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Shadow Wizard

19:01

@zaq that sock got zero activity on MSO though

qwertynl, Trenzalore

3k 5 3

user315433

The activity predates the split.

Shadow Wizard

oh

rene

@ShadowWizard yeah, claimed I should look at MSE

Shadow Wizard

Well, it was some sort of weird experiment he did, it's a legit sock afaik

And if he thinks he made good contributions with that account, well, it makes sense he'll point it out now. :)

S.L. Barth

> I learned that new users do get much more help from "seasoned veterans".

^ I wonder if that still holds now, almost 3 years later.

user315433

19:05

Apparently a new trend, mods posting this kind of stuff on metas: Why was my question downvoted and/or deleted? by T.E.D. on meta.history.stackexchange.com preceded by Why is an answer being downvoted without any comments? by SevenSidedDie on meta.rpg.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

@S.L.Barth probably not... test it out as Neal did... ;)

S.L. Barth

@zaq The second one is a faq-proposed.

Shadow Wizard

looking out for suspicious new users

S.L. Barth

I deny everything. Especially accounts that use fractional numbers for a radix!

Seriously though, I couldn't use my sock FractionalRadix for that, as it's already documented that it's mine.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@ShadowWizard I had activity on the meta.stackexchange

@ShadowWizard It is a legit sock. got approval from The head man himself :-)

45

A: Experimented with an alternate account to see the new user experience through veteran habits, eyes

I don't see why this should be downvoted, provided the OP performed an actual experiment and in good faith. That is, he just participated as he normally would have participated on Stack Overflow -- civilly, of course -- but as a new user instead of a 60k+ rep user. Also note that he asked first...

@rene if you have any questions come to me :-)

rene

19:10

I did, I still find it confusing

S.L. Barth

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Ah, permission ahead of time! Good thinking.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@S.L.Barth ;-)

I have been here a "while"

@Undo lol

S.L. Barth

Another way to gauge the new user experience could be to simply guide new users who we know personally.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@S.L.Barth True.

S.L. Barth

A sock puppet already knows the unwritten rules. A new user does not. And I sometimes think our site can be very confusing for new users.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

19:12

A little bit more than 3 years ago?

rene

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA anyway 31 questions with that account isn't a lot either, given you have been here for a "while".

S.L. Barth

Can we mark the date of that Meta post as the official end of the experiment?

Shadow Wizard

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA heh, all good, I also got one "known" sock... and one unknown. ;)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@rene Eh? Questions? posts in general should be a good indicator

questions are not always a good indicator

lets say I had nothing to ask but had a lot of answers?

rene

sure

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

19:13

@S.L.Barth You could -- as everyone knows it is me and the user descriptions link to one another now :-)

@ShadowWizard hehe as do I ;-)

Shadow Wizard

:)

socks brotherhood

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

'ting

Shadow of the Shadow

sorry couldn't resist.... :P

Shadow Wizard

lolz

Fractional Radix

@ShadowoftheShadow Neither could I!

Shadow Wizard

19:16

Everyone bring your socks!!! :D

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Shadow Wizard

S.L. Barth

Bring your socks, but beware of the Shogs!

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard no, it will cover my blue feet

rene

19:17

Shadows socks

Jun 25 '14 at 17:45, 4 minutes total – 6 messages, 2 users, 5 stars

Bookmarked Jun 25 '14 at 18:10 by rene

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@bluefeet blue socks?

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet surely you can find a blue sock.... ;)

S.L. Barth

@bluefeet Ok, we'll invent transparant socks for you!

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Shadow Wizard

@rene obsolete

rene

19:18

yeah, I can't find the new photo

Shadow Wizard

pffft

S.L. Barth

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Oh great... a Sock type Pokemon!

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@S.L.Barth lol no... a JYNX

@ShadowWizard and I said basically the same thing at the same time.

Shadow Wizard

@rene chat.meta.stackexchange.com/…

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA great minds....

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Shadow Wizard

19:20

lol

Welcome to the sock party, @Bart!

Did you bring a cake?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

lol I forgot the login ingo for my sock.

Aaron Hall

> ssube what qualifies me to be a professor? I have a graduate degree, with many graduate level business and economics courses under my belt. Based on those qualifications, I have taught economics, marketing, organizational behavior, and other courses. I have been getting known for presenting at technical conferences and meetups on Python, and based on those combined qualifications (and my Stack Overflow profile doesn't hurt either) I have been teaching Python to undergrads and graduate students

quoted from my response to a comment ^^^^^

qwertynl

ahh there we go

I knew I could figure it out :-)

S.L. Barth

@ShadowWizard The House-Elves were going to bring one. But then all these loose socks appeared...

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@AaronHall ? context please?

Aaron Hall

19:26

> You claim to be a professor with very little specifics; what qualifications that is based on? – ssube 13 mins ago

in response to ^^^^^^

rene

@qwertynl we seriously get three for the price of one ...

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@rene Three? In my world 1 + 1 = 2

ha

rene

If all your socks get a diamond as well we only have to vote for you

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@AaronHall I am very confused... what does that have to do with anything here?

Aaron Hall

mod elections

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

19:27

Ok... ?

And?

:-(

Sorry for being blunt, but I am confused @AaronHall

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Bart

@ShadowWizard turns out it was a lie

Shadow Wizard

@Bart noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOooo0000ooOOO

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Bart nooooooooooooooo.com

bjb568

@AaronHall your answers look pretty good now

Shadow Wizard

19:28

Huh! Faster this time!

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

10 mins ago, by amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

lol

Shadow Wizard

runs away in panic

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

I had to lookup the URL @ShadowWizard ;-P

Shadow Wizard

excuses excuses

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

bah

Aaron Hall

19:30

@bjb568 Thank you!

S.L. Barth

Hello @bjb568! We were having a sock puppet party. Do cats have socks too?

I mean, if cats can wear sunglasses, surely they can also wear socks? :-)

bjb568

S.L. Barth

@bjb568 PURR-fect!

bjb568

As you can see, there are many sock fashion factions.

S.L. Barth

Very informative! +1 for these answers! :-)

Shadow Wizard

19:34

S.L. Barth

Dogs with socks...

Shadow Wizard

Yup

Who let the dogs out?

S.L. Barth

That dog walks in a very strange way though.

Shadow Wizard

@S.L.Barth you'll walk same way if you'll have paws all of a sudden. ;)

S.L. Barth

@ShadowWizard This is a were-dog?

Shadow Wizard

19:42

rofl!

Better than were-sock...

By day: ordinary human being
By night: reputation sucking sock

Party is over already? Shame. :P

Bart

Seems it ended as soon as I came in

Fractional Radix

Sock party isn't over yet!

S.L. Barth

@ShadowWizard LOL!

Shadow Wizard

Socks Party! (Part 1?)

38 mins ago, 31 minutes total – 80 messages, 12 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

Fractional Radix

cleans up and leaves

Shadow Wizard

20:12

cleans up and trees

S.L. Barth

:-)

We got that backwards, don't we? We should first let the leaves fall off the trees, then clean up.

Aaron Hall

20:40

> The position of "professor" typically implies (but does not require) a PhD or other terminal, high-level degree. Listing the position, in such a vague fashion and as your first qualification, seems rather misleading. – ssube 3 mins ago

I'm not sure all of the comments on my nomination are constructive.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Basically (I think) He is saying being a professor gives nothing of note to people as to your moderation prowess maybe? @AaronHall

Aaron Hall

Well if he wants to say that, then he should say that, but as it is, it's not very constructive.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

So tell him that. Moderate! ;-)

S.L. Barth

Maybe you should list your exact positions in your profile.

Aaron Hall

...

3 hours ago, by bluefeet

@AaronHall You don't have to disclose your employer if you're not comfortable.

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA conflict of interest to moderate a commenter on my own post. Perhaps I should let someone else handle it.

S.L. Barth

20:52

@AaronHall You don't have to, but when we asked you about your reviewing activity, you told us about your academic work.

Aaron Hall

what, reviewing students' work?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

That is not moderation.

That is grading.

S.L. Barth

Let me dig up the conversation. You linked it in your answer to the Mod questions, I believe.

Aaron Hall

If I give one an extra-bad grade, they can get kicked out of their program.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Also @AaronHall next time past the link to the comment. it will auto-generate here

user315433

20:53

Not for comments under nomination posts.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Sorry I lied...

boo, that is silly :-(

Aaron Hall

I haven't been able to get links to comments there.

That's why I've been quoting them. Is that why you were confusaled earlier?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Yea.. there was no context.

S.L. Barth

@AaronHall Confusaled? Is that confusion that is for sale? :-P

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@AaronHall Just vote for Neal :-)

Aaron Hall

20:55

Poetic license. :)

S.L. Barth

Nov 4 at 21:06, by S.L. Barth

@AaronHall You don't seem to do a lot of reviews, and don't seem very active on MSO.

^ That's where the conversation started.

Aaron Hall

I linked to the conversation in one of my first comments.

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S.L. Barth

@AaronHall Yes, indeed.

Aaron Hall

yeah, you said that

S.L. Barth

20:57

But is there a reason not to disclose? You're already here under your real name, so people can look it up.

user315433

I thought you were agreeing with singleton being evil in Android...

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@S.L.Barth People already have I believe

S.L. Barth

@zaq :-) Well Singleton should be avoided if you can...

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@AaronHall You should not have Stack Overflow as a job listed on LinkedIn...

You do not work for Stack Overflow.

Aaron Hall

I don't say that I do.

But keep looking at my LinkedIn profile and keep giving me suggestions.

Bart

21:05

It's "Stack Overflow".

S.L. Barth

@AaronHall It's listed under "Experience", I believe. "Gold Python Badged Answerer". I'm not sure where it should go. Let's see if LinkedIn has a section "Awards" or something like that.

Aaron Hall

I think it's great experience, and I'm inclined to list it under any experience heading in any resume.

S.L. Barth

I think it should be listed only once. I see it twice now.

Aaron Hall

Easy gatekeeping heuristic - if you rule me out because of it, you probably don't want me.

S.L. Barth

But I find LinkedIn less clear than it used to be. Not sure if it's showing this badge twice by itself, or by anything you've done.

@AaronHall Our only concern should be if you'd make a good moderator.

Aaron Hall

21:09

It's been a while since I looked at it so I had to look it over again, but I mention the badge in my experience title and list the badge itself under "awards"

S.L. Barth

I do believe it is the same text. So maybe LinkedIn is repeating the text by itself.

Anyway... what you'd need to convince people is that you'd make a good moderator.

And you've pointed out that your work gives you relevant experience - work under pressure, work under scrutiny.

Aaron Hall

Well, at least one commenter thought my handling of rather aggressive comments demonstrated that I am qualified.

And that was a prestigious commendation

S.L. Barth

Glad to hear it.

Dealing with aggression is, sadly, a part of the job.

Aaron Hall

I'm negotiating over giving approve rights on a config directory. lol

user315433

Is stating one's age a new trend in nomination? 28yo, 25yo, 22yo... don't remember it being stated that often before.

Aaron Hall

21:15

I'm 37, but I'm starting to get sensitive about it.

Bart

I'm 29 and have been for many years now

S.L. Barth

Not sure why people add it. Although there had been discussions about teen moderators in the past.

@Bart That's mainly a matter of changing the numbering system you use every year.

user315433

None of 19 nominations in the previous election state the age.

user315433

I think I like it the age-less way more.

user315433

Blame @Magisch for starting this trend.

S.L. Barth

21:17

For completeness, I should add that the conclusion of this "Teen mods yes or no" discussion was that age doesn't matter.

Bart

I think I wrote an answer for that discussion

S.L. Barth

Could very well be. It's an old thing though. Lots of people have probably added to it.

hichris123

Are you calling @Bart old?

S.L. Barth

@hichris123 No, I had to edit that...

user315433

No answers by Bart there:

user315433

21:20

-90

Q: Evaluating the risks of allowing teen moderators on the SE network

I have a David vs Goliath case here involving a teen moderator on Stack Overflow. His display name is BoltClock. I'm a low reputation SO user (less than 150 points) who was recently suspended for Voting Irregularities by BoltClock. Eventually the mistake was corrected by another non-teen moderat...

Bart

18

A: Age restriction for mod election?

Age doesn't really matter. Or at least, it's not of primary concern. If a 13-year old is not up to the task, their general behaviour (prior to the nomination) will show it. If they show however that they do have the qualities to become a moderator, there is no problem either. Could one argue th...

Aaron Hall

21:34

Don't you need to be 14 or older to open a Stack Overflow account?

I would rather a moderator have more tenure on the site than a year or two as well.

hichris123

@AaronHall 13.

Aaron Hall

ok, 13. For my own standards, that would make the minimum age 15.

Can a minor sign the moderator agreement?

stackoverflow.com/legal/moderator-agreement

hichris123

Yes, it's non-binding (and not even legally enforceable I assume).

bjb568

@AaronHall Well, no. The minimum age on SO is unenforcible, so the assumption that everybody's 13 or older when they join is wrong.

It's completely possible for a 13 year old to already have enough experience to be mod.

Aaron Hall

I wonder if Stack Overflow's lawyers have opined on minors being moderators.

hichris123

21:39

@bjb568 Possible, but that set of users is a small subset of 13 year olds.

bjb568

Sure, but there's millions of 13 year olds.

Aaron Hall

a subset who lied to set up their accounts - not a great start as a moderator.

bjb568

It absolutely is. To make the blanket statement that all people who were forced to lie to use a basic service by virtue of an innate attribute of them that they had no control over aren't suitable leaders is simply offensive and discriminatory.

A failure in policy making by US congress does not constitute a character flaw in those forced to do stupid things because of the law.

hichris123

... you wound him up again...

Bart

Give him some catnip

Aaron Hall

21:46

pulls out his laser pointer

bjb568

:3

Magisch

@zaq I may have started something bad there

user315433

Next up: disclosing hair color in mod nomination.

Magisch

It was an innocent detail

Didn't give it much thought in disclosing it, wouldn't miss it if I read other nominations

Aaron Hall

> I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponents' youth and inexperience.

Magisch

21:56

I'm generally very open about all details of my personality

if someone decides not to vote for me due to age - thats their choice

I'd find it a little sad, but I won't hold it against anybody

Alexis King

@hichris123 I see some things never change.

Aaron Hall

> @ssube what were you misled into thinking? I have a Masters in Business Administration, with extra graduate credits in economics and statistics. My website and linkedin profile, both linked to from my profile here, both explain these things to varying degrees, and I have very little space in the nomination text. Besides, in this context, my degrees that I earned years ago are much less relevant than what I'm actually doing today.

I decided to respond ^^^

Aaron Hall

22:26

hey, we're getting a question system right? where's that info at?

hichris123

22:42

@AlexisKing Of course not.

Aaron Hall

22:54

found it:

205

Q: Let's Plan the Second Iteration of the Stack Exchange Quality Project!

In case you missed the first one, check out the se-quality-project tag. The quality project isn't one that we plan to ever finish, it's perennial and kicks in every 18 months or so after we've had ample opportunity to observe the efficacy of our previous efforts, changes in how people use our sit...

discussion featured se-quality-project

ok, on a panal on OOP tonight, then heading to the Python meetup group to watch the election stuff. I'll be so glad when this is over...

It's stressful.

good night!!

user315433

WTB universal opt-out from "have you voted?" nags. Happy to provide proof of absence of US citizenship. #OnlyAFewMoreHours

Tweeted by aalear on November 8, 2016 at 6:54 PM

user315433

Gmail was particularly annoying with (apparent) per-computer nags, rather than per-account.

user315433

23:12

Attention all "inbound leads" people: you're about to have a very hard time delivering mail to Google customers. Don't spam Stack Overflow.

Tweeted by tinkertim on November 8, 2016 at 8:00 PM

user315433

I'm not versed enough in spam to understand what this means...

Shadow Wizard

23:48

@zaq probably it means he reported the spammers to Google, and expecting Google to block them.

Shadows socks

Socks Party! (Part 1?)

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