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3:01 PM
@Blue sure, the magic/merges with (chat) accounts and the untanglement of it is the territory of the SE Devs. Not much we can do about.
 
user370331
@rene Uh, so what would be the right step for me?
 
Not sure why you deleted the MSE post though, unless your problem is solved.
 
user370331
@rene I can access Meta now. So that is solved
 
user370331
But can't access chat
 
user370331
The MSE post was about not being able to access Meta
 
user370331
3:04 PM
Is there any way to delete my chat account ? (So that it gets linked with my current account?)
 
Chat.se right? It might be that a mod can fix that for you by fiddling with your chat account.
 
user370331
@rene I see. So how should I contact a mod?
 
But I'm not a mod myself so I have no idea what they do
@Catija @JourneymanGeek @hichris123 can anyone of you have a look if you can help @Blue with their chat account on Chat.SE? Something is borked for them.
 
user315433
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Q: How does one delete a chat profile?

Normal BotThe process of deleting a site profile is explained in Help Center and elsewhere. But I don't see any instructions for requesting the deletion of one's chat profile. (Why delete it? To disassociate self from chat content, for example. The chat profile may contain information that identifies the a...

 
I'd need a link to the chat account... it's really difficult to find it.
 
3:07 PM
@Blue your turn ^
 
@Blue what site do you want to change your parent user to?
and you arn't currently suspended anywhere, right?
or deleted an accoun under suspension?
 
user370331
@JourneymanGeek Nope. That was around 1 and 1/2 years back iirc
 
oh
that's bizzare
hm
your chat account seems linked to a deleted account on math
but you do have a math account... so
 
@Blue Did you delete your entire network account and then recreate one using the same email?
 
3:10 PM
account merging is almost always bizzare...
 
Try again on chat.se?
 
lol
I was going to do the same
 
user370331
@Catija I recreated one using a different email. They sure weren't same. But maybe they shared the Facebook account
 
@Blue That probably could have done it... your chat profile was reparented to Physics, and your username and avatar now matches what it is in here... can you use the server?
 
user370331
@Catija Yeah, now I can use it. Thanks!
 
3:12 PM
Sure :)
You should probably be able to safely reparent to Math if that's what you want now that it's synced with the correct account.
 
user370331
@Catija Yeah, sure. Physics SE would be fine for now. :)
 
3:34 PM
Rachel Ferrigno on March 27, 2018

Last week, we rolled out our latest feature designed to help tech industry leaders engage more directly with the developer community. In a partnership with Strangeworks, Stack Exchange launched the Quantum Computing Q&A site at the SXSW Convergence Keynote in Austin, TX. During his Keynote, Strangeworks Founder and CEO William “whurley” Hurley discussed how quantum computing will forever change the computing landscape with advances in fields like artificial intelligence and next-gen cryptography. To say that quantum computing will fundamentally change how we think about computers is an understatement. …

 
user315433
> Strange Computing Site Launches with the Help of Quantumworks
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Cloud symbol next to apps by Jim on apple.SE
 
3:50 PM
@ShadowWizard what's the question?
 
4:09 PM
@AdamLear we were talking about the end-of-life of SE OpenID and how it would impact the reverse engineered chat API and authentication as they need to be able to authenticate in a new way. Some of the bot authors are worried (me not included).
 
Yup ^
 
@rene you're too cool to worry?
Get out of town
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I don't have a bot that is critical. Kenny can rest a few days if I need to reverse engineer the flow again.
 
@rene how can you do that to Kenny?!
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that shows my true nature ...
 
4:30 PM
If a bot like SmokeDetector goes down, that's a bigger problem compared to a chatbot that doesn't really do anything but respond to commands and stuff like that
 
Caprica Six in the JS room runs on a bookmarklet, not openID
Maybe look into a browser hosted method?
 
still, the JS room uses SO authentication
SO and MSE is straight-forward
it's login to SE chat that's harder
Not sure how badly hit the rest of the network will be though when OpenID dies
 
@Magisch still kinda working on it, but there's been a lot of extra work since then & now
 
@rene I haven't thought about it in great detail, but I expect it'll look something like this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307647/…
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What does EV3 stand for? by George Washington on bricks.SE
 
4:45 PM
@SmokeDetector "you're mom" joke
 
@Shog9 I don't think you do since you probably know more then me, but if you need help with specifics I'd be glad to help
 
Win the election first...
 
(sounds a bit arrogant of me to offer this out loud since I'm only a small time user of sede but here goes anyways)
That ain't happening, I got thrown out in the primary
 
always next year
 
I'm not a likeable guy I think
 
4:52 PM
@user1306322 I didn't care enough to check, but easy enough to filter out special rooms
 
or have the motivation to log a couple thousand reviews and get 14k more rep to have a shot
I know, excuses.
 
user315433
Try the "kinder, gentler Stack Overflow" platform next time, it may score some points on Twitter.
 
 
posted "How to write a good nomination for election on SE?" on Writer.SE
 
@Magisch you should at least earn 10K
not earning 10K feels like giving up
 
4:55 PM
I .. guess
 
user315433
@HTTPS it's writing.SE now
 
user315433
Or maybe "I will delete all outdated accepted answers" platform.
 
I don't think I have it in me to get elected even if I do
 
user315433
> Dear @StackOverflow can you please create a custom "DEPRECATED" watermark over answers selected answers that just might happen to be deprecated? I will gladly flag these when I come across them and many already do in the comments, but we need more. #featureRequest -- darkmatter ☀️ ✨ (Mike Spicer) at 9:12 PM - 26 Mar 2018
 
I'm not a naturally likeable person and very annoying
 
user315433
4:56 PM
> Stop plagiarizing @stackoverflow on internal company wikis. You are doing the internet and your co-workers a disservice with likely antiquated information. When in doubt, post links to @google searches or SOs. The world is smart/quick(er) outside your walls. -- James Armstead at 9:22 AM - 27 Mar 2018
 
user315433
Twitter demands it...
 
5:08 PM
Heh... I'll never forget the consultant hired to do some sort of UI who ended up submitting a pile of code off of CodeProject, two years out of date, with all of the comments stripped out and his consulting company's copyright header slapped on the top.
I noticed it because I'd submitted fixes to the original project.
Was... pretty unhappy to have to fix the same crap again.
@SonicWizard search MSE & MSO - these have been documented.
 
@Shog9 can't you sue over that?
Or at least just use the updated version
 
@Magisch oh, I did that.
I still had to read through the whole thing to make sure he hadn't introduced other changes somewhere
but, nope - just stripped the comments & called it good :|
 
I hope you sued his ass
consultants are expensive too expensive to get some low tier stuff from 2 years ago
 
I was a junior dev on an internal team. I wasn't gonna sue anyone.
Also... When I say "consultant" that's being nice
This was during the "let's outsource all of our software dev to massive teams of cheap programmers out of India - we can get 3 for the price of one new graduate locally!" era
 
ah
 
5:24 PM
essentially we were paying for the privilege of training people who didn't know how to program so that someone else could pay more for the privilege of training them further later on
the actual people involved got paid almost nothing, got no formal training, and got fired if they didn't submit something on a deadline.
So... I didn't really have the heart to give 'em too much crap.
But, it kinda took all the fun out of the job for me.
 
sounds pointless for the company doing the outsourcing
my company has the opposite problem - they want us to do everything
 
Some exec got a bonus for cutting the IT budget.
the CEO got to drive up the stock price before chopping the company up into parts, selling it off, and retiring on the proceeds.
And I got to spend the next 4 years patching up an endless stream of bugs introduced by a series of consulting teams
 
by comparison being a community manager on SE sounds relaxing
got the dream job that thousands of people want
 
that may be a slight exaggeration, but... It ain't a bad job
 
You probably have access to these numbers, but working on something like SE from home seems a far cry above most jobs in tech
 
5:37 PM
At least dozens...
 
Also CM jobs are always highly competitive from what I hear
 
well, in that regard, I doubt I could ever get a different CM job
 
@Magisch "Relaxing" isn't the adjective I'd pick. But it is a great job if you like a bottomless pit of potential tasks to do.
 
@Magisch probably depends on the day
 
from what I can tell, most places CM is either "social media marketing" or "moderator with fancier name"
 
5:40 PM
compared to my day job it'd be heaven
I'd do this shit for free (doesn't mean I'd be terrific at it, but still)
 
that's how I ended up with the job. Two years of hanging out on meta, shooting down bad ideas and trying to help folks learn to use the site.
 
but getting a job like this is a ridiculous pipe dream for me
 
@Magisch become a mod first ;)
 
You say that like it's easy
 
5:44 PM
@Shog9 how on earth could you stay on a job like that? I left my last gig because they stuck me with a tech stack I didn't enjoy
 
@Magisch You need to find a proposal to follow. Easiest way.
 
@Magisch get that candidate score up
 
Oh holy crap Taryn is bluefeet
That was a waste of 5 minutes
 
@SterlingArcher The beak gave it away, didn't it?
 
The avatar wasn't a giveaway?
 
5:48 PM
@Catija what do I look like, a P.I.?
 
You're the one spending five minutes...
Spies are supposed to be perceptive.
 
In my defense P.I. was one of the weakest seasons. All hands on board for Danger Island :O
 
Technically, Figgis was the PI.
 
we all know Krieger is the one really in charge
 
@SterlingArcher :P
 
5:51 PM
with his damn Turing tested robots
 
@SterlingArcher money
 
@Taryn I saw a boobie on reddit and thought about you
I realize how that must sound but I swear to god it's legit
<3
 
@SterlingArcher that's kinda a scary sentence
/finger hovers over kick....
 
:D
@Shog9 fair enough
 
6:05 PM
In the Help & Improvement queue, how come the link "question is very low quality" literally flags the question (which typically ends up being disputed)?
It seems that the majority of questions in that queue can't be editted and should be closed, but you can either edit, skip, or flag VLQ
 
user370331
@Catija After you fixed my chat profile, it seems I lost my RO abilities. I can't pin/unpin anymore
 
@SterlingArcher that got me as well ...
@SterlingArcher and yes
 
user315433
Some bolted on logic to get posts moving around.
 
So what's the benefit to that queue besides an incredibly tedious gold badge?
 
6:08 PM
@Blue try again?
 
user315433
VLQ was the last addition after Triage and H&I were shipped.
 
@Feeds Sure if this is a good idea to do before installing the pro tempore mods?
I mean, more people means more reasons to mod
 
@SFTP the queue itself makes sense, but it needs an option that says "I can't help this question, move to CV" or something
Less question shuffling, more hammer
 
user315433
With 3 posts in the last 24 hours, QC isn't overflowing.
 
yeah, the flow is incomplete
@SterlingArcher you know this picture: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/323945/…
 
6:12 PM
I do not, lemme give it a read
 
That is my point. Are you sure this is the correct order?
@SFTP Sure, but a blog post can change that
 
@rene that's a scary lifecycle, considering how many people zone out when reviewing
disputes all over
 
user315433
@SterlingArcher This was floated a few times. But the idea of H&I is that questions may be improved and avoid closure. If CV was readily available, it'd be another close queue. Also meta.stackoverflow.com/a/344241
 
user315433
That's the theory. Practical conclusion is that H&I is the last queue I'd consider participating in.
 
yeah, I have less then 100 reviews there I think, yep: 77
 
6:16 PM
Yeah I have 55 reviews in there, and mostly it's just formatting edits I find
Late answers is another toughy to get numbers in, just because of the quantity. Only have 460 there
Every other queue is over 1000 at least for me
 
I only excel in the cvq
 
I probably won't ever get a silver medal in H&I without reforms. I close the first 3 and then ragequit
 
How many do you have there? I spend most of my time in the late/first posts if I'm not hunting for edits
Easy flags and the occassional funny in those ones
 
I'm in the top 3 so near 60K in the CVQ
 
good lord
 
user370331
@Catija I think the chat profile needs to be set to this one rather than 142654/blue
 
> 1069
 
@SterlingArcher You are only 834 places behind me heather-eggnog.glitch.me/?userid=774078
 
Funny thing is rene runs a room where none of us the CVQ at all. We just ask people to close each other's questions
 
@rene honestly, considering the number range... that's not bad
 
6:23 PM
Yeah, there are a lot of users that either give up early or quit after the badge
 
Jesus somebody has 7000 HI reviews
 
user315433
I'm on page 55 out of 109, the median reviewer. (133 total, nearly all of that in the last few days)
 
yeah, we do have some fanatic reviewers :)
 
@rene that's me. I went hard in the queue, hit all my 1000s for the badge (except late & HI because quantity) and felt so burned out I didn't touch the queue for months
 
@SterlingArcher wow
 
6:25 PM
I'm finally getting back into a 30 minute/day groove just to.. do my part really.
 
yeah, it is better to have a steady pace for a long run, then a short burst of over the top effort to never be seen again
if just a couple of hundred maybe thousands users would do so, it would be less of a problem with the queues.
 
Absolutely. This is something I can maintain daily (except weekends, I'm usually out of town on weekends)
I'm sure it's been said before but maybe a little more incentive for reviews would get a few more people
You know how folks love their internet points
 
I try to raise interest with things like that overall league
so people can see their progress, somewhat
 
I just spam the JS room and tell them to close stuff
 
I think having focus on a tag can help
we saw that in SOCVR when we ran the close events
we picked one tag and then tried to clear-out all reviews for that tag
 
6:31 PM
Feel free to piggy back our room when you're on JS, Node, React, etc
 
Okay, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. I assume you know where to go for extra close votes ;)
 
@SterlingArcher are there people in the JS room that still care about janitorial duty?
 
You'd be surprised the quality stuff that happens between meme wars, motorcycle talks, steam and more memes
I'd say maybe 5 or so people regularly post links to close as they find them? I mean it's not much but we do care
 
if every room that sees some traffic take part in moderating their tags, overall things will get better
 
Shog would be proud of us right now. Handling trolls like a boss.
It's weird, the JS room really comes down to incredibly intimate knowledge of ECMAScript itself, NodeJS, and React. Nobody really answers angular, vue, and most everybody hates jquery now
That's basically what is moderated there
 
user315433
6:40 PM
> So @StackOverflow just migrated a database to @Azure live on stage at #DEVintersection pic.twitter.com/J18DouWJbb -- David Fox at 10:42 AM - 27 Mar 2018
 
user315433
Next, they'll embark on an international "Live Database Migration" tour.
 
@SterlingArcher with a good focus I think it should become easier to keep tags clean
 
Definitely agree
 
user370331
Somehow two chat accounts with the same name got created for my account (after Catija fixed it). Could some mod please set the default chat account to this rather than this ?
 
Good luck. Chat gets less respect than comments. :P
 
6:54 PM
Something something Rodney Dangerfield?
 
 
@SterlingArcher jQuery is just too good for this world
 
Is that why Stack still runs on 1.x? 🙊
 
1xv, best xv
 
@Shog9 I remember jQuery....
 
7:05 PM
Honestly I haven't used jQuery since 1.10.0 and that was... maybe 3 years ago?
 
Before they junked up promises with all that es6 compatibility crap
 
When I was young and maleable
Uh, I believe you mean... enhanced
 
lol
 
(I kid, I kid... )
 
@Blue should be able to merge them... wish me luck
 
7:06 PM
Mostly, my experience with jQuery on stackoverflow has been watching people hamfistedly push it on the JavaScript novice.
 
user370331
@AdamLear Thanks!
 
You know there's much much less of that now?
Once querySelector/All became widely supported jQuery immediately started going downhill
And now that Fetch makes XHR so much cleaner, it makes $.ajax look like a joke
 
@Blue I think that worked! Lemme know if anything looks out of whack
 
Chaining...
 
Chaining? I wish people chained more. Mostly I see people instantiating duplicate jQuery objects all over the place.
 
7:09 PM
Everybody loves a Home Depot isle 15 @Shog9
 
@AdamLear Looks good to me.
 
user370331
@AdamLear Awesome. That worked!
 
user370331
Thanks a ton, Adam and Catija
 
Except async/await consumes promises differently so that you don't have to have a mega chain going on, or some bonkers async waterfall
 
Folks act like jquery originated element lookup or Ajax or some shit... That was never true and never the selling point. Chaining. An API that doesn't require typing the same variable name 29 times to do one damn thing.
 
7:10 PM
Honestly I always thought it's best selling point was CSS selectors and DOM traversal
Never really considered chains
 
@SterlingArcher aka "the one place the employees won't bug you cause you'll put em to work"
 
sizzle
 
My cube is the VPs old cube and they forgot to take the VP sign off it and I loved it
Then one day it was gone :(
 
your VP was in a cube?
 
Yeah he hates offices for some reason
Then he was forced into an office because growth, then he turned his office into a small team space, and moved back to a cube because more growth
 
7:14 PM
tbh, the most important functionality jQuery ever provided for me was normalizing behavior across browsers. Events and such...
 
Normalizing cross browser behavior still haunts me
To this day I can still see myself crying as the IE6 emulator spun up
 
Fighting with stupid crossbrowser differences in the ie6 days still haunts me
 
:/
 
"haslayout"
4
 
oh, god... my only feedback option is a star? why no "kill it with fire?"
 
7:16 PM
Internet Explorer is a repressed memory at this point
 
@SterlingArcher other libs had that well before jQuery. Prototype.js had that.
 
did prototype use sizzle too?
 
API design gets no respect, but it matters dammit
 
@Shog9 iirc ProtoType.js was before my time. I was introduced into engineering I want to say when jQuery was in 0.x?
 
jQuery had chaining and sets - and that was a massive improvement
Shit... I wrote my own lib that did queries and traversal. Everyone did. They all sucked.
 
7:18 PM
lol, me too
and screw you, mine was beautiful :P
 
@canon UTF8 to the rescue 🔥
 
I think I joined the development community just in time
 
@SterlingArcher There's nothing like IE6
 
How on earth did JS survive pre-2013 I'll never know. All I see are people shellshocked by internet explorer sitting in rocking chairs flinching at every dial up tone they hear
 
I learned js sitting in a call center late at night, on a NT4 terminal with Notepad, IE6, and nothing else to do
Never underestimate the power of nothing else to do
 
7:22 PM
I still prefer how Prototype did DOM traversal (one of the places jQuery got it wrong, IMO). But Prototype was just too built-in
But you can thank them for .bind()
 
The power of "nothing else to do" usually ended up with me getting hurt.
 
Those were the Active Desktop days. I could replace the terminal desktop with a webpage that did ... Fun things... To the next poor sap who logged in.
 
@SterlingArcher didn't you hear him say he taught himself javascript on IE6? That is getting hurt...
 
Physically, not emotionally
 
ActiveX controls... insert Hitchcock horror screeches here
 
7:24 PM
I didn't make enough to hurt myself physically. Bandages ain't cheap
That had to wait for a proper programming gig
 
And yet AJAX came from ActiveX, in one of life's great ironies. Microsoft's one lasting contribution to web standards
 
Worse: Ajax was created for Outlook's web UI. The original. The terrible.
 
No way
 
Kids today cannot rightly comprehend the pull of XML in the early 2000s
 
Does XSLT count? because that sucked
 
7:28 PM
Shut your lips.
XSLT was awesome
 
:/
 
user315433
Was? Our CMS is based on it.
 
I missed one lecture on XSLT in college and it ruined like 18% of my grade
 
If there's one thing the modern web-dev landscape is missing, it's proper stream processing.
"Load everything into RAM and then walk it"
so inefficient
 
Sounds like you could benefit from more RAM
 
7:32 PM
XML stream processing - SAX and kin - were ridiculously fast for something based on a horribly verbose text format. And XSLT made it easy
 
I'm just gonna say it
 
@SterlingArcher 64GB is as much as I could get on this laptop
 
JSON > XML
 
@SterlingArcher if only JSON had stream processing
10 GB of JSON and your page chokes pretty fast
 
> Stream processing is a computer programming paradigm, equivalent to dataflow programming, event stream processing, and reactive programming,[1] that allows some applications to more easily exploit a limited form of parallel processing.
Gosh that's an extremely helpful opener, Wikipedia.
 
7:33 PM
heck... 1GB and you're in trouble
 
pretty sure there are specs around streaming JSON
not that I've used them
 
Honestly using a triple store we were able to do a search in about a TB of data in seconds. I didn't really understand the object predicate crap but the ML capabiities it presented was impressive
I didn't expect it to be fast. I mean it wasn't Spark fast but it was impressive
I'm caving. I need coffee.
 
@canon yeah. Implementations though...
(Irritatingly, can do in Node.js. Not in browser, unless you count Google's abortive filesystem spec. Def not cross-platform.)
AFAIK, there are now implementations that use a custom JSON parser and fetch to make it work, but I haven't tried them.
last time I needed this, I ended up with some horrific chain of blobs
not pretty compared to setting up a SAX parser
small state machine and a few events, done - while sipping memory.
 
user315433
TIL Google Apache Wave was retired earlier this year.
 
user315433
Another missed chance for a collaborative platform that's not "a document".
 
7:49 PM
hi
chris
123
 
user315433
range(1, 4)
 
user315433
10 minutes until election end, any predictions?
 
I won all 3 positions
Which means I will finally be able to ban the crap out of @MadaraUchiha
 
Rob, baum, someone else
 
It's gonna be a game changer for sure.
 
7:50 PM
I just forgot who were the candidates
 
user315433
I think: Rob, Samuel, and then either Yvette or Brett overtaking Baum.
 
vaultah was my top choice
Was disappointed TravisJ didn't make it past the primaries
 
She nominated?
 
@SFTP Wasn't close tho. Rob, Samuel Liew, Baum in that order. I fully expect final votes to go that way, given the large gaps
 
My attention span doesn't allow me to keep track after I've voted
Either way, at least two more people I can ask to suspend @rene
I am telling you, sheeple
The flower is the doom of us all
 
7:57 PM
oh my god this coffee is awful
 
Only two of the people I voted for won.
Which is still a massive improvement over most years
 
@Shog9 you voted for me twice?
 
You ran?
 
in spirit?
 
I don't vote for g-g-g-ghosts
 
7:58 PM
ruhroh
 
Can SE employees vote?
 
if we can manage to earn 150 rep
 
user315433
If they have 150 rep. As anyone else.
 
I pulled it off. Ain't you proud?
 
So does anybody here use the nifty dark theme for chat?
 
Anonymous
7:59 PM
INSERT INTO VOTES
 
@Shog9 You're a dev. Just edit the DB
 
Less than a minute left
@Machavity He's just a CM
 
That's a privilege reserved for @Taryn
 
user315433
I use DarkReader with Chrome.
 
So... y'know... Blame whoever wins on @Taryn
 
7:59 PM
@Shog9 you rang?
I can edit things real fast
 

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