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02:11

julia ecklar - the eternal flame

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Get Answer Wizard

02:43

Huh

Looks like Robert is back since yesterday, Area 51 is safe now...

> Ontology Network is no longer welcome to submit an application to create a Stack Exchange site.

Looks like there's a blacklist for some proposals

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

02:58

stroopwafels

Rob

03:39

@GetAnswerWizard An epistemology on the phenomenon of Ontology is phenomenologically unepistemic.

Get Answer Wizard

04:21

I'm confused...

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Q: Help with approach when designing a site proposal

I am trying to sort out a design problem before proposing a new site. Problem: there are two main flavors of questions one would ask on the new site: technical and functional. They are distinct yet related. Technical would always deal with programming, i.e. code. Functional would always deal w...

area51-meta

Journeyman Geek

06:04

@Rob ~~I see~~ I have completely no idea what you did there.

Get Answer Wizard

06:34

Rejoice, IE users?

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Q: Ads aren't displaying correctly in IE11

Unless Slack is trying some really covert recruitment tactics, there seems to be rendering issue with some ads in the sidebar: I've also seen ads where text doesn't wrap, and you only see half of a sentence where the logo is in the above ad. I'm using IE11 at work (to my sorrow), which is app...

bug design advertising browser-support

Tinkeringbell

07:02

→ 29 messages moved to Chimney

Morning!

Get Answer Wizard

Raining!

Tinkeringbell

Noooo

Sunshine! :D

But there will be more clouds this afternoon/evening, I understand.

Get Answer Wizard

... it just thundered over here...

Tinkeringbell

Ohh, nice!

Magisch

grrr

mssql

I hate you

Get Answer Wizard

07:24

And now, the sun shines as bright as MS SQL

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

07:45

@GetAnswerWizard why, is it brown?

Get Answer Wizard

Brown!

Journeyman Geek

09:21

→ 3 messages moved to Chimney

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

09:52

Just purchased an adapter to convert my Bose QC25 wired headphones to wireless...having used wired headphones for a long time, I find the lag very noticeable

ahorn

10:09

Here I am again, trying to figure out how to hyperlink in chat

Tinkeringbell

@ahorn It works! We also have a Sandbox sort of room to try that kind of stuff :)

Journeyman Geek

Also I can never remember so I use the help to remind me

Get Answer Wizard

120 and counting for non-SO/SE meta

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Q: Can we please be more generous to elementary beginners?

This question: Given that $\arctan(1/5) + \arctan(1/8) = \arctan(1/p)$, how to find the value of $p$? (now deleted again) was originally closed as "off-topic". Here is the original title: Tricky Trig question - Given that arctan(1/5) + arctan(1/8) = arctan(1/p) find the value of P. And h...

discussion deletion

Mithrandir

@Tinkeringbell Next, try rollover text...

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/89/7660047

Get Answer Wizard

10:31

nope

Magisch

10:42

Turns out you need to disable asynchronous reporting services before you're able to connect in sql server single user mode

which is necessary to restore master db files from elsewhere

John Dvorak

10:52

I've put bag of apples on a previously unused spot on my table, and a cobweb spider immediately bolted under my stack of DVDs. She has now returned to her usual resting spot, and touching the bag moves the spider. I'm contemplating if I should leave the bag to her as a new home decoration.

Magisch

@JohnDvorak how big is a cobweb spider?

John Dvorak

0.5cm body length, approximately. It's a house variety steadota triangulosa female (I think) adult.

And not too interested in running away from my breath.

Magisch

11:36

@JohnDvorak "Maybe if I don't move the giant predator will not detect and eat me"

John Dvorak

I'm not really into eating spiders, but don't tempt me twice. The moment somebody starts selling them in my locality as food, I'll be in the line.

rene

12:09

I guess nobody missed me, but I'm back on-line

Magisch

the houseplant has arrived

o/ leaf

Tinkeringbell

@rene I read you message in the Den, so yeah, didn't miss you :P

rene

:D

Tinkeringbell

@rene Took long enough to fix though, must've been boring.

rene

Yeah, I went to the office y'day so I could at least get some stuff done ... today the planned time was 10:00 to 12:00. KPN showed up at the door at 13:00 ...

Tinkeringbell

12:19

Of course..

rene

took them a hour to fix as the cable was beyond repair ...

Tinkeringbell

Poor cable.

rene

Did you ever try KPN-FON?

I did, I want my 5 euro back

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Had the weirdest issue with my Internet connection a few days back. Our building management sent out a memo regarding the ISP coming to everyone's apartments and installing new Wi-Fi routers, so we wouldn't have to install our own.

Unfortunately, I couldn't switch over, as I have a printer that uses the same LAN and so I must stick with my own router. After the change, I completely lost my connection.

I tried connecting to my router local IP to see what the issue was, but it wasn't connecting. So I decided to connect to it using a cable, but my 2016 laptop doesn't have an Ethernet port, and I couldn't find my adapter.

So I quickly rented an hourly car and drove to the local Fry's Electronics to buy a new adapter, and briefly contemplated buying a new router.

Tinkeringbell

@rene Never. What is it?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

12:32

I got back, hooked up the new adapter, and the router was working fine. But there was no connection. Turns out the issue was that of the two Ethernet ports in my room, I just needed to switch it to the other one.

rene

@Tinkeringbell some local wifi that is offered by means of KPN customers sharing their band-width without them knowing. And it is due to that unstable (to put it nicely).

@SonictheWizardWerehog lol ... one of those days ...

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

So I'd effectively wasted money on the car rental and on the new adapter...thankfully, I didn't get a new router.

@rene Heh...I've seen that in Canada, with at least two companies (Shaw and Telus) doing such a thing. Here, a company called Spectrum is rolling out a similar thing, but it just hasn't caught on as people are demanding free Wi-Fi.

Rory Alsop

@rene I used FON for years - the deal in the UK was awesome for a while. Free access anywhere in the UK (ish) as long as you shared yours. So when connectivity was expensive it really helped. Now it still exists, but not as important. My car happily connects to them wherever I drive though, so that's nice

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

When I lived on campus, the management there began an unofficial policy of disallowing personal Wi-Fi routers, but I got around this by naming my network as if it were an auto-generated network made by a printer/streaming device/etc. And even if I got caught, there was no such provision in the contract, so I technically couldn't be sanctioned for it. (Of course, to avoid complaints, I set the Wi-Fi channels appropriately to avoid conflicts, and reduced the signal strength.)

rene

@SonictheWizardWerehog yeah, I'm close but not close enough to a reliable free wifi.

@RoryAlsop the problem here was it connected and disconnected at will. And as I paid for it I expected it to be at least reliable in connecting while not expecting great speed.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

12:43

Isn't there a big security flaw, in case one operator decides to perform a MITM attack?

rene

I ... used a vpn to counter that ...

rene

13:54

There is a Brexit joke in here. Maybe many voters tried to put two check marks on the ballot and now they have an unexpected result ...

SOCVR roommeeting Thursday, April 25 at 20:00 UTC

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Get Answer Wizard

14:25

Closing is good.

Shadow Wizard

14:44

@GetAnswerWizard depends what

closing all @Get's questions

:D

Magisch

finally new keyboard

:D

Shadow Wizard

:D

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Now if you ever make a typo again... :P

Magisch

It's the same keyboard as before, but new

I first tried to get a decent keyboard, with lighting and macro keys and all, but found I didn't like the feel of the keys at all, so I went back to my 15€ cherry keyboard

now I have a 20 minutes used LED macro keyboard gathering dust

Tinkeringbell

15:05

@Magisch :( Couldn't you try it out in a shop first?

Kevin B

that would require going somewhere

Tinkeringbell

@KevinB Exercise is good! :P

Parrots that don't get enough exercise get really annoying ;)

Magisch

15:31

@Tinkeringbell I bought it from a local store

Anyone know charities that can meaningfully do something with a macro keyboard? I already asked my friends, none of them want it

its one of those

Kevin B

16:34

do birds work in microgravity

John Dvorak

Birds don't sow or reap. Their heavenly father feeds them instead. (Mt 6:26)

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak True, though in this case it's mom that still cooks for me :P

Feeds

18:00

This really validates Jones's strategy of getting several thousand more votes than Smith. In retrospect, that was a smart move; those votes were crucial.

Mark Amery

18:15

Am I the only one experiencing meta.stackexchange.com/questions/326711/…?

Tinkeringbell

@MarkAmery Nah, it's blank here too. What was in it though, I can't really remember, stuff to do with formatting, right?

Mark Amery

Yeah

Pasting images and post preview are also broken

Tinkeringbell

Indeed... trying to ctrl-v an image in chat doesn't work anymore :(

Also... give me some time and I would've written a comment XD

Alex

@MarkAmery Same here.

Mark Amery

Now fixed for me

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

18:25

That feeling when you come online exactly when the issue was fixed and can't say "yeah, reproduced"

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard Awww :( You always seem to miss all the fun!

Is it just me or are things almost always fixed by 'reverting the build'?

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

Except the ones that cause unscheduled site maint

John Dvorak

How do you fix errors that were caused by a code revert? By reverting the revert?

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

Ask Schrodinger for help

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak That should have a trigger warning. Don't ask, I had to do that once.

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

18:39

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Q: Immediate up-voting of answer

The answer in question I have deleted, a user pointed out to me that I did not understand the question properly and upon further inspection they were correct. One thing I can't seem to shake is the fact that the answer was upvoted almost instantaneously, it would have been impossible for someone...

discussion up-votes

Rare sighting. Asks about upvotes

John Dvorak

What's the P(asked about serial upvoting | got serially upvoted) though?

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

Mythic sighting

John Dvorak

I mean, do people not ask about serial upvotes because they don't get serially upvoted, or because they're OK with getting serially upvoted?

Alex

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard I've had a few cases like that.

in V'dibarta Bam on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Jun 17 '18 at 5:38, by Alex

I just posted an answer and it got upvoted within 30 seconds. The answer is really really long so there is almost no way someone could have read the entire thing in that amount of time. Do people upvote based on only reading part of an answer? Or do they upvote based on the person posting it?

Kevin B

i haven't been serially downvoted in a while... i think it's because i decided to leave less comments

serially upvoted? happened a week ago from someone in chat

rene

18:57

> "shouldn't" and "don't" are different words.

never noticed difference

Kevin B

wut

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@rene Doesn't surprise me. Non-English European languages have a LOT of letters they don't pronounce

rene

:p

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

schphthch -> ʃ

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tl;dr: Planned service interruption that will impact all Stack Overflow/Stack Exchange sites, Jobs, Chat, and Teams. All sites will be read-only for up to an hour during the maintenance. Enterprise cloud hosted instances will not be impacted. Short Version: There will be a service degradation f...

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Mark Amery

22:40

I am reminded again why I should avoid straying outside the computery Stack Exchanges for the sake of my sanity. A tangentially relevant joke about how men suck at teamwork is not to be removed from this Skeptics question, apparently: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/34092

I can't help but think that if the genders were flipped there'd be a mod message or suspension doled out for the same thing.

Shog9

I don't think the author of the question made that post

FWIW, this is the kind of crap we're getting from Twitter right now too - essentially arguing that because Skeptics allows questions to contain dodgy crap (so that answers can confirm / refute it), the site is implicitly endorsing dodgy crap.

Mark Amery

Yeah, @Shog9 - I realised that after suggesting the edit. It's still nothing but a sexist joke with no reason to be present, though, being preserved by a mod. I don't grasp the rationale.

Shog9

I see the argument, but... "Someone on the Internet posted something bad - is it legit?" can be an actual question.

of course... it can also be a thinly-veiled attempt to just promote "something bad"

Kevin B

Is the quote not just as effective as the image at portraying the argument being asked about?

if not moreso

Mark Amery

@Shog9 The comment about men and teamwork is not the subject of the question, though. Its presence adds nothing.

Shog9

22:45

it embodies the controversy represented by the rest of the question

Aaron Hall

Enjoying some 4-buck chuck pinot noir poured through an aerator... not bad...

Shog9

Yes, the question could be asked without it, but it does serve a small role in justifying the notability of the question itself

which is a thing that Skeptics tries to do

because of that "fake question" thing I alluded to above

@AaronHall like... Those faucet things?

that's a new one to me

the mods and core users on Skeptics have a hard job, and frankly every decision stands a good chance of pissing off a bunch of people. And... Sometimes for good reason, but... That doesn't make it any easier.

Aaron Hall

it's like a spigot you wedge into the bottle with little holes. seems to do the trick. quite drinkable in just a minute of sitting...

Shog9

I think I'll stick with cheap whisky

Aaron Hall

@Shog9 if I'm going to kill brain cells, I'd rather do it in style...

makes note to surprise Shog with some good stuff a few years from now...

Catija

22:50

I've seen some pretty stylish bar ware...

Shog9

I got some pretty classy Anchor Hocking canning jars now. Can't help but look stylish drinking whisky from an Anchor Hocking jam jar

Aaron Hall

I want one of these:

imgur.com/gallery/lqkbucq

Shog9

that does seem like a good idea

I always spill too much beer

just trying to get back to my seat

Mark Amery

@Shog9 I suppose I can see this rationale if I squint, but I am not convinced that adding in insults targeted at demographics to as a way of framing questions is... entirely healthy.

Shog9

so I end up standing like... 10 feet away from the beer stand, hurredly slurping foam

@MarkAmery almost nothing about that question is healthy

Mark Amery

22:53

Well, I agree with that too :P

Shog9

unfortunately, Skeptics doesn't always get to decide on what topics are healthy targets for skepticism

I have a lot of faith in Sklivvz, Odd, Mad & Co - as rough as it can get, they're among the best to handle it

...Jamie. Jamie's the one I couldn't remember off-hand. Gettin' old :-/

Mark Amery

If I were them I'd have closed it as opinion-based, honestly - there doesn't seem to be a specific factual claim at stake. Notably, while both answers provide some facts, you can reasonably summarise either of them as "Yes, the media falsely gave her credit and Big League Politics is entirely correct" or "No, the media were right and BLP is nonsense" depending upon your political inclinations.

Shog9

The sad thing is, I gotta wonder how many folks are reading this sorta stuff on Facebook or whatever who have no idea what software dev is like and think any of this matters at all

ArtOfCode

@MarkAmery factual claim: Bouman was not responsible for as much of the work as the media is claiming

answer: claim is incorrect, metrics are inappropriate

Mark Amery

@ArtOfCode I dispute that that's a factual claim, because "as much of the work as the media is claiming" is not well-defined.

ArtOfCode

23:01

it's defined enough

Shog9

This is why Skeptics doesn't really do "the media says" or "people say" or "I've heard" as notable claims

You have to nail down a quote

from a reasonably notable source

else... You're just asking folks to settle a bar dispute for you

ArtOfCode

there certainly are sites that have claimed Bouman was responsible for all/most of it, and there certainly are groups of social media users attempting to use certain metrics to disprove those sites' claim

question also contains a quote and notable source, and it's a recent and widespread/notable issue

seems to be a perfectly good fit to me

the image seems to be used not as an insult but as another illustration of one side of the claims being made

Mark Amery

I, uh, disagree with literally every message you've sent since the one I last replied to, which is kind of impressive. But I figure I should go and do something more worthwhile than argue about it - as Shog says, it matters little.

ArtOfCode

meh, sure

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

As the metasmoke problems have been sorted out, the stars on this message should be cleared.

Aaron Hall

23:16

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