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6:00 PM
@AidenBell Honestly, it isn't really Gnome Shell sucking, it's Mutter sucking.
 
@balpha because everytime a new bit of code is written in COBOL, a shitty question or answer gets posted on SO. Do you really want to see what would happen to SO if they rewrote parts of Gnome in COBOL?
 
@balpha - well, it doesn't matter to me ... a language is a language, I just don't see why they didn't stick with Python as the plugin language. My dig was at certain cultural differences between languages and their users
 
Mutter is supposed to do window compositing even without 3D acceleration (how novel, somebody tell the Metacity team.) Still, without 3D acceleration I get this...
(Yes, turning 3D acceleration on fixes this for me.)
 
@AidenBell Point taken. I just like using it :)
 
@badp - that's better than me ... I get a segfault after 90%+ of my builds
@balpha - fair enough ;) I just think they are trying to attract web devs and their fancy ideas to the desktop which is reasonable ... but I would have rather Python be the extension language of choice ;D
 
6:03 PM
@AidenBell Better than what Unity on Mutter does! It crashes every time I hover on the side bar on all (2) computers I tried.
 
oh, I've given up on building it myself. I use the pre-packaged Fedora version, even if it's a little out-of-date
 
@badp - unity can crawl up its own rectum. Hopefully it will be cancerous for Ubuntu
@balpha - yea im on workstation-f13 and laptop-f14 but build in a VM
 
@AidenBell You hope the most accessible distribution of Linux ever dies?
meh, whatever rocks your boat
 
@badp - Personally, what kernel they use is up to them ... but if Ubuntu is going to deviate from the norms, then I think they should do the honorable thing and go the OSX route
Take a BSD license and jump into their own philosophy
 
@AidenBell Isn't that the beauty of freedom? Being able to choose?
you know, without having to align yourself with what others decide it's best for you?
 
6:06 PM
@badp - yup and I choose Fedora and get mad about Ubuntu's choices ;)
Freedom is amazing
 
Looks like Egyptian President Mubarak is resigning soon.
 
@AidenBell yeah, so why are you whining about others' freedom :P
(Un?)fortunately, Gnome 2 development will stop
 
@badp - im not whining about the freedom, just what they do with it ... it isn't a logical thing, it is a personal thing and so inherently illogical
 
Speaking of freedom
 
@badp - though you are right, I 100% retract that OSX comment
As that is akin to demanding they restrict their stuff because I don't like it
Which is ... um... bad .... mkay?
Now excuse me while I install my NVIDIA blob lol
 
6:18 PM
<3 Kubuntu. Not sure what to think about Ubuntu.
 
@ChrisJesterYoung Ubuntu is just amazing you don't have to think at all :D
 
what isn't amazing is nouveau sticking to my kernel like a rash
 
@OctavianDamiean Har har.
 
"Hi miguel, Are you sure?" --- You would assume that this person out of all can be pretty sure about what's included in MonoTouch and what not...
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A: Cannot find System.Runtime.Serialization.Json in MonoTouch

miguel.de.icazaMonoTouch does not ship with a DataContractJSonSerializer as simple as this serializer looks, it brings in a large set of libraries. You can use either the System.Json API or you can try NewtonSoft's JSon library.

 
6:24 PM
lol..
 
@ChrisJesterYoung Kubuntu isn't really the best KDE distro. :)
 
@badp I didn't say it was. I also use Debian with KDE. :-)
@badp I also mean to try out PC-BSD.
 
@balpha awesome :p
 
Yeah, debian + BSD kinda sounds palatable.
 
Ok, gone for a couple hours, bbl
 
6:33 PM
bah. Gnome shell acts on Win-Space. That doesn't seem to be customizable. I already have terminal spawning on Win-Space.
also, is clicking on the window name supposed to ever give you more options than just "Quit <x>"?
 
Question. On the rep tool, what's the difference between:
rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 22 days
rep cap was exceeded on 31 days
is that inclusive or exclusive (that 22 is part or 31, or not)?
 
22 is part of 31
 
hold on which rep tool?
 
On 22 days you got enough up votes to reach 200, on 31 days you passed 200.
 
Ahh, so 22 out of 31 I hit it exactly, 9 I exceeded? Wait, that doesn't make sense. How could I pass it more than I hit it?
Or am I missing something here...?
 
6:39 PM
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A: How is it possible to exceed the rep cap without reaching it?

S.MarkSee here and here for more info about that. There is no explanation about those two, but my guess is that reached is only from upvotes which reached 200, and exceeded is any day it reached 200+ including accepted answers (but not including bounties). And I think exceeded is old or current calcul...

 
@ircmaxell on 31 days you gained more than 200 rep/day, on 22 days you hit the rep cap proper.
 
hrm...
 
> did you reach 200 rep from PURE UPVOTES? That's "reached". Did you reach 200 or more rep from upvotes + accepts? That's "exceeded".
 
so if you get 19 upvotes and an accept you have a +205 -- exceeded, but not reached
dunno if getting exactly 20 upvotes means reached but not exceeded
 
@badp Exceeded is >= 200, so yes.
 
6:41 PM
That's not the way it works in English, but oh well.
 
Ahhh
 
@badp Yeah, I don't like it either, but that's how it works.
 
so I went past 200 31 days, but only on 22 of them did I go past with upvotes...
So which number are the badges calculated on (Epic and Legendary)?
 
in other words, the rep cap stole your precious reps on 22 days
I guess it's reaching
although mortarboard is triggered by merely exceeding
 
fair enough...
 
6:42 PM
Hmm. I have the opposite problem:
rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 13 days
rep cap was exceeded on 11 days
 
@PopularDemand maybe you hit the rep cap then cast a large bounty
 
Bounties should be ignored.
 
so you reached the cap, but didn't actually gain 200 rep that day
 
Maybe it's only bounties won, not offered?
 
anyway your audit has the answer
just search for [
 
6:46 PM
Hi, my baby and dog are engaged in a 'who can smell worse' competition at the moment.
I thought I'd let anyone considering telecommuting know.
 
arg. Just had a UPS battery go out
 
Well, I thought that reached/exceeded debate had finally been put to rest, but I guess not. New question posted:
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Q: How is it possible to reach the rep cap without exceeding it?

Popular DemandOkay, based only the title, the answer is obvious... allow me to explain. According to Jeff's statements under this question, the definitions of "reaching the rep cap" and "exceeding the rep cap" are as follows: reached: earned 200 or more rep purely from upvotes in one day exceeded: earned 20...

 
commented
 
If you get 200 only from up votes, it doesn't count towards exceeded.
I had that happen on SO.
Everything else 200 and above does.
 
I believe badp is right.
 
6:59 PM
I think you reached 200 by up votes on two days and didn't get any accepts. :P
 
Broadcast message from root (Thu Feb 10 13:59:34 2011):

Emergency! Batteries have failed on UPS apc001. Change them NOW
sigh
 
:o
@TimStone Ah, redacted on account of you actually going to look at the rep audit ;)
 
By the way, @TimStone, thanks again for recommending MigLayout. I think I thanked you before, but now I've gotten a chance to actually try it out. Very nice, once I got over the initial "how the icosahedrons does this syntax work" confusion.
 
There goes $300
 
@PopularDemand No problem, I've found it to be by far the least painful of all the layout managers, at least once you get all of the syntax down.
It was supposed to be integrated as a native component of Java 7, but it seems like that probably won't happen (right now, anyway).
 
7:07 PM
I guess I don't need 30 minute runtime on the servers. SO I could switch to the other UPS (I have 2 that are at like 20% load each)
 
7:37 PM
 
wow that make me happy :P
 
Mmm, exact quintuplicate.
4
 
me wonders if 5 screens in a semi-circle with various and dopplerific refresh rates can cause fits
 
@PopularDemand lol
 
@Nyuszika7H I posted it/them to Regulator HQ.
Agh, it's actually an octuplicate! In fact, it's probably worse and I just haven't seen them all yet.
2
 
7:58 PM
@PopularDemand The swarm has arrived
(They're not all the same, but...)
It actually makes me kind of sad, given that even with SO search it was that easy for people to just find the answer without needing to ask again.
 
@NickCraver or any other mod, how does a person view posts of theirs that have been flagged...if it's possible.
 
you can't, unless you're a mod :)
 
@TimStone Exact... quadringentiplicate? I don't even know anymore.
 
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Q: No confirmation dialog when flagging in Review

Nyuszika7HI've accidently flagged an answer in Review, because there's no confirmation dialog. That should be fixed to prevent accident flagging.

 
@jon3laze You could do it with some legwork if you had 10k rep.
 
8:03 PM
@PopularDemand We should make someone sit there and count them.
 
@PopularDemand 10k users can see some flags ;)
 
I think it'd be nice to view posts of your own that have been flagged...not sure how you can know you've done something wrong otherwise.
 
@NickCraver Could you take a look at that?
 
@jon3laze I think I've seen a post about it on Meta, search there.
 
sweet thanks
 
8:07 PM
Hmm.
status-bydesign
 
Yes. :P
 
@RebeccaChernoff I'm not seeing it, either via MSO built-in search or Google search of MSO.
 
@Nyuszika7H "Apple Genius Bar in two miles"?
 
@Nyuszika7H I'm pretty sure we don't allow this for a few reasons - the vast majority of users are never flagged, they're good citizens
....and just because you are flagged for something (by you, I mean your posts*/*comments, not account) were correctly flagged, we get a lot of nonsense flags as well
 
8:11 PM
"Inescapable and inaccessible interchange ahead"?
 
@NickCraver ah thanks for explaining it to me :)
@Nyuszika7H Swedish road sign No. 1.9.2.30
 
"This road approved for <kbd>Option</kbd> + drive in your iCar"?
 
@PopularDemand Ah well. Pretend it is there with a and move on? (;
 
@RebeccaChernoff Call for help! That [status-declined] isn't breathing!
 
@RebeccaChernoff I could have sworn it was there too, hmm..
 
8:19 PM
in Chat feedback, 36 secs ago, by Nyuszika7H
Allow [status-anything] not only in separate messages.
 
@Nyuszika7H You're not going to tell us what this means, are you?
 
[status-this-doesnt-work] you can see.
status-but-this-works
 
@NickT I hope that means that their codes include the word "and", but...
 
8:42 PM
in Town Hall Discussion, 26 secs ago, by The Renamed Exception
I am going to combine the two Gaming town halls into one giant Meta Town hall Digest post. If anyone objects, please let me know!
 
Wes
9:17 PM
@all Hi
Whats changed with the Citizen patrol badge?
apparently I was awarded it reciently but I don't know why
 
Can I get a repro? Goto a question, open the flag dialog, choose "it doesn't belong here", click the X at the top left, then goto close instead, then goto choose exact duplicate (I don't get the URL field) then toggle to another option then back again, and do you get an error?
 
Wes
@RebeccaChernoff you noted it was changed
@drachenstern I don't think I have permission
 
@Wes then you may ignore it ;) there's lots of people in this room
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Q: Are you *sure* Citizen Patrol is fixed right?

BenjolI got a load of Citizen Patrol badges this morning, which is nice. I know the rules have changed, but I got it on Cooking SE, and I'm pretty certain that I've never flagged anything there. Sorry if I'm wrong (I don't think I've got any way of checking).

See if that answers your question. There was indeed a codechange
 
Wes
Nope don't see any answers in that question or the linked one
 
@Wes oh crap, I forgot the discussion didn't happen there, but it should've been replicated there ... give me a moment to link to you something else
@Wes start here, then read down for a little bit. see if that clears things up. wouldn't hurt to read up too chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/507129#507129
 
Wes
9:34 PM
@drachenstern thank you sorry I didn't relise I'd closed this tab.
 
@Wes it's fine
 
Wes
Okay that probably answers it. Wonder what I flagged :S
 
@balpha I keep getting "Sorry, retrieving a game from the API failed. Please try again.". I blame you
 
9:55 PM
Cos ya know what says versioning notes? A docx in the repo!
 
10:20 PM
@RobertHarvey Moving mod-rewrite questions to Server Fault makes me sad (and is unnecessary)
 
2
A: How to create polarized 3D image using Matlab?

datenwolfBuild your own Polarized Stereoscopic Projection System Principles of Polarization Optics Polarized Light Since the late 19th century we know, that light can be described in terms of electromagnetic waves. The theory behind it are the well understood Maxwell Equations. Since this is not an art...

Amazing answer on that polarised images from Matlab question I mentioned the other day.
 
Why is it Community Wiki? O_o
 
Yeah why IS it CW?
 
You'd have to ask @datenwolf
 
@ChrisF so noted, so asked
 
10:29 PM
Grrrr....one of my very favorite things in the whole wide world is disabling an option, only to have it reapplied right before my very eyes.
glares at compiz
Would anyone happen to know what may be preventing me from disabling drop shadowes i.e. the window decorations plugin for Compiz?
 
@GeorgeMarian you mean that you don't really think that you know what you want for yourself? Interesting.
 
@drachenstern Sure, I'm all sorts of confused, but that's beside the point. :D
 
@GeorgeMarian ;)
 
There a SE site for video editing questions yet?
 
You could try Super User
No guarantee of it getting an answer - but it would be on topic ;)
 
10:33 PM
I uncheck the box and it gets re-checked in a few seconds. I'm guessing there's something else re-applying it, obviously, but I have not WTF that may be.
 
oh shit, that reminds me. I have outstanding questions on some sites ...
 
Is it bad that I just sung a bit of the badger song, but replaced it with "badges?"
IRCAnswers.com? How long have they been around?
 
umpf, now I need to make a logo
 
@badp For?
 
SO Live!
 
10:47 PM
@badp Explain. I haven't exactly been paying attention lately. :)
 
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Q: Changing the display of the apps tab

Kevin MontroseWe're looking at changing the front page of Stack Apps to look more like a proper app "marketplace" and less like a run of the mill Stack Exchange site. Proposal (second draft) This would replace The theory is that votes, answers, and views are completely useless. A picture is really neede...

Luckily my awesome artsy skills come to the rescue!
 
11:02 PM
hm, I probably need to be more aggressive and more accurate with the motion blur
 
FYI
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A: Propose a new 20k reputation privilege

RosinanteVote to delete answers. There is a constant stream of 'thank you notes,' snarky remarks, and other stuff which isn't formally spam but is clutter. Edit by waffles This is now implemented with the following caveats The answer must have the score of -1 or lower It requires 3 votes. Also, ...

 
@waffles nice idea!
I hope that it is implemented
!
 
> Edit by waffles This is now implemented
 
Also:
 
@Trufa You should probably read the whole post :)
 
11:14 PM
14
A: Propose a new 20k reputation privilege

ChrisFRemove the 2 day limit on voting to delete closed questions. 20K users should have enough about them to know when a question should be deleted rather than leaving it closed. Obviously still have the 3 non-moderator delete votes requirement. EDIT by waffles This is now implemented for all 20...

 
Curse my meager rep T_T
 
@ChrisF hmmm?
 
@Trufa Read the Edit by waffles
 
Yay for skyping my windows password :\
 
@ChrisF yes I read, but I found it a bit ungloryfied for beening the knew coolest feature
I mean the way they accpeted it
They should have accpted the answer or something
 
11:20 PM
There's another just implemented feature too. See waffles' post up a bit. It looks like several ideas are being implemented. It wouldn't be fair to just accept one answer.
 
@Trufa you ... don't understand how this works do you?
 
@drachenstern not a clue
 
The whole post was suggestions of stuff to be implemented
it's not just one request in there.
 
yes...
 
my advice, go READ the WHOLE post then come back and talk to us about THAT PARTICULAR post
 
11:21 PM
@drachenstern ok, no need to get angry
:)
 
I'm not angry. I'm being forceful with text
 
@drachenstern tomato tomatoe
2
 
The regulars around here have all read most of that post and have talked it back and forth more than once
@Trufa just so long as you know I'm not angry.
 
@drachenstern hehe no worries, I wasn't offended, I was actually being lazy and wanted the highlights
 
Then say that instead of "why didn't they just mark it accepted"
 
11:23 PM
@drachenstern ohhhhhhhh
now I get it
(why you are being "forceful with text")
 
@Trufa to get your attention instead of you asking dumb questions or making dumb comments about a post that show and demonstrate a lack of context.
tl;dr: to get your attention
 
@drachenstern got it
I like this changes
(BTW)
 
@waffles is that restricted to users of a certain rep?
 
@drachenstern 20K+
 
@ChrisF indeed or because of the question?
Because it was on the question is not a solid guarantee of the actual limit
 
11:29 PM
@drachenstern It seems to be because of the question. A number of 20K privileges have been introduced lately.
 
@ChrisF yes, but so was a 15k priv
 
Though there have been some lower rep ones as well protect at 15K stackoverflow.com/privileges/protect-questions
 
@drachenstern I asked waffles earlier (I wasn't sure either); he said 20k
 
@MichaelMrozek good info, thanks
 
@drachenstern all the delete stuff is 20k privs, we are looking for a better name for the "mini moderator" priv
 
11:34 PM
@waffles minimod is 20k?
I would've figured 100k would be minimod, but I guess I'm thinking in SO terms and not SE2.0 terms
 
@drachenstern that's why we need a better name ;)
 
@NickCraver hmmm, I'll put my stinking cap on too and stink on it for a bit
yay autocorrect!
 
I still call 10k pseudo-mod, but I think I'm in the minority
 
Gaming town hall digest is raping me. LOL
 
Oh, was that today? I missed it
Is the schedule listed somewhere?
Oh wait, no, that was ages ago. You're still doing that?
 
11:37 PM
@MichaelMrozek yes
Well, I started again this afternoon
hadn't touched it, work has been very busy
I completed AskUbuntu's before Gaming's
 
So we have 10/15k users, who are like power users, we have 20k users, who have access to some of the most basic mod tools, we have diamond mods (all blue or blue and black?) and we have SOIS employees. What else?
 
15k is power user?
sounds a bit light to me
50k+ I would call power users
And yes, I can just join conversations with no idea what people are talking about
 
We're talking about joining the conversation without knowing the context ... thus showing you know the context, thus ...
@AidenBell think non-SO sites
There aren't that many SE2.0 50k+ users anywhere outside of the trilogy (really just SO)
 
Also has a recalc happened in the last few hours?
 
not that I'm aware of ... which site?
 
11:44 PM
There are only 24 10K users on Super User and 4 of them are mods
 
Stackoverflow
 
@AidenBell nothing on my profee
 
28 10K users with 7 of them mods on Server Fault
 
@drachenstern - oh well in that case, some rep came my way instead of going
 
@ChrisF I know, this wave of privileges is totally SO-only
 
11:45 PM
@ChrisF - wow, id have thought SF would have 50k+ers
Im thinking I should attend to my pathetic 14.4k
 
Only 1 50K+ on SF and 2 (nearly 3) on SU
 
SO charts my ability to persevere
 
Okay, SF has nine 20kers so they can use them
 
Need some advice if anyone wants to weigh in
in Town Hall Discussion, 2 mins ago, by The Renamed Exception
I have a question. Should I combine the following two questions from the first and second town halls into one large digest question?
 
5 20K+ on SU (I'm next in line with 18.2K
 
Kev
11:48 PM
is there a way to see recently approved edits?
 
@Kev Mods can, but not regular users (at least not easily; you could manually go through the IDs I guess)
 
YAY!
 
Nippon has been approved!
@TheRenamedException - Nippon is live, my phone is dead!
 
Kev
@MichaelMrozek shame, I noticed an edit that looked like someone fiddled with the code example and kinda hoped it hadn't been approved. but stupidly hit refresh
 
11:50 PM
@Moshe Nice, congrats
 
@Moshe YEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Moshe NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
 
@drachenstern thanks. I got quite a scare earlier, but I'll explain later. The library insists on running IE in (in)compatibility mode. So, I'd like to get home and recharge.
 
@Kev If it was recent you can poke through the recent edits list, or start going backwards through the permalinks (the most recent edit is 4360)
 
Kev
@Moshe - nippon?
 
@Kev Yep, my iPhone game.
 
Kev
11:51 PM
@Moshe oh well done :)
 
@drachenstern - I bought a new backpack today, so I have to go figure out the pockets now.
Cya all in a bit when I'm all charged up.
 
Kev
@Moshe - website? (I don't have an iPhone or iTunes, but the kids have a Touch)
@MichaelMrozek - oh, ta
 
@Moshe cool, pic us in that room ;)
 
@Kev Just search "Nippon" in iTunes. I didn't put it on my website(s) yet. (Niot ethat it may take some time to appear in the App Store.)
@drachenstern - Sure thing.
@Kev Thank you for your interest, I appreciate it.
Someone tell @Zypher when he pops in. I owe him a promo code.
:-D
I am logging off now, (now, not in five minutes, not in twen minutes.) I'm technically still in commute. Cya when I get home.
 
 

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