusted with the keys

user302202

Yes, has the bit. Something something language specific

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek still think it's a CM coming from outside to handle that site.

Journeyman Geek

I get dragged into enough stuff without looking for it ;p

Shadow Wizard

3:16 PM

Like we had JMac before

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard they are not a cm as far as I know

user302202

in Localization Of Stack Overflow, Jun 21 '18 at 15:03, by Nicolas Chabanovsky

Aki helps as a lot with SOja. She is not a CM but has most of the CM access on the site.

Shadow Wizard

@VoteDukakis oh, nice find.

Journeyman Geek

There's no more language/site specific cms and they're mostly us based

@ShadowWizard ya, so someone trusted with the keys ;p

I've interacted with (most?) of the current CM team, both pre and as a mod

That said it makes a ton of sense to get someone who knows the language and culture to help

but yeah, not a standard issue CM ;p

canon

anybody else get whacked by that Salesforce debacle?

Shadow Wizard

3:30 PM

?

canon

apparently someone at salesforce ran a DB script in production which granted read/edit permissions to everyone who used a particular integration partner (or something)

Shadow Wizard

hehe I made Google server work hard... it's now zipping 50GB of pictures.... preparing for cleanup since they start charging for the space being used.

canon

so, they had to slam the "revoke all permissions" button

and hilarity ensued

Journeyman Geek

ow

Shadow Wizard

Dirty trick of "It was free only for a limited time, now start paying"

Megan Risdal

3:33 PM

@ShadowWizard Oh good to know -- didn't know rooms would close in 14 days. Thanks!

Journeyman Geek

@MeganRisdal freeze - and since you have vaguely ~~god~~ mod like powers, you can still chat but others can't

(since there's also a deleted state as well)

Megan Risdal

Got it.

Shadow Wizard

@MeganRisdal not really close, "freeze" which actually has same effect, yeah. You can easily unfreeze it, but still... too much hassle IMO :)

@canon you mean the SE site?? omg

What is " used a particular integration partner"?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I think they mean actual salesforce, the service

Shadow Wizard

oh lol

closing message as off topic

:P

plz-delete access token meta.stackexchange.com/questions/328431/… @Bart @rene

canon

3:37 PM

@ShadowWizard no, no... Salesforce.

Shadow Wizard

So... can't know what you talk about... the site or not... :)

Journeyman Geek

@canon I wonder if they found out after the fact or...

someone hit enter, and went OH SNAP OH SNAP OH SNAP....

canon

Incoming Forbes headline: Salesfarce?

Shadow Wizard

And before anyone asks...

39

Q: Site oneboxes are often white, invisible

Oneboxing of site links is often not visible, especially on beta sites: Many sites, like Ask Ubuntu and Sharepoint also have predominantly white logos in oneboxes. These images should have a background colour, so that they are visible. chat.stackoverflow.com has a slightly off-white bac...

@Meg any chance to try and persuade you to put this ancient annoying bug on the team's TODO list? ^ (Now that you're in chat you can see how annoying it can be, it's impossible to see the message above)

Journeyman Geek

@canon more likely el reg

who love my current employer

Megan Risdal

3:40 PM

Added to the backlog.

Shadow Wizard

Oh hey that was fast. Thanks Megan! :D

Megan Risdal

If only I could fix it myself too. ;)

Shadow Wizard

If someone give you code, you probably have access to deploy it.... ;)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Good to see chat isn't forgotten ;)

Shadow Wizard

But actually... this one is a design bug of using transparent PNG images.

Proper fix can be making non transparent versions of all the logos, and use them when oneboxing.

Journeyman Geek

3:43 PM

@ShadowWizard so things are working as intended, just not conveniently?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah, probably. Didn't dig deep into it yet.

If I will, might post answer on that bug report to help the team.

(in 6-8 days ;))

Journeyman Geek

seems consistant with what I see

@ShadowWizard though, then onebox needs to be aware of what images to use

I'd be under the impression (completely without basis) they just use the site headers

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek hmm.... not sure! Will have to check deeper.

Journeyman Geek

Well, I'm not a dev, no matter how much my parents wish I was so... ;p

Margarine

4:16 PM

Meter maid

Journeyman Geek

@Margarine I do desktops. I kinda stare at screens for a living. I know what I want to do, but apparently its not the right time yet ;p

Margarine

Estimated time remaining 21 mins . . . 94 hours . . . 19 seconds

Journeyman Geek

lol

more months or years

Matter of the right opening, and sneaking past HR ;p

John Dvorak

4:44 PM

@Margarine file copy dialog is going to town

Mgetz

side note: whatever bug chrome made that was breaking chat they seem to have backed out or fixed.

John Dvorak

laughs in Firefox

Journeyman Geek

o0

I didn't notice anything and I run a chrome derivative

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek it never landed in stable as it was breaking quite a few things. Any tab that depended on being able to run in the background for example, like google play music

Journeyman Geek

ahh

canary or testing?

I run vivaldi, which I assume must lag a few releases

Mgetz

4:52 PM

@JourneymanGeek testing, I stay away from canary as much as possible

that really is unstable

Journeyman Geek

5:59 PM

→ 36 messages moved to Chimney

→ 2 messages moved to Chimney

user271002

6:12 PM

@JourneymanGeek hm, I am not sure, but could you maybe consider finding a different name for that trash room? For me as a German, sending something to the chimney sounds like concentration camp language.

Journeyman Geek

@Loong its not the normal trash room

We move stuff from smoke detector to the chimney

We actually have a normal trash can for other things

It is from before I made RO and no one's really complained before ._.

user271002

6:28 PM

I am not really complaining, just thinking. However, it's not the first time that I stumble upon it.

Travis J

So the blog said "Affected users will be notified by us"

Have those emails gone out already?

Journeyman Geek

no idea

Shog9

don't think so. Hesitant to talk much about this, but we're trying to be very thorough here - they'll go out when we're sure we have complete & accurate info.

Travis J

That's fine. I was just curious since I wasn't sure if the emails had gone out or not.

I was thinking, "cool, wasn't me"; and then, "hmm, I wonder if it happened yet".

Journeyman Geek

@TravisJ knowing how much folks gossip though...

someone would have mentioned somewhere if they got one

Travis J

6:41 PM

Perhaps. It would depend on what the email said I suppose.

I use a ridiculous set of security measures for stuff, so not really concerned about much.

Journeyman Geek

@TravisJ well SE dosen't keep much info on folks

Travis J

I guess my main concern would be whether or not my authentication cookie had been accessed. I should probably log out and in on all of my devices.

brb

Journeyman Geek

and actually actively tries to keep as little as possible

Travis J

done

rene

@TravisJ no need, I already got all your stuff ..

Oh ...

Travis J

6:45 PM

That's fine, mostly I would just not want to be impersonated.

rene

I'll go by the name Rene J ....

Travis J

lol

I would be honored

rene

I would be scared

Journeyman Geek

When SE still did OpenID, I actually was toying with using 'disposable' openid logins for my accounts

though I was considering more situations where I had to log out from a box I didn't have access to any more

Travis J

@JourneymanGeek I have an email through a hosted account that is accessible locally to me through a small company. That email controls most of my logins. So if my login is accessed, then I can use email to recover. If the email is compromised, I can use the hosting. If the hosting is compromised, I can go in person.

I use trash emails as catchalls that go to a hidden account as well, so there is technically no way to determine the forwarding for the catchall without accessing the hosting.

Journeyman Geek

7:01 PM

@TravisJ my threat model is literally quitting my job and forgetting to log out

Magisch

@Loong I'm also from germany, and I've never made that connection before. For me its just a clever pun because the smoke detector bot detects smoke (spam) and that gets moved there when its been dealt with

user271002

okay then

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Are there any graduated sites that have not configured the site tour question away from the default "unicorns eating daisies" question?

Kevin B

y

rene

@Loong I've updated the room description of that room as well to make 100% clear what its function is, in case users have doubts about its purpose. I hope that addresses your concerns?

Tinkeringbell

7:08 PM

@KevinB probably because of interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3667/1599

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Note that I'm asking about graduated sites. This is just a curious question.

user271002

@rene Oh, I know what that room is. I only stumbled upon the resulting "moved to chimney" lines. But apparently, that's only me. So don't worry. But thank you.

rene

7:24 PM

@Loong thanks for bringing it up. It reminds us we need to be aware of the words we use and in which contexts these words might be an issue.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I think that that name was probably written by an American, since chimneys are typical in older houses (even apartments) here.

user302202

Chimney was created by the mighty and unpingable @JasonC

user302202

^ meta-statistics: the number of Questions and Answers on Stats.SE by month (incl deleted)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@VoteDukakis Mind doing your inquiries to find out the answer to this question?

user302202

7:34 PM

Arduino tour has unicorns, for one.

Pikachu the Watermelon Wizard

But... there are no questions tagged 'unicorns' :(

user302202

The model question on Law is... not a model.

user302202

After trying several more, I think Arduino is the only one.

rene

@VoteDukakis you might want to limit your results to complete months only, to prevent the at first sight alarming drop-off near the end

rene

7:53 PM

@Glorfindel please stop posting low quality stuff, I guess: meta.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/64846 ??? Not sure why that should be flagged as such ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene Looks like the user is trying to get their question deleted.

Glorfindel

@rene thanks. I think flagging normal answers as Not An Answer is a new hype, I reviewed two or three such posts on Chess.SE the last 6-8 days.

rene

@Tinkeringbell sure, let them use mod flag then on their own question ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene How do you think I knew? :P

rene

I play the game with you, okay?

:P

Tinkeringbell

7:57 PM

No playing games with moderators. We're too busy with serious business for that.

rene

@Glorfindel let's click all available buttons until we got the preferred outcome .... youtube.com/watch?v=dWAERJhHL4w

Mithrandir

BOO

@Tinkeringbell tag, you're it

youre-it

4

Tinkeringbell

Ugh. I hate playing tag.

user271002

or do you mean "flag, you're it"?

rene

Just tag along

Mgetz

8:09 PM

@Mithrandir There needs to be a manually awarded badge for finding a legitimate use of this tag on any site other than games

Mithrandir

@Mgetz books.google.co.il/books/about/…

Mgetz

drat

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@rene It was probably NAA flagged

Rob

8:45 PM

@rene YouTube did used to have some videos where you could click on the links and choose a different outcome, like The Impossible Escape - haven't seen any similar since that one.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

9:07 PM

@Rob Those use annotations, a removed YouTube feature - the feature was almost-removed in 2017, though existing ones were kept; in February of this year, they were removed from existing videos.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

9:42 PM

IPS is back on HNQ again!

Kevin B

9:53 PM

: /

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

10:22 PM

@Shog9 Why reopen this?

Shog9

I didn't feel like deleting it

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

IIRC I voted to close it in response to a close flag, but I've since edited it so people don't jump to close it again

Shog9

well, now it just makes no sense

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

No, it does; your answer is not SO-specific (e.g. "one of our sites")

I made it make more sense

Kevin B

i don't think it makes any more or less sense after teh update

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

10:27 PM

Right, it makes the same amount of sense as earlier.

Kevin B

yet-another-pointless-edit

Journeyman Geek

11:04 PM

Well... There's nicer ways to express that.

No Distraction Wizard

11:20 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog request to reduce the strict eligibility criteria like Skeptics.SE

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I disagree with this notion that posts on MSE have to be watered-down generic questions/guidance and that any reference to a specific topic or site makes them off-topic.

Both the question and answers use specific examples to identify what they're talking about. Can that guidance be extrapolated? Maybe! Can you do it by playing Mad-Libs? Probably Not! Did you try anyway? Barely!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

11:36 PM

@Shog9 I kept the specific example

Rob

11:49 PM

If I had more time ATM then I could offer a better opinion but there seems to be a number of problems, from comments that he works at a bank (and counter claims that he teaches at a school, but the URL is 404) to another comment that voting rings are likely. The most positive thing I can say is that his mom, is pretty; where I'm from we don't kiss our moms with such enthusiasm.

No Distraction Wizard

If that question was posted recently, then it would most probably get: oh please no, unless most of them want to get answer-ban and block the whole [insert company/organization here]'s IP

Charlie Brumbaugh

Question on the HNQ change, won't a minimum age of 8 hours results in fewer Hot Questions given that they age out with time?

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