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user202362

00:07

It's great to know that there is someone who is more bitter and sour than yourself over a question. An intelligent person might be happier than a dumber counterpart, because she knows that, maybe her answer is deleted, but maybe that stopped her from wasting time on a useless event. Winners of useless events probably just wasted more time and emotions on that useless event. Then I thought about Darwin awards and the winners of the biggest losers.

Jason C

... wat

Lol

user202362

user315433

I don't search for GIFs often, but this place has experts... What animal GIFs best illustrate the process of taking a stand?

Jason C

00:39

user315433

I was thinking something like giphy.com/gifs/cat-jump-6R3YDo1J0Ymoo but the cat would be jumping onto a TV stand, not from it.

Jason C

01:22

@zaq What about bobvila.com/slideshow/…

Oh nm I brain farted to "making a stand".

user315433

01:35

Speaking of farts, Tim Post's answer is at -11 currently.

user202362

people need to learn to move on with life ...

bjb568

02:04

Nick Bostrom

Nick Bostrom (English /ˈbɒstrəm/; Swedish: Niklas Boström, IPA: [ˈbuːˌstrœm]; born 10 March 1973) is a Swedish philosopher at the University of Oxford known for his work on existential risk, the anthropic principle, human enhancement ethics, superintelligence risks, the reversal test, and consequentialism. In 2011, he founded the Oxford Martin Programme on the Impacts of Future Technology, and he is currently the founding director of the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford University. He is the author of over 200 publications, including Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies (2014), a...

dank

qwer

I've been avoiding SO (as a site, not overall company), if that can be considered as moving on...

user315433

Some upbeat pop music to cheer you up...

user315433

Pet Shop Boys - Building A Wall

►

bjb568

mending wall

user315433

02:40

Here's something even more cheerful: new xkcd what-if. How big a hole do I need to dig before people suffocate?.

user315433

02:54

TIL: veg*n means either vegetarian or vegan. From new private beta, Vegetarianism, which is already considering a name change

qwer

Is that the first site with custom beta logo since private beta?

(or perhaps Aviation was the first, but I forgot)

user315433

They are all kind of custom: someone has to choose letter size and position...

qwer

Aside of the usual alphabet-only logo...

user202362

maybe if I can finish fixing these 2 apps in time, I will work with C# again next month

user315433

Aviation had a nice airplane icon in beta, possibly better than the current moustache-favicon. Craft CMS has a different background color.

user202362

03:05

I also need to renovate one of places and build a carport in between

user202362

yellow stone national park, is it too cold in late April?

user315433

The number of pro-tem mods often drops from 3 to 2 without causing any trouble. But Internet of Things is unusual in that it's starting off with 2 mods. This is a first, I think.

qwer

03:20

@Telkitty according to National Park Service, around 1℃~15℃ (assuming late April is May)

user202362

:/ ... when it's warm enough to visit yellow stone park & Seattle, it's too warm for visiting Vegas

user315433

Private betas can be classified by the number of committers at the time of launch. Just over 200 => full of Area 51 regulars, going to be a slooow boooring "typical SE" beta.

user315433

300+ => a lot of new folks, might implode spectacularly, or become something of note.

user315433

Ukrainian Language has 421.

qwer

> However, if you feel that you can't fully represent your question in Ukrainian, feel free to represent it fully or partially in other language.

> Note, that not every member of the site community is be able to understand question in foreign language. While Russian, English and, in some cases, Polish are widely recognized within Ukrainian-speaking Internet community, understanding of other languages may vary.

user315433

03:35

Yeah, it would be interesting to have a language site with non-binary language options.

user315433

Of course, with the current trends we may expect Crimea-themed flame wars on the meta.

bjb568

04:17

@zaq why not just food.SE?

or diet.SE or lifehacks.SE

user315433

Because lifestyle. They may be talking about vegan shoes and whatnot.

qwer

Lifestyle.SE

user315433

But there are... different kinds of lifestyles. Would be pretty hard to manage such a site.

Shog9

I am not optimistic about this site. :(

user315433

Dilbert and vegans: one, two.

user315433

04:29

Is there a site that you are optimistic about?

Shog9

...mechanics?

Yeah. They're ok.

user315433

Have very few moderation-minded users. Maybe that's the key.

Shog9

That means you focus on the problems in front of you instead of looking for new ones.

(not joking. Watch Paulster2)

user315433

Familiar with him. Voted for him despite the appalling lack of downvotes. Maybe that is also a part of their recipe.

user315433

A kinder, gentler site.

Shog9

04:33

The advantage of a good bureaucracy is that once established it sustains itself, even without sufficient support. The disadvantage is that once established it sustains itself, even without sufficient need.

3

user315433

So, how about speeding up the aging of Close Review items even further?

Shog9

...ok, I just said this in another room, but... Gonna go to bed before I insult anyone else.

user315433

To, say, 1 second.

Shog9

...especially myself.

user315433

Is "Never go to bed before insulting each other" one of those things family people put on a fridge?

user315433

04:35

I may be remembering it wrong.

user315433

04:48

in 2017 we witness the memefication of "taking a stand" on SO sites — prusswan 7 mins ago

user315433

Yes, shouldn't be long until "Time to take a stand against [tag]" burnination requests.

user202362

personally I like the great outdoors and physics sites

user202362

but that's probably because I love physics and the great outdoors to start with

user202362

both sites accept rather 'wild' questions

user315433

I'm sorry this is off-topic. Please come ask at The Pitstop. — Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 ♦ Jan 28 at 18:13

user315433

05:02

That's the kinder, gentler moderation of the Mechanics site. Nobody downvoted the question... except me of course.

angussidney

05:23

!!/reboot

Ah, smokey died. Yay!

user315433

Yay!? Are you a spammer?

user315433

I imagine they are celebrating every Smokey crash.

Jon Ericson

@zaq And yet, the quality on that site is exceptional.

user315433

The answered part of it.

user315433

There is also that un- or semi-answerable or maybe-guessable-but-who-knows part.

angussidney

05:28

@zaq I'm about to boot up a copy, 2secs

qwer

!!/alive?

feels like 6-8 seconds

angussidney

Well, 5 mins

user315433

This thing is great: Helping our new users make the transition by Zaid on meta.mechanics.stackexchange.com

user315433

Can't tell how many of those new users read it, though.

Undo

05:59

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

Undo

!!/stappit

SmokeDetector

06:43

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Approaches To Bulk Up Build Muscle Mass Quickly by Floydkeller on drupal.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

07:11

I went to my local Pitstop. I'm in NZ, not USA... — Bevan Jan 28 at 18:19

That what happens when you choose such names for your main chat room. LOL

I mean... come on!

Shadow Wizard

07:28

plz-delete Should have been deleted yesterday already @rene @Bart :/

Bart

07:55

I voted yesterday

M.A.R.

Hey you two, serially give me bounties so I get to 10k rep so I can vote to delete

Shadow Wizard

@Bart so @rene is slacking!

What's the excuse today? Travelling again? ;)

@M.A.R. nope, won't help

> You must wait for a question to be closed for 2 days before you can vote for deletion

anyway....

Say hello to our ancestor! ^

SmokeDetector

08:12

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Retrieve older call history on iphone by JMichael on apple.stackexchange.com

rene

@ShadowWizard now done, and yes, I'm slackimg

Shadow Wizard

@rene cheers! Usually the staff delete those, guess they're all wrapped up with Joel's Stand these days... :/

SE is in State of Emergency

rene

08:50

Yeah, let's not take a stand on that

user202362

Bart

09:10

Such grace

user202362

this is what happens when you mix a princess, a unicorn & a river - princess will mount & ride the unicorn until they reach the deepest part of the river, then the beast will dump the woman there ...

user202362

09:51

~blushing~ I am so romantic </trollololo>

Shadow Wizard

10:35

@Bart Note?

(yeah yeah I know... Can't stop it.... ;))

Bart

status-not-enough-cactus

Derpy

thanks Microsoft. Thanks once again. Not only VS2015 uses an outdated npm version that is uncapable of downloading some packages... you had also to bundle the working version of the npm package tool in the node.js tool... Because you know, you only need npm in node.js projects....

Who could be fool enough to need npm in a.... I don't know... SharePoint project....

why should the SharePoint devs get some love.. they clearly must like pain if they work with SharePoint...

end-of-daily-rant

Bart

Myeah, that's pretty annoying. There are hacky workarounds, but generally you're out of luck without an update from them

Stijn

10:50

@Derpy download your own copy and add it to Visual Studio's bin path with a higher priority than the internal one

that's the commonly used workaround

Bart

^ that ... and then hope that you're not on a large team where you have to inform everyone to do that and keep it up to date

Stijn

Derpy

@Stijn I already did that. But then, you still have to manually import the packages. The cool thing about the Node Tools for VS is that it has a gui for package installation and that resolves dependencies too.

I could still use the Package Installer extension, but that one is pretty primitive in comparison.

Stijn

Ah I see. I only use(d) it in combination with the Task Runner Explorer

to run simple npm build scripts

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Is it possible to take a screenshot in Recovery Mode? by Pradip Hirapara HP on apple.stackexchange.com

Stijn

10:59

MS Access SQL doesn't support comments... how nice

Derpy

@Stijn but it does support special characters like "?" in table columns names

Once I had to follow a db class in my university... the professor used to call every "boolean" type column as if it was a question.

Result: databases columns like "Gender" where turned in eldritch abominations like "IsMale?"

yes, you saw correctly. There is a "?" in the name. The guy never switched to SQL Server. He always used Access.

Stijn

academic programming and professional programming are two different worlds

Derpy

@Stijn problem is - he was supposed to teach us how to do professional programming :P

M.A.R.

8

Q: Shouldn't this site have an open question about the meaning of "the pot calling the kettle black"?

I think so—and it just so happens that we have a candidate that was asked in September 2013: The meaning of the American idiom "pot calling the kettle black". Unfortunately, because the question originally asked for survey-type responses (although none of the answers it drew attempted to respond ...

discussion

Bart

11:14

@Stijn ... I must not rant ...

M.A.R.

This is how to write a meta post.

Shadow Wizard

11:44

@Derpy and VBA?

hiya train in Den

Derpy

@ShadowWizard please.... do not make me remember.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in answer: How should you clean your MacBook Pro? by kishor on superuser.com

Derpy

But .... yes. He used VBA. "Like a boss".

Shadow Wizard

GW-Basic

rene

12:04

:D

Bart

Surely Sinclair BASIC is where it is at

Stijn

I've never heard of either GW-Basic nor Sinclair BASIC

You guys are old!

:)

Bart

Time to take a stand against ageism!

rene

12:19

@Bart you know, normally I would support that but given recent events I'm not standing anywhere.

Bart

I'm still sitting down myself, so yeah ...

Pandya

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@Pandya It's rene's fault.

Bart

Agree

Stijn

@rene You could hold a sit-down protest

user202362

12:21

laying down, on the beach, protesting ... nothing

user202362

Stijn

@Telkitty I'd like to sign up for that

rene

@Pandya fine. I remembers those things. So next time ... ;)

Pandya

lol

rene

Who flagged that? ^%%$$### I did :(

Pandya

12:29

? spam ?

rene

No, I misclicked

Sorry @Telkitty ... didn't mean to flag that ...

user202362

lol

Bart

12:49

Dang, any of you following the Gitlab disaster?

We accidentally deleted production data and might have to restore from backup. Google Doc with live notes https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GCK53YDcBWQveod9kfzW-VCxIABGiryG7_z_6jHdVik/pub

Tweeted by gitlabstatus on February 1, 2017 at 12:44 AM

rene

@Bart I am now ...

do you have stuff hosted there?

Stijn

Somewhat yeah. All I could think of was "how did that person feel when they realized they were deleting the wrong data"

user202362

Bart

@Stijn "That was stupid. Thank god we have back-ups ... what ... you're kidding ..."

Derpy

3

Q: Recovery accidentally deleted Azure VM

I accidentally deleted two Azure VM from Portal. I wish there is some procedure to recovery them. I'm going around in the portal but I cannot find any option, no backup was made and I think that the disks are deleted too. Can you help me?

virtual-machine recovery azure azure-ea-portal

rene

13:06

So in other words, out of 5 backup/replication techniques deployed none are working reliably or set up in the first place

Stijn

let's set up 5 backup methods and never check them...

Bart

"We don’t have solid alerting/paging for when backups fails, we are seeing this in the dev host too now."

qwer

13:28

Even they're live streaming this problem solving

user202362

one of their developers has a dog

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: www.7supplements.org/platinum-xt-1000/ by BhailoKni on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com

Stijn

Have the devs ever thought of integrating some of SmokeDetector? It's awfully good at what it does

rene

13:43

yes, they have and are investigating that

I think GraceNote is in contact with the Charcoal team

user315433

Was alluded to in Let's Plan the Second Iteration of the Stack Exchange Quality Project! by Tim Post on meta.stackexchange.com

user315433

The progress on that project is exactly what one'd expect after watching Community Team for the last couple of years.

user315433

But it's understandable. Stands are not going to take themselves.

Bart

14:00

Hahaha, it really bugs you, doesn't it?

SNAFU

14:17

We are seeing issues with traffic coming through @Level3 near NYC. We are re-routing Stack Overflow traffic to other ISPs in a moment.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on February 1, 2017 at 2:05 PM in reply to Nick_Craver

user315433

@Bart No, I'm just being funny. Glad to make you laugh.

user315433

Can you clarify what role the employees had in the original post? From the tl;dr section you state "it was posted in a hurry and we didn't consider everything that we probably should have" (emphasis added). This seems to suggest that Joel had given you all at least a head's up that this was coming. To what extend were you (or other SE employees) aware of the specific content of the post before it was posted? — arjafi 7 hours ago

user315433

"What did you know and when did you know it?"

SNAFU

All Stack Overflow traffic is now flowing across our other 3 ISPs in the NYC data center. If you see any issues please ping us.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on February 1, 2017 at 2:22 PM in reply to Nick_Craver

Shadow Wizard

@zaq I believe Joel sent a message to the employees like "I'm going to post something on MSO that might cause some protest. Get ready!"

@Stijn no, you're young! ;)

Bart

14:32

@ShadowWizard I believe he did so while laughing maniacally in his swivel chair, stroking Taco (in the absence of a cat)

Shadow Wizard

GW-BASIC

GW-BASIC is a dialect of the BASIC programming language developed by Microsoft from BASICA, originally for Compaq. It is otherwise identical to Microsoft/IBM BASICA, but is a fully self-contained executable and does not need the ROM BASIC. It was bundled with MS-DOS operating systems on IBM PC compatibles by Microsoft. Microsoft also sold a BASIC compiler, BASCOM, compatible with GW-BASIC, for programs needing more speed. The language is suitable for simple games, business programs and the like. Since it was included with most versions of MS-DOS, it was also a low cost way for many aspiring...

@Bart you have a good imagination, that's for sure :D

hmm...

Was I really too cruel? Just shared how that question looked to me.

(the way he put the words, mainly, not the idea itself. "Show me", "Tell me", etc.)

Bart

Meh, he'll survive

Shadow Wizard

14:52

yeah

Pandya

15:38

@Moosebot looks kicked! hehe

Shadow Wizard

@Pandya yup, bots don't really survive here if they're just for fun

heck, even Smokey was almost kicked.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard Nah, I have been cruellerer in some comments

Shadow Wizard

16:10

@M.A.R. can't be, you're a nice and gentle... chemical. ;)

xkcdBot

17:00

Today's xkcd comic (Soda Sugar Comparisons):

The key is portion control, which is why I've switched to eating smaller cans of frosting instead of full bottles.

user315433

17:55

@numaroth Will be soon, I just need to get back some info on a feature that I'd like to get shipped fast, will know at some point today and then post. Said info is "can we do this?" - more to come. — Tim Post ♦ 4 hours ago

user315433

Yay unclosable posts. Some sort of a lock that disables only closing and editing? And maybe commenting.

user315433

That kind of already exists, except it also disables up/down votes, and who doesn't like to score likes for saying "Boo! Trump bad!"

user315433

18:06

user315433

Credit: balpha

rene

18:54

:D

Stijn

19:42

> Edits must be at least 6 characters; is there something else to improve in this post?

anyone with full edit permissions on Biology.SE ?

biology.stackexchange.com/a/803/29541 needs blockquote formatting

Bart

20:00

I got to 6 chars :D

Stijn

How? I didn't find any typos

Bart

biology.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/34004

Stijn

Ah, missed those. Thanks :)

Bart

np :)

M.A.R.

It'd be really fun if it gets rejected

Bart

20:02

hehe

M.A.R.

But it won't unfortunately

Bart

Say @Shog9, I was wondering. Any chance Joel will weigh in on the whole post-stand discussion? Or it's up to you guys now?

Stijn

in Discussion on question by Joel Spolsky: Time to take a stand on Stack Overflow Chat, 57 mins ago, by Shog9

@Stijn No idea. AFAIK; he's travelling right now. This wasn't exactly planned, so we're all kinda scrambling to adjust schedules.

Bart

And I'm wondering if "post-stand" isn't just either sitting or lying ... but I may be distracting myself

Ah, thanks @Stijn

M.A.R.

Time to make a stand

Stijn

20:12

Remember, there's always money in the banana stand!

Bart

Ah, banana stand. So I have been robbing lemonade stands for nothing ...

Poor kids

Stijn

I like to think you're disguised as a pair of sunglasses while robbing those kids

No one will suspect you

M.A.R.

@Stijn Nah, he's a noob

Bart

He now. Be nice. I'm perfectly capable of robbing children

M.A.R.

@Bart prove it

With a pic

or jiff

Bart

20:29

Pff, who says jiff ...

rene

not me

M.A.R.

I dunno. They say people say jiff

Bart

And for the lovers of jiffs i.stack.imgur.com/C6Pe5.gif — Bart Jan 26 at 9:33

bjb568

It's zhaif, not jiff.

M.A.R.

@bjb568 No, zhaif is only Arabic GIF's.

rene

20:39

I thought those were APNG?

M.A.R.

@rene Arabic doesn't have /p/

rene

Hmm, that is hard. So you say olice and encil and on the toilet you ee?

M.A.R.

Arabs don't poop, they excrete.

@rene Actually they replace all the foreign words with /p/ with /b/. It becomes bencil and bee.

Portugal becomes Bortugal

rene

sounds like a bad prank

Bart

brank

Shadow Wizard

20:51

@rene no it's real, know this from Arabs in Israel as well. ;-)

M.A.R.

21:15

Aw, shucks. Is there a way to rename a bookmark?

I typo'd.

rene

Yes, get hired as a dev.

M.A.R.

ಠ_ಠ

rene

You might also be able to rename lots of other things while you're at it

user202362

22:24

user202362

22:46

I am going to take sand this afternoon!

user202362

on the shoes while walking on the beach

Shadow Wizard

23:18

@Telkitty what beach?

@rene I suggest renaming @Bart. That would be fun. Or even better rename all MSE users to be Bart.

user202362

I have some distant relatives visiting, so take them to beach up north after invite them to buffet lunch

user202362

Also take sand, take stand ... got it :p

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty no.... really? ;)

If you spot Joel there, say "hi"

user202362

why would Joel be there, it's not like he needs sand & cement to make some concrete wall between the US and Mexico ...

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty nah, he's against any kind of Walls

user202362

23:32

unless it's firewall, pretty sure SO uses firewall

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