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12:00 AM

The logic of diamond-giving is sometimes hard to discern. Eric Andres has accounts on 15 sites, of them two with diamonds: Stack Overflow and Woodworking (?).

Catija

@VoteDukakis I don't know if anyone has said this... but thank you. Please, don't hesitate to ping us if you see concerning things in the future.

fbueckert

12:18 AM

@Rob Okay, maybe I should clarify; domestic 3D printing isn't quite there yet.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

A very curious question: do past suspensions impede one's prospects of being hired as a Stack Exchange employee?

fbueckert

If you've got a few tens to hundreds of thousands lying around to drop on 3D printing, you can get much better results.

Undo

12:37 AM

@Catija Very interested in getting the technical info on what happened here, as someone who has looked for these kinds of holes a lot.

Rob

12:54 AM

A thousand dollar 3D metal printer is a thousand bucks down the drain.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1:04 AM

@Undo There was no hole here; both of these users also have the staff bit. Are you referring to the prior case where a non-staff user managed to get network-wide moderator rights?

Vote Dukakis

That's what Undo is talking about, sure.

> @Github needs a @StackOverflow style point system to encourage civility in the issue tracker. -- Tim Gallagher at 1:29 PM - 14 May 2019

The irony...

Is Beta Launch Tuesday a lost tradition? OR site is still waiting.

Granted, the launches were too few and far between to have a rhythm of any kind.

Sad fact: the previous non-blockchain site launch was in March 2018, Quantum Computing

Catija

1:50 AM

@Undo Still not sure what the plan is for that.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog "Whose bright idea"... is kinda rude to say. Can you rephrase without the snark?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

status-completed

Catija

Thanks

forest

2:07 AM

cpu.fail

Now this is scary.

Catija

2:20 AM

@VoteDukakis I think it's scheduled for next week. We're slowly getting back in the swing of things.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Is the next Unicorn Meta Zoo being recorded? I believe it's next week that it's supposed to come out?

forest

3:04 AM

It looks like it's necessary to totally disable Hyper-Threading to mitigate this.

Freaking Intel man.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:21 AM

I'm surprised that Intel decided to brand dual-core hyperthreading processors as i7

No Distraction Wizard

3:36 AM

i7-powered iMac

No Distraction Wizard

3:47 AM

iWindows

forest

5:43 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog i7 is just a type of core.

It doesn't necessarily mean it has a lot of physical cores.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

But IMO it shouldn't be branded as an i7, but as an i5, because dual-core isn't really high-end, even if you slap hyperthreading on it

Aibobot

its not really a kind of core. Its just marketing.

forest

@Aibobot It has a set of different features.

Aibobot

Its just the highest... well second highest model in a line

forest

Yeah i9 is higher (also Xeons usually out-compete them).

Aibobot

5:45 AM

@forest how intel sets features is maddeningly arbitrary

forest

I know.

I just mean that a dual-core i7 is (pretty much) the same as a hexa-core i7, with the exception of the hexa-core likely having a lower clock rate and a bigger L3.

(Assuming the same family e.g. Broadwell)

Aibobot

and a core i5 might be built out of the same basic core, with different enabled featues...

forest

Yeah, the features are often just "disabled" in the in-CPU ROM.

Aibobot

so model numbers literally mean nothing

forest

Like VT-d and stuff.

@Aibobot Yeah the only thing that really matters is number of cores and family.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:46 AM

My home computer has a Xeon E3 with hyperthreading disabled

Aibobot

a dual core core i7 sounds like a laptop class core though

forest

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Manually disabled or it just doesn't support it?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Doesn't support it

forest

ah

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Probably disabled in hardware

forest

5:47 AM

Yeah, they use OTP (one-time programmable) fuses for that.

That allows them to build a high-end machine and progressively cripple it so they can sell the crippled version for a lower price.

Aibobot

and/or sell systems with bits that failed in testing

forest

I know they do that with RAM, but is that done with CPUs as well?

Aibobot

sure

forest

I'd think the stuff that would have a high failure rate would be things like the cache, not tiny little features like VT-d.

Aibobot

Do you remember the old three and 5 core AMD chips?

forest

5:51 AM

Yeah those quad core ones that had one disabled core?

Aibobot

@forest oh, VTD and such is totally product differnciation

@forest folks would enable a extra core in software

forest

Yeah I remember that.

It was rather unstable wasn't it?

Aibobot

shrug Some people just wanted more (unstable) bang for their buck

forest

Yeah just like overclocking.

Aibobot

actually exactly like OCing

forest

5:54 AM

I haven't seen overclocking really been done for quite a while, at least not on desktop CPUs. I think Intel has gotten their turbo thing working pretty well.

Only ever see it on embedded systems nowadays.

Aibobot

well and a lot of traditional OC methods don't work any more

forest

Ah

Because the chipset prevents the methods?

I remember hearing something about some Xeons doing that.

Aibobot

I suspect its a little more complex

but not really 'my' scene

forest

Same. I'm still a novice when it comes to x86 architecture.

Aibobot

now I'm totally going from memory here but in the old days, you'd simply just turn up the FSB speed

forest

5:56 AM

Yeah that's still done for embedded systems.

Aibobot

Which is why the early generation celerons with no cache OCed well

forest

Er, AHB.

Rob

@forest Third paragraph from the bottom: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafer_testing - They make a wafer, test it to determine how much of each chip works, and cut it up into the different families.

forest

huh

Aibobot

in theory though, there's nothing stopping them from cutting up a perfectly good chip to meet demand for a lesser chip

forest

6:05 AM

Well that's what's done with HDDs, SSDs, RAM, etc.

forest

7:03 AM

I think this guy might want his name dissociated from his post:

security.stackexchange.com/posts/201866/revisions

He's been vandalizing his question with the revision comment "privacy".

Aibobot

@forest flaaaaaag

forest

yup

No Distraction Wizard

7:35 AM

"00".equals(00)

Aibobot

!!!!

No Distraction Wizard

I won't blame my junior dev... I won't blame...

No Distraction Wizard

8:14 AM

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@NoDistractionWizard It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

No Distraction Wizard

... knew it

Shadow Wizard

8:47 AM

@Aibobot cached Oded?!

> ZombieLoad. The ZombieLoad attack resurrects your private browsing-history and other sensitive data. It allows to leak information from other applications

You got affected?

Margarine

@ShadowWizard OCed. Evil twin brother

Aibobot

@ShadowWizard most of those sorts of exploits are kinda...

really hard to actually make use of

least for now

Shadow Wizard

Yup

Margarine

9:29 AM

-14

Q: Min-Reprex: a less awkward name for MCVE

Five years ago, we set out to write up some guidelines for folks asking debugging questions on Stack Overflow. Andrew Thompson, author of the much-loved guide to writing a Short, Self Contained, Correct (Compilable), Example, gave us a solid start; with a few tweaks and updates over the years thi...

Sounds like a weight loss pill

Magisch

I've never heard reprex used as a word

Aibobot

9:52 AM

sounds....

reprexhensible...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Aibobot The author of that question was an SE employee at the time

Magisch

The problem is the substitution. Min-Reprex is just a technical term you have to look up to know what it could mean.

Minimal, complete and verifiable example contains within its definition everything that it is

"The least (minimal) amount of information I need to (complete)ly reproduce the problem and verify that I have found a working solution"

Aibobot

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ah, but see

It wasn't the question

It was an answer

Magisch

It was the spam answer to it deleted 2 minutes ago

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Aibobot You linked the question

Aibobot

10:00 AM

Yes

It would be nice to assume that by my saying "quick chatabuse" I had my reasons

I couldn't find the question from my phone

I do often know what I'm doing

Shadow Wizard

10:21 AM

umm... what's MCVE??

Sounds like some Microsoft test? No?

sigh... let's Google...

not spam.

@Margarine to you... to me, and likely many programmers, it sounds like a new type of regex.

So having it is a big mistake, much more confusing than whatever it was before.

@Aibobot what "chatabuse" means?

This word was never used before in Tavern

Google leads to #CHATABUSE hashtag on Twitter... (with 6 tweets)

:/

Mithrandir

10:42 AM

@ShadowWizard Minimal, Complete, Verifiable Example

Aibobot

@ShadowWizard its an... abuse of chat ;p

Journeyman Geek

10:54 AM

I used it to send links between systems

Magisch

11:34 AM

The Min-Reprex thing is at -55 owch

I wonder how much of that is genuine dislike of the phrase and how much is procedural again

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch And I wonder for how many people the answer to that is just 'both'

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell There's a crux though: What if you're the recipient of such negative feedback and can credibly think of it as "Ah people just hate us nothing to see here" because you have the feeling that has happened before

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Oh, you're right on that one. Love your answer there too ;)

Magisch

I don't think there'll ever be a way to substitute a paragraph's worth of question and fact specific advice with a single word or phrase

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch In a way though, that sounds like what happened with MCVE. People got tired of writing that paragraph over and over and over and... so it became shorter, until it was just 'Give us an MCVE'

John Dvorak

11:48 AM

Hence canned comment scripts

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell I reckon not commenting is still shorter then throwing MCVE boilerplates

And probably less alienating.

This sort of just-in-time feedback should be coming from the UI anyways, the question wizard already asks you to categorize your question roughly, no reason it can't also tell you how to make the problem reproducible.

Tinkeringbell

both are gone

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch or dislike of being told what to do

No Distraction Wizard

12:02 PM

I'm more interested in stats on how many posts failed each component of MCV... like... how often we tell users that even though their code is Minimum and Complete, but not Verifiable?

Otherwise, I'd just go with "Minimum (ex/s)ample code".

Magisch

All of this tech lingo is just unneeded complexity

"You need to give us enough so we can reproduce your problem and realize when we've found a solution for it"

No Distraction Wizard

ikr? :)

Magisch

> What is a reprex? It’s a reproducible example, as coined by Romain Francois.

In the context of a specific IDE instruction in RStudio

explains why I haven't heard of it. I don't code in R.

No Distraction Wizard

Let's go with MWE instead :)

Whee~~~ raining~~~

Journeyman Geek

12:32 PM

@Magisch I used to post 'please help us help you by providing more information....'

Shadow Wizard

12:47 PM

@Magisch my dv is due to genuine dislike of the phrase

fbueckert

1:18 PM

If you already know what an MCVE is, min-reprex more or less conveys the same meaning.

If you don't...it has the same issues.

No Distraction Wizard

Mobile Construction Vehicle...

Shadow Wizard

@fbueckert No. I can understand MCVE is some fancy acronym related to the topic, even without knowing what exactly it stands for. But "reprex" is a different story. I won't ever guess it's related in any way to asking questions.

fbueckert

@ShadowWizard Unless you have an idea of what it represents, MCVE is a meaningless acronym.

Shadow Wizard

@NoDistractionWizard I really thought at first it's Microsoft Certified [something]. lol

No Distraction Wizard

it reprexents... wait, never mind...

fbueckert

1:23 PM

I'd be interested in seeing how often pointing a user at the need for an MCVE actually resulted in one.

Shadow Wizard

@fbueckert suppose I'm a new user. I ask a question and get a comment "Please read about MCVE and edit your question". I can tell it's related, can look for the meaning and move on. Being told "Please give reprex", I'll just go "huh?!?!?", ignore, and not do anything with it, considering it some random trolling on my question.

@fbueckert 6-8 times... out of 1000? ;)

No Distraction Wizard

please also give Zombrex

Shadow Wizard

Zombies pain relief?

turning @Marga to become a zombie

Margarine

Turning? Is my make-up so good you can't tell?

fbueckert

@ShadowWizard As with either one, context matters.

"Please read about making a min-reprex and edit your question" will work just as well as your first example.

Shadow Wizard

1:30 PM

@fbueckert sure... still, four upper case letters are clearly some related acronym. Some unknown short word is just... something that appears not related.

fbueckert

Same as, "Please give MCVE" doesn't do anything either.

An acronym that you don't know and don't understand.

Magisch

I'm exceedingly dubious it'll have any benefit, but the damage is probably limited in scope as well. People who weren't gonna read the article will continue to not do so.

No Distraction Wizard

So, the real question is: which one will make someone ~~curious~~ care and read?

Margarine

I feel meh either way, and haven't voted yet

Shadow Wizard

@fbueckert but appears as first Google result. Sadly enough, reprex search gives unrelated results, which is even more misleading.

user271002

1:32 PM

Hej @Mar did you see our new mods?

user271002

Please be nice to them. ;-)

Margarine

@Loong Wha . . . How did I miss that

@Loong shit, I've closed chat, that's why

user271002

removes room owner status

Shadow Wizard

@NoDistractionWizard neither, but the later will confuse those few who would want to read.

fbueckert

@ShadowWizard Ideally, both of them should be smart links, and link to the same place.

That way, if they're not going to read, they're not going to read, and we don't have to worry about their question anymore.

Shadow Wizard

1:34 PM

@Margarine I can still see your nose

Margarine

@Loong My ROness has been eternally carved into the room. If you want site-wide chaos, go ahead

@ShadowWizard No you can't! Nose gets longer

fbueckert

Reprex just sounds like a fancy regex.

Shadow Wizard

Yep ^

Margarine

No, weight loss pill, I tell ya

Shadow Wizard

flagging Shog's question as spam

runs away

Magisch

1:35 PM

@fbueckert .replace(/[^0-9]/g,'');

Margarine

Or a widely available drug's commercial name

fbueckert

@Magisch Considering regex needs a degree in spelunking and constant refreshing, that's all greek to me.

Margarine

Do we have some kinda data that "MCVE" itself caused confusion?

I don't even recall anecdotal evidence of that

Magisch

@fbueckert remove everything from a string that is not a number

Margarine

Sure, having to do something about your question came off as a big enough surprise for people

Shadow Wizard

1:38 PM

@Magisch so -100 becomes just -?

Awesome and useful. :D

Magisch

No, it becomes 100

that is NOT a number

Shadow Wizard

oh lol

fbueckert

Honestly, if someone asks a question that needs an MCVE, I have serious doubts the question will ever get one.

Users just don't understand, and either through confusion, stubbornness, arrogance, or whatever, just don't edit their question.

Magisch

Or what also happens is they don't immediately get an answer but still have the problem so keep googling to eventually get an answer instead

Margarine

Oh, to me, regex is basically a common enough English word with an excessive amount of punctuation around it.

Magisch

1:41 PM

in which case aint nobody ever coming back to that (now solved) question

Tinkeringbell

@fbueckert I got the vibe from Shog's post though that the whole reprex thing was more related to trying to clearly communicate an expectation up front in something else than a four letter abbreviation?

Journeyman Geek

Or they try somewhere with lower standards

Tinkeringbell

Kinda strange to shoot it down with 'it's not going to make people edit their posts to include it'

Margarine

.defecate(=^.^=)meow[.''.]Ididn'tdoit

Magisch

I think the contention people have with it is that nobody that isn't a R developer will know what it is and those who do might confuse it with the R package of the same name

Margarine

1:43 PM

@Tinkeringbell you're not jaded enough

Tinkeringbell

@Margarine Duh. Jade is greenish

Margarine

Well it's your fault anyway.

Now gimme your chi.

No Distraction Wizard

ち

Margarine

@NoDistractionWizard yeah we all know your handwriting is awful

Tinkeringbell

@Margarine You want my life energy? At this point? sends over two atoms

Feeds

1:46 PM

The key caps use LCD displays for all the vowels, so they can automatically adjust over the years to reflect ongoing vowel shifts while allowing you to keep typing phonetically.

No Distraction Wizard

@Feeds reminds me of MCVE

fbueckert

@Tinkeringbell Confusion is confusion; it still doesn't communicate what it is we want the user to do.

Tinkeringbell

@fbueckert That's a better argument ;)

Vote Dukakis

People just need more practice using reprex in a sentence to see its benefits.

> Hey girl, are you a bug? Cuz I'd totally reprex you.

or something better...

I didn't vote on the reprex post one way or another. But I do dislike the hyphen.

It shows how far SO departed from its antihyphen roots.

Tinkeringbell

@VoteDukakis Why do girls never get to use lame pickup lines?

No Distraction Wizard

1:56 PM

@VoteDukakis stares at SE's generated URL slug

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell What's stopping you?

I hear the success rate is quite high

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Mainly, never heard of any that exist ;)

Magisch

"You could totally ruffle my feathers"

I'm not very good at this

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Hahaha I see :P

And Pickup is banned on IPS so :P

Catija

😕

Tinkeringbell

2:03 PM

Uhoh... the CM is frowning ;) Let's change topic

fbueckert

@Tinkeringbell Stereotypes?

Tinkeringbell

@fbueckert Probably ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell I have a general distaste for pickup lines but I've never been seriously target of one so it's a "meh" tier issue

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I've... subtly ... retorted a few in my short life ;)

Magisch

2:19 PM

On a different note, it's aspargus time and fresh strawberrys will be soon

they always sell these right near the field in my town, and they're always delicious

Shog9

also rhubarb

Magisch

yaaaas

Shog9

As Garrison used to intone...
One little thing can revive a guy,
And that is a slice of rhubarb pie

Magisch

homemade rhubarb jam

Shog9

Perfect for an invigorating breakfast, the end of a long day, or when someone rejects your cheesy pickup line

fbueckert

2:22 PM

@Shog9 Raw rhubarb is awesome.

Magisch

It's also wild garlic time

fbueckert

And strawberry rhubarb jam. Yum.

Magisch

I'll go out collecting some this weekend

you can make so many things with wild garlic

Margarine

0

Q: Why in India when it rains, a electricity transformer always blasts?

When ever it rains, some corner of street or other a electricity transformer always blasts

support

And this is SE's fault.

@Magisch Like garlic toothpaste

Shog9

if folks weren't glued to their computers drawing all that power using SO, the transformer could be shut down safely and disconnected from the grid prior to the electrical storm

Magisch

2:25 PM

garlic pesto, butter, infusions, salad, dried and ground up as spice, just as random greens in your soup or omelet

so many uses

Margarine

And biological samples to look at under the microscope and pretend are exciting.

Shog9

warding off vampires... curing pinkeye...

Magisch

they even make wild garlic infused liquor

So strong you can smell the garlic 2 rooms away when you open the bottle

Shog9

"Love drinking to excess, but hate the halitosis it gives you?"

Magisch

my grandma used to love it

Rob

2:28 PM

It's truly amazing how far technology has come in the past half century, what used to take up a whole room has been reduced to something you can hold in your hand. Example: We used to have this, now we have the XKeyboarCD.

Margarine

@Rob And what you could hold in your hand has turned into an icon

And used for the same purpose too. Imagine King Louis or whatever sending 5 million pigeons telling people he'd make France great again

Rob

Journeyman Geek

I saw it happen once

with no rain

was quite ... dramatic

Not just the sparks, the burning transformer oil flying out

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch I've never used pickup lines. No idea what it makes me, but hey... I was able to find what I looked for even without it. :D

@Rob yeah that biggest achievement of humanity is making things.... Smaller. :P

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard said the actress to the bishop....

Shadow Wizard

2:40 PM

Chess?

Chess didn't become smaller... I think? lol

@Margarine you play chess? I forgot, remember only @Pro is pro in chess. :D

Journeyman Geek

Said the actress to the bishop

The phrase "Said the actress to the bishop" is a colloquial and vulgar British exclamation, offering humour by serving as a punch line that exposes an unintended double entendre. An equivalent phrase in North America is "that's what she said". Each phrase is an example of a Wellerism, exposing a second meaning of what precedes it. The versatility of such phrases, and their popularity, lead some to consider them clichéd. == History and variations == The term, or its variant "as the actress said to the bishop", is British in origin. It was in popular usage in the Royal Air Force c.1944-47, but may...

Rob

One of my former neighbors probably didn't get pickup lines, no one could lift her.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek ohhhhh lool

Since when you became British?! ;)

Next you'll start using grey instead of gray, etc... :D

Rob

She seemed to average three dates a week, so I also presume that such (in)formalities were unnecessary.

Shadow Wizard

@Rob exactly

Journeyman Geek

2:43 PM

@ShadowWizard actually that is how I spell it....

Shadow Wizard

I don't remember how my dates started, but sure that we just jumped into small talk, trying to know each other, etc.

@JourneymanGeek wait, does Singapore use British English?

In Israel we use/learn US English.

That said.... Madonna arrived!1!! :D

Rob

Ah Guest is back. o/

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard yes

Rob

America also uses grey, as in Greyhound et al. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grey#Usage_notes

rene

3:03 PM

@ShadowWizard quick question: did you watch the first round of the EU song context? Remember to watch tomorrow and Saturday as the Netherlands is going to win this time.

Tinkeringbell

3:19 PM

@rene No spoiling things! We're watching that just now ;)

Vote Dukakis

> After an amazing 9 years, today is my last day at @StackOverflow <3. I will be joining @Grafana soon. Consider joining me ( grafana.com/about/hiring ) or replacing me! ( stackoverflow.com/jobs/263065/… …) -- Kyle Brandt at 7:58 AM - 15 May 2019

No Distraction Wizard

@ShadowWizard practically, they use Singlish though...

rene

@Tinkeringbell I guess we can campaign for tele-voting or is that considered to be voting fraud and we will be suspended?

Vote Dukakis

This means none of three authors of SF blog work at SE anymore.

Rob

Netherlands, this is categorically similar and better - but this is the winner.

No Distraction Wizard

3:31 PM

I just want to Maiyahi...

Tinkeringbell

@rene We should. If you're going to end up suspended, it's more likely going to be for spam ;)

rene

My IP entered spamram ....

Margarine

@JourneymanGeek What are you? 70?

Thanks for the TIL tho

@ShadowWizard all I know about chess is the king is useless and the queen does everything. Something like Britain, dunno.

-2

Q: Can ultra and infra

-2 This is my first question on here—I hope I get it right! I am 69 years old and I believe the victim of gaslighting and ELDER ABUSE. On the nights of February 8 and 9 of this year while being a guest at a former friends house while trying to sleep in my room by myself I experienced symptoms of...

technology

Tinkeringbell

3:51 PM

@rene Apparently boots instead of pants are all the rage this year. Makes me wonder what Duncan will wear.

Margarine

@Tinkeringbell Mr. Google tells me it's a Dutch singer. What about him?

rene

He is going to be the successor of Teach-In

Tinkeringbell

@Margarine We're watching the first round of Eurovision songfestival semifinals that happened yesterday evening (yay for on demand). I was critiquing the amount of insensible outfits ;)

Margarine

@rene No I mean will he go to the contest with shorts and boots?

Tinkeringbell

@Margarine I was hoping not ;)

Margarine

3:57 PM

Also WTH. You Dutches need to be better at naming. Teach In sounds like some parent's club.

rene

We have no idea.

@Margarine he doesn't have a dance act so I guess even no pants will do ....

Margarine

@rene He does need to enter the stage though.

Tinkeringbell

@Margarine Try 'Toppers' or 'Drukwerk' ;)

Margarine

Unless he's planning to glue the piano to his privates for memorableness's sake

Tinkeringbell

De kast, De Dijk

Margarine

4:00 PM

@Tinkeringbell Durkwreck doesn't sound so bad. What does it mean?

Tinkeringbell

@Margarine printed stuff or a nr. 2

Margarine

Wow, OK. This reminds me of when my friend said Hans Zimmer looks like a boring history teacher.

Tinkeringbell

@Margarine he kinda does though ;)

rene

@Margarine when we don't win, we try that for next year.

@Tinkeringbell I see you went all-in with the "Toppers" ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene ah yeah, sometimes you just gotta let your light shine ;)

Margarine

4:09 PM

@Shog9 FWIW, the term "Min-reprex" doesn't explain anything either; I thought it was a mathematical term until I read your post. Not only is it longer than MCVE, but reprex isn't a word... it's parts of two words arbitrarily smashed together. "Min-repro" (for one example) would be shorter than "Min-reprex", and better than both "Min-reprex" and "MCVE" in that you can guess what it means without having to google it. It also has the added benefit of being a common abbreviation for reproducible and is already used here in the phrase "no repro". — TylerH 2 hours ago

WEIGHT LOSS PILL, DANGIT

John Dvorak

"reprex" is ... reprexive...

Margarine

@JohnDvorak I am deeply reprexed by your reprexion comment.

John Dvorak

How about "not the right amount of code"? It's not minimal, but it reproduces the intent.

> Posting too little or too much to count
> P is for posting imperfect amount

Margarine

MCPEV? Pronounced McPeeve. I like it

Rob

Notice that I made a brief appearance on stage!

No Distraction Wizard

4:22 PM

MCVE™ Overflow: a crowd-sourced site for assisting the problem maker in creating an acceptable MCVE™ post for Stack Overflow

Tinkeringbell

@Rob I retract what I said about boots. I've seen worse outfits by now ;)

user271002

@Margarine mini Brexit?

John Dvorak

Ah, the ask a question chatroom, AKA Stack Overflow mentorship program

Rob

How are those outfits "bad"? - no glitter, tears, or lack of mechanical gizmos ...

Tinkeringbell

@Rob okay, let's say 'insensible' then. Anything that requires tape to stay in proper places....

John Dvorak

4:27 PM

I don't think they're bad. I like the idea of singers wearing their casual clothes on stage.

Tinkeringbell

Or just looks ridiculous ;)

Like boots instead of pants

John Dvorak

I didn't notice any boot-pants. Looked like regular shiny leather pants to me.

Rob

@Tinkeringbell because this is so much more sensible? !

John Dvorak

@Rob cultural appropriation of French mimes

Also, it's sensible per se

Casual, yes, but that's far better than suits made of meat or Kermits.

or that leotard that Beyonce's lawyers wanted gone from the Internet so much.

Rob

@Tinkeringbell Yes, instead of pants. Relatively speaking, they are OK.

John Dvorak

4:41 PM

@Rob Katherine Jenkins wore it better

Tinkeringbell

@Rob I was expecting her to start singing let it go.

Rob

4:59 PM

She did Let it Go --- Don't click here: Mr. Methane Performs LET IT GO from FROZEN.

Margarine

6:08 PM

@Rob Googles Mr. Methane . . . WTF.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Just lost 62 reputation to a removed user...what happened?

Shog9

my guess: a user who voted for some of your posts was removed

Margarine

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog You just got assassinated from the shadows.

You're bleeding reps as we speak.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 Quick question: your post regarding vote preservation decisions says that if the user "is or ever was involved in voting fraud", the votes won't be kept. Does this mean that if a user is, say, involved in voting fraud in their early days and years later goes on to become an active constructive user who later requests deletion, are they forever precluded from having their votes preserved because of the past years-old incident?

@Margarine At least the system is kind enough to disclose to me how much of the rep invalidation was upvotes vs. downvotes...

Shog9

it can mean that

it doesn't have to mean that

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:19 PM

So then the words "ever was" should be changed.

Shog9

I really wouldn't want to set any unreasonable expectations here

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:32 PM

@Shog9 Without giving away too much detail, why was the decision made to invalidate the votes here? Did the user not vote enough times and it was an automatic decision, or was it a manual decision?

Shog9

I feel like any answer here gives away much details

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Edited

Magisch

1. Does it have to do with Rhubarb

Rob

6:51 PM

I gained reputation, so it seems positive to me.

Margarine

@Rob Oh you were the assassin!

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