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Shadow Wizard

06:29

@MarkAmery agree it's wrong on the verge of mod abuse, yes. Flagged the question asking to undelete the answers.

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard actually Visualstudio

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@ShadowWizard Looks like your wish got fulfilled

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@ShadowWizard Now that's user abuse

User ShadowWizard has too many powers. Someone stop him

Shadow Wizard

@GetAnswerWizard heh. That was super quick. Hopefully that mod won't do it again though. Will keep an eye and if he do it again, start meta discussion.

Get Answer Wizard

I guess 16 answers is the best compromise rather than 3 answers or 3 pages...

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

I don't get the math

Get Answer Wizard

06:36

16 > 3 or 3

Shadow Wizard

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

That's philosophy not math

Shadow Wizard

This will stop me ^^

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard "One is equal to the sum of its parts" is philosophy. ;)

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

06:50

@ShadowWizard A CM has been going through and doing similar things to FAQs here, and actively deleting answers posted to FAQs with requests to edit the info instead.

I don't think that it's abuse if it's done to a de-facto community FAQ (e.g. the NullPointerException question on SO).

@Shadow Should I VTC this so you can reopen it? Or is that abuse?

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheWizardWerehog it's different.

and CM isn't just a site mod.

@SonictheWizardWerehog abuse is to close and reopen instantly with a hammer just to clear pending close votes. If it's closed by others, it's not abuse of the hammer.

Voting to close just so it gets reopened isn't abuse, but not needed IMO... if it gets closed ping me and I'll reopen.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ShadowWizard So if I VTC it as a strategic move to enable you to bindingly reopen it so that technically you are not "clearing out the close votes" as per that definition, is that OK? (Can I get input from others on this curious question? I don't plan to do it, I reviewed Leave Open in the queue)

@ShadowWizard It got reviewed "Leave Open" in the queue, but received a fourth external vote

Now that I think about it, it would be abusive if you pinged me saying "hey Sonic, would you please VTC it so that I can reopen it?". But if I out of the blue, without asking you, go ahead and VTC on my own volition and then tell you, "hey Shadow, I've VTC'd this so that you can reopen it", would you follow through on it?

Shadow Wizard

07:16

@SonictheWizardWerehog yes, that's correct

John Dvorak

09:06

TIL: Google Maps has a feature that lets you buy tickets for tourist attractions directly from the map.
Also TIL: Apparently the price they ask for is 12x the price you can get at the place.

Shadow Wizard

10:18

@JohnDvorak well, Google is a business, they have to pay their bills somehow. No? ;)

Think how much they pay for electricity for all their computers.

Won't be surprised if they plan to build, or already got, their own nuclear power plant.

Shadow Wizard

10:32

plz-delete Google duplicate meta.stackexchange.com/questions/326772/… @rene @Bart @TravisJ

rene

11:00

voted on, needs 1 moar

Tinkeringbell

gone!

rene

\o/

Shadow Wizard

Gone with the shadow of a tinkering flower.... :D

user437611

@ShadowWizard Uh, hi. Sorry, I deleted my answer temporarily as I am myself not sure about a few things. Regarding your comment: "I think there is notification only if there are answers posted during the bounty period. (So it's pointless to notify the user, no answer can be awarded the bounty.) ": note that it isn't really pointless if there were answers posted before the bounty period too. Often bounties are placed to reward "existing" answers.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheWizardWerehog it's exactly the same

Shadow Wizard

11:11

@Blue oh so maybe no answers at all. Both cases I checked had no answers at all.

user437611

@ShadowWizard Martin's bountied question did have an existing answer.

user437611

12

Q: Brushing teeth before or after breakfast

Usually in the morning I brush my teeth after breakfast. But my dentist told me that it's better not brush them right after eating food, because eating makes them soft. So now I brush my teeth before breakfast. Is this the correct procedure? PS. Just found this article, the author has the same ...

Shadow Wizard

@Blue also, I'm special case, no need to be sorry for pinging me, on the contrary. I love pings. ;)

user437611

Also, per the faq:

user437611

> Note that even if no one else answered during the bounty period, the grace period is still in effect for 24 hours.

Shadow Wizard

11:13

@Blue oh. Well, we need someone who really knows, maybe with access to the code, to tell for sure then. e.g. Shog or Adam...

What's "NIO" anyway?? bah

user437611

@ShadowWizard Hehe, will keep in mind. :P

rene

@ShadowWizard Yeah, I was about to ask, possible spam seed

user437611

@ShadowWizard Yep, probably. :/

Shadow Wizard

@Blue cheers! And if you also love pings, jump to Den and you'll surely get many. :D

@rene yup, hence reported

@rene or anyone else... how can I downgrade android 8 to android 7, or even 6? It's a total nightmare. Slow, buggy, laggy, and what's not. :(

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ShadowWizard To ensure folks in Charcoal HQ know why you're reporting a given post, especially if it's not obvious, use the reason feature: !!/report [post(s)] "reason"

Shadow Wizard

11:19

I knew it's a mistake, but... hoped they will improve things without making it sloooow. Of course it was false hope.

rene

@ShadowWizard has 2 "normal" looking answers on SO

Shadow Wizard

@rene hmm

meh, still spammy enough on MSE

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard you can't unless the phone once supported ot

Even then it's tricky

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheWizardWerehog tried it once it didn't work, thought the reason is another post.

@JourneymanGeek :(

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@ShadowWizard It works; the reason is a text string. It doesn't show up in the chat message due to technical constraints, but it does show up in the metasmoke page

...and to users using userscripts

rene

11:21

@ShadowWizard I've posted a cv-pls in socvr for the SO question.

Aibobot

12:14

worldwide whatsapp outage ;p

Journeyman Geek

theverge.com/2019/4/14/18310069/…

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot Apparently the Netherlands aren't a part of this world ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Aibobot likely @nical fault... ;)

Tinkeringbell

12:27

@JourneymanGeek Downdetector is fun too: downdetector.com

Shadow Wizard

I wish Facebook will stay down for good.

Go go hackers! Or whoever took it down!

:D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard noooes! my crochet group friends :)

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell meet them in person, much better :D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard expensive though

Shadow Wizard

oh no facebook.com is not down :(

Aibobot

12:44

lol

My workplace relies heavily on whatsapp soooooo

Shadow Wizard

WhatsApp is a must, yeah.

But Facebook is "evil for fun".

So can be safely closed.

No dancing cats, people will live with that.

Journeyman Geek

I don't like whatsapp 😭

Shadow Wizard

But it's a must these days to contact other people. :/

@user49915 hey, hope you understand by now that downvotes are not personal?

Sleepy? Maybe coffee will help then...

!!/coffee user

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Cappuccino for @user

Shadow Wizard

waffles!

Tinkeringbell

12:50

*stroopwafels

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard whyyyyyyuuu?

user508672

@ShadowWizard I looked up the transcript above; some folks here simply had fun on what I wrote. Alright; do it. Btw., I hate coffee; I prefer tea ;-). But you couldn't know it; thanks anyway.

Journeyman Geek

@user49915 I do feel the way you ask questions dosen't help. It's very much 'i have an opinion. Change my mind'

Mark Amery

@ShadowWizard Why do you think those answers are useful to preserve?

user508672

@JourneymanGeek I do have an opinion - everyone has, you too. But I do my best to formulate my questions with my opinion hidden or, if it's not possible, allow the folks to disagree in an answer.

Mark Amery

12:55

(Have already reflagged a couple of the most obviously duplicate / harmful ones for redeletion.)

Shadow Wizard

@MarkAmery they give different ways to solve the same thing

@user49915 well:

!!/tea user

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @user

Shadow Wizard

Here you go ^

Mark Amery

@ShadowWizard Some do, yes. But is there any situation at all in which those different ways are preferable?

user508672

@ShadowWizard @SmokeDetector Thanks folks!

Mark Amery

12:57

I can maybe see the case for keeping one regex-based answer around

Shadow Wizard

@MarkAmery I didn't look that deep. But I do know for sure that many times I pick a different answer, not the accepted or highest score, because it's the most simple for me to write. So yes, it's useful, even if not 100% ideal.

Mark Amery

@ShadowWizard I can't imagine a situation in which the regex-based answers would be simpler than includes or indexOf

Shadow Wizard

If answer is not ideal and may result in delay of 0.0001 seconds, a comment can say it, maybe downvote. But NOT deleting it.

Mark Amery

@ShadowWizard That seems to be at odds with the idea of a wiki-locked question

Apply a wiki-lock means we've already decided that adding more answers is doing harm

And that we instead want a smaller, carefully curated set of answers

Shadow Wizard

@MarkAmery so merge all the answers into one big canonical answer, don't just delete all the "smaller" answers.

Mark Amery

13:00

Okay, but should every possible solution be preserved, no matter how pointless?

Ry-'s objective was to trim down to the smallest set of answers that all had some actual justification for existing

Shadow Wizard

Anyway.... feel free to discuss this on MSO, I'll be fine with any action resulting from such a thing, but I'm not fine with a mod deleting answers on what appears as almost random spree.

@user49915 no problem, hope you feel better. :)

Mark Amery

@ShadowWizard I'll wait and see what extra fat can be uncontroversially trimmed off, first

user508672

@ShadowWizard Not at all, but thanks anyway!!!

Shadow Wizard

@user49915 oh. Well if there's anything we can do, just ask. Can't promise anything, but asking here is for free and you won't lose any rep. ;)

Mark Amery

@ShadowWizard Any beef with removing stackoverflow.com/a/1978419/1709587 (which has devolved into a three-way argument masquerading as an answer) or stackoverflow.com/a/1789955/1709587 (bad duplicate of the accepted answer)?

user508672

13:04

@ShadowWizard Don't worry about my rep, man, it's alright.

Mark Amery

Those are the two I've currently got flags on

Shadow Wizard

@MarkAmery the first was found useful by 900 people with account and 15+ rep. This alone means it should not be deleted. So it's not ideal. It can cause bugs. So can any line of code in any answer on SO.

No cause for deletion.

Mark Amery

@ShadowWizard Many of those votes will have been before includes was specced. Now, even if you really really want a method on the native object's prototype, you have the saner option of shimming the ES6 method

Shadow Wizard

@Mark the second one is a very simple one liner for those who skip long answers. I'll keep it as well.

Mark Amery

i.e. there may historically have been a case to be made for doing it the way that that answer recommends WAIT NO DOESN'T RECOMMEND OI NO SRSLY DOES RECOMMEND but it no longer exists

And when it's no longer useful, I'm not sure what to do with such a schizophrenic answer besides delete it

@ShadowWizard We have... very different curation ideals, I think. I'll see how the mods decide to handle the flags already raised, then take to Meta

Shadow Wizard

13:11

Many programmers are still coding for pre-ES6 JS, and millions of people still use IE, which doesn't support ES6 and will never support it, so those programmers will always have a job. So deleting answers because they're outdated is also very wrong.

Mark Amery

Again: they can shim the ES6 method

Shadow Wizard

@MarkAmery yup, best course of action. :)

Mark Amery

That is strictly better than adding a non-specced method to the prototype; it gives them all the advantages without any disadvantages

Shadow Wizard

@user49915 I'm not, no worry. :)

Heh, two Mar's now in Tavern.

And one @M.A.R ;)

@user49915 if I may ask, what site you come from? You obviously have 200+ rep somewhere, but you Hide MSE so can't easily find it. :(

user508672

@ShadowWizard Sorry, I cannot expand on that it public for exacty that reason. My apologies.

user508672

13:25

@JourneymanGeek Which parts exactly do you consider broad in meta.stackexchange.com/questions/326785 ?

Journeyman Geek

@user49915 demanding specific users who fit the criteria. Asking if any new user ever...

user508672

But the answer proves that these were easy to find out. New means "3 years", and it's there. I don't think I ever wrote "ever" in the OP.

Journeyman Geek

It's still too broad...

In spite of SEDE

user508672

I removed the first questionmark so that it doesn't sound like a question to you. What's wrong about using SEDE to answer the question?

Journeyman Geek

If you're going 'I feel this way - I need all the counter examples in X period of time that matches this criteria to change my mind' it's too broad

It also doesn't really solve a problem the community faces Imo, in the context. It's more 'people downvote my posts so the site must be hostile to new users'

user508672

13:33

I intentionally distanced myself from writing 'feel'. Moreover, I never asked for "all", but only for "one". I never claimed the meta SE would be "hostile". If you think I have, feel free to raise a flag regarding a violation of CoC, but it would not be "too broad".

Journeyman Geek

Still. That form of question works badly

Pet peeve. Abuse of COC.

If you're violating the COC, I will throw the book at you.

@user49915 well that's the sentiment I pick up

John Dvorak

Throwing books at people is a CoC violation

user508672

@JourneymanGeek Well, you may feel free to mention CoC or not, but I don't see why you think that the question is still "too broad". After all, I've set the background and posed a mathematically very precise question. You cannot accuse me for that.

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak but but... I can do so kindly!

user508672

@JourneymanGeek You may or may not criticise me for the relation to the so-called "problem the community faces" (I don't think this term is properly defined anyway), but the definition of "too broad" in meta.stackexchange.com/help/closed-questions doesn't mention it.

Journeyman Geek

13:42

@user49915 Well if the community or other mods disagree....

meta.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask

You would do yourself good to read that.

user508672

@JourneymanGeek You may or may not claim a violation of that, but you need a different reason then. "too broad" doesn't count imho.

Journeyman Geek

@user49915 as I said. The community or other mods are free to reopen the post

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak depends what books

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