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jo1storm

00:14

@πάνταῥεῖ indeed. Do you want to hear the saddest thing about this whole issue?

πάντα ῥεῖ

No

jo1storm

I haven't seen the moderator message.

Shadow Wizard

@jo1storm well to be serious for a second, lots of people get punished these days for things they did lots of years ago as result of #MeToo. Bad things, but 30 years back guess things were much different.

jo1storm

@ShadowWizard I am not going political on this chat.

Shadow Wizard

That is not political... But yeah can see your point.

My point is that sometimes we do pay for past mistakes even if it is not fair.

@πάνταῥεῖ no expert in Yoda speech I am, too lazy using a tool me. ;)

So consider this as Shadow Speech! :P

jo1storm

00:19

@ShadowWizard There is such thing as intentional crimes.

Anyway, as I was saying... Moderators send me a message. I don't reply to it, because I am not logged in. Once I log in, my account is already temporarily suspended. I see bunch of edits on my answers. Then, 10 edits down, after a lot of scrolling, I see a message.

Thing is, because I didn't see it there and I didn't know how to appeal ban, I already opened a ticket on meta. I wouldn't even have seen it if I didn't come to this chat and somebody told me there was a message from moderators there.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Point of fairness is arguable.

@ShadowWizard Me neither an expert is :)

jo1storm

@πάνταῥεῖ fairness, justice, law... All those things are so separated from one another.

Shadow Wizard

@jo1storm you should also got email about it. Maybe it reached your spam folder, or you use a fake/wrong email address.

jo1storm

@ShadowWizard got a mail. Only checked mail after opened a ticket.

@ShadowWizard no link towards message in the body of the mail they sent me.

Literally

the only way to access the message is from notification.

Shadow Wizard

@jo1storm so what else you expect? How would you make it more noticeable?

πάντα ῥεῖ

00:22

justice isn't equivalent to fairness. I believe that's one of the fundamental things tought at the basic Jura semesters, no?

Shadow Wizard

If you have solid idea, start a feature request asking for this, bringing your case as example why it is needed.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard A prototype justice case. That well follows the UK/US legal system.

jo1storm

@ShadowWizard two ways. 1) in the body of the mail, attach link where I can reply to that notification 2) among notifications, I would put messages from moderators on top, always, with edits coming after those. In addition, I would make message from moderators different color than other notifications 3) I would make a different area with only those messages. Right now, I can't see how you can access those messages except via notification the same color and shape as "Edited answer".

Seriously, look at this. A moderator edited my answer 3 times after the message. Then 5 more different answers after it. Message from moderators is the same colors as "answer edited."

Seriously, if you click on your profile, you can't find messages from moderators anywhere. You can only go there if you click on notification. And if that notification is buried 12 edits deep...

I really wish I have seen it earlier :( . Wouldn't have escalated to meta ticketing system if I have.

πάντα ῥεῖ

00:50

@jo1storm That kind of mod messages regarding bans are usually sent by email as well.

Hi @journey BTW. Another night shift?

Shadow Wizard

@jo1storm sounds like a good idea, feel free to start a feature request on MSE. :)

2 hours ago, by πάντα ῥεῖ

@publicstaticvoidmain Avoid that please!!! Such behavior already had been contributing to chase important users away from this room.

;-)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Unless you're sure the particular user won't be annoyed ;)

@ShadowWizard That's blatant sarcasm, and you well know it you bitch!

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ not yet no

tonight, and the 2 after that

and then I essentially am 9-5 on something else for the rest of the month (not quite for my employer )

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek I'll stay for a while, tho the better knowledge tells I should go to my bed :-/

@Journey I believe @Shadow already took that ticket, let's see ;)

@ArtOfCode No worries, just the usual mobbing ;)

ArtOfCode

01:07

Hm?

I just turned up here on entirely unrelated investigations, haven't even read back :)

Journeyman Geek

I just woke up and have no idea what is happening

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ArtOfCode Regarding @Shadow

@JourneymanGeek Morning o/

And I've been using probably rude wordings.

@ArtOfCode Good morning vietnam ;)

ArtOfCode

is confused

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ArtOfCode Have a coffee 1st ;)

ArtOfCode

I'm already three coffees deep today :P

Shog9

01:13

three pots of coffee... Impressive!

Journeyman Geek

I think he means... vats....

Shog9

fathoms

the only thing that makes sense in context

Journeyman Geek

I just woke up to find the annoying problem I had yesterday with ipv6 fixed itself...

πάντα ῥεῖ

Seriously nothing bad happened, unless @Shadow would complain for me calling them a bitch, and I am pretty sure he knows what I mean (yeah, I am mean sometimes).

Shog9

fathom

Noun: fathom (plural fathoms)

(obsolete) Grasp, envelopment, control.
(units of measure, now usually nautical) An English unit of length for water depth notionally based upon the width of grown man's outstretched arms but standardized as 6 feet (about 1.8 m)
(units of measure) Various similar units in other systems.
(figuratively) Depth of insight, mental reach or scope.
Shakespeare, Othello, Act I, Scene i, ll. 151-2:

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Journeyman Geek

01:15

and I don't know what broke.

Shog9

18' of coffee deep

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 but how wide?

cubic fathoms sounds like a good measure.

Shog9

we need a unit converter bot. I just realized this. How have we survived this long without one??

Journeyman Geek

or maybe fathoms ^2 chain

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 I probably mentioned that already, but I am happy to see you appear here again.

Shog9

01:16

well, thank you

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 if only there was an API for this sort of thing that wasn't bodged together.... ;p

Shog9

bodging things together is a fine old tradition

Journeyman Geek

agreed

Shog9

you should see the horror-show of scripts that the CMs run on

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 maybe some day, I'll be subjected to that horror ;)

that day isn't today.

Shog9

01:18

be thankful for small mercies

Journeyman Geek

(though I have work today, and that has its own horrors)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 😬

Catija

@Shog9 I'm pretty sure I've seen a request for one on cooking.

Shog9

does seem like a handy tool, eh?

Catija

It'd be nice to not need to google temperature equivalents.

Journeyman Geek

01:21

@Catija in which case it would also nice to have gas marks....

Shog9

Cursed Canadians and their Crazy C-temps

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 actually... everyone but the americans and their crazy C temps ;p

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Been there. Working for month to improve server side DB improvements for different design models, just to see my client benchmarks going totally weigh out anything. These numbers are just frustrating :-(

Catija

I think there's at least 3-4 countries still using Fahrenheit.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ I help monitor a enterprise/government application....

Shog9

01:23

@JourneymanGeek It really sucks feeling like you're the only sane people on earth sometimes

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 quite honestly? I cannot critique the americans for their customary units....

since the brits use an insane mishmash of units

Catija

> At the end of the 2010s, Fahrenheit was used as the official temperature scale only in the United States (including its unincorporated territories), its freely associated states in the Western Pacific (Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands), the Bahamas, the Cayman Islands and Liberia.

Journeyman Geek

Human weights in stones, stuff in kilos, or sometimes pounds....

Catija

(Wikipedia)

Shog9

if I can't measure it by holding my hand up to it or sticking my hand into it, it isn't really measurable

πάντα ῥεῖ

01:24

@Shog9 Is that a crayziness contest?

@JourneymanGeek At ireland they told me "Mad dogs, and englishmen" :P

Catija

@Shog9 so, not interested in the temperature of the sun?

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 you do realise then temperatures are "cool" "hot" "this is fine" and "My hand is melting like an Indiana Jones Villan"

Catija

I had a math book at one point with a way to remember Celsius: 30 is hot, 20 is pleasing. 10 is not and zero is freezing.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Fonzies seems to be the correct unit here :3

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I always get tripped up whenever I talk to my relatives in India, which uses the Celsius scale

Catija

01:28

Today I noticed that the Indiana Jones movies are on Amazon Prime.

πάντα ῥεῖ

We should officially propose that as an SI unit for coolness of course.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318272/…

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 ranks about something like 3 MegaFonzies

Catija

That'd be about as subjective as the Scoville scale.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija Well, Scoville is well defined regarding the amount of water needed for thinning.

Journeyman Geek

01:32

@πάνταῥεῖ and whoever is tasting it

Shog9

@Catija not really. Plane tickets there are too expensive.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija also 0 is the triple point of water, and 100 is the boiling point

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek That's the subjective part, well ;)

Shog9

@Catija so I was in Italy taking a tour and the guide was grousing the whole time about how cold it was. "Yesterday it was 25 and pleasant; today it's a miserable 10". Didn't have the heart to tell him it was 15F here (or about -9C)

Catija

@JourneymanGeek y'all just had to make it easy. It's much more impressive if you can remember 32 and 212.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

01:34

@Catija I'm on a plane to Austin; is it cold outside?

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Kelvin?

Catija

@Shog9 what part?

Shog9

Rome

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Fahrenheit...

Journeyman Geek

oh, that's 273 ....

@Catija right.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

01:35

@JourneymanGeek 32 degrees F = freezing, 212 degrees F = boiling point of water

Catija

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog freezing tonight.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog how does that even make sense?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Kelvin rulez!

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija Darn it, it was warm in San Diego and I didn't bother to bring a coat

Catija

@Shog9 nice. Did you stay there the whole trip?

Shog9

01:36

naw

did a bunch of touristy stuff

πάντα ῥεῖ

Zero Kelvin, really means zero.

Shog9

Lord Kelvin's recipe book: "chill until all the atoms stop moving"

πάντα ῥεῖ

Bose Einstein condensates, whatever.

Catija

@Shog9 nice. It's a good place to go.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 Full stop, yeah.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

01:39

@Shog9 I'd fly there just to get an entry in my log book

Shog9

I hate flying. But the trains there were nice

πάντα ῥεῖ

We still don't know what will happen then, a full burst out of another "big bang". That's all just white spots of the map of well known physics territory, no?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

del-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318272/…

Catija

Where all did you go? (If you want to talk about it... I never know what people like to share)

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 european trains are the best thing

other than the UK

but that's not really europe

Shog9

01:41

@Catija Rome->Venice->Florence->Rome

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija I dunno, too many thoughts, confused, whatsoever. :P

Catija

@Shog9 Sounds like a nice trio. We didn't make it to Venice when we were there.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek LOL UK trains were my worst experience ever. Notoriously late, bad schedules, and worst comfort ever seen. I'll ever prefer a rental car, even if I have to deal with that left driving shit.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ buses are not bad

back in the day I was a big fan of megabus

It was cheap and shitty, but it was cheap

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Megabus is a popular way to get to places in Texas

The buses advertise "$1 tickets" but there's a $2 booking fee

Journeyman Geek

01:46

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I don't think I ever paid 2 quid

but it was still cheap

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

From what I've heard, Megabus is a more comfortable alternative to Greyhound, which is larger but supposedly crappier

πάντα ῥεῖ

I'd ever stick driving myself. Those scratches at the car's left side are totally normal, and no serious car rental service would go to sue you about these :3

ArtOfCode

@πάνταῥεῖ yeap. It's okay if you're in first class, but you have to have stupid money to do that.

Journeyman Geek

the UK megabuses were basically the same sort of buses you would take locally - NE's the better option, and has an in bus toilet

but if you can hold it in for a few hours....

Shog9

@Catija Venice was awesome. Honestly... could've spent the entire trip there & been happy.

It's like being in a maze that serves beer

Journeyman Geek

01:48

But its been over a decade and I haven't really been able to much travelling since ;)

Catija

I've done trains in Europe (Germany, France, Italy) the U.K. and the US. I didn't have a big problem with the U.K. trains. The American trains are really hit and miss but the big problem is the infrequency. The sleeping car we had from Berlin to Munich was pretty uncomfortable.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 Did you take a gondola trip?

Shog9

I didn't

Journeyman Geek

also, it was cheaper to fly than take a train in the UK

Shog9

But a couple other members of our party did. And got engaged on said trip

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

01:49

@JourneymanGeek US Megabuses have a toilet, and they're double decker

Journeyman Geek

ah

maybe uk ones do too

Its been a decade ;p

Catija

@Shog9 that's how I felt about Cinque Terre. Rome didn't do anything for me. Florence was nice.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija capitals kinda...

are boring? ;p

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

You should all go to India

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 My girls always urged me about that. But I denied because of the braze faced tariffs. It's, it's, ... I don't know what it's really about.

Journeyman Geek

01:51

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Actually....

if a sufficient number of my plans work and the right ones don't, I might be going early next year ;p

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@πάνταῥεῖ Heh, even a gondola ride at the imitation in Las Vegas costs $100+

@Catija Indian trains are fun, though slow

Shog9

@Catija everyone kinda hated florence except me. I loved the market.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog maybe 30 euros in Venice; more if you pay someone to sing

but, wow... Some of that singing is incredible. Echoing off the buildings...

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

There's a possibility that I may head to northern England to visit cousins who live there

Journeyman Geek

Beware Birmingham.

Mainly cause it alliterates.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

North England is north of the Midlands

πάντα ῥεῖ

02:01

@Shog9 So I suspect for an U.S. american a trip to Italy is a completely different thing compared to myself. For me it's just taking a car tour starting from my home town (especially Venice is cheap, and we did several times). Also if you're experiencing another continent, that might go weird for whatever.
I appreciate you've been visiting our continent, and you probably are able to distinguish Baltic from Balkan states. You don't need to feel awkward because your president is an idiot.

Shog9

Shit, this was the first time I've stepped foot outside of the continental US. Everything was different. It was like stepping through Alice's looking-glass. Except instead of a Red Queen, there was Peroni for sale on every corner.

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek that'd be Beware Berwick for the North

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 though... continental US is huge

Shog9

yes, it is. But depressingly few places sell cheap, shitty beer on the street

Catija

@Shog9 really? I'm surprised. I went there three times over the 8 weeks I was in Italy and I always found stuff that was interesting to do.

Shog9

02:06

It's a beautiful city to be sure, but I think we were all just tired at that point

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 I suspect anglosaxon attitudes towards booze might be to blame

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I used to fly to India so often as a kid, that the flying experience became something to look forward to. But now that I fly so often between my hometown in San Diego and my college in Austin, the fun's all gone. That's why I started collecting logs from pilots

Shog9

@JourneymanGeek maybe. But I can't deny that NYC would be a 1000% better place to visit if you never had to risk sobriety there.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 heh

I can only think of two reasons I'd want to visit the NYC

and one is probably a lot less accessible than it used to be . And very touristy

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Aren't New York and Singapore so similar?

Journeyman Geek

02:09

Never been to new york

Shog9

well... is Singapore covered in a thick layer of grime, smell like a fisherman's arm pit, and charge extortive prices for booze?

Journeyman Geek

No no yes.

Shog9

only 33% NY-like then

Journeyman Geek

also in a sense, singapore is fairly varied

little india or chinatown is very different from our city core.

and I don't really think there's an equivilent for singaporean residential areas.

Even regionally, I'd suspect regional capitals are distinct from how we are KL feels very different. I've never really been to any of the others.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I'm glad Singapore Airlines started flying nonstop to LAX

and myself

02:14

Morning, and I'm ready to work ._.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

No need to stop in Tokyo or Seoul, and no need to fly the much crappier United Airlines

Quill

02:29

@ShadowWizard welcome to australia

and myself

02:40

Oh, great. Office internet is partially down...

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I'm on a slow airplane connection

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

02:56

@Catija Is it stormy there? My plane is getting very shaky

forest

03:17

@ShadowWizard Nah I don't have enough motivation to do that. It's on my todo list, but I'd have to 1) write a bot to create posts and 2) think of a way to do tests without being overly intrusive. I'm far too lazy to learn how to automate that.

Catija

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Nope. Pretty calm, just cold.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Welcome to Austin!

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

05:13

cv-pls duplicate: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318281/… (@Shadow @rene)

Shadow Wizard

07:10

@πάνταῥεῖ yup I was already asleep when you wrote that message. ;)

Magisch

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Shadow Wizard

@ArtOfCode what's "deep coffee"? wondering

@πάνταῥεῖ well, something bad happened... :(

@Quill oh, this explains a lot! :D

@forest yeah, better leave it alone. That's one the things better kept a secret.

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Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog you update your flight log?

and myself

@ShadowWizard making coffee using deep learning, I think...

Shadow Wizard

07:25

deep confusion

Let's ask Google...

umm... first Video result is NSFW.... wth... lol

They must ruin everything, even coffee!! :D

Maybe he meant this coffee??

Looks like just a big coffee.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard It's a book that I hand over to crew at the beginning of every flight I take, for them to fill in with info and give it back

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog oh, thought it's something you write.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard If you like, I can send you my templates, so you can make your own

Shadow Wizard

Nah, not my thing. And my next flight is very far in the future, at least couple of years.

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