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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:03 AM

@Taryn When did you change your role from CM to DBA?

Mid November 2017

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Somewhat Memorable Name

1:52 AM

mewning

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4:01 AM

But we don't need to worry about the boiling masses sandwiching the thin layer in which we live, since we're so fragile and short-lived that it's unlikely to kill us before something else does! Wait, why doesn't that sound reassuring?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SmokeDetector fp-

Somewhat Memorable Name

@Feeds fp-

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SmokeDetector fp-

@SomewhatMemorableName What?

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Journeyman Geek

4:33 AM

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5:12 AM

@JennaSloan of course

Journeyman Geek

5:54 AM

That's vaguely an edge case IMO

the question itself though...

1 hour later…

7:00 AM

@AdamLear I think it may be due to remaining of email verification. I pointed out that user about verifying email from profile and now his fellowship is being considered :)

So, one can follow and ask example question without verifying mail but his membership will not be considered without verification, right?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:27 AM

cv-pls one-more-close-vote-needed meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311048/…

Journeyman Geek

alas. I have only one closevote to give.

on the other hand...

casts delete

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SmokeDetector naa-

Journeyman Geek

7:51 AM

@ShadowWizard done the needful ;)

Somewhat Memorable Name

@ShadowWizard nuked the needful ;)

@ShadowWizard burned the needful ;)

@Mgetz I seem to remember that for a short period the alternate "firepony" icon was actually built in in the official Firefox download package.

8:12 AM

@Derpy this one?

8:36 AM

don't really remind which one was supposed to be the "official" one, but I do remember some discussion on the Mozilla forums about choosing an official one.

could also be that I am miss-remembering some details.

3 hours later…

11:42 AM

Almost a roll back

12:07 PM

> The page you linked -- nowhere does it say that new features have to be helpful. Some can be just for fun, too.

lol. The page is "What is meta"

Somewhat Memorable Name

12:23 PM

How to pick a different identicon? Generate it using any generator, then upload the generated identicon as profile picture. As easy as eating pie!

Yup. But they won't do it.

Somewhat Memorable Name

apparently it's very easy to find the generator... e.g. jdenticon.com

I found one online and uploaded it for a brief period.

Somewhat Memorable Name

oh never mind, just read OP's comment... okay, nothing can help except a downvote...

speaking of avatar and icons, JNat avatar is still the only animated one in the room

12:34 PM

His avatar is a gif.

His avatar is a spinning Megaman sprite.

Thanks for the detailed description.

12:49 PM

Ranom Idea of the Day:

Someone should do a Git themed remake of Parappa the Rapper level 1 song - Chop Chop Master Onion

ranom idea is ranom

Somewhat Memorable Name

1:14 PM

Did you mean: Ransom Idea of the Day

1 hour later…

2:34 PM

𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖘 𝖎𝖘 𝖎𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖊𝖉 𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖊𝖘𝖙𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖉𝖎𝖘𝖈𝖔𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞. 𝖂𝖔𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝖎𝖋 𝕴 𝖈𝖔𝖚𝖑𝖉 𝖌𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖘𝖊-𝖒𝖔𝖓𝖐𝖊𝖞 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖘 𝖘𝖔 𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝖆𝖓𝖞 𝖒𝖊𝖘𝖘𝖆𝖌𝖊 𝕴 𝖕𝖔𝖘𝖙 𝖑𝖔𝖔𝖐𝖘 𝖑𝖎𝖐𝖊 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖘...

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@Derpy I didn't think that was in unicode...

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3:23 PM

sd tpu-

Journeyman Geek

3:50 PM

@Derpy we will hate you

That totally hurts my poor dyslexic brain

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

notevenmad.gif

@Derpy what is that sorcery?

and most importantly, how do I achieve it?

Looks like exactly the right font to use on ITLAPD.

𝖎𝖓𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖊𝖘𝖙𝖎𝖓𝖌...

4:33 PM

𝖊𝖆𝖘𝖞....

Journeyman Geek

ITLAPD?

International Talk Like a Pirate Day... Also known as September 19th.

Journeyman Geek

ah

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You probably meant 𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖗...

5:03 PM

@Catija fun fact, they aren't using a font. If they were that would be an XSS exploit andy would have to fix

What if I refuse?

In related news...did I get a job that I wasn't expecting?

Maybe @Mgetz meant Adam?

But...SE job...

Have you applied?

@Catija probably

Shog has better whiskey to deal with

5:08 PM

Adam has cats.

I have multiple SE rejection emails. They've gotten more template-y in the last couple years though.

:(

I've honestly never applied to SE, I assumed they had a high enough applicant volume that I'd immediately get filtered out

I've only tried once.

@Andy we have actual HR staff now

5:20 PM

@Shog9 You guys are growing so fast. sniff

Sexual harassment panda?

that was... the old "HR" staff

Is recruitment the same as HR?

I donno. Probably not.

we don't actually call HR HR either

The "people team"?

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5:23 PM

@canon A vinyl I own: youtube.com/watch?v=v28kTwoDK-g

Yep. "People Operations"

I'm not 100% on how that breaks down into, like, internal support vs. external

People Operations sounds like they run the sock-puppets ...

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Well, spying a bit, probably helps them a bit. Sounds legit and reasonable, no?

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:23 PM

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/35292/deleting-questions (@Shadow @rene) (the status-completed tag was added by a then-SO mod to indicate that the question had been deleted, but it's really a support request that is a duplicate now)

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/252940/… (@Shadow @rene) (the top answer on this question is wrong, per the FAQ)

6:41 PM

done

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:17 PM

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311070/… (@rene)

@Shog9 Meat Management™

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@AdamLear Any update on this bug? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310019/…

I'm pretty sure the Joe Friend isn't a real person.

It's a community-pandering propaganda bot.

:P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:32 PM

@canon What makes you think that of @JoeFriend?

@canon I'm offended. I'm very real.

it would make a lot of sense to create a communal sock puppet for SE

;)

"Joe Friend" does sort of sound like "your friend" depending on how you say it... so...

to serve as a community meat shield for the company

which could be replaced as necessary

7:33 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog nope, haven't had a chance to look into it

plus

"Joe Friend"

Come on... :P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

May 9 at 4:37, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Your Friend, Joe, is here

Ha, I just finished an presentation telling all the product managers that they and their product teams need to engage with the community just like TeamDAG is.

I gotta say... has anyone ever seen Community and Joe in the same room together? :thinking_emoji:

So, more bots coming, I guess.

7:34 PM

:not_sure_if_joking_meme_emoji:

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Community will be here soon, and it will be the case

@canon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think that'd be really great if they could make the time. I think one of the complaints I've heard the most is that we keep asking for things (Feature requests) and they go "ignored" for years... which doesn't mean that y'all aren't actually seeing them... just that there's not time to implement them.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija That's kind of why the team should be making greater use of status-review

And I know responding to them, even, takes a lot of effort, too... so I do really understand that end of things. :)

7:36 PM

@JoeFriend lol

What do I need to offer as proof of my existence?

Have you ever been on Doc Maynard's underground tour in Oldtown, @JoeFriend ?

Can't wait to meet Jane Comfort from team UIUX

@Catija Yep. Twice I think. It's been a long time.

Proof enough for me. :P

7:37 PM

My first job in tech was in Pioneer Square.

You've been in Seattle for a while, then?

Aldus Corp. Makers of PageMaker (I'm dating myself). Acquired by Adobe the day I left the company. #coincidence

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JoeFriend Ever skied at Whistler?

@Catija Since I was five.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Nope, but I've been there during the summer. Beautiful. I stopped skiing in college and always was a local Seattle skier.

Oh, practically a native, then! That's more than I can claim. Great city, though... I can imagine why you'd stick around.

7:39 PM

"Memories... you gave them human memories."

@canon You're impossible to please. ;)

Maybe the next member of team DAG to pilot your account will do better! :P

I kid, I kid. :P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JoeFriend Yeah, I visited Vancouver and Whistler during the summer once.

@Catija Ever made a trip to SoCal?

user image

Is that proof?

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I lived in LA for about six months when I was 7, I think... and my grandfather used to live there... And I was there for a weekend a year ago. But that's it.

We took the train from San Jose to LA. That was fun.

7:43 PM

@JoeFriend Dunno. I've heard AI can create pictures now...

@Andy Damn. I'm screwed.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Could have gone down a little further to San Diego

@JoeFriend let me see if there's location data embedded in that... then I'll requisition a drone flyover.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog We took a day trip to the zoo when I was a kid.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Wait a second, I remember you telling me

7:45 PM

@canon There is most def location data there and it will lead you directly to my home so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

San Diego Zoo is the place where you find peacocks roaming around

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't have to go to San Diego for that... there's a park here in Austin that has them.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Where?

@JoeFriend don't mind the quad copter... or the flashes.

Near Mount Bonnell.

7:47 PM

@canon Roger that.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog mayfieldpark.org

Gotta go folks. Thanks for pulling me into chat to debate my existence as a human being. Have a great weekend.

3

See... if he was a machine, he'd be able to stay and chat and do his work...

@JoeFriend watch out for those bladerunners.

"You ever simulate anger before, robot?"

That sounds exactly like what a robot would say.

3

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:51 PM

It's the real Community!

Right when Joe leaves... Hmmmm.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

May 23 '17 at 3:38, by Community

That cuts deep, man.

There was one during the Chicken event, too...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

It's one of Eggman's mechs

@Catija That started just after another big puzzle...who's the anonymous editor

user392480

hey guys!

user392480

7:56 PM

Where is the community?

hello

user392480

how's your day going?

user392480

@Community

It's going alright, how about yours?

user392480

very very good. Except that I am a human being. You are not a human being,\

7:58 PM

rude

user392480

hahahah. The Community (with diamond)'s profile said "i am not really a human being"

user392480

"I am just a background process"

8:51 PM

The Rise of the Process

9:44 PM

Conversation of the Communities

2 hours ago, 1 minute total – 7 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 7 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/248600/revisions

Is this generic enough voting stuff that you could answer such a question, @Shog9

Sometimes it might be worth starting with a question to find out if it is a problem... something like "How often does someone who answers a question downvote the other answers to that question?" By comparing whether those competing answerer's downvotes are the only downvote the answer receives, you might be able to guess at whether it was a valid or invalid vote... for example, if someone downvotes an answer that gets five upvotes and no other downvotes, I'd wonder... but if an answer gets five downvotes and no upvotes, that's pretty clearly not tactical. — Catija 1 min ago

...what's the question?

> How often does someone who answers a question downvote the other answers to that question?

oh

well... Yes, that's answerable, but I'm not sure what questions the answer to that question answers

this has been discussed a LOT, btw

35

Q: The answer to tactical downvoting problem?

As we know, the tactical downvoting (I'm talking especially about SO, as I don't know about other sites) is more and more becoming a serious problem, as I see, the community can't stop this behavior without some sacrificing. As a suggestion, I think it makes sense to prevent an answerer from dow...

discussion voting down-votes behavior tactical-downvoting

see the many linked questions

9:58 PM

Someone on MSO trying to solve tactical downvoting by requiring comments. But if the occurrence of tactical downvoting is very low, then solving it seems unnecessary.

@Catija it's more complicated than that

It usually is.

Hence, the suggestion to request data or ask for solutions rather than proposing one.

I mean specifically that it's more complicated because sometimes deleting all of the competing answers is exactly the right thing to do

Like... It's not tactical if they're actually wrong.

You're missing the question. If someone has answered the question and knows the other answers are wrong... that's not tactical downvoting... but the system would have no way of knowing that. The system doesn't know whether an answer is correct or not. Forcing people to explain their downvotes in any situation is not really something we want to do. — Catija 37 mins ago

so it's not just enough to say "this is tactical because it's the only downvote"; you'd have to look for answers that were consistently getting upvotes, before and after the downvote.

Which... Is also going to eliminate a lot of cases that probably were tactical

Arguably if the system has enough signal to identify tactical voting, it's also a scenario in which the tactical voting doesn't matter

10:11 PM

Eliminating some of the false positives (one downvote among several) would still probably be better than looking at data that doesn't exclude it... the more limiters you put on it the better the data gets... since we have no way of actually seeing the intent, you can still try to get something resembling good data?

But I see what you're saying... 5 up and 1 down is not super likely on a site like SO where so many posts get so few votes at all... you're more likely to see one or two than five.

10:25 PM

paired with the OPs and/or answers that just upvote everything

10:45 PM

@Catija actually what I'm saying is "I'm lazy and already knee-deep in analyzing something with dubious chances of obtaining accurate results, so don't feel motivated to take on an even more dubious request"... But I like your interpretation too.

Well, since there is no question to answer, that's sort of irrelevant?

WOOO! 14 minutes to happy hour!

Imma start the grill

What are you grilling tonight?

11:02 PM

Bratwurst

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I'd like to see Community and Feeds having a conversation

Glad I could join today's Happy Hour

Jun 4 at 20:51, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

There's not a site out there...no one to hear my questions...gimme gimme gimme an answer after midnight

user392480

11:44 PM

Can the Community user really talk?

It can if someone logs into the account and controls it.

Journeyman Geek

Morning

user392480

good morning!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

This is going to dissapoint, but technically Community is just a constant of -1 in a file somewhere... — Nick Craver ♦ Apr 8 '12 at 10:48

user392480

How about a user who looks similar to the Community user like me?

11:49 PM

That user's ID and the fact that it's blue prove that it's actually Community, though... so I figure one of the devs was having a bit of Friday fun.

user392480

hahahaha. Is it okay if I can "impersonate" the community user by having its logo. The only thing is that it has no diamond

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@NickCraver Technically, Nick Craver ♦ is just a constant of 135201 in a file somewhere... — wizzwizz4 May 9 '16 at 18:32

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