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12:28 AM

@ShadowWizard I think Tom's kinda always been the "overall" SRE guy.

His role didn't quite exist - its a bit like how they're getting a directory of security.

(also, he literally wrote the book on being a sysadmin ;p)

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12:45 AM

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not sure whether mean to be snake, legless lizard and giant worm

1:16 AM

or a swedish lion headed snakehead dish.

1:53 AM

woah... beta site... so white?

or is this my monitor de-calibrating itself...

?

just a problem with the cable...

A: How accurate are users with their spam flags?

2:09 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Windows 8 CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED by Sophie Ellison on superuser.com

user315433

2:51 AM

Sure, users raise spam flags with little understanding of what they are for, no surprise there.

user315433

But I suppose those are isolated flags (one on a post), no chance to result in deletion.

user315433

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Two bits of information are pretty easy to get here; the rest I'm going to skip for the time being as it's gonna take more time than I have to retrieve. Helpful flags This is pretty self-explanatory: if a flag was marked helpful, it counts; if it wasn't, it doesn't. Spam flags can be marked he...

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The familiar spam magnets are where flaggers are accurate, the flaggers being Charcoal for the most part.

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3:10 AM

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A: Is the universe linear? If so, why?

The universe is cyclic. Not linear. Life is a chain of DNA RNA cyclic .THE CIRCLE of life. Plato's Timaeus creation of the universe, god is the nucleus. Intelligence compared nuerospora, to death of core of supergiants. Universe compared to MEIOSIS!

5:06 AM

International Women's Day!

user202362

5:28 AM

U really where u claim 2 b?

user202362

Holes, I c 'em

user315433

6:02 AM

I like the version with Bill Murray as Polonius, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(2000_film)

6:21 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Mathematica 10 installs but won't start on Windows 7 by Kenna on mathematica.SE

@HTTP what about it? Ideally, women won't need a special day to show their power... unless there will also be "Men's Day", "Non-gender-specific's Day" etc. But yeah... such day is still needed, I guess.

@Taryn oh. It's just that he used to post all the previous maintenance announcements on MSE. :)

6:51 AM

@ShadowWizard well, I didn't expect such.. protests on some countries...

@ShadowWizard There is a men's day in November

buh... long time user on SO, with 5k rep... has no clue what answers are for. Pity.

@NogShine oh. lol. Nice! So guess we can keep those days going for everything, for good.

Q: How to tactfully acknowledge a woman on Women's Day?

@ShadowWizard It is on November 19.

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Today is International Women's Day and I would like to tell the women who are around me and affect me "Happy Women's Day" as a gesture of appreciation of what they doing, they can be from my family or work or a friend or an internet friend. Because I believe that they are as strong as any men and...

awkward-situations

@ShadowWizard and also women's day is not about congratulating women or a special day. It is a day when a great movement was started by women for their equality and rights. That movement sparkled Russian revolution. Due to change in the calender to Gregorian, that date fell on March 8. That is the reason we celebrate women's day

theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/…

7:14 AM

@NogShine this is insightful, and makes sense! It reminds me of my country's national heroine, Kartini

(there's also Kartini Day, but the explanation on Wikipedia is a bit... off)

user202362

We need more grandma and grandpa barbies

user202362

coz ... must fight ageism

@HTTP Yeah. These protests are done without knowing the purpose of the day.

@HTTP Thanks for sharing. Do you celebrate Kartini day?

@NogShine yes :)

user202362

Shakespeare never had any troll character in his books

7:29 AM

I wonder why...

user202362

that's why his books don't bring people happiness

del-votes-needed SubTotal and Swing meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307758/…, meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307759/creating-subtotal @Bart @rene @JourneymanGeek @TravisJ

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also hamlet sounds like a very good breakfast dish - ham + Omelette

@TelautonomousKitty it's also the name of a big comapny in Israel we work with

user202362

technology company?

7:34 AM

ham-let.com

@ShadowWizard done the needful.

@JourneymanGeek thanks!

One more for the other...

@ShadowWizard dosen't sound very kosher :p

@JourneymanGeek rofl, never thought of that!

@TelautonomousKitty he wrote plays.

user202362

7:35 AM

mostly tragedy

it's a tragedy when someone wrote a tragedy?

People love to see tragedy and sympathise with it... see IPS... ;)

InterPersonalSympathy.SE

user315433

8:03 AM

Hamlet 2000 is often more on the comedy side, since the action takes place in modern day, but the dialog is used verbatim (with strategic cuts).

user315433

Seasoned Advice could be called Stack Overflow for Meats

user202362

not vegetarian friendly enough

@FTP we also need Stack Overflow for Meets then

and certainly Meats for Stack Overflowers

user315433

8:18 AM

Metas for Stack Overflow

current trending buzzwordnow is "blockchain". They are regarded as the new silver bullet to sell to clients, even when lacking on field expertise on their usage.

Q: Would having a romantic relationship matching feature be worthwhile?

Also Chicken Overflow might fit

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I'm not personally interested in such a feature, but I just want to put forth the idea of an optional, possibly monetize-able, romantic relationship matching feature for SE users. Is this a bad idea? If so, why not?

feature-request status-declined

@Derpy thankfully, we almost used a certain blockchain tech, but decided not to because ~~it's not feasible~~ nobody understood it.

and in the meantime, first articles are starting to pop up written by cryptography experts .... warning people that quantum computing is starting to become viable so this is is the moment to seriously start thinking how to handle post quantum encryption.

Feb 13 at 7:17, by Shadow Wizard

@SensibleAlexander anything with blockchain will work these days, even cats.

8:22 AM

obviously, no one will listen to their warnings.

Will be fun to see what will happen if quantum computing will really become a thing in about 3-4 years....

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dilbert.com/strip/2011-01-07 s/cloud/blockchain/

@Derpy I doubt ordinary hackers will get quantum computers any time soon, more likely only governments will, or already have.

@HTTP DEVELOPERS ARE MADE OF MEAT!

@ShadowWizard well, if you really want, there are already quantum based cloud elaboration services

user315433

9:08 AM

On Esperanto Language there were 8 spam flags, none of them helpful. Possible explanation: there is no word for "spam" in Esperanto. (?)

user315433

It's the only site with 0% helpful spam flags.

@FTP or spammers get confused.

9:33 AM

@FTP It's a translation site... (link to MS)

9:49 AM

@ShadowWizard all gone

10:50 AM

New game: reverse WAG.

@rene Find the association between your message and the picture I posted :P

11:21 AM

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307766/…

Taryn

11:36 AM

@ShadowWizard Well since the maintenance is only on the database servers which are my little babies, I went ahead and posted it.

NEWS FLASH: StackExchanges employs baby penguins as database servers!

I already knew that youtube uses high trained monkeys, but it seems that the SE staff has gone far beyond that :P

user202362

11:54 AM

I can totally imagine a bird giving birth and hatching little baby database servers. Totally ...

Magisch

12:13 PM

@Taryn I picture little blue feeted birds with "Mssql database instance" written on them

:D

12:52 PM

^ this came from the Oracle blog.

Yep, no blue feet but still...

Jakarta EE... JavaFX...

Is that a standard on SE to reply by avoiding the original question?

This is the third disputed tag that ends in a NAA post not getting deleted as it deserves.

well, borderline answer is an answer, but without link it's hard to judge...

A: Why does ui-grid pagination look so crooked?

Disclaimer: the other answer is mine, so fell free to say "you are trying to remove competition" or other similar nonsense :P

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If you don't need this pagination controls, you can hide this by add enablePaginationControls false in gridOptions. And can use other components like 'uib-pagination' for external pagination.

Question: why is the default pagination so crooked up?
Answer: don't use it.

In my world this does not relate - it nowhere explains what the user asked.

Also, from my answer you can clearly see that there was an actual reason for the pagination to be crooked - missing .css classes.

The pagination isn't supposed to look that way, so an answer "don't use it because it looks bad OOB" doesn't apply and doesn't help the user understanding the issue.

1:08 PM

according to the rep history, the user couldn't comment at that time... but anyway... from someone who doesn't have a knowledge, it's still look like an answer: don't use it, use the alternative. Yes, it's probably a bad apple, but it's still an apple...

Magisch

@JeremyBanks sounds like a scam

@HTTP So if I add an answer to that same question stating to "Switch to WPF instead" it is still an answer? Come on....

Please also notice that the question asker has replied to the answer by restating the original question : why does the default pagination not look like the samples on the site so that is the answer he seeks, not an alternative.

> The answer you flagged looks like an answer, and because moderators do not evaluate answers for technical veracity, there's no reasonable way that they can approve such flags on the basis of question content and answer context. NAA flags are simply not designed to do that. -- Sanity check on NAA flag?

To be fully fair, the question is formulated in a way that gives no indication that he needs an alternative. The user could already have switched to a different approach and be asking the question just for learning purpose / future reference.

@HTTP so, basically, this means that "the interface is bad, people does not fully review the context before handling the flag so provide the context yourself".

Ok, will try that then out of fun.

But let me say that when I go to any of the review queues the system expect me to understand the full picture or just press skip if I can't make a thoughtful choice.

I expect flags are handled the same way.

Well, I agree that the current flagging system is not without flaws

If you had commented like "this doesn't really answer the question because [blabla]", then you'd probably have a better chance, but still... not a sure-fire.

1:23 PM

As I said, raised custom flag. Expecting it to get declined too, will let you know in 6-8 months when it gets handled.

1:47 PM

other weird question. www.example.com is a canonical example url to be used in documentation papers and the such

doing a get request to the url will complete

is there a canonical url that would make a $http.get promise end up in a failure?

(I guess I may ask on SE, but I can already see someone answering to just use a non-existing url, which is not the point).

I just realized they have... secret pages? example.com/40 (error) example.com/404 (html source)

Some pages return error... but the URL pattern seems random

2:32 PM

@Derpy or mods don't know everything

a textbook NAA is something like "I like oranges" in a SOFU question...

weird.

It has wrong tags

it has free hand circles.

it has TROGDOR!

I expected stars. Also, Fluttershy is best pony

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Opening mdb files in Ubuntu by Sarah Reinhardt on superuser.com

mwhahahaha.

the evil plan worked.

John Dvorak

3:37 PM

ugh... it seems you can't upvote comments in channels. Is that a known bug?

any rep requirement?

John Dvorak

Privileges lists everything except bounties at 1 rep

Tim Post

3:56 PM

@JohnDvorak Yeah, it sounds like a bug (I just tested in our internal channel)

Stack Exchange - we're now a TV production company that brings you the bug channel!

Stack Overflow TV...

don't even go there

@Feeds Cloud Service?

@JohnDvorak the closest bug report is Ability to flag comments? Everything related to comment seems buggy?

(I haven't joined any channel, so I don't know)

user315433

4:12 PM

> It's only my fear of arrest that's stopping me from going to a random 7-11 and singing WHAM hits in a falsetto as loudly as I can. It's just that kind of a day. -- Tim Post at 7:59 AM - 9 Mar 2018

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Yes, that would likely result in arrest. Charge: "picked a wrong band for falsetto demonstration".

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Bee Gees - Tragedy

►

Tim Post

But what if they can't tell by the way I use my walk? DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT?

Q: Given any user- how to find out for which all tags he/she is the top user?

5:00 PM

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Each of the tags have top users, an asker and an answerer. For example, for the mythology tag, Keshav Srinivashan is the top answerer as well as the top asker. Similarly, for the scripture tag, Tezz is the top answerer as well as the asker. Now, Tezz is also the top answerer for the Purana tag...

support tags search users

Is there a way to find this? ^

SEDE?

Q: Is it possible to get tag-wise distribution of the votes that i have cast on questions?

it gives top tags of a user by not which tags a user is top.

and this one also.

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So, i basically want to know what percent of my upvotes were cast on questions that are tagged with a particular tag say-X, and what percent of my downvotes are similarly cast for questions tagged with a particular tag. Is it possible to generate such data?

discussion tags votes

AFAIK, This is not possible. Is it? ^

Shouldn't be. That could be problematic. As far as I'm aware, data about votes isn't stored anywhere publicly.

Yes, data about votes cast should not be made public. So, I wrote impossible in answer. That got no love.

6:49 PM

@Catija the votes themselves are stored and available in the votes table, but creationdate (only date part stored) and userid are sanitized

7:02 PM

@rene I have also seen a user who posts troll comments and rude messages. He self deletes them before someone flags and mod arrives. The reason he gives for self deletion is they don't want anyone to reply to those messages. So he deletes them.

Flag them anyway...

I mean... flag something else with a custom flag and explain what's going on.

If the content is rude or trolling, the mods can still see what the messages said.

Does that flag go to all site mods or only the site moderator?

All sites. All chat flags go to all site mods.

... on the chat.se server... here they go to the CMs only and on SO they go to the SO mods only.

But site mods can see who flagged right?

Any mod can see who cast a custom mod flag.

Site mods can see who cast a r/a flag but only if they're in the room while the flag is un-handled.

7:13 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: Possible to change email address in keypair? by John Parker on serverfault.com

7:25 PM

@Shog9 When was the "too many answers" message thresholds changed to 5 answers on Software Engineering?

@NogShine Flag one of their posts for moderator attention and explain the situation, so they can investigate.

@Catija I drove to the Austin airport yesterday to watch some planes. There was so much traffic that Google prompted me to take a turn onto an internal road to save a few minutes, and then after that there was a change in the traffic pattern that it was confused by

Q: Adjustments to some automated moderator flags

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The Stack Exchange platform has automatic triggers in place based on number of answers, number of answers per unit of time, answers from new users per day, answers from new users that get deleted, number of answers, and number of answers per time period. Some actions deliver moderator flags while...

feature-request status-completed flagging moderator-tools

January 17th

By the way, I found that by searching "[feature-request] answer 5 change"

@Ano good question. I couldn't find it, but here is a SE.SE question with 6 answers where you can verify that I'm right :) — Glorfindel 10 mins ago

Glorfindel

thanks Catija

I only searched for "Answer this question" (the title of the button)

Sure :)

7:42 PM

@NogShine just kick and warn. It is extremely annoying, specially when I read back the transcript as an RO and I then have to check every frigging message to see what was posted. My stance: if you can't bare that message being in the transcript, don't click send in the first place. And that is what I tell those users that have a habit to delete messages after posting.

@rene There's a script that will show you deleted messages inline. I'm not sure if it works for ROs, though.

@Catija yeah, I have that installed, makes life a bit easier, but still ...

No arguments there. I said the same you did :P Flagging is the key.

You can't kick and warn if you're not a RO.

And if they don't learn, you'll eventually need a mod to suspend from chat.

@Catija No arguments? Who are you to decide that? youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

@Catija yeah, that is true, but at least they can raise the issue so an RO can step in.

:D

8:17 PM

So @ShadowWizard you don't want to discuss The Netherlands?

8:34 PM

oops lol

@Derpy I doubt how "quantum" they really are... more likely they're using it just as a buzzword.

@rene sure I want! retracting close vote, upvoting :P

good!

@Taryn good thinking! And surely the shiny rep you gain from it also doesn't hurt... ;)

Just received an "Other" response, but no ping with the suggested username. @Derpy was that you?

Q: 1 rep user requesting access to a gallery chatroom

10:44 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Reno

11:22 PM

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I'm a RO of a gallery chatroom, and for whatever reason a 1 rep user requested access to the room. For those who don't see why that is a problem, the request itself isn't. Except you need 20 rep to chat and there is still no way to allow < 20 rep users to chat. I clicked on the dialog when it po...

bug chat

why is this still a thing