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Stephen Rauch

12:44 AM

So I flagged a post as rude or abusive yesterday and it was rejected. I don't remember the flag, and as the post has been deleted I cannot look at it to see how I missed the mark. Can a 10K+ take a quick look and let me know if I just have no idea what I am doing or I was close but not quite? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313649/…

Journeyman Geek

12:58 AM

@StephenRauch someone probably deemed that the spam flag penalty was too much, and it was a user unaware of the awesome work Peter does

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Out of curiosity, as an employee, do you have access to dev.stackoverflow.com?

Stephen Rauch

1:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek Thanks, I remember it now. I am 0 for 2 on that flag on MSE. While I am 72 out of 75 on the 6 sites where I have more rep than MSE. I guess there is a higher bar here. Oddly enough 1/2 of my ROA flags are from SuperUser.

Journeyman Geek

2:16 AM

SU kinda gets some odd stuff

Catija

2:35 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog To be honest, I didn't even realize that the text had changed yet... I can't actually make the changes, only talk about them.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1

Q: "No longer needed" flags still continue to show up as "not relevant" in my flag history, even after the name change was reverted

Today, the change that modified the name of the "no longer needed" comment flag to "not relevant" was reverted. When flagging a comment, the option now shows as "no longer needed". However, after submitting the flag, I checked my flag history, and that flag still shows as "not relevant". Can thi...

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Yes.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I saw it.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Thought you were responding to my comment.

(which lacked a link)

Catija

I was. I still saw the question.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija I believe I asked you about this before, but you didn't respond: can you migrate questions older than 60 days using the normal GUI as one with the staff bit, or does doing so involve having to tinker with the database?

Catija

2:39 AM

I don't know. I haven't tried and I haven't had time to look into it.

Somewhat Memorable Name

2:57 AM

Morneng

Journeyman Geek

3:32 AM

hihi

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

4:02 AM

@YvetteColomb Looks like I've surpassed you in rep :)

Journeyman Geek

4:18 AM

heh, something funny happened on my site meta...

meta.superuser.com/questions/13231/… user suggests the flag was handled by a mod who had a late night and was bleary eyed...

the flag was handled by me, after a night shift ;p

Feeds

5:04 AM

Get to Know Our New Code of Conduct

Tim Post on August 07, 2018

Thanks to some amazing efforts and collaboration between our veteran users and quite a few new faces that jumped in to help us with our inclusion efforts, our brand new Code of Conduct (CoC) is rolling off the press and going into effect across the network today. For those of you that haven’t been following along with announcements we’ve been making on our Meta site, we’re replacing our current ‘Be nice’ policy with a formal, far less ambiguous and way more informative Code of Conduct.

As far as our rules go, nothing really changes: we’re just clarifying that we don’t have space for belittling …

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:48 AM

> Admittedly - I did have a late night, and was bleary eyed. How did you guess? If I felt I was too zonked out to process flags, I wouldn't - I had reasons.

Magisch

6:00 AM

→ 13 messages moved to Chimney

Morning

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Magisch You mean half an hour ago?

Magisch

I was browsing earlier but didn't write

yea

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Magisch err...

0

Q: https://stackoverflow.com/conduct displays 404 - Linked in the blog

The code of conduct announcement blog just went out, yet the link to the code of conduct page in it yields a 404 - page not found. Seems like a bug. https://stackoverflow.com/conduct This is on latest version of google chrome / windows 8.1

bug code-of-conduct

Magisch

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog in chat

I saw the Blog link ~5 minutes before heading out to my commute. I didn't write anything in chat at that time

I wrote that question just before heading out but got beat by 30s by someone else

Nog Shine

6:32 AM

Are anyone having a problem in achievement icon? Earned rep is not shown in it.

Magisch

"This comment was edited 1 time" sounds bad somehow

"This comment was edited once" would be better

Nog Shine

@Magisch I didn't notice that change but "once is better"

Magisch

Now is that change worth making a meta about

Nog Shine

Yes, it is. When a capital letter and oxford commas are worth it, this is definitely worth a meta. ;)

btw, are anyone having the above bug? ^^

Magisch

@NogShine just checked, norepro on latest firefox / win10

Nog Shine

6:43 AM

Check again.

TheLittleNaruto

Page Not Found Error: stackoverflow.com/conduct

Nog Shine

9

Q: Link to code of conduct broken?

The recent blog post "Get to Know Our New Code of Conduct" contains a link to the new code of conduct, https://stackoverflow.com/conduct. As of 2018-08-07T05:27:38+00, that link returns a 404. Also, I cannot find any other link to the conduct yet, neither in the help center, nor in the site navi...

bug blog code-of-conduct

reported

TheLittleNaruto

Ok upvoted!

user310756

7:03 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I didn't know we were competing. I don't worry about my rep on meta. I've given away 1000s in bountys

Nog Shine

@Magisch Ok I think I should ask it on site. badges are shown but reputation change is not.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:38 AM

@YvetteColomb I tend to make matter-of-fact statements from time to time. Don't infer things from them. Just a tip.

Journeyman Geek

8:06 AM

@NogShine apparently not just you. Meta it plz

Orrr not cause it has been already

Looks like a dev had a bad day

Nog Shine

8:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek Someone was quicker than me. I was busy in something else. :)

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Btw can repro now

the +10 I got this morning on MSE didn't show up

Nog Shine

8:59 AM

Search bar is the best way for finding dupes. It worked for 4 times in 2 days when I was about to post a bug.

Somewhat Memorable Name

10:33 AM

Aug 1 at 16:06, by Somewhat Memorable Name

404 CoC Not Found

Journeyman Geek

heh

John Dvorak

11:09 AM

Doesn't mean y'all can act like a herd of raging bulls though

Bart

11:31 AM

Hiya, raging bull here, get out of my way pls

Magisch

Hey @Bart

Haven't seen you in here in forever

Bart

o/

I was on a well-deserved break inbetween jobs after a year of structural overtime

Magisch

glad to hear you're doing better

Bart

It is freaking weird to me at the moment to start at 9am and leave the office at 6pm. I have time in my day left :D

Magisch

I start at 8.00 and leave at 4.30

And that even feels suffocating some days

John Dvorak

11:35 AM

both AM? Please accept my condolences.

Magisch

am -> pm

John Dvorak

As for suffocating, it might also be in part due to the weather.

Magisch

I have like 4 productive dev hours in me a day

Bart

The yellow fireball in he sky is by now my nemesis

Magisch

I get everything done on time but it feels like I'm goofing off 1/2 of my day

John Dvorak

11:37 AM

It's called "system processes".

Shadow Wizard

3:11 PM

@Fabby lol no reference, I just counted how many times the word "tit" appeared on the page. ;)

Nog Shine

There was some discussion about avoiding "see this" type links in questions and answers. I can't find it now.

Shadow Wizard

@Bart congrats! So what's your new job?

canon

@ShadowWizard Does he work for big oil/coal? It seems like he's suddenly against solar. :P

Bart

3:28 PM

@ShadowWizard Senior R&D Engineer at www.artanim.ch. Mix between Senior Researcher and Senior Software Developer.

Worked for them before.

@canon my hate for solar is purely due to the involuntary release of liquid it causes as well as general overheating.

John Dvorak

damn, now I'm afraid that I'll pee myself the next time I go tanning

although on second thought, sweat is a better fit...

Bart

Pee, sweat, with the current heatwaves I can't tell the difference anyway

John Dvorak

the former only comes from one place :P

Bart

It's not about the source, it's about the destination ...

#inspirationalurinationquotes

John Dvorak

A bigger concern is the former is discreet but the latter is discrete.

Bart

3:34 PM

:D

Something Bad Happened

4:41 PM

Vote to instaban

-11

Q: How to process a file >1 GB or >10 GB in VB.NET

I am making an Encryption library in VB.NET and I need to be able to get all the data of a file at once in order to encrypt it. I am using AES Encryption, if it helps to know. And I am comfortable with C# as well, so any help would be welcome. Now I am using: Public Shared Sub CryptoRansomware...

vb.net encryption memory-management out-of-memory

Asking for help on writing ransomware on Stack Overflow. https://stackoverflow.com/q/51729758/492405

Tweeted by vcsjones on August 7, 2018 at 2:57 PM

Andy

4:55 PM

eh?

Something Bad Happened

never mind I'm taking it to meta

Somewhat Memorable Name

Extra! Extra! Voting phase on Maths' Election! 5 for 2!

Andy

Thanks @SomethingBadHappened Good place to take it :)

Somewhat Memorable Name

5:14 PM

Due to muscle memory, I almost misflagged a comment with the 2nd option...

😲

... looks like the new CoC just live now?

Nog Shine

Yup

Somewhat Memorable Name

and someone probably need to remove the featured "2nd draft of CoC" MSE post since it's already final...

Nog Shine

removed already by Joe Friend

Somewhat Memorable Name

ah, caching.... it's always caching...

Nog Shine

Ooh. there's a message on the top too.

Something Bad Happened

5:24 PM

I have learned well the lesson of the past year.

If you want something changed, you need people angry on Twitter about it.

ciao

Somewhat Memorable Name

Well, I'm wondering who'll be the first user to 1) flag "unwelcome" comment, and 2) get the "warning"

Nog Shine

3) Give the warning too

Sometimes mods are not aware of this or passive about these things

Somewhat Memorable Name

hmm... since there's no(t yet) announcement for the new CoC, apparently it went calmly? I just checked some of the active SO chat rooms and no one mentions about it :)

3 4 feedbacks on MSE though...

Nog Shine

and all of them are from mods.

Thanks @Glorfindel. Btw why do you always target me :) — Wais Kamal 2 mins ago

lol

put a Thanks before the comment and a smile emoticon after the comment. It's not rude enough. Understanding from code of conduct. ;)

Somewhat Memorable Name

5:44 PM

May 4 at 18:47, by hey

@canon like this? "Welcome to Stack Overflow. Your question sux 😄"

Nog Shine

hehe.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 If we're going to allow new users to flag comments on their own posts, can we at least fix this bug?

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog probably, but... I kinda think that's less than useful for comment flags

Critically... it doesn't show you or link to the comment(s) that you flagged. Just the post. It's often confusing even for experienced users.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

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Q: Link comment flags in the flag history page to the flagged comment, if it still exists

Note: This is not the same as Make comment flags link to the comment, which is about the moderator tool. I am talking about the flag history page that is accessible through the user profile at https://example.stackexchange.com.invalid/users/flag-summary/USERID. I tend to have a pretty good hit r...

feature-request declined-flags comment-flags flag-history

Can we please implement that feature too?

canon

6:02 PM

"No subtle put-downs or unfriendly language." le sigh

Somewhat Memorable Name

I just wasted my 2-comment limit on an MSO post...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SomewhatMemorableName There is?

Somewhat Memorable Name

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yes

props if you can understand the flow of the comment thread

Nog Shine

6:24 PM

I don't know what is "Invariance and Covariance" from New CoC . I am thinking of posting a question on Physics, Stats or English but they might come up with the same comment which I don't understand. :|

Shog9

91

Q: Covariance, Invariance and Contravariance explained in plain English?

Today, I read some articles about Covariance, Contravariance (and Invariance) in Java. I read the English and German wikipedia article, and some other blog posts and articles from IBM. But I'm still a little bit confused on what these exactly are about? Some say it's about relationship between t...

java

Somewhat Memorable Name

Looks like I found a user who just flagged a comment as unwelcoming :(

Kevin B

?

Somewhat Memorable Name

Just wasting my time...

1 hour ago, by Somewhat Memorable Name

Well, I'm wondering who'll be the first user to 1) flag "unwelcome" comment, and 2) get the "warning"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SomewhatMemorableName That was me; I was testing out the flag option so I could report a bug with it.

The message stating that your IP has been limited because of "too many requests" is unwelcoming in a sense

Nog Shine

6:32 PM

Unfriendly and Unkind is going to get a lot of flags. Given that new users are able to flag now, mods might get unnecessary flags irrespective of the tone and content in the comment.

Somewhat Memorable Name

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog actually, I don't think I'm referring you... I'm browsing on MSO currently

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@NogShine Which means the sites need more mods

Somewhat Memorable Name

but maybe you're the first user who did the flagging, so.. ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

sigh [turns on VPN again]

[endures slow connection]

Nog Shine

@Shog9 So, it is about Java. Invariance and Covariance is also present in Physics, Stats too. How can a user on physics thing it is related to Java?

Shog9

6:35 PM

@NogShine not really about java, more about types

Nog Shine

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog or more clarity on what is unwelcoming.

Shog9

the Java bit is mostly about how shitty Java's generics are at handling these relationships

Nog Shine

@Shog9 It has nothing to do with physics?

Somewhat Memorable Name

Looks like Stats to me, but not really Physics

Nog Shine

10

Q: Invariance, covariance and symmetry

Though often heard, often read, often felt being overused, I wonder what are the precise definitions of invariance and covariance. Could you please give me an example from quantum field theory?

quantum-field-theory symmetry tensor-calculus covariance invariants

82

Q: What is covariance in plain language?

What is covariance in plain language and how is it linked to the terms dependence, correlation and variance-covariance structure with respect to repeated-measures designs?

correlation repeated-measures terminology covariance independence

canon

6:47 PM

nevermind

Somewhat Memorable Name

ugh, too quantum for me... 😣

Nog Shine

What invariance and covariance will the users from these three sites (SO, Physics, stats) take? What was intended?

Should I ask it on site @Shog9 ?

Shog9

does it matter?

Nog Shine

Well, understanding the CoC better.. which term should be taken while using welcoming language? Using Invariance and Covariance on sites which have nothing to do with these terms (like movies, SFF, religious).. is it needed?

That sentence looks complicated to me.

canon

@NogShine would you feel better if it referenced widgets and whatnots? Foos and bars? Lorems and ipsums? :P

Somewhat Memorable Name

6:57 PM

oh great, the first drama after the new CoC

Nog Shine

lol

@canon Terms which are common and not specific to a topic are fine to me.

canon

@NogShine Apples and oranges it is, then... at least for horticulture.se, cooking.se, fruit.se, etc.

Martin James

@NogShine All the 'friendly' examples are much longer than the 'unfriendly' ones, ie. 'it is recommended that you spend more time on bad questions:' (

Kevin B

i mean... just act like nothing changed.

you'll be informed if there's a problem

John Dvorak

*as soon as

canon

7:06 PM

shields up; pew pew

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313771/…

Kevin B

7:22 PM

wha

Somewhat Memorable Name

Is it really a rename?

Kevin B

how is it related to not constructive

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Never mind, was looking wrong

canon

about as related as "not relevant" and "no longer needed"...

Fabby

7:51 PM

@ShadowWizard I guessed as much, but at least I made you smile...

I made one person happier on this planet!

Shadow Wizard

8:45 PM

@Fabby :D

@canon lol

@Bart very senior! But.... what you actually do there?

@Bart weird, usually when it's really hot one pee less since the body is using all the water for sweat. :P

Unless.. you sit all day inside air conditioned room...

Fabby

9:00 PM

@Bart And the amount of coal it takes to make a solar panel from sand...

Jenna Sloan

Are the profile pictures from imgur not loading properly for anybody else?

Shadow Wizard

@JennaSloan loading fine for me

Catija

@ShadowWizard Have you refreshed chat? If they're already loaded, they're fine... if you refresh, they die... for me, anyway.

Jenna Sloan

It looks like it's infinitely redirecting the page

Oh, it looks like it's fixed now.

Well it was

Catija

9:17 PM

:(

Tim

@JennaSloan meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313779/…

i.stack.imgur appears to be redirecting infinitely, as you said. I've also contacted alan, via the email address listed at i.stack.imgur.com, although I expect he has more important tasks than this to be honest!

Hopefully someone from Stack will get through to imgur asap

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

10:54 PM

Someone please cast the final close vote on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313775/…. Unfortunately, the target also has four circular close votes, so anyone casting a dupe vote would invalidate the votes.

user334271

Saw the new codes of conduct.

user334271

I have autism spectrum and I fail to comprehend such "norms" hidden in example. Eg. current example says “Are you speaking English? If so, I can’t tell.” It is a simple and direct statement, and I fail to figure out why it is offensive.

user334271

It is ridiculous to expect such teleological and figurative sugarcoating from autism-spectrum. suppose if I wrote "I can't answer this part of your question because I don't understand the quantum mechanics"... I have to face punishment!

user334271

The code of conduct is not inclusive.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

11:13 PM

@AlwaysConfused Fellow autism spectrum person here. I've always, for a long time, since even before the very first push towards inclusivity, believed that the community should be inclusive to everyone. Before I get any further: do you tend to have a good theory of mind towards others in general?

In other words, can you infer how others are feeling easily, or is that difficult for you?

Journeyman Geek

11:34 PM

@AlwaysConfused well - if op is writing something that looks mainly lik English.... It is the wrong thing to ask

If it's clearly french or Esperanto... You probably don't need to ask either

There's no situation where you need to ask someone if they are speaking English on SE ever

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313796/…

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