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7:01 PM
@zaq that sock got zero activity on MSO though
qwertynl, Trenzalore
3k 5 3
The activity predates the split.
@ShadowWizard yeah, claimed I should look at MSE
Well, it was some sort of weird experiment he did, it's a legit sock afaik
And if he thinks he made good contributions with that account, well, it makes sense he'll point it out now. :)
> I learned that new users do get much more help from "seasoned veterans".
^ I wonder if that still holds now, almost 3 years later.
7:05 PM
Apparently a new trend, mods posting this kind of stuff on metas: Why was my question downvoted and/or deleted? by T.E.D. on meta.history.stackexchange.com preceded by Why is an answer being downvoted without any comments? by SevenSidedDie on meta.rpg.stackexchange.com
@S.L.Barth probably not... test it out as Neal did... ;)
@zaq The second one is a faq-proposed.
looking out for suspicious new users
I deny everything. Especially accounts that use fractional numbers for a radix!
Seriously though, I couldn't use my sock FractionalRadix for that, as it's already documented that it's mine.
@ShadowWizard I had activity on the meta.stackexchange
@ShadowWizard It is a legit sock. got approval from The head man himself :-)
A: Experimented with an alternate account to see the new user experience through veteran habits, eyes

Jeff AtwoodI don't see why this should be downvoted, provided the OP performed an actual experiment and in good faith. That is, he just participated as he normally would have participated on Stack Overflow -- civilly, of course -- but as a new user instead of a 60k+ rep user. Also note that he asked first...

@rene if you have any questions come to me :-)
7:10 PM
I did, I still find it confusing
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Ah, permission ahead of time! Good thinking.
@S.L.Barth ;-)
I have been here a "while"
@Undo lol
Another way to gauge the new user experience could be to simply guide new users who we know personally.
@S.L.Barth True.
A sock puppet already knows the unwritten rules. A new user does not. And I sometimes think our site can be very confusing for new users.
7:12 PM
A little bit more than 3 years ago?
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA anyway 31 questions with that account isn't a lot either, given you have been here for a "while".
Can we mark the date of that Meta post as the official end of the experiment?
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA heh, all good, I also got one "known" sock... and one unknown. ;)
@rene Eh? Questions? posts in general should be a good indicator
questions are not always a good indicator
lets say I had nothing to ask but had a lot of answers?
7:13 PM
@S.L.Barth You could -- as everyone knows it is me and the user descriptions link to one another now :-)
@ShadowWizard hehe as do I ;-)
socks brotherhood
sorry couldn't resist.... :P
@ShadowoftheShadow Neither could I!
7:16 PM
Everyone bring your socks!!! :D
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in answer: What are the alternatives to InfoPath by Pavel Yakovlevs on sharepoint.stackexchange.com
Bring your socks, but beware of the Shogs!
@ShadowWizard no, it will cover my blue feet
7:17 PM

Shadows socks

Jun 25 '14 at 17:45, 4 minutes total – 6 messages, 2 users, 5 stars

Bookmarked Jun 25 '14 at 18:10 by rene

@bluefeet blue socks?
@bluefeet surely you can find a blue sock.... ;)
@bluefeet Ok, we'll invent transparant socks for you!
@rene obsolete
7:18 PM
yeah, I can't find the new photo
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Oh great... a Sock type Pokemon!
@S.L.Barth lol no... a JYNX
@ShadowWizard and I said basically the same thing at the same time.
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA great minds....
7:20 PM
Welcome to the sock party, @Bart!
Did you bring a cake?
lol I forgot the login ingo for my sock.
> ssube what qualifies me to be a professor? I have a graduate degree, with many graduate level business and economics courses under my belt. Based on those qualifications, I have taught economics, marketing, organizational behavior, and other courses. I have been getting known for presenting at technical conferences and meetups on Python, and based on those combined qualifications (and my Stack Overflow profile doesn't hurt either) I have been teaching Python to undergrads and graduate students
quoted from my response to a comment ^^^^^
ahh there we go
I knew I could figure it out :-)
@ShadowWizard The House-Elves were going to bring one. But then all these loose socks appeared...
@AaronHall ? context please?
7:26 PM
> You claim to be a professor with very little specifics; what qualifications that is based on? – ssube 13 mins ago
in response to ^^^^^^
@qwertynl we seriously get three for the price of one ...
@rene Three? In my world 1 + 1 = 2
If all your socks get a diamond as well we only have to vote for you
@AaronHall I am very confused... what does that have to do with anything here?
mod elections
7:27 PM
Ok... ?
Sorry for being blunt, but I am confused @AaronHall
@ShadowWizard turns out it was a lie
@Bart noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOooo0000ooOOO
@AaronHall your answers look pretty good now
7:28 PM
Huh! Faster this time!
10 mins ago, by amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A
user image
runs away in panic
I had to lookup the URL @ShadowWizard ;-P
excuses excuses
7:30 PM
@bjb568 Thank you!
Hello @bjb568! We were having a sock puppet party. Do cats have socks too?
I mean, if cats can wear sunglasses, surely they can also wear socks? :-)
@bjb568 PURR-fect!
As you can see, there are many sock fashion factions.
Very informative! +1 for these answers! :-)
7:34 PM
Dogs with socks...
Who let the dogs out?
That dog walks in a very strange way though.
@S.L.Barth you'll walk same way if you'll have paws all of a sudden. ;)
@ShadowWizard This is a were-dog?
7:42 PM
Better than were-sock...
By day: ordinary human being
By night: reputation sucking sock
Party is over already? Shame. :P
Seems it ended as soon as I came in
Sock party isn't over yet!
@ShadowWizard LOL!

Socks Party! (Part 1?)

38 mins ago, 31 minutes total – 80 messages, 12 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

cleans up and leaves
8:12 PM
cleans up and trees
We got that backwards, don't we? We should first let the leaves fall off the trees, then clean up.
8:40 PM
> The position of "professor" typically implies (but does not require) a PhD or other terminal, high-level degree. Listing the position, in such a vague fashion and as your first qualification, seems rather misleading. – ssube 3 mins ago
I'm not sure all of the comments on my nomination are constructive.
Basically (I think) He is saying being a professor gives nothing of note to people as to your moderation prowess maybe? @AaronHall
Well if he wants to say that, then he should say that, but as it is, it's not very constructive.
So tell him that. Moderate! ;-)
Maybe you should list your exact positions in your profile.
3 hours ago, by bluefeet
@AaronHall You don't have to disclose your employer if you're not comfortable.
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA conflict of interest to moderate a commenter on my own post. Perhaps I should let someone else handle it.
8:52 PM
@AaronHall You don't have to, but when we asked you about your reviewing activity, you told us about your academic work.
what, reviewing students' work?
That is not moderation.
That is grading.
Let me dig up the conversation. You linked it in your answer to the Mod questions, I believe.
If I give one an extra-bad grade, they can get kicked out of their program.
Also @AaronHall next time past the link to the comment. it will auto-generate here
8:53 PM
Not for comments under nomination posts.
Sorry I lied...
boo, that is silly :-(
I haven't been able to get links to comments there.
That's why I've been quoting them. Is that why you were confusaled earlier?
Yea.. there was no context.
@AaronHall Confusaled? Is that confusion that is for sale? :-P
@AaronHall Just vote for Neal :-)
8:55 PM
Poetic license. :)
Nov 4 at 21:06, by S.L. Barth
@AaronHall You don't seem to do a lot of reviews, and don't seem very active on MSO.
^ That's where the conversation started.
I linked to the conversation in one of my first comments.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Singleton в Android - зло? by شركه تنظيف on ru.stackoverflow.com
@AaronHall Yes, indeed.
yeah, you said that
8:57 PM
But is there a reason not to disclose? You're already here under your real name, so people can look it up.
I thought you were agreeing with singleton being evil in Android...
@S.L.Barth People already have I believe
@zaq :-) Well Singleton should be avoided if you can...
@AaronHall You should not have Stack Overflow as a job listed on LinkedIn...
You do not work for Stack Overflow.
I don't say that I do.
But keep looking at my LinkedIn profile and keep giving me suggestions.
9:05 PM
It's "Stack Overflow".
@AaronHall It's listed under "Experience", I believe. "Gold Python Badged Answerer". I'm not sure where it should go. Let's see if LinkedIn has a section "Awards" or something like that.
I think it's great experience, and I'm inclined to list it under any experience heading in any resume.
I think it should be listed only once. I see it twice now.
Easy gatekeeping heuristic - if you rule me out because of it, you probably don't want me.
But I find LinkedIn less clear than it used to be. Not sure if it's showing this badge twice by itself, or by anything you've done.
@AaronHall Our only concern should be if you'd make a good moderator.
9:09 PM
It's been a while since I looked at it so I had to look it over again, but I mention the badge in my experience title and list the badge itself under "awards"
I do believe it is the same text. So maybe LinkedIn is repeating the text by itself.
Anyway... what you'd need to convince people is that you'd make a good moderator.
And you've pointed out that your work gives you relevant experience - work under pressure, work under scrutiny.
Well, at least one commenter thought my handling of rather aggressive comments demonstrated that I am qualified.
And that was a prestigious commendation
Glad to hear it.
Dealing with aggression is, sadly, a part of the job.
I'm negotiating over giving approve rights on a config directory. lol
Is stating one's age a new trend in nomination? 28yo, 25yo, 22yo... don't remember it being stated that often before.
9:15 PM
I'm 37, but I'm starting to get sensitive about it.
I'm 29 and have been for many years now
Not sure why people add it. Although there had been discussions about teen moderators in the past.
@Bart That's mainly a matter of changing the numbering system you use every year.
None of 19 nominations in the previous election state the age.
I think I like it the age-less way more.
Blame @Magisch for starting this trend.
9:17 PM
For completeness, I should add that the conclusion of this "Teen mods yes or no" discussion was that age doesn't matter.
I think I wrote an answer for that discussion
Could very well be. It's an old thing though. Lots of people have probably added to it.
Are you calling @Bart old?
@hichris123 No, I had to edit that...
No answers by Bart there:
9:20 PM
Q: Evaluating the risks of allowing teen moderators on the SE network

user774411I have a David vs Goliath case here involving a teen moderator on Stack Overflow. His display name is BoltClock. I'm a low reputation SO user (less than 150 points) who was recently suspended for Voting Irregularities by BoltClock. Eventually the mistake was corrected by another non-teen moderat...

A: Age restriction for mod election?

BartAge doesn't really matter. Or at least, it's not of primary concern. If a 13-year old is not up to the task, their general behaviour (prior to the nomination) will show it. If they show however that they do have the qualities to become a moderator, there is no problem either. Could one argue th...

9:34 PM
Don't you need to be 14 or older to open a Stack Overflow account?
I would rather a moderator have more tenure on the site than a year or two as well.
@AaronHall 13.
ok, 13. For my own standards, that would make the minimum age 15.
Can a minor sign the moderator agreement?
Yes, it's non-binding (and not even legally enforceable I assume).
@AaronHall Well, no. The minimum age on SO is unenforcible, so the assumption that everybody's 13 or older when they join is wrong.
It's completely possible for a 13 year old to already have enough experience to be mod.
I wonder if Stack Overflow's lawyers have opined on minors being moderators.
9:39 PM
@bjb568 Possible, but that set of users is a small subset of 13 year olds.
Sure, but there's millions of 13 year olds.
a subset who lied to set up their accounts - not a great start as a moderator.
It absolutely is. To make the blanket statement that all people who were forced to lie to use a basic service by virtue of an innate attribute of them that they had no control over aren't suitable leaders is simply offensive and discriminatory.
A failure in policy making by US congress does not constitute a character flaw in those forced to do stupid things because of the law.
... you wound him up again...
Give him some catnip
9:46 PM
pulls out his laser pointer
@zaq I may have started something bad there
Next up: disclosing hair color in mod nomination.
It was an innocent detail
Didn't give it much thought in disclosing it, wouldn't miss it if I read other nominations
> I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponents' youth and inexperience.
9:56 PM
I'm generally very open about all details of my personality
if someone decides not to vote for me due to age - thats their choice
I'd find it a little sad, but I won't hold it against anybody
@hichris123 I see some things never change.
> @ssube what were you misled into thinking? I have a Masters in Business Administration, with extra graduate credits in economics and statistics. My website and linkedin profile, both linked to from my profile here, both explain these things to varying degrees, and I have very little space in the nomination text. Besides, in this context, my degrees that I earned years ago are much less relevant than what I'm actually doing today.
I decided to respond ^^^
10:26 PM
hey, we're getting a question system right? where's that info at?
10:42 PM
@AlexisKing Of course not.
10:54 PM
found it:
Q: Let's Plan the Second Iteration of the Stack Exchange Quality Project!

Tim PostIn case you missed the first one, check out the se-quality-project tag. The quality project isn't one that we plan to ever finish, it's perennial and kicks in every 18 months or so after we've had ample opportunity to observe the efficacy of our previous efforts, changes in how people use our sit...

ok, on a panal on OOP tonight, then heading to the Python meetup group to watch the election stuff. I'll be so glad when this is over...
It's stressful.
good night!!
WTB universal opt-out from "have you voted?" nags. Happy to provide proof of absence of US citizenship. #OnlyAFewMoreHours
Gmail was particularly annoying with (apparent) per-computer nags, rather than per-account.
11:12 PM
Attention all "inbound leads" people: you're about to have a very hard time delivering mail to Google customers. Don't spam Stack Overflow.
I'm not versed enough in spam to understand what this means...
11:48 PM
@zaq probably it means he reported the spammers to Google, and expecting Google to block them.
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