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Somewhat Memorable Name

12:09 AM

ugh morning

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1:26 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310834/…

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1:49 AM

@Shog9 Bad edit approved; please override: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/58071

(Please do not rollback. It will prevent moderators from overriding the edit.)

SmokeDetector

2:16 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, blacklisted website in body, body starts with title and ends in URL, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Tone Slim The Internet has made by aleenamolab on askubuntu.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: List of interesting math podcasts? by Ben Parker on math.SE

Somewhat Memorable Name

2:33 AM

> Just a tiny edit; this should (theoretically) revert to removing just this edit instead of also removing the link above

I guess he's testing something?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: Printed Circuit Board Features Differentiate by PCBindex on electronics.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: My FaceTime cannot be activated by acep saepul milah on apple.SE

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:50 AM

@SomewhatMemorableName Check the post's edit history

Somewhat Memorable Name

Microsoft has reportedly acquired GitHub

huh!?

Undo

Yeah, that'll be interesting

SmokeDetector

3:20 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: How to permanently switch Caps Lock and Esc by farhad goodarzi on askubuntu.com

SmokeDetector

3:57 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Windows 7 on iMac (VMware fusion running) ImageResizer no longer works in latest version by BRUCE DAMER on superuser.com

Feeds

The 538TR attempts to capture a player's combined skill at basketball (either real-life or NBA 2K18) and election forecasting.

Nog Shine

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 10 mins ago, by Nog Shine

Is it only me or everyone? I am logged out of SOFU right now.

Catija

I don't have any issues on SO.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Nope, not logged out (yet)

Nog Shine

imgur.com/a/z5ek4rr

Catija

4:11 AM

So... log in? I get randomly logged off every now and then... just happens.

Nog Shine

I am logged in and logged off at the same time.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Darn, that Schrodinger...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Uploading to a CH340 "Nano" board using a Mac with Osx High Sierra by Aidan Romero on arduino.SE

Nog Shine

How early is early June?

Catija

Depends on who you ask... 30 days would imply the first 10 or so if you divide the month into early, mid, and late.

SmokeDetector

5:36 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Where can I find the best dumps for PCNSE7 for free? by user386948 on meta.SE (@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:13 AM

@ArtOfCode How does Smokey deal with username changes? If I change my username, will pings like the one above also change?

Nog Shine

I think it chooses user ID

Somewhat Memorable Name

it's based on user ID. I requested to be notified when I was @hey, and I still get it with current username without me doing anything.

Shadow Wizard

6:40 AM

@NogShine yup otherwise it's trivial to cheat

@NogShine if you mean SE features to be done, 30th in June would still be really early.

July can also be considered as early June for that matter.

Somewhat Memorable Name

6:57 AM

Early means ±6-8 weeks from the first day of the month

ArtOfCode

7:28 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog some will, some won't. For them all to change you'll need to change it in MS too

Derpy

7:54 AM

N'cha!

Somewhat Memorable Name

8:34 AM

Where the hell did you get the idea that one of the birds was female and the other male? — Najib Idrissi 14 hours ago

-_-;

and the train probably wreck after that

Derpy

8:51 AM

aaaaand after the last comment, I think this fall in the "worthy ping" category.

@JNat can you spare a nuke for this post and the following comments chain?

@Oded @Taryn @JonEricson ^ whoever comes first. I suspect it may even deserve some free "let this never happen again" friendly warnings.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy umm.... Oded can do what we can do, nothing more. He has no diamond.

Also, no need to panic and call all SE staff here just due to one crappy answer, @Derpy.

It's not even offensive on its own, just attracting crappy comments.

Derpy

Tomayto, tomahto. You call it not offensive, I call it "burn with fire".

Also, this

Shadow Wizard

what offensive about it? That he writes "male" and "female"??

Crappy? Sure. Offensive? No. But anyone has the full right to be offended by anything, so it's all good, I guess.

(I'm pretty sure that if downvote threshold was 100 or less, that answer was at -100 now, not just -10)

Somewhat Memorable Name

It invited the last comment having something to do with ... "happy"

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy what about it? Yet another crappy comment in a pool of crappy comments under crappy answer.

Somewhat Memorable Name

9:06 AM

I just mod flagged the answer for comment cleanup. Still not sure about answer deletion (it's up to the mods)

Shadow Wizard

Hopefully the answer will get deleted, e.g. via review, but no need for panic IMO.

Mithrandir

!!/panic

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir No such command 'panic'.

Shadow Wizard

!!/blame panic

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Taryn's fault.

Shadow Wizard

9:09 AM

So she is behind all of this...

Knew it!

Derpy

sorry, not a fan of content that generates "boys be boys" style comments, gender based jokes and the such.

Somewhat Memorable Name

!!/panic-dance

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy of course, me neither, but we can just flag and go away, no need to call all the guns, that's my point. :)

Derpy

and as for the "not offensive" last comment I linked... I suppose we have very different standard.

Shadow Wizard

status-error-no-panic-detected

Derpy

9:12 AM

@ShadowWizard I was calling the guns precisely because I think some of those nice comments - especially the final one - deserve a free be nice reminder coupon to be handled out by some staff member. Simple deletion would probably pass up unnoticed.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy such warning can also be issued by a site mod, if they find it so offensive as you do.

(and the answer got many flags, that's for sure)

Shadow Wizard

9:26 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no, the other one is marked as completed, so not a good idea to close new request as dupe of it.

If there was a regression and whatever was completed is no longer in place, the wrong tag should first be removed, then we can close fresh requests as dupe of it.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard and it is still there, attracting more "not offensive at all" comments.

Shadow Wizard

10:01 AM

@Bart confirmed by UBS‌!

Derpy

10:17 AM

what should one do if a link in an answer is detected as "deceptive site" by firefox?

Somewhat Memorable Name

@Derpy give me the link, you can delete it after I say "ok"

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy this not always mean the site is really deceptive.

6

Q: Chrome seems to be throwing an 'unsafe website' warning on any SE page I open

I was working away this morning, and checked my browser, and discovered the three tabs I'd opened on space.stackexchange all had switched to this warning message, which seems to come from Google themselves. I am waiting to see if the problem reappears. I have no idea if I'm looking at a viru...

John Dvorak

unsafe != deceptive

Somewhat Memorable Name

this chat room is deceptive too

Derpy

@SomewhatMemorableName the one in this answer.

John Dvorak

10:28 AM

@SomewhatMemorableName And taking pride in it

Somewhat Memorable Name

@Derpy ok, I got a big red screen on Chrome

Derpy

@ShadowWizard I know, what I really meant is "is there someone that could double check this and see if we should remove it"

Virus Total gives a 3/68 detection as Phishing Site

Somewhat Memorable Name

welp, I can't open the site because my office uses FortiClient which also blocks that site as Phishing site...

Mithrandir

> 404 Web Site not found.

Derpy

fortinet, g-data and google safe web browsing - those are the three detecting it as phishing

Mithrandir

10:32 AM

Somewhat Memorable Name

@Mithrandir yup, same on my mobile network

also, the links on that 404 refer to MSDN for Microsoft Azure, so... phishing as much?

Flagged as NAA in the end... nothing can be gain from that answer. edit: it's probably an answer "this is a bug".

mumble...

title is incorrect

Probably site was hacked, person behind it appears to be legit. social.technet.microsoft.com/profile/craig%20lussier

Derpy

10:43 AM

I never intended to imply this was done on purpose. I was just trying to determine if we should indeed consider the link "rotten" and remove it for safety sake.

Shadow Wizard

not sure, it might get fixed soon.

Derpy

11:37 AM

In the meantime, the answer on math is gone.

Derpy

11:59 AM

in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 hours ago, by Mithrandir

Journeyman Geek

That appears to be a flood elemental

Journeyman Geek

12:30 PM

Floof

Shadow Wizard

wowhead.com/npc=41132/flood-elemental

Shadow Wizard

12:43 PM

@ShadowWizard There are also many queries that filter and group by this. I opted to not silently break these. Since SEDE is also the source of the data dump, we also don't want a forever null column propagating there. There's also having to explain "well...it's there but..." every so often. Given that users are able to fix the queries on their own, I'm okay with this decision. — Nick Craver ♦ 40 mins ago

Bart

@ShadowWizard confirmed by my wallet

Shadow Wizard

@Bart poor wallet!

Somewhat Memorable Name

12:59 PM

Kingdom Diamonds: Chain of Pings

Bart

Colleague just came back from London saying "They always told me London is so expensive. But it's not that bad" :D

Shadow Wizard

But it's cold.

Shadow Wizard

1:18 PM

Next president of USA?

Bart

Who is that?

Shadow Wizard

@Bart you don't want to know...

Bart

I should not have searched ...

rene

@ShadowWizard that is settled then

Shadow Wizard

@Bart told you!

hmm... thinking about it, the chance he'll become president is the same chance as if Evan will become CEO of Stack Exchange. :D

rene

1:35 PM

surprise surprise (if I get @Bart to think Henny Huisman I'm all good)

Bart

@rene oh f*cking hell ... screw you :D

Is he still alive?

rene

I think so, yes ...

Shadow Wizard

@JNat cross site spammer, spammed again today on MSE. Thanks!

@rene Henny who?

rene

@ShadowWizard Houseman

Shadow Wizard

This one?

rene

1:40 PM

yep

Shadow Wizard

What about him?

Is he related to Haney?

rene

@ShadowWizard no

Shadow Wizard

So what about Mr. Huisman? What's so special about him that surprised @Bart so much? ;)

Bart

He used to have a TV show called "De surprise show" where he fulfilled wishes people had. And it had a song ...

Shadow Wizard

@Bart cool! What Wish did he fulfill for you?

Bart

1:42 PM

To quit the show

Shadow Wizard

LOL

We got tons of trash TV shows here, of all sorts.

Derpy

@Bart You seem sad. Shall I prescribe the 10 hours version of the Smile song?

Bart

@ShadowWizard he was very popular for a while, but then got to a point where he like himself so much and could not quit being on TV ... so he moved to a religious channel and what not. Would not be surprised if he still tries to pop up here and there.

@Derpy I am going to guess that "no" is probably in my best interest as a response :D

Derpy

@Bart there is worse.

I could have proposed the 10 hours version of Sugar Rush.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek why don't you delete the last two comments on this answer of yours? That's some vulgar/aggressive user who just made abusive edit to question he asked years ago on MSE which got downvotes.

Even without being vulgar, the comments are useless.

Somewhat Memorable Name

1:49 PM

vulture vulgar cougar

Derpy

ocelot

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: Disable menu item with ollydbg by Diego A on reverseengineering.SE

Derpy

toxic answer detected....

Martin James

@Bart Was that when you picked him/her up from their Gulfstream? Either way. must be fun driving the limo.

Bart

2:04 PM

@MartinJames haha, we can't afford cars over here, so yeah, no Gulfstreams or limos for us

Martin James

@Bart That's 'cos you visit London. Stop doing that and you'll have stretch Merc's coming out the ears:)

Bart

@MartinJames yeah ... come to Geneva for a bit ... I should make the move into banking for the big bucks

Journeyman Geek

2:31 PM

@ShadowWizard eh. Flag please.

I'm too tired to mod :( Just worked a 12 hour day

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Claiming noble title of Earl in Ireland that seems to have died out? by Countess Palatine of Burgundy on genealogy.SE

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek flagged both as not needed

Journeyman Geek

Thanks. I'll leave it for another mod, unless I have a quiet day

Shadow Wizard

sd k

Bart

flagged and flagged

Somewhat Memorable Name

2:45 PM

that means, 3 flag = poof!

Journeyman Geek

Thanks I guess? ;p

Journeyman Geek

3:03 PM

Its been a long day

shitton of helpdesk stuff and some personal stuff that's not moving

Shadow Wizard

:(

Journeyman Geek

(actually personal stuff. anyway, I'll have to work out how to get my parents moving on the matchmaking thing)

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek parents will never stop hoping and pressing their kids to find a match... it's global. :)

Journeyman Geek

Oh

I want them to

;p

Shadow Wizard

My way was to always stay polite, say "Sure, I'll date her" when they suggest, and look actually sad when it didn't go well. :D

Journeyman Geek

3:17 PM

no no no...

lol

OTHER WAY AROUND.

Shadow Wizard

?

Journeyman Geek

We're traditional and I want them to do it, and they arn't lol

Shadow Wizard

You suggest dates for your parents? Now that's weird. :P

Journeyman Geek

no no

My parents are supposed to matchmake me, oldschool

and... are kinda making a hash of it.

or not doing anything at all

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek right, that's what I meant. Parents offering matches, i.e. dates

Journeyman Geek

3:18 PM

@ShadowWizard yup. but I want them to do it ;p

Shadow Wizard

ohhhh

So your parents are bugged!

Send them to the nearest lab for fixing. :D

Journeyman Geek

Ahh, bit of a story there

Shadow Wizard

Parents Fixing Lab

Journeyman Geek

hah

ANd some reasonable news would be nice ;p

the last girl they tried to match me with with any level of seriousness is kinda uninterested in getting married (to anyone) and was kinda cute.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek so they did try.... it means they stopped at some point?

Journeyman Geek

3:20 PM

but eh, they don't seem very good at farming it out to aunts or doing it themselves

@ShadowWizard bit half hearted

Shadow Wizard

hmm...

when was that last girl thing?

Journeyman Geek

eh, 2-3 months ago when they asked

Shadow Wizard

Oh, that's recent.

Journeyman Geek

Mom's like "Oh don't worry, we'll get you married off by august"

lol

Shadow Wizard

But if she's cute, why not let it continue, hoping she will rethink marriage with time?

Journeyman Geek

3:22 PM

Oh, I've met her like, once

Shadow Wizard

And it's.. over?

Journeyman Geek

and probably wouldn't really talk to her unless it was a maybe

lol

Think victorians?

Shadow Wizard

If door wasn't shut guess you can still go for it, no?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Well, ball's in her court I guess?

ANd you don't always get your first choice, jobs or girls sometimes ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek no idea, if the date ended with "OK, we'll talk again", then it's in your court as much as in hers. :)

Journeyman Geek

3:23 PM

oh no date

Shadow Wizard

Meeting with someone for romantic purpose is a date. ;)

Journeyman Geek

more my parents asked her parents... and erm... she apparently kinda wasn't interested at all, and lied to her parents about having a profile on the match making site.

Oh!

Dosen't work like that at all

Its all very victorian

Shadow Wizard

Unless you didn't even meet her, in this case how you know she's cute? @Journeyman

Journeyman Geek

anyway, got another 12 hour day tommorrow, so to bed with me.

and 3 days off

Met her once. Socially ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek boo... go sleep... leave us here bored.... :D

@JourneymanGeek so, it was a social date. :D

Catija

3:29 PM

Well, so much for ever figuring out when someone's birthday is: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/369002/4548692

Somewhat Memorable Name

Happy Birthday Catija!

Catija

My birthday is in March :P

Shadow Wizard

@Catija prove

:D

Catija

Are I not so obviously a Pisces? I though it was written everywhere I went. :P

Anonymous

4:15 PM

Oh shit....

Tweeted by rossipedia on June 4, 2018 at 3:53 PM

Catija

Is that new?

Anonymous

This is from the slidedeck announcing their acquisition.

Andy

Got a link to that slidedeck? I haven't seen it yet

Anonymous

view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https://… are the slides; I don't have the presentation video.

Andy

That's fine. Thank you.

Somewhat Memorable Name

4:26 PM

Well... if each repo now has their Q&A in addition to Issue and Wiki... I guess that's understandable?

Anonymous

If it's just referring to their existing private teams discussions, that's not very interesting. But Issues currently exists as an awkward hybrid of bug/issue tracking, user support, sometimes references, etc. A distinct Q&A category/feature for major projects might be a good incremental development.

Catija

Yeah, a Q&A section would be a good way to ask if something was working as intended or whether it was a good idea to implement a new feature or... something...

Anonymous

But if it's tightly scoped within a project like that, I'd imagine it only really succeeding for large projects, not catching as much long tail as Stack. And I don't really see GitHub implementing a site-wide reputation/permission system.

Somewhat Memorable Name

I guess it still has a better potential than off-loading the support (sometimes wrongly) to SO...

Catija

I barely use GH as it is, so I'm not sure I have the best ability to judge. I do know that there are some issues with notifications, particularly relating to Gists that are troublesome... mostly relating to... well, notifications for Gists don't exist. :P

Anonymous

4:34 PM

GitHub's project/code views are fine, but I feel like the rest of the site could do with a bit of a redesign. The home page feed is pretty dully and rarely useful to me (maybe not representative). Rejig that, throw in some questions, maybe you've got something interesting going.

Anonymous

Yeah, Gist is kind-of off in its own corner, not getting a lot of attention.

Catija

And it's really difficult/non-obvious how to actually get around on the site at all.

Anonymous

Definitely agree.

SmokeDetector

5:57 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Second display won't work with nvidia drivers by Allen Deep on askubuntu.com

πάντα ῥεῖ

sd tp-

Catija

6:42 PM

@user134300 I'm assuming that's on the Jobs site (your MSO post)? I've not actually used it so I have no clue how it's populated. :/

And I definitely don't have a Dev story. :P

Shadow Wizard

7:01 PM

@user134300 what about it? Looks like I miss something obvious...

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:35 PM

@Catija @user134300 I am not that concerned (yet):

Let's see which impact #Microsoft 's purchase of #GitHub will have for the #opensource / FOSS community in the end. If the open source contributors will feel throttled, or vendor locked in, they'll find other places anyway. Git itself is still open source stuff.

Tweeted by GntherMakulik on June 4, 2018 at 6:18 PM

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ The amount of FUD going on here is insane

Catija

I was just telling my husband at lunch today that all of the people leaving GH for GL didn't make sense to me. If they want to use GH, they're better off staying where they are for the time being and giving MS a chance to show their cards. and if it gets bad, make a stink when it's actually useful. The sale is happening/happened...

so moving isn't going to undo it... but if they do something really crappy in the future that breaks GH... there are now fewer people around to complain and effect change.

Shog9

I donno. Folks should do what makes them comfortable. GitHub is nice, but if you're not using all the bells and whistles it isn't a big deal to move somewhere else.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Mgetz Yes. Just most of the current users aren't M$ fanboys and gals :-P

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ The fact that people are still using M$ is kinda sad. I understood it with ballmer but Nadya isn't the same

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:41 PM

@Shog9 Exactly what I mentioned. The Git core software is still open source, and I doubt that linus will be eager to change the licenses.

@Mgetz The fact people are using it is simply a fact. And my company has to deal with that somehow. We can't force all of our customers to change.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ true, but at the end of the day they are missing out on some great products and getting themselves burned by others because they are unwilling to look past actions of people that aren't even at the company anymore

πάντα ῥεῖ

"look past actions of people that aren't even at the company anymore" My daily bread and butter :-P

Catija

There's probably some part of it I'm missing, then... If you're on one site by default rather than choice, I can understand moving but if there's actually something about GitHub that you like over the others, it'd make more sense to wait it out a bit.

πάντα ῥεῖ

I am trusting Nat Friedman so far. He's looking friendly and well-educated.

Anonymous

@πάνταῥεῖ If your customers are still angry at Microsoft they're probably so old that you can wait a few years and they'll all be dead.

Anonymous

7:55 PM

@ShadowWizard Did you miss the freehand red circle?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@user134300 You probably misunderstood something. Our (~17000) customers use all kind of Microsoft Windows OS versions, and we wan't to keep them still going with our products as much as possible.

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:09 PM

@Mgetz Ah sorry, I misunderstood. You meant the M$ shortcut. Sorry I am simply still used with it. My stances changed a bit meanwhile :3

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ If you're still supporting windows XP you have my condolences

πάντα ῥεῖ

We'll cancel it at our October release (throwing off Windows Server 2012 OS)

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ That corresponds to win 7 IIRC. So you're not supporting Vista but you are supporting XP...

πάντα ῥεῖ

I still have fun with the rest of "The API Zoo" ;)

Mgetz

eh... I think MS needs to be a bit more proactive with [[deprecated]] on their API

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:14 PM

@Mgetz We have to distinguish about Server and Desktop installations, Vista was thrown out earlier as far I am informed.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ Personally I would have taken the attitude MS took on XP. You can pay for extra support, but I'd also require you show us the signed support agreement and migration play with MS.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Mgetz Wouldn't help much with a customer still running old Microsoft software.

@Mgetz Sure we're paying for support of "special cases". Depends on the customers volume.

Also support of OS isn't the worst thing to deal regarding our product.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@curiousdannii: You posted the above comment two minutes before praising Shog9's edit on the original FAQ entry. Is your comment still relevant? — Robert Harvey 2 hours ago

Mark Amery

8:43 PM

stackoverflow.com/q/36034454/1709587 is a great case study of a kind of arrogant treatment of askers that's bugged me for a while. I ask what is, I think, a reasonable and thoughtful question, and get two terrible answers that are barely relevant. One answerer throws a tantrum, insults me, and finally deletes his answer when I point out that it doesn't answer the question. Eventually, years later, somebody provides a good answer demonstrating that both previously answerers were wrong.

I feel like this is a narrative that's missing from a lot of Meta discussions, where it's often tacitly assumed that askers are selfish idiots and all the value on the site comes from answerers

Kevin B

without askers, there wouldn't be answerers

Mithrandir

in The Reading Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 21 '17 at 22:00, by Rand al'Thor

in Mos Eisley, Jun 26 '15 at 23:35, by rand al'thor

Questions get less rep than answers,
But rep-whores are just foolish prancers.
The pride a well-posed question brings
Is greater than rep or other things.
Answers need their nourishing questions:
Naught else can suit their select digestions.
Those vital questions, food for all,
Cannot be overlooked. Askers stand tall!

Mark Amery

@KevinB Yep, I agree. But if you were to uncritically read some of the Meta threads that happen, you could walk away feeling that askers were all selfish, entitled scum, demanding the time of answerers that they have no right to.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Unfortunately there actually are things like "stupid" and unhelpful questions. That's what I learned over the years.

Mark Amery

@πάνταῥεῖ Sure, I absolutely agree with that too

The trouble is that even asking thoughtful, helpful questions frequently draws hostility

Catija

8:48 PM

I don't think anyone disagrees with that... what isn't necessary is calling them "stupid" to the users' faces.

Shadow Wizard

@user134300 nope. So it means GH is now competitor of SO?

Kevin B

eh, i think that's falling into the same trap as those complaining about people with high rep being unwelcoming. it isn't an absolute, it's instead complaining about the majority.

not the all

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija Of course, we have to tell them that in a nice way, or better not at all.

@ShadowWizard HUH??

Mark Amery

@Catija Sure, there's that too, I guess. But I'm honestly not too fussed if genuinely stupid questions get called stupid. I could tolerate incivility if it worked as form of quality control. What bugs me is that the hostility is frequently unrelated to the quality of an asker's contributions.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

There's not a site out there...no one to hear my questions...gimme gimme gimme an answer after midnight

Catija

8:51 PM

Here's the thing... the person asking the question... doesn't think it's stupid... at least not initially... one of my friends and I, in high school, had our minds blank at one point in French class and we couldn't figure out how to say "the" in French... which... if you've got any French... is an extremely stupid question... but plastering that in our faces and making us feel bad for it... doesn't help anyone.

Mark Amery

meta.stackoverflow.com/q/367922/1709587 was another good example. I waded in and answered there because I was upset to see a perfectly reasonable, useful question downvoted and closed for no good reason. And then the asker's Meta question got flooded with downvotes too?!

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ Q+A icon in Github... sorry, but I really don't see what it might mean. Not using Github myself.

πάντα ῥεῖ

GitHub provides statistics for repos popularity already. No need for voting. It's a special art to select from code to safely and sightfully copy to your production stuff though.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Do note that this acquisition comes after a failed attempt at establishing a competitor: CodePlex

Mark Amery

@Catija There's a difference between getting in someone's face because they forget something silly, and getting in their face because they choose to ask something silly on Stack Exchange.

Mgetz

8:54 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog codeplex existed prior, I would say codeplex competed with sourceforge not github

Anonymous

@ShadowWizard We don't know what it means. Just wildly speculating.

Catija

Not really. There's no excuse to "get in their face"... pretty much ever.

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard There are a lot of jokes that SE will be MS' next acquisition

Anonymous

I'm not sure they're jokes.

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Not to mention that sourceforge is an almost dead end meanwhile.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:55 PM

Questions asked by low-rep users on MSO about their own posts: meta.stackoverflow.com/…

...after that feature was enabled on SO

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ for awhile codeplex was actually a nice place to host OSS. It actually required you to select a license when you uploaded. At the same time SF was getting seedy

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Look at the most recent one: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/368934/…

Anonymous

Codeplex seemed okay at one point, but then neglected for a long time.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

And Google Code Project Hosting shut down

Mgetz

@user134300 a little thing called github kinda removed all incentive to update it, it died with a whimper

Catija

8:56 PM

Oh, @Taryn I was looking at the list of SO blog contributors earlier today and you're still listed 1. as "bluefeet" and 2. as a CM. :) Not sure if that's an oversight or... ? stackoverflow.blog/authors/bluefeet

Mark Amery

@Catija Meh. I think I probably mostly stay on the right side of civility as most people would judge it... but honestly, if people wanna make useless contributions, I don't really care if they get treated disrespectfully.

Taryn

@Catija I'll always be a blue-footed CM

Anonymous

@Mgetz I miss Google Code. A bunch of GitHub Pages' templates still try to hotlink the HTML5 Shim from the Google Code URL everybody used to use. :P

Catija

@MarkAmery You don't have to "care"... that's not what I'm saying. I am recommending that if you feel that way, simply don't engage with them at all.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Taryn Aren't you a DBA now?

Taryn

8:58 PM

yes

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Google Code Hosting had better integration with Eclipse IDE, but GitHub caught on

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@Taryn struggöing with csv ;-)

Anonymous

I like Git as a user, but it's a shame that it won in open-source, when it's a hard-to-extend pile of C, leaving Mercurial to out-compete it in corporate environments that need more flexibility from its extensible Python model. I wish we could have the same in both....

Taryn

@πάνταῥεῖ unfortunately yes

Anonymous

(IIRC both Facebook and Google have custom extensions to Mercurial to integrate with their monorepos, though Microsoft has been doing a lot of heavy lifting to get Git to play nice with theirs, lately.)

Mark Amery

9:02 PM

@Catija Well, sure. I'm not sure we concretely disagree on anything, we just have very different focuses.

You're annoyed by gratuitous incivility even when it's towards people who are genuinely making crap contributions

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Eclipse in the past didn't have good Git support, and sort of stuck on to older systems such as SVN and CVS. Also, Google had better integration, with a plugin that allowed one to easily import their code hosted on their service into Eclipse. It's for these reasons that I used their service.

Mark Amery

Whereas I'm primarily annoyed that the incivility isn't well-targeted; that even if you're posting thoughtful, intelligent things, you still have good reason to fear how you'll be received.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Thankfully as Google's service was being shut down, someone finally made a better Git client for Eclipse

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@Taryn As mentioned I'm having fun with importing CSV to PostgreSQL currently. If you need any tips, I am at your service ;-)

Anonymous

Listen, dealing with bad users is easy: just make a botnet to downvote everything they post in the future, rotating between accounts to avoid detection. Wait a month, and the user will be gone.

Taryn

9:04 PM

thx

Kevin B

meh, just don't have feelings.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

48

Q: Experiment request: Temporarily stop showing characteristics about a user in the question preview to certain users

Judging from my overall experience on Stack Overflow and what I've seen happening with others, it might be that users' votes are confounded based on the reputation of the post author, or based on whether or not they are a new user. However, this is unproven. To help (dis)prove this, I have a pro...

discussion voting new-users a-b-testing

Taryn

@KevinB so you're a robot?

Mark Amery

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I've previously +1ed. But, anecdotally, I still receive condescension sometimes when I ask questions today, as a ~50k rep user.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Taryn What do you think about my experiment proposal above?

Anonymous

9:05 PM

damnit, my botnet must be misbehaving: he isn't supposed to talk.

Taryn

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I haven't read it yet

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Taryn Take a look at it

Anonymous

lol

Catija

@MarkAmery In my book there's a huge gulf between users who are clueless and users who are actively harming the site by continuously posting poor content. The former, given some effort, may be great contributors eventually. The latter, particularly those who don't care that they're breaking the site, are unlikely to... I'll certainly be somewhat brusque (for me) with the latter but I prefer to give the former a chance.

Taryn

in the midst of things

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9:06 PM

One wise cite from my step daughter: "You cannot expect anyone to receive you as a nice person as I do, with a 140 characters stance".

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Maroun has already explained. Enabling such a 'feature' would just blow up the current 'cool trend' of hammering skilled/experienced SO user-moderators as hostile bullies, Lets face it - if that set of users was unionized, they would have downed logins and gone on strike long ago:( — Martin James Apr 22 at 8:16

Martin James

@Catija How do you tell the difference? Either way, you'll be losing blood volume quickly:(

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(referring to the feature proposal to enable low-rep users to ask about one's own posts on MSO)

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@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I believe I brought that up earlier, and there's a grain of salt to take about. It makes a (strongly felt) difference for high-rep users, yes.

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz nah... they're smart enough to see the obvious: once such thing happens, SE dies as most if not all "hardcore" users leave.

Catija

9:17 PM

@MartinJames On a site the size of SO, it's difficult, sure... but there are tons of people there to help. If you don't think you can be kind, use the system as you see fit (downvote, flag, close vote, etc...) and leave the commenting to someone else. The secret to being too tired to be nice... is to take a break.

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@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Here it is:

49

Q: Is there a kind of "exponential upvoting effect" for high rep users?

I have noticed my reputation points growing started to boost at some point when I had already received a few +1k rep, at least when it was +10k. On the one hand, you're going to learn how to give better answers over the time, on the other hand I sometimes even receive unsolicited upvotes (where ...

discussion voting

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard you say that as if it's not already happening

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz well, I don't leave, so it's not "all". ;)

Dunno what happens in SO/MSO though.

Martin James

@ShadowWizard lol. 'peace' and 'rene' in the same meme...

Shadow Wizard

:P

Well, @rene is peaceful! :D

Martin James

9:25 PM

@Catija Being nice is all very well in theory, and works fine in a social and work setting. On SO, being unconditionally nice, always assuming good intentions, and you will just get continually mugged, over and over, every day, by users who don't give a toss about anything, or anybody, except getting their answer.

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@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog From my experience now my suspension at SO didn't have much effect at the constantly incoming upvotes for my posts. I'd suspect being shown as 1 rep user (or without any attributions at all), doesn't really have any measurable overall effect.

Catija

@MartinJames "Unconditionally" wasn't part of my argument here. If you open with an honest attempt to help and improve a post and you're greeted with vitriol... back away and flag. Disengage and find someone else to help. But greeting someone who's got 1 rep and no questions on the site with rudeness... is pre-judging them and unfair. Yes, users may respond rudely to your attempts to be helpful but many often appreciate the guidance and want to improve. Even if they're uncommon, they deserve help.

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@MartinJames You can't tell them you're a nice person within such narrow context. That's what I mentioned before.

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ I think it affects only new answers, not old.

Kevin B

i mean, it's easy; just don't comment, and if you do, don't get offended by the response.

Catija

9:30 PM

A lot of this will be helped by having better stuff in place (as Jay rightfully suggests in that Welcoming blog post) to help users ask better questions from the start. This removes the burden from the avid users and makes it more likely that question quality will improve.

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@ShadowWizard Arguable.

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ it was tested several times, too lazy to find sources. (high rep users posting exact same answer as 1 rep sock, getting much less upvotes than when posting it with their main account.)

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But currently I am not able to answer.

Kevin B

I would suspect the score of your post has more to do with it's continued upvotes than your rep does

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I was able to achieve same levels with a sock account quite quickly though.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

9:57 PM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310870/uv-texture-coordinated

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Every OT MSE question needs a cv-pls here really?

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