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12:26 AM
The sky is eerily dark red and double rainbowy here.
 
 
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I accidentally answered a question correctly, go me.
 
shakes fist at Markdownmini
 
@mootinator Yatta!
@YiJiangs独角兽 survives an encounter with a lion haha!
 
Heh.
 
Was just on the CNET Buzz Out Loud
 
3:20 AM
How was that.
@jcolebrand I'm wondering whether I should delete that, actually. Heh.
 
Is it correct?
 
@mootinator Nice. Plugged the StackExchange Apple Room. Mentioned the somber mood at the keynote. Kyle Cronin had an photo of the reserved seat.
 
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A: AndroidHttpClient Expecting Response Code 302 but Receiving 200

mootinatorYou should use POST instead of GET because GET will automatically handle the redirect, but: If the 302 status code is received in response to a request other than GET or HEAD, the user agent MUST NOT automatically redirect the request unless it can be confirmed by the user, since this might ...

 
Anybody got a source on this?
 
The correct answer is sort of an afterthought.
 
3:23 AM
@jcolebrand Saw one on G+ earlier.
 
@Moshe leo
 
@Moshe :/
 
@mootinator nope, leave it
 
@mootinator Yea, that reserved seat was probably Steve's.
 
3:26 AM
too fast? August 26, 2011?
I assume those are just some new tags.
 
resort the comments
It looks like it
 
I think that's even more powerful.
It's also on the US page
 
3:41 AM
On the Canada page it just says "Steve Jobs died eh?"
 
shut up
or .. pics or it didn't happen
 
fine
Though I may have edited the DOM to get this pic.
 
lmao
 
 
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8:00 AM
@jcolebrand Genius
 
 
5 hours later…
12:51 PM
Has anyone else observed Suggested Edits being automatically approved by Community when the original question asker makes an edit to their post?
 
 
3 hours later…
3:35 PM
So... I need to get my hand on a copy of Windows 98 for my mother
Just curious if anyone has one lying somewhere in the deep recesses of some dusty attic
 
Hmm, actually...
 
I have one somewhere, but it's in German. I guess that's not useful
 
@Pekka But the language can be changed, right? Some, I don't know, language pack (did Windows even have language packs back then?)
 
I may have one, but can't check until I get home later. It may be 95, though. I honestly can't remember.
 
Found it.
 
3:43 PM
I love the internet
 
@YiJiangs独角兽 I can find one tonight.
 
Just, if you can't find one before tonight, lemme know and I'll manifest you a pristine copy of a CD and I can host it for your download pleasures.
 
Doesn't MSDN or technet still host those, or did they finally drop it.
 
They probably dropped them finally
I'm also not 100% I have the install key.
 
3:47 PM
@jcolebrand My mother said she would be looking around. I think there might still be a few copied languishing around the university, but I doubt she can find anything before tonight
 
@mootinator I thought they dropped all Win9x copies due to the whole "Java" thing.
 
Its for the software of some ridiculously old hardware their lab needs.
 
Blaaaaah
 
Looks like MSDN offers Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Win 3.2 (WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED), and then... nothing 'til XP.
 
Odd. Very odd.
 
3:50 PM
I know they pulled everything before ME when their Java license got revoked. Can't remember how ME escaped though.
 
I couldn't get in. :/
 
but apparently, even that and 2K are now gone
 
4:01 PM
@YiJiangs独角兽 Nope, not in 98
I don't think it's possible even in 7, except in Ultimate Edititon
It's a shame.
@Shog nope
(Where did your message go?)
 
@Pekka Are you perhaps replying to a message in another room?
 
@Shog ah, I see now. Makes more sense
 
@YiJiang Do you use Skype?
 
I have 7 starred messages. Are these like victory points? Does the room end when someone reaches 10?
 
Yes
 
4:11 PM
tries to be less interesting for the sake of the room.
3
 
It's ok, we've had a good run
 
Noooooooooooo!</remastered darth vader>
 
Your statement was too interesting not to star.
 
I see.
 
I guess we're just counting on you to beat the end boss whenever he shows up.
 
4:15 PM
If trends continue, you could be the Canadian Dos Equis man.
 
Reading my mind.
 
If stars in the room counted, then total messages would also count
which would mean I am the king of the tavern, I think
 
See what I did there.
 
lulz
 
Probably going to earn yourself another star for that.
3
 
4:18 PM
@RobHruska You're wrong. Like the iPhone 5 predictions.
 
Stars in the Tavern on the Meta are like downvotes on Meta. They do not mean what you think they probably mean.
4
 
A new challenger has appeared!
@jcolebrand lulz
 
Round one. Fight!
@starmarkers - Care to explain?
 
There's a lot of "Steve Jobs inspired a generation to think different." going on on Twitter. Which is odd, since his greatest accomplishment was really inspiring billions of people to buy something from a very limited catalog of products.
 
4:45 PM
If we mail something to SO-team then in how many days we get response?
 
4:55 PM
Why are we glorifying some proprietary software nut.
Did Apple ever do anything good except sue innovators into oblivion?
Apple Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corporation, 35 F.3d 1435 (9th Cir. 1994) was a copyright infringement lawsuit in which Apple Computer, Inc. (now Apple Inc.) sought to prevent Microsoft Corporation and Hewlett-Packard from using visual graphical user interface (GUI) elements that were similar to those in Apple's Lisa and Macintosh operating systems. The court ruled that, "Apple cannot get patent- protection for the idea of a graphical user interface, or the idea of a desktop metaphor [under copyright law]..." In the midst of the Apple v. Microsoft lawsuit, Xerox also sued Apple alleging ...
 
He's just this guy, yknow.
 
Corporations do things people would never do to each other.
 
@TimStone No, although I have IM accounts on both the Hotmail and Gmail email addresses
 
And I'm not anti corporation.
 
5:00 PM
All I'm saying is screw Apple and their anorexic Kim Jong-il clone that ran the show
 
@mootinator Not really. He wanted to inspire far more than he wanted to sell.
@hotveryspicy a minimum of 24 hours
 
@jcolebrand o_O
 
They've sued everyone and stepped on all potential competitors. There isn't a trick in the book to solidify a monopoly on an industry that Apple hasn't use.
 
@jcolebrand Then why didn't he inspire his legal department not to be so litigous?
 
@mootinator because he had shareholders, as Evan is alluding to
 
5:02 PM
All Jobs inspired was a massive legal team and style-hungry yuppies.
 
However, what Evan linked to and what Kevin is alluding to all occurred when Jobs wasn't at the helm anymore
So .. I'm not sure what Evan's on about atm. Except trolling. As we all acknowledge that Evan does very well
The lawsuits that started in 1994 were done when Jobs was still at Pixar and Next
 
His greatest genius was what? "Blueberry" computers, or "glossy white" as a material that demands a premium on a product that lacks at everything.
 
And 2010?
 
@mootinator what about 2010? Are you referring to the once-again shareholder-required lawsuits regarding phone tech patents?
 
I don't mean to troll.
 
5:05 PM
He even sued journalists.
 
@mootinator I know you don't, that's why I'm trying to be factual and clear in my responses
@EvanCarroll did you read b.lam's reminiscence of Steve?
 
But there's something Orwellian about the contradictory beliefs people have about this person, is all.
 
No, I didn't.
 
And the "free pass" he gets from people who hate corporations, even though he was at the helm of one no better (morally speaking) than any other, "shareholder requirements" or not.
 
I can say this though: I'm less likely to lose sleep in a world without Jobs than a world without Winehouse.
It's quite possible she was a better influence on the computer industry, just by merit of not having anything to do with it.
 
5:07 PM
If only she had gone to rehab ...
 
But she said no, no no.
 
@mootinator I believe the man was pure. I believe the corporation that he needed to have to allow him to produce the things he wanted to produce was part of a society that he wasn't quite part of, and that that corporation was the source of a large part of the ailments of our society, because it had to serve the purpose of providing for the shareholders. I think, if he had had six lives instead of just one, that he might also have gone on to reform corporations.
However, I'm still holding out for a new Jefferson to arise in our generation. I know I'm not that man, but I wish I could be.
 
I'm that man.
Do you want to help me overthrow the powerstructure here on MSO?
 
No, because Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky are visionaries.
 
No they're not.
 
5:11 PM
They'd be busy reforming the economy if they weren't tied down worrying about shareholdders.
 
They're despots.
 
</uncalledfor>
 
Lies.
I got banned for a full year, for a thread that I didn't start or take part in.
 
@EvanCarroll what I want to reform is the entire western corporate-based capitalistic society that has no pretense of anything other than the sheer exploitation of everyone that is not at the top of the power pyramid.
 
The reasoning: because the thread was evidence of my "bad influence" on the community.
 
5:13 PM
Do you know why stockbrokers on wall street get paid millions of dollars annually?
Because they're stupid enough to think that money greases all your pains away
 
@YiJiangs独角兽 I just sent you a request on Windows Live Messenger, which for some reason no longer allows me to provide a comment in the invitation to explain who I am..
 
We're too busy talking about Jobs's detriment on society.
 
At any rate. Part of the reasons corporations get away with what they get away with is the absolute refusal to hold anyone responsible for what they do.
 
@hotveryspicy There's no set timeframe. Historically, response time has generally depended on two things: the topic you're writing about (security exploit: fast; ban removal: slow) and the tone/word choice you write with (proper grammar and calm demeanor: fast; poor spelling and insulting language: slow).
 
We all agree he was a nuisance. Even Google agrees -- notice he doesn't have a doodle: not an coincidence either. Probably wasn't a good idea to sue Nexus One guys.
 
5:20 PM
@hotveryspicy Unnecessary but hilarious example of a special case:
146
Q: About your f***ing website

Jeff AtwoodPresented for your enjoyment-slash-amusement. Email received by team@stackoverflow.com from Name Jesus Christ Almighty, what a f***ing mess of a website. I'm trying to post a question. Just the one, you know, f***ing question. So I sign up for an ID and I'm sent an email that doesn't real...

 
@TimStone I didn't get the invite, so I thought something might be up with Pidgin. Turns out Ubuntu doesn't update Pidgin in its main repo. The version I have now is 6 months old. Hang on while I update...
@TimStone Say, can you try inviting me again? Or use GTalk
 
5:37 PM
@YiJiangs独角兽 Hm, it won't let me invite you again. So, which account do you for GTalk?
 
Either would be fine I think. I associated both with the Google account, and can use both email addresses to log into Gmail (which is quite amusing, actually)
 
Heh, alright :P
 
omg, what a whirlwind phone call
ok, food
 
:\/
 
6:12 PM
Okay, I meant to post that in the sandbox, then realized I was in the wrong place and deleted it, and then realized that the sandbox was frozen two days ago.
 
@PopularDemand I blame Mrozek for deleting his last message.
 
...now that I said that, it feels kind of silly to ask for an unfreeze, so... carry on, I suppose.
@TimStone For some reason I just envisioned an Onion -style infographic titled "What are we blaming Michael Mrozek for today?"
 
Heh :P
 
@PopularDemand My imagination can only see that stupid paywall.
 
The Onion put up a paywall? Man, I haven't been there in a while. When did that happen?
 
6:21 PM
It's only for people outside the US.
 
The Onion hired Pat Buchanan as CEO? Man, I haven't been there in a while. When did that happen?
 
Yay. Scope Creep averted.
 
Nothing jQuery can't handle, but still.
I think it counts every time you view the stupid paywall toward your '5 free' allowance, because I haven't seen a page on that site in months.
 
I think we need an Occupy StackExchange
Where the 99% can rally against the disgusting despotism of the 1%.
 
6:31 PM
I think we need an occupy Starbucks. Where the 1% can take up all the seats so when the 99% are done on Wall St. they'll be frustrated because they don't have anywhere to work on their iBooks.
 
7:05 PM
Ha, 1% of people couldn't even occupy the amount Starbucks in Houston. Newb.
 
7:16 PM
@mootinator I love the article that that paywall is hiding.
Weirdly, I'm not getting it from Germany, though.
Which is a nice touch - so they serve the content to those countries that can't pay for it.
I'm happy to forward it if necessary (edit - that's unnecessary of course, seeing as the entire text is behind the dialog. I didn't think.)
 
Hi! Can someone tell me what happens to after they're asked and become inactive? Do SE employees go through these?
(I asked for meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/107440/… which hasn't got any attention from employees yet, and I think the request is good)
 
@EvanCarroll O_o.
 
7:45 PM
? I AM EVAN CARROLL.
 
NO I AM EVAN CARROLL
 
> Hi! Can someone tell me what happens to feature-request after they're asked and become inactive?
How shall I put this?....
They go to a very long, peaceful sleep under a thick cover of snow.
 
@Pekka Magical place.
 
@Shog9 yes, that's nice as well
Unless trapper Jeff happens by and digs them up again. That happens, albeit very rarely.
 
@Shog9 Ok, so I'm a Christian and I believe in Heaven. So I'll expect to see my again eventually.
 
7:48 PM
@dancek yeah, but only after you follow it to heaven! That is kind of a long wait
I believe in reincarnation (I really do). I expect some requests to come back before I kick the bucket.
Although sometimes maybe in a different form.
 
@dancek Theoretically, yes. There's even a tab on the MSO front page that allows for easy access to uncompleted requests: meta.stackoverflow.com/?tab=requests
 
Shog9 YOU ARE NOTHING
 
That tab filters declined requests, though. Grumble grumble
 
@Pekka btw is that a Finnish name? 'cause I'm Finnish and I didn't know foreigners with the name Pekka before
 
Shog9 has a pekka.
 
7:52 PM
@dancek Yes, it's a finnish name. I'm half finnish, half German
 
(By the way, @dancek, if your goal was to get someone to click through to your profile and look at your feature requests, well done, you have succeeded. Sadly for you, I am not on The Team.)
 
@Pekka ooh, interesting :)
@PopularDemand I actually linked to the request I'm particularly interested about, too :)
 
@dancek I don't have much connection to the mother country though! :) Except for Rölli and Aku Ankka. I still speak the language thanks to those two.
And a love for Karjalanpiirakka and various other parts of the finnish cuisine, of course!
 
@Pekka don't we all!
 
@dancek Yeah! :) Where are you from?
(If I may ask)
 
7:55 PM
@Pekka the capital area, i.e. ~Helsinki
 
@dancek right, nice! I was born there, so Helsinki is the city I have the closest connection to.
 
@Pekka it's a very nice city in the summertime... in the wintertime it's much better outside Helsinki IMO
 
@dancek Interesting. Why?
Too much dirty snow?
 
@Pekka yeah, the pollution from cars makes the snow all dirty and slushy
I really like snow, but only when it's clean :)
 
@dancek yeah, I can imagine! (It's been a long time since the last decent winter in Germany so I can only imagine actually :)
@dancek yeah, me too! We used to go to the Oulu and Rovaniemi areas for the christmas holidays every year when I was little, most of my relatives live there. That was snow!
 
8:01 PM
@Pekka yeah! Actually the last two winters have been exceptionally good, so even near Helsinki we've had as much snow as in Rovaniemi ordinarily... (of course that's not good for everyone, but that's another story)
 
@dancek Nice! Once my project to emigrate to the US has worked out (I hope next year) and I'm settled there, I need to come to Finland for holidays. It's been more than six years now!
 
@Pekka oh, I would miss Finland so if I ever moved away :) though living here I often don't think of it that way
I mean, just having to live without having proper rye bread every day would feel just wrong!
 
@dancek yeah!
It's definitely a great place to live. Lots of space, comparably little pollution.....
(Let's ignore the nuclear plants for a moment. They want to build ANOTHER one!
Good food....
A bit of a scary neighbour but that should be ok.
 
@Pekka ok, let's ignore it but I already can tell YOU'RE WRONG!
 
@dancek but why, oh why! 4 million people don't need six plants, do they?
 
8:07 PM
@Pekka yeah, and you've lived here when it still was the Soviet Republic... that was a bit different than nowadays.
 
@dancek yeah. I really hope they get their act together and prosper!
 
@Pekka we're currently importing electricity from Russia afaik (and it's near 5.5 million)
@dancek I should check on that though, it's a strange thing I don't know better
 
@dancek well, okay... It's better to have it produced in a finnish reactor than an old russian one, I guess. But still! Look at Germany, it's in the process of leaving nuclear energy completely, and it's a big-ass industrial nation with 80 million inhabitatns. (Although there's a lot of unanswered questions there so we will have to see how that works out.)
@dancek ah, then I have old numbers
Indeed. 5.4 million
 
@Pekka I just don't know what energy form is better than nuclear. Ok, solar, but that's not an option on 60-70˚N.
 
@dancek yeah, that is the problem. In the end, there would have to be a massive reduction in consumption. That is going to be the result of the German exit plans as well. And I can't see the western civilization cutting its energy consumption to be honest.
But the shit that we're generating in the nuclear plants is going to be a huge and mortally dangerous liability for dozens of generations to come. We can't do that really. That is worse than accumulating a lot of debt
And nobody knows how to store it long-term.
 
8:19 PM
@Pekka the current progress towards long-term storage seems quite good to me: fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_(tutkimustila)
(in Finnish only, sorry)
 
@dancek mmm well, there has been leakage and temperature rises in German storage locations that wasn't supposed to happen - according to what the latest science said in the 90s
I say it's not right. I can't see an alternative to it but it's still not right to leave this stuff behind
The risk of catastrophe is something that a society can agree on taking (like we accept a certain number of traffic accidents etc.), but the people who will carry that burden haven't been born yet. That, to me, is the one big argument against
Still, if given the choice between a western reactor and a RBMK, I guess I'll opt for the former.
 
@Pekka I see your point. I can't argue with that.
 
@dancek and I see yours - where is that energy going to come from? It's really a dilemma.
 
There are so many things wrong with the world it's hard to believe. I really take the energy issue in a very practical way without caring much about the consequences after 1000 years. I hate to admit that.
 
Anyway, I have to run. Good night @dancek, was nice talking to you!
 
8:26 PM
@Pekka good night, bye!
 
2 hours ago, by Popular Demand
@TimStone For some reason I just envisioned an Onion -style infographic titled "What are we blaming Michael Mrozek for today?"
this is needed
I presume the last three hours of conversation was about Finland?
 
Rob
Any moderators here?
I keep getting notifications for some other Rob on SO. And of course I can't ask about it on meta, because some shitty automatic question ban has kicked in.
 
Three things wrong there
1) This is certainly the place to look for help, but you don't per-se need a mod for help
2) the "shitty automatic question ban" has a purpose, and has only been implemented after years of consideration and tweaking and discussion
3) where and how do you get these notifications? Out of the random blue yonder? On questions where other rob's are present?
 
Rob
In SO chat-rooms where I am not present, and someone uses '@Rob'
 
How are you not present? Were you recently active in the room and then left?
 
Rob
8:39 PM
I was in PHP several days ago, and I have been getting notifications on and off since
 
I'm trying to understand the situation, and you can see I've used five sentences to your two
If you would do the developer thing and give us a user-story so that we can follow what's going on, we would be most delighted to help
 
Rob
Story: Chat-room notifications resulting from '@Username' should not appear in StackExchange notification bar at top left when user is not in chat.
 
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Q: Getting Marc's chat notifications

marcogUnfortunately, the first name of a popular individual here is also a prefix of my username. As a result, I get his chat notifications whenever someone refers to him by just his first name. Is there a way to improve this? Besides my initial proposal that he find a new name. :) Perhaps take into a...

 
@Rob that's not a story
this is a story:
So I go into the PHP chatroom when I'm bored, and hang out there and talk with the guys. Sometimes a Robert or a RobRonJenkins or a RobRoy come in, and everybody gets lazy and calls them @Rob, same as me. Well, when I don't go in there for a few days, I still get notifications when they address those other guys. It even happens when I haven't been in the room for like a week.
Also, I would like to introduce you to @MichaelK, @MichaelPetrotta, @MichaelMrozek, @MichaelMyers and I'm sure there's a couple more mods called @Michael ... who all get pinged if we only do @Michael (which we sometimes do to be annoying)
 
Rob
@jcolebrand Thanks for your advice. Although, I would argue 3 questions is far too small a sample size to activate a question ban -- a little more consideration and tweaking is necessary, I think.
 
8:47 PM
It's odd that the ban would kick in after you posted an upvoted question, not after either of the downvoted ones. Maybe there's a three-question minimum.
 
Rob
@Shog9 Thanks for the link, that clears things up.
 
@Rob np
 
Rob
I did put effort into those questions... although my first question I forgot to check for duplicates, and the second I don't consider to be an exact duplicate... so I was kind of offended to find I have a question ban.
 
@Rob oh I agree that 3 questions is odd, that's why I alerted a couple mods ;)
 
Rob
@jcolebrand Thanks, it's much appreciated.
 
8:50 PM
@Rob fwiw I'm a little offended you have a question ban with only 3 Q :p
 
Rob
:)
 
Also, I can offer a touch of suggestion on the name.
But you won't care for it.
 
Rob
Hmm, I probably won't mind -- just change the name?
 
Do what @MichaelMyers here did when get annoyed with all the repeated pings. Change the name (he went to mmyers)
 
Rob
Haha, thought so. I probably will do that.
 
8:51 PM
It's not so bad when you're just a user
wait until you're a mod that's helping deal with cross-site issues and other mods are toying with you by the handful and hitting one of you but doing it to alert all of you :p
hehehe, one can only hope @mmyers isn't still here ;)
 
Rob
lol
 
I started as mmyers.
 
We mods generally all hang out in one room (it helps to concentrate the firepower) and we're usually in there daily, so the rule about "pings you if you were there in the last xx hours" pretty much stays active for all the mods in that room :p
@mmyers I know, but then you were Michael for a while. I never understood why you were. Either that or I have really got to lay off the caffiene.
 
It was the end of October. Not sure if there was any real reason other than that.
And real names are probably better on SO itself anyway.
 
@mmyers you're full of crap, mmyers
 
8:57 PM
Yeah, but you're not a diamond; you're just an employee.
 
@mmyers Is that like saying 1 isn't a positive number, just a whole number?
 
@jcolebrand I'm saying he got his position through monetary considerations.
 
Like the folks that get to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom without actually being elected President
(but not very much)
 
@Shog9 wait, you mean I don't have to get elected? This changes everything!
 
9:42 PM
Quick question:
I just got 100 random rep on StackOverflow for no apparent reason. It's not showing up in my rep history, so I have no idea what happened.
Clues, anyone?
 
So I'm told once you have +200 on one site and two or more linked accounts, every account gets +100
And right now you're at +180, but I'm willing to bet that somewhere you answered and then something got deleted, so that would've put you over 200 at the time
 
Oooh, ok. That explains it.
I thought the extra 100 rep was just for the new account.
not the original
Thanks much! =)
 
I always thought so too, but I'm told I'm wrong there
it's been soo long since I started out fresh tho ...
 
lol yeah
That's a pretty crazy incentive to get involved (or at least sign up) to other sites on the network
(at least for your first new site)
 
well, considering StackOverflow for itself is one of the top 200 most visited sites on the internet today, idk
 
9:49 PM
lol yeah
thanks again
 
Cheers
 

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