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Sonic Wizard

8:00 PM

Election over!

Machavity

@Taryn Shog needs you to spot him some rep

Shog9

I'm just showing off my ability to remember your name

Sterling Archer

> Election closes just now.

Interesting wording

Taryn

@Shog9 :p

@Machavity he doesn't need rep

Machavity

@Taryn 9 is enough rep for anyone, Amirite?

user315433

8:01 PM

> 479,354 voters were eligible, 226,336 visited the site during the election, 89,492 visited the election page, and 30,016 voted

user315433

The number of voters is down. Last time: 437,401 voters were eligible, 202,091 visited the site during the election, 89,793 visited the election page, and 30,584 voted.

Anonymous

in 2018 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Undo

Rob, Sam., Yvette

Sterling Archer

Wait what

user315433

Called it

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SFTP damn you statisticians

Shog9

8:02 PM

0

Q: Spring 2018 Community Moderator Election RESULTS

Yes, spring is in the air, and a Stack Overflow's thoughts turn to new moderators! This post concludes the auspicious tenth moderator election on Stack Overflow - not counting those two other elections we ran prior to election number one. The votes are in, the results have been tallied, and the...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I owe you a virtual ice cream now

user315433

Net +1 mod, after Matt and Ed Cottrell retire.

Machavity

Ed is retiring? Aw

Sterling Archer

Dibs

Sonic Wizard

Just another congrats ping @YvetteColomb

@gparyani We can probably rely on the three new mods to be over-achievers for at least a few weeks, and do the work of 6 people :) — meagar ♦ 1 min ago

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:06 PM

@SFTP Ed? :(

Sonic Wizard

(after asking if additional mods will be called up to meet additional demand due to net gain of just one mod)

Machavity

@SonicWizard Probably not. The SO queue seems to have a good turnover rate right now

user315433

Yvette and Brett were super close at the end, 6485 : 6468.

canon

@Shog9 ah, Yvette managed to overcome last year's drama...

shots all around... let the mopping begin

Sterling Archer

That gives me hope for next year. My chat history is worse than watergate

user315433

8:10 PM

Two Australian mods now.

rene

I'll adjust my accent

Anonymous

🔥😠🔱

Sterling Archer

I don't speak emoji but Poseidon looks pissed

canon

you'd be pissed if you were on fire too

Sterling Archer

I don't think pissed would be the initial emotion, but I can see the process down the line

canon

8:13 PM

pisseidon™

Sterling Archer

/thread

Catija

Congrats @TimStone :D Saw you managed to beat the clock!

Sonic Wizard

@Catija Beat what clock? SEDE reCAPTCHA?

Tim Stone

@Catija Whoo! ;)

Anonymous

in 2018 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat on Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by Jeremy Banks

Anonymous

8:16 PM

I promise this SVG isn't hacking you.

Sterling Archer

@JeremyBanks how come you're not blue in here?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SterlingArcher ran out of ink

Anonymous

Only ~~staff~~ employees have mod power here, and I have not been ~~staff~~ an employee for a while.

Sterling Archer

Staff as in.. SE employees?

Catija

@SterlingArcher Yes.

Sterling Archer

8:18 PM

I have no idea who gets paid by SE and who is just a mod anymore

canon

@JeremyBanks dat javascript, dough

Catija

@SterlingArcher Well, now you know... if they're blue in here, they're paid to hang out here.

Sterling Archer

Seems cushy

Anonymous

@canon I guess I can't vouch that the external scripts aren't hacking you.

canon

staff as in, "infection"

Sterling Archer

8:19 PM

Rake in internet points and chat all day? Sign me up

Wait I already do that I should probably get some work done today

canon

@JeremyBanks lol, mixed content errors too. :P

Anonymous

I guess I could strip that all out.

canon

porkbarrel javascript

user315433

Updated SO mod timeline

canon

wow, it's been three years since Bill the Lizard stepped down? Time flies... :/

Shog9

8:25 PM

that it does

Sterling Archer

Sometimes I think I still hear him... closing questions...

user315433

That he does

user315433

At 20% of former efficiency, but still does.

Sterling Archer

I was kinda hoping he'd pop in and say "stop telling people I'm dead"

3

user315433

Trivia: if sorted by reputation, the winners would be ranked #2, #7, #9 among the 10 candidates.

MetaEd

8:41 PM

@SFTP "Destroy your reputation. Be notorious." —Rumi

user315433

So that was the 10th election on Stack Overflow, not counting the prehistoric ones.

Sterling Archer

If you guys see somebody answer a question that should really (not subjectively) be closed, what do you?

user315433

Close the question.

Sterling Archer

Is a gentle nudge saying "hey bud you really should close and comment instead" the best way to say "stop encouraging this behavior"

@SFTP besides that

Catija

@SterlingArcher Depends on the user and the site, I would think.

user315433

8:44 PM

So much drama results from those gentle nudges.

Sterling Archer

Mainly high rep users rep farming

It's frustrating to see

user315433

Rob Conery was gently nudged, I suspect.

Sterling Archer

I usually pad it with "I wont downvote, but don't be surprised if you get some" to try and tell them it's an olive branch

user315433

Hm. Math is the only other site with >5 elections; it had 6.

user315433

5 elections is pretty common by now: SF, AU, Gaming, Cooking, Photo, Wordpress.

Sterling Archer

8:47 PM

ew, WP

user315433

Surprisingly, Unix had only 2 despite its size.

Shog9

Because Mrozek isn't hanging around in The Tavern anymore.

That's what happens when you leave The Tavern. Gotta find some way to fritter away all that extra time.

user315433

Unix election #1 had 54 voters. Their second had 580.

user315433

Elected in 2011 by 54 users, on the site that currently has ... 234700 or so.

user315433

9:49 PM

SO moderators sorted by UserId: 476 deceze, 1114 Jeremy Banks, 13531 Michael Myers, ..., 3093387 josliber, 3956566 Yvette Colomb, 4099593 Bhargav Rao.

user315433

Bhargav Rao is still the "youngest". Joined 2014-10-01, elected 2016-11-22.

user315433

But I didn't check the creation - election gaps for all moderators.

Sonic Wizard

10:05 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Mithrandir24601

Hi, random, probably very minor question: I was just reviewing some suggested edits on quantum computing (join us!) and came across this suggested edit. It turns out that the question was deleted before I came across the edit - is this supposed to happen? Is this the sort of question I'd be better off asking on the site's meta?

Catija

Edits are still pending even if the question or answer was deleted, yes. Pretty sure that's intentional.

Mithrandir24601

@Catija Fair does - thanks!

Catija

9

Q: Restrict the access to suggested edit reviews on deleted posts

This suggested edit on an answer deleted as rude/abusive is visible, even without logging in (and for users with less than 10k reputation). These users can't see the answer 'directly', via the revisions page, or a direct link to the source. This is a potential avenue for spammers, just like th...

feature-request suggested-edits spam deleted-posts

Mithrandir24601

Ahh, so if the question was undeleted, and the edit was accepted, the question would be undeleted with the edit already applied?

Sonic Wizard

10:11 PM

@Catija Nope, I think it's a bug, because according to animuson, all reviews are invalidated when a post is deleted: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/164288/…

@Mithrandir24601 Believe so

user315433

10:26 PM

Election/9 results were announced as "2017 Community Moderator Election RESULTS".
Election/10: "Spring 2018 Community Moderator Election RESULTS". Hmm.

rene

Hats 2018 Community Moderator Elections

user315433

An Idea: sponsored elections. "Oracle 2018 Moderator Election", etc.

Shog9

@SFTP pretty safe bet for a July election that there won't be a second one in the same year

Sonic Wizard

@Shog9 When will the link to the results on OpaVote.com be posted on the election page?

user315433

November 2016 Community Moderator Election RESULTS ... there was one that year.

user315433

10:37 PM

@SonicWizard Aren't they already? opavote.com/results/5229219307061248/0

Sonic Wizard

@SFTP Do they really need to be the same pattern?

@SFTP They're not linked

user315433

Linked from meta announcement. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/365198/…

user315433

A link being added to election page is not automatic. Election/9 has it as an exception. Most don't. stackoverflow.com/election/8

Shog9

oh, right, I forgot that we had that option

user315433

It'd be nice if something like that happened automatically, because meta posts can be ... lost. Deleted, edited..

Shog9

10:41 PM

Heh...

Very little of this is automated

That's been sort of an ongoing argument for... pretty much the entire time I've been working here

Grace Note has a detailed plan for automating it, but... Whether or when that'll get implemented is anyone's guess.

Sonic Wizard

By the way, this was a very close call apparently: the three winners in the end each had the same number of assigned ballots, with one candidate having 17 fewer assigned ballots

@Shog9 So if it becomes necessary to call up additional moderators to meet additional demand, Brett DeWoody is first in line to be called?

Shog9

you can answer that question yourself...

Run the ballot for 4 winners

Sonic Wizard

Yes?

user315433

@SonicWizard That's by design, excessive votes for those already assured of winning are redistributed among other candidates.

user315433

The three winners part is, I mean. The difference of 17 is indeed indicative of a close election.

Sonic Wizard

10:47 PM

@SFTP Yeah, I noticed; the thing I was referring to was the one candidate with just 17 fewer assigned ballots

Shog9

@SFTP oh, that's right, I started using month names because someone complained about seasons being insensitive to folks in the Southern Hemisphere.

Fortunately, no one like that was running this time around.

user315433

Or, they are too ~~happy~~ swamped with flags to notice.

Shog9

I wrote this announcement after checking on my tomato seedlings, while watching the snow collect on my patio, and all I could think of was "Spring"

user315433

@SonicWizard Yes. "Winners are Brett DeWoody, Rob, Samuel Liew, and Yvette Colomb." It takes only 7 rounds now.

user315433

If two are called up, then Stephen Rauch gets in too.

user315433

10:58 PM

Not excited about the prospect of a 101 flags / 70 downvotes / 0 meta answers (besides the questionnaire) user being called up as a mod.

user315433

Probably not spam, has other answers on other topics.

user315433

Including an outright disturbing topic, Good instant decaf coffee

quartata

did nick really do this typo just to see how long it would take for someone to notice

not pingable here so I guess I'd have to make fun of it on twitter

Jon Ericson

@SFTP Might as well throw sand in hot water.

Shog9

My coffee vendor mistakenly sent me 5lbs of decaf a while back.

quartata

11:10 PM

i imagine that ended poorly

Shog9

Since shipping would've eaten up any value in returning it, they sent me a replacement and asked me to just keep it.

So, over the course of the next 6 months, I'd mix a little bit into each batch I roasted

It really wasn't bad

Mild, smooth

Evened out the taste of some of the harsher roasts

Also, "decaf" still has a respectable amount of caffeine in it

so, good bed time drink, like tea

all in all, a much better experience than the little decaf packets they leave next to those tiny drip machines in hotel rooms

with the "decaf" written such that a bleary-eyed traveler in a dark room can hardly be expected to see it

those are just cruel

user315433

The hotel I stayed in recently had Keurigs in rooms.

user315433

Progress, of sorts.

Sonic Wizard

@Shog9 Can you please tag this as by design (if it is, I bet it is)? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298163/…

Catija

The fridge I have has the option of having one put in the door... I think that's just too much, really.

user315433

11:16 PM

New game: reading Shog's post, guess how much decaf was mixed in his coffee.

Shog9

@Catija for... cold brew?

Catija

No, I think it actually has a heating element so that it behaves like an actual Keurig.

Shog9

@SonicWizard probably more of an oversight

Catija

geappliances.com/ge/refrigerators/keurig.htm

Shog9

though I'm not really sure how we could fix that

Sonic Wizard

11:17 PM

K-Cups are not recyclable

@Shog9 We already extend the review limit for users who want to review an edit to their own post, but would otherwise be unable to due to the limit

user315433

The plastic covers that pretty much everyone gets for their drip coffee cup are in principle recyclable, but .... never in practice.

Sonic Wizard

If you care for the environment, might I suggest you go for a Flavia machine

Shog9

@Catija huh. Hot water too.

hot water over grounds does not require much in the way of waste

and your garden or potted plants will appreciate the grounds themselves

@SonicWizard so... If you care about the environment...

Catija

Yep. I think they came out with this version shortly after we bought ours (it had been returned, so we got it at a good discount... fridges are expensive!)

Sonic Wizard

The drink pouches are fully recyclable, plus the coffee comes straight out of the pouch into the cup, because the machine operates by pumping hot water into the pouch, which tears a hole in the bottom, and the bottom of the pouch is itself the spout

Catija

11:21 PM

Or... just use a drip coffee machine and either a permanent or biodegradable filter?

Sonic Wizard

Actually, I care even more for the environment. I don't drink coffee at all.

Shog9

only beer, eh?

To each their own

Sonic Wizard

@Shog9 I'm a teetotaler

Catija

Right now, I can't even stand the smell of coffee.

Sonic Wizard

The last time I drank a hot caffeinated beverage was on a plane, when I was given tea on the captain's dime because of my flight log

Shog9

11:23 PM

@SonicWizard mmm.... tea

don't know if I'll ever get around to it, but building a walk-in fridge w/ thick foam insulated walls and a modified window a/c for a cooler always struck me as a more efficient setup than these boxes where all the cold air falls out the bottom when you open the door.

also a good place to sit and think

Sonic Wizard

@Shog9 Go to Costco

They have one of those in most stores

Shog9

yes, Costco is also a good place to sit and think

they have snacks

Sonic Wizard

The Fresh Produce section, and in some stores the Dairy section is a walk-in refrigerator

Shog9

yup

Catija