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user315433

00:16

jaSO got the 3rd pro tem mod, suggesting they are not graduating any time soon.

user202362

01:31

sometimes I feel my purpose here is manually keeping certain chats alive :p

Shog9

02:09

Yup.

JamesENL

02:54

I feel that with other chats sometimes

jadarnel27

03:31

I kept that anti moderator room going for a while. I mean, uh, NOT anti moderator room.

Shog9

I question your dedication to not anti moderation

jadarnel27

How dare you.

I'm totally dedicated. I just got distracted for 5 or 6 hundred days.

user202362

04:36

I would like the ownership of this room @Shog9

user202362

05:32

tripleee

@Telkitty "covfefe"?

user202362

Sagar V

08:34

lol

Derpy

08:51

Derpy

09:07

@bjb568 ALARM CODE RED - Rival cat spotted in the room. This is not a drill.

Sagar V

10:08

cv-pls

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Q: SMTP -> ERROR: Failed to connect to server: Connection refused (111) ! Suggest anyone if can

"; $body .= "Name: ".$name1.""; $body .= "Email: ".$email1.""; $body .= "Telephone: ".$no1.""; $body .= "Message: ".$message1.""; error_reporting(E_STRICT); require_once('smtp/class.phpmailer.php'); $mail = new PHPMailer(); // create a new o...

feature-request

CC @rene @sha @pro

hmm created an account only to flag that

Shadow Wizard

10:27

@SagarV better not ping @Pro for this, he never asked to be pinged with OT questions.

Inc.

10:51

legit question

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard Ok. will keep it in mind

there is some issue with area51 discussions

/CC @Oded

Shadow Wizard

11:20

@SagarV yes wrong address

area51.meta.stackexchange.com

Sagar V

A link redirected me to there

probably a bug

think I should raise a bug

S S

11:43

Is there a question or guidelines on the site "How does tagging work?" similar to "How does flagging work?"

cazc_941

Does anybody but Bart actually listen to my stuff cause if it's annoying I can stop doing it

Moskva-Kassiopeya — Jupiter (Full EP) [Russian Synthwave]

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Today's Listening

Sagar V

12:01

@ShadowWizard issue raised

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Q: Profile link not working for Area51 users in chat

I recently tried to visit a person's profile from chat room. I clicked the link to his profile(points to area51) and the link is dead. The link points to discuss.area51.stackexchange.com and the link should be area51.meta.stackexchange.com (as pointed by Shadow Wizard in Tavern on meta). Thi...

bug profile-page area51 hyperlinks

Oded is here. I believe he have seen it already

user310756

@SS that's a good question meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298223/…

S S

@YvetteColomb Wow!! I was looking for something and this is helpful. Thanks and +1

user310756

@SS I totally understand

user310756

@SS I also asked this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/207192/…

user310756

I know these could be considered on topic for webmasters, but I wanted a clarity for the actually site, so when people ask, just as you did, we have a link

Derpy

12:32

Bad Idea of the Day: We all know the fundamental pattern of code reuse, also known as Copy&Paste. So, why don't we create an IDE plugin that maintains a trace of the source of the copied code and proceeds to update the copy every time the original is modified WITHOUT alerting the user?

Since we already have Resharper, a name like Recrasher may be an idea...

S S

And I also wanted to know if tagging questions according to answers is allowed. I have seen this question. Is this allowed ?

At what circumstances, we can tag questions based on answers?

Shadow Wizard

12:57

@SagarV cheers!

@cazc_941 well, admit I don't always listen, but it is far from annoying, please keep posting! :)

Sagar V

I give special credits to you in the post :-)

Shadow Wizard

feeling special

Inc.

@SS there's another meta post on MSO, and the community seems to accept retagging based on the accepted answer, but still, the line is not clear.

Oded

@SagarV is is area51.meta.stackexchange.com now

Sagar V

@Oded it is a link from chat profile

an issue is raised in mse about this

this happens when their main profile is area51

Oded

13:08

Then whomever is on bug duty will see it and deal with it. There is really no need to ping me in chat about every single bug that is raised on MSE/MSO, @SagarV

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Sagar V

I think you missed area51 links in chat while converting meta.x.se to x.meta.se

@Oded hmm. First I pinged you because I didn't really knew this is a link issue

Then shadow wizard told that it's a link issue

then only I raised issue there

First I think it is an issue with your certificate

Oded

I wasn't involved in any of that project (in particular not any of the URL rewriting). So I didn't miss anything. There are ~40 developers at Stack Overflow.

Inc.

@SagarV Curious. Why haven't you pinged anyone other than Oded?

Oded

I really don't understand why you feel the need to ping me daily (if not multiple times a day).

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Sagar V

Oded is always here

Oded

13:10

I guess I need to leave.

Sagar V

no don't go

oded, is there a magic link for site list

like [sites] or [site]

the above 2 is not working in comments

Oded

Then stop pinging me about every little thing that happens. There's meta. One opens bugs there. That should be enough - unless there's something urgent (which non of the things you have pinged me about are).

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@SagarV no.

Feeds

For the final exam, you take a screenshot showing off all the work you've done in the class, and it has to survive being uploaded, thumbnailed, and re-screenshotted through a chain of social media sites.

user202362

13:33

@Inc. As a newbie, I would keep on messaging whoever replies to me too ~_~

user310756

14:02

@Derpy that's hilarious

user310756

14:15

@Telkitty I'm so tempted to ping oded, but he's too fed up to enjoy the joke

Oded

@YvetteColomb but I am always watching.

user310756

@Oded lolol that was funny.

Sagar V

@Oded the reason I ping you always is you are the only dev in SO I interacted multiple times(may be a 100) in MSO and MSE

I am not familiar with any others.

Inc.

But you don't have to ping any SE devs after posting meta posts... unless it's very urgent.

user310756

@SagarV you are probably driving him crazy, as people like Oded are very busy

Sagar V

14:25

@Inc. No, I didn't pinged after meta post. I pinged him before meta post.

If this is a small issue, then I don't have to raise a meta post

but since shadow said that, it is a bug and then I raised it in meta

Inc.

Even the smallest issue such as plural is always posted on meta.

bluefeet

@SagarV Everyone is busy and pinging them means, they'd have to drop whatever they are doing to investigate something you think is urgent.

user202362

I got bitten by a cat because I went to pet the cat - it's the only cat I see multiple times a day

Sagar V

@Telkitty sarcasm level : master

user310756

@Telkitty hello there :) we obviously have nothing better to do on a Friday night

Sagar V

14:33

@YvetteColomb I think it is a sarcasm targeting me

user202362

@YvetteColomb I should be in bed soon ... with that said, same with you :p

user310756

I know. I will hop into bed and listen to another lecture @Telkitty

Oded

@YvetteColomb more this:

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user310756

I will contact you next week? and we can meet up for a coffee @Telkitty what sort of time of day suits you?

user310756

@Oded oh yes! and any programmer who works at home and has children knows that to the nth degree O>O

Oded

14:35

Speaking of, the little tykes are due back from school any minute.

Bye bye productivity

Sagar V

So, the pings are main cause of bugs

!!blame pings

user310756

that's why I'm often up late, it's the time of least interruptions

canon

@bluefeet just flag everything as spam instead of pinging people. Fair trade.

bluefeet

my banning finger is getting twitchy

canon

Birds don't have fingers.

user310756

14:46

just share the pings around - if they are truly necessary or if you have a great picture of cats

user310756

canon

I stand corrected

Sagar V

@canon they do

user310756

@canon she has big blue feet, she doesn't need fingers

user310756

good night all \o

Sagar V

14:48

narrow it from birds to some sub category

canon

@YvetteColomb She? There's no gender at SE. It's some weird, androgynous future-world with white onsesies.

user310756

lmao too funny - now I really must go @canon

Sagar V

@canon it is she

It is listed in the blog post in which Josh (shog9) announced that she is stepped up from SO mod to CM

canon

Ping Oded to tell him you just murdered a joke.

Turn yourself in.

user315433

15:13

Game Development is 7 years old today. Top question of last year: Why is it so bad to optimize too early?

user315433

Also, Code Review graduated 2 years ago today. Top Q of last year: Dijkstra path finding in C# is 15x slower than C++ version

user315433

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A: Clouds not moving in NASA 360 degree Earth video

Ok your scientific jargon cannot dispute the fact that this is clearly fake animation. PERIOD! The majority of NASA images are fake. No the clouds don't move. Please give us more scientific mumbo jumbo on why they faked the photo of earth in 1969 please. We know...they faked the whole thing check...

canon

15:31

@Alex hah

user315433

For once, an interesting article in daily Google Scholar alerts: Geometrical Model of Lemon Fruit

user315433

Looks like Google is going to migrate 2FA users to its Google Prompt system...

canon

15:58

I want two-step verification for credit card purchases

Also, valid concern? meta.stackoverflow.com/a/352256/621962

user315433

Eh. If it's something more than 1 person in 1 company needs, it will get asked on SO in public.

canon

and the answer will languish in its walled garden

user315433

Is there concern that people helping a co-worker by going to their office and talking to them will damage SO?

canon

No, but there's a concern that people who would have otherwise used SO public might relegate their activity to private

to be honest, it would probably be a much more pleasant experience

nobody downvoting or forcing you to conform to rules

user315433

You can have this kind of experience right now on ExpressionEngine® Answers

user315433

16:02

Nobody is downvoting or forcing anyone, or doing anything at all.

user315433

Pleasant?

Inc.

Now that you mention it... it might be possible to have "Newbie Channel" (oh god no...)

@Alex I kind of like it. At least for Google services...

user315433

Also, consider how easy it is to disengage from "please help me some more... and more... and more..." users in public SO, vs doing the same to a colleague whom you'll meet later in a hallway.

bjb568

@Derpy :3

user315433

The "Let's continue this discussion in chat" link is a sort of a Channel. And I never want to click that, lest I get trapped in a room with someone, and have to jump out of window to escape the awkward situation.

user315433

16:09

FR: rename "Let's continue this discussion in chat" to "We need to talk"

user315433

16:28

How I got a job at Stack Overflow by Gervasio Marchand - a post from January, not sure it was noticed here.

cazc_941

16:46

@Shog9 is topicality of default chat rooms intended to be somewhat enforced?

Like the general chat for a given site

Wondered if there's an actual SE opinion on the matter, perhaps for things like encouraging new users to join in the discussion with a dedicated spot

user315433

17:55

@Inc. Looks like Q should be closed OT

cazc_941

18:25

Guess he's busy

Or I'm on a no-contact list or something

Hue. Wonder if such a thing exists

Inc.

18:38

@cazc_941 if I understood your concern... I think every site has to have 1 chat room for general discussion related to the topic ofthe site. However, users with enough privilege can create chat room under that site, if it's useful and still related to some discussion on the site (e.g. meta discussion, mod waiting room, specific event on the site, etc)

Steven Vascellaro

Ever have a question you can't believe nobody has asked before?

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Q: How do I hide a community from my network profile?

I want to hide an account from my network profile. I would like to reference my Stack Exchange profile in a professional setting. I do not want one of my accounts publically displayed for employers to see. I've heard that it's possible to add accounts to a list of hidden communities, but I hav...

support profile-page network-profile hidden-communities

cazc_941

@Inc. right but is that supposed to be actually like enforced

If a general chat has become off topic, is that a problem?

Inc.

@StevenVascellaro dupe of one of questions tagged with hidden-communities

bjb568

I'm finally really getting going with making a conlang.

Steven Vascellaro

Huh. I'm surprised I missed that one

Inc.

18:48

@cazc_941 I think it's up to their community & RO. If they're okay with it, then.. move on? But a new visitor might get confused and get into flagging spree, while RO says that it's not "off-topic", and come a drama.

Steven Vascellaro

The only time I've ever been confused about room topics is StackOverflow, since they don't seem to have a room for "General" discussion

Inc.

cough C++ <Lounge> cough

Steven Vascellaro

If that is the general chat, it's really not apparent. :P

Inc.

@bjb568 waiting for complete bjblang :)

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Q: Lounge C++ frozen by mod?

Seriously why is Lounge C++ being frozen by Mod Gordon? I mean really? Because we're not on-topic?

discussion chat

Shog9

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/5

theeere we go

Inc.

18:58

RIP.

canon

@Shog9 was it the snack budget?

Shog9

This is just a better tavern

Jason occasionally cleans the lines, so we can confidently advertise 58% less listeria in our beer than other, lesser, taverns

canon

I like yeast buildup

bjb568

Universal Declaration of Human Rights: ni lo kon gi po ka ju ni
--- Here's the first line:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice, and peace in the world,
da ffu ju dsso ga bo ga dssints biñ neñ ru ju ffin ffuts ju ni ffe bu li neñ tu yu ni buts ra bu lo kon be kets neñ buts
Word-for-word: because so-that [all action and equals and inactive opposer exist thru all place] all animal see that [liker exist-to deeply all animal] and that [liked need equal not-end exist]

canon

needs must chew one's beer

bjb568

19:01

Every word is
- a starter: b, p, d, t, k, g, m, n, f, ff, c, cc, s, ss, r, w, l, j, dss
- a vowel: a, e, i, o, u
- an ending: -, -n, -ñ, -tc, -ts

Shog9

I have a bit of trouble with anything that suggests humans have inherent dignity

if you can put eyes on a new human and say without a trace of irony, "That's some dignity right there"... you may be confusing dignity with a different word, like "loud" or "afterbirth"

Inc.

@bjb568 uhhh, okay. waiting for the dictionary

bjb568

a words are interjections, pronouns, particles, tense markers, etc.
e are verbs
i are the doers of the verbs (1)
o are objects (2)
ui diphthong are the receivers (3)
u are some adverbs and phrase delimiter things
Grammar is (1)? TENSE+ V+ (2)? (3)?

@Inc. I'll publish it on github.

Inc.

oh, and also A51 proposal.

Shog9

> Whereas recognition of the inherent cruelty and of the tendency toward selfish and bestial acts of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

There, that's better.

Damned oxford commas.

bjb568

19:08

I specifically edited in the oxford comma.

Shog9

See above about inherent cruelty

bjb568

@Inc. github.com/bjb568/bjblang

Obviously it'll need some expanding.

lo kon is literally "liked need", but I'm just going to make it mean right. So some things are made by combining smaller things. I just need to figure out what base words I need to add.

Inc.

@bjb568 jen ta (thank you)

bjb568

"makes me a gas"
o_0 kat is water bag, not gas

ɥʇǝS

19:28

Ugly giant bags of mostly water

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Travis J

@Shog9 (re: inherent dignity) Isn't that along the lines of the presumption of innocence. Especially when considering just any human, and even more so one just born, why shouldn't they deserve respect? I agree that they may not be composed, as is also a definition of dignity, but in general I believe that was regarding "the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect" - in which case, don't we all deserve that until proven unworthy?

Shog9

@TravisJ do we?

Travis J

If we purport to be civilized or part of a society we do.

Shog9

Or perhaps more to the point: is this an inherent trait, or something we must collectively agree on in order for it to be in any way true?

Travis J

Yes, in that sense it is the latter.

bjb568

19:35

I translated it as the latter, as in "everyone has somebody who likes them".

Travis J

Morally though, which does play into the collective approach, it is the right way to go.

Don't get me wrong though, just because someone should start out deserving respect doesn't mean that is where they end up.

Shog9

To put it another way... Do you, removed from society, from the company of other humans, have any inherent trait that might be recognized as dignity?

As compared to, say, a fox. Or a large rock.

canon

I'm pretty sure I have shame, even in isolation

Travis J

Yes, a rock, or even a fox, does not have compassion.

cazc_941

@Shog9 I cover myself

bjb568

19:38

I can have dignity in isolation, but only because I'm taught about it as a social construct and in myself play the role of society.

Shog9

scissors beats paper

canon

@cazc_941 presumably, because you were raised in some type of shame-based religion

Travis J

Hm, I take that back. Fox's probably are compassionate at times, but rocks certainly are not.

lol @canon

Why can't foxes, or even rocks for that matter, be dignified?

canon

Lions have a dignified austerity, imo

Travis J

bjb568

19:40

We can assign them dignity, or a framework for which they can earn dignity, but unless they have the consciousness to apply it to themselves, they won't have it in isolation.

canon

Shog9

@TravisJ almost certainly not inherent

dignity endowed by druids

Travis J

but those are some cool rocks though

Shog9

would they be cool if they were still, uh, attached to one another and not cut from the place of their birth and wrenched out onto the plain to be erected, naked and unprotected, as a monument to a long-forgotten civilization?

Travis J

Why?

How is that any different than altering the source of energy that we constantly use, powering the pixels of this text and the wires which carry the packets?

canon

19:47

wait, did the drinking start already?

Travis J

It could have? Apparently dignity is in decline:

canon

it all went to hell with duckface selfies

Travis J

hah

blue steel

canon

magnum

cazc_941

@canon good point

bluefeet

19:54

@Andy You might need to tweak your comment bot.

Inc.

@bluefeet awesome

canon

@cazc_941 I'm rather disappointed you weren't referring to this.

cazc_941

I mean I like magnums too but I wasn't really following

Or... Oops.

Whatever

canon

@cazc_941 forever starred

bjb568

@bluefeet Yay, a change made that is actually good!

user315433

20:11

I have a couple of pending too chatty flags, the change didn't invalidate them. \o/

bluefeet

they will be handled in time

cazc_941

@canon ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Aaron Hall

and another week has gone by...

happy time.

canon

20:31

My company's doing a St. Baldric's thing today

shaving heads for charity

nice to work from home....

Travis J

That's honorable

user315433

There's real honor in working from home, yes.

Aaron Hall

Not gonna shave my hair...

Travis J

It seems that St. Baldrick's doesn't actually accept hair donations though. They will help you to remove the hair at an event, but generally they require you to sell your shaved hair to a third party and then donate the result. It seems that you could perhaps "cut out" the middle man? ;)

canon

I budget for one charity per year

generally I donate to child's play

Travis J

20:44

I donated $50 to baldricks :D No hair though

Andy

@bluefeet Awesome. I have something to work on on Sunday.

Aaron Hall

oh hey, looks like new comment ui... I wonder if I was the squeaky wheel here...

user315433

@Andy It should be as simple as remapping options 1, 2, and 3 to option 1. (I don't know if you used 1="not constructive" originally.)

bluefeet

@AaronHall I know you like to take credit for everything but this has been in the works for a long time.

user315433

It's all because of rene's highly voted question for mods.

Aaron Hall

20:52

Inspired in all probability by my direction to avoid use of "Not Constructive"...

which I reiterated in a comment on said question.

leads from in front :P

Travis J

Are you sure? It seems like it all started a long time ago, in an exchange not too far from here

bluefeet

@TravisJ he's probably been complaining that long :P

Travis J

Since you brought it up, my independent research contradicts such a claim, indicating that reputation was the primary focus of Mr. Hall during that time period. ;)

At over 15000, I'm now in the 98th %ile and thus the top 2%, as of a few days ago. — Aaron Hall Apr 24 '15 at 13:36

Aaron Hall

21:14

Hey, I can multitask.

I still obsess over my reputation score - I just don't talk about it. :P

Travis J

;)

Aaron Hall

The downside of writing your spouse's resume in LaTeX is the maintenance burden...

Travis J

Clearly you should write an entire application for it.

Aaron Hall

clearly

Don't think I didn't already think of that

user315433

21:21

Email me when someone emails me. From twitter.com/settings/notifications

Aaron Hall

It ought to be an emacs plugin that uses orgmode, in fact...

Travis J

Make sure its multi platform in case in the future she switches devices or platforms

@Alex Does that, uh, create an infinite loop?

user315433

Don't know, I'm too afraid to check that box.

Aaron Hall

@TravisJ emacs works on everything, even my android tablet. :)

Travis J

interesting

I have no experience using emacs

bjb568

21:41

I only have experience using vim, but that's just because I can't exit it.

cazc_941

@AaronHall Not Constructive is probably the one I use the most. Usually for people who are just complaining

Braiam

I think that the cache invalidation doesn't work anymore @Shog, it doesn't show the hot meta post for anything in the world.

Shog9

... what

Braiam

SO don't have hot meta post since you featured the new comment flag ui support question.

You "fixed" it by forcing cache invalidation

Shog9

No

rene

21:54

You kicked a server?

Travis J

Right in the cache.

rene

I bet that hurts

bjb568

23:10

> You may only attempt to flag this comment every 3 seconds.

This should say "flag a comment" since it doesn't matter which comment you're trying to flag.

user315433

23:22

Augur reached 100% commitment.

user315433

Does the audience description get automatically copied to the beta site, or is there someone in between to fix the randomly placed commas? "for developers, economists and users interested in the open source, decentralized, prediction market, Augur"

user315433

I vote to relocate one of the extra commas to the spot before "and".

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