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user315433

00:01

Some date that is 6-8 weeks away from today.

user315433

00:29

Remember doctype.com ?

Quill

nope :)

user315433

The closure announcement: web.archive.org/web/20130207015537/http://blog.doctype.com/…

user315433

I think I heard about it back in the days, and more recently, from old comments on Webmasters;

user315433

HTML/CSS questions are better suited on Doctype — John Conde ♦ Feb 5 '11 at 14:53

user202362

I am amazed at the little amount of sleep some people get ...

Quill

00:35

I didn't sleep at all last night

@Telkitty did one of your colleagues fall asleep at work or something

user315433

Except maybe at the calculus lecture.

Quill

How could I fall asleep with all that romance drama going on

user202362

calculus lectures are usually not at night

user202362

when I was in uni, they were almost always the first thing or second thing in the morning

user315433

Yes, but still an excellent sleep opportunity.

hichris123

00:38

If you ever need some cat pictures... Smokey is now posting a cat picture on each backoff in Charcoal HQ (thanks to @Undo):

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in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 15 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

user315433

With mere two lines of code (not counting the precautionary exception): github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/638681d

Quill

in The DMZ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 hours ago, by Gilles

And by the way, I don't mind, but you ought to know that initiating a discussion about someone's flags in public chat is not really appropriate for a mod.

Ugh, I missed some drama

JamesENL

01:32

Morning

bacon

01:50

Morning

Quill

02:06

Morning

user202362

so much bacon ...

Quill

uh wat

user202362

looks like there is huge amount of bacon next to your head :p

Shog9

meat hats

Quill

02:16

0

Q: suggestion: A dark web front-end for a site

Idea: if we have a website about the Deep Web, so it's a shame if we won't have a dot-onion and dot-i2p addresses for it! In My Humble Opinion. What do you think about it?

wikihow.com/Paint-a-Bike — Count Iblis 3 hours ago

user202362

hat is warmer with meat inside

Quill

One of my cats like to climb on my head

user202362

cat hat!

user202362

02:31

3

user202362

fashionable cat with chicken hat

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JamesENL

Is the question in that one a spamseed?

Quill

> But the only debut is it only allows to download 5 videos for free

debut?

user315433

I don't know about question, but the answer is certainly spam. The text is mostly the same as in previous such posts: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…

user315433

02:39

The "it also helps... " sentence, with a list of sites, is common for these.

Quill

I use this method to download {{siteName}} videos: {{link}}

It also helps to download {{relatedSiteNames.join(', ')}} videos.

The only debut is that it can download {{freeLimit}} videos before paying. but that's only {{cost}}

bjb568

02:57

@Telkitty cc @sun!

tchrist

03:16

@Quill debit

Quill

ah

tchrist

still nutterstuff

user315433

> check out the cool new design for the World Building Stack Exchange worldbuilding.stackexchange.com by @kjbeavers -- Joel Spolsky at 7:04 PM - 17 May 2016

user315433

It's not often that Joel gives a shout-out to a site's design

tchrist

@Telkitty she's waiting for eggs

meaning the tortoise not the hen

user315433

03:19

But it's actually Worldbuilding, not World Building. Inconsistency!

user315433

Area 51 shall not rest until every cryptocurrency has a site. Next one: Monero. It already has more followers than Dash

Shog9

03:59

found lurking in the bottom of my oldest file cabinet, under a pile of old phone bills and the manual for a Hitachi drill: a Pentium CPU.

I don't remember ever actually owning a Pentium CPU

user202362

maybe you should drink less >_<

user202362

Shog9

AMD4LIFE

JamesENL

Is this your form of rebellion against the state?

Quill

or you could ~~bend over and take the vendor's preference~~ own a mac

user202362

04:01

just settle for a tablet, dammit

user202362

it's not like herding users consume much CPU power

Shog9

one does not own a mac. One becomes, when unwary, p0wned by them.

user202362

I pwn PC/Mac & a linux server (VPS)

Shog9

Still, I wonder whose chip this was

user202362

got pwned* by //maybe

Quill

04:04

@Shog9 maybe an april fools present

user202362

I wonder whether it's really a Pentium CPU ...

user202362

I mean ... it could be anything

user202362

it could be a spy transmitter

user202362

a web cam

user202362

a tiny bomb

Shog9

04:06

80502, 150MHz

user202362

or a chocolate bar

JamesENL

Try chew it, if it tastes like blood and plastic that means it's really good quality

Shog9

ceramic and sharp little pins

anyway, this chip must be pushing 20 years old. That's older than my file cabinet.

user202362

I should have a 10 year old working debian box sitting in the garage somewhere ...

user202362

I tried to rewrite the kernel, then gave up coz got busy ...

user202362

04:12

not that I was ever a good kernel developer

Quill

I still have a working 128k Macintosh lying around somewhere

tchrist

04:35

user202362

05:18

Daily News | Traffic Stops For Mama Bear And Cubs

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bacon

05:37

tractor..?

Quill

tractors

nice

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05:50

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JamesENL

06:06

sd k

SmokeDetector

06:33

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Sunshine

06:49

@bjb568 Cute!

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07:11

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07:32

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Quill

08:18

I think someone got the domains wrong :p

rene

Maybe devs and employees can choose any skin they like on their chatroom?

I think it only requires to load a different css.

Quill

given that they can imitate feeds, anything's possible :p

also that excel talk is great

Sunshine

@TylerH and others: Please feel free to flag the comment for removal if it is unrelated to the post. That is the recommended way to deal with "not-related" comments. Instead of piling comments saying "this is not related" - put it in a flag. — Sunshine 3 mins ago

rene

08:36

@Sunshine the problem is that I don't want the comment to be removed because you have a point: we are an evil room at times. I don't want that to be hidden but I feel the comment could have used a bit more context to put things in perspective. It is good that we remember we aren't always a responsible bunch of people.

and left a comment on the post as well, paraphrasing what I said here

Derpy

@rene As I said to @ShadowWizard some days ago, if you are bored with the current chat room skin, you should totally try this version instead...

Sunshine

@rene I had posted the comment because I felt it was related. I didn't post "my interpretation/opinions" because I think that always complicates discussions. As far as the SOCVR room and burnination is concerned, as an individual, I respect the efforts you individually put in as a user @rene to clean the site. As for the vigilante mob that SOCVR has become, I am not sure if it does more good or more harm.

SOCVR posts a canned comment promoting the room in every single burnination request on MSO. JavaScript guys don't promote their room for every JS question, Python guys don't promote their room for every python question. For any other tag on SO proper/meta, can you show me a room which posts a canned comment for every post in a tag?

rene

We don't promote on main AFAIK, and the recruiting done by some should have stopped but I need moderators to enforce that.

@Sunshine As I said in the question instead of the status-review tag we decided to post a comment. If you feel that part sucks, please say so, either in an answer or in a comment.

We decided to use that comment to prevent over enthusiastic re-tagging based on the post from Martin Smith. It only needs some negative feedback to adapt that comment so the room isn't mentioned.

Sunshine

@rene I intend to raise a flag for mods to cleanup these canned comments, doesn't make sense IMO to post on MSO, as none of the folks their can moderate comments. I will be speaking to the incorrect audience. Mods can cleanup or decline my flag, I will leave it upto them.

rene

i was hoping that my advertising would made some more people at least aware that moderation is a thing and I don't want to hide we exist. If I need to balance that more I'm OK with that

So far I haven't had much of a normal / regular discussion about how the room is perceived except during incidents when I only get a bucket of poo delivered, totally deserved but still.

So, anyway, if people would just speak up a bit I can at least try to make it fit in. I'm now a bit steering in the darkness/fog relying on feedback from occasional visitors and/or mods.

Sunshine

08:55

Some things make me uncomfortable, and I prefer to put them in a flag instead of a public scrutiny on MSO. As for the rest, you as an individual are doing a great job. I have no intention to post on MSO to shut down your room. I do, however think the long pile on comments on Undo's post could have been avoided by folks who are self-assigned vigilante moderators, they should have used the proper tool for the job, and I have left them a note to do so.

you are getting feedback now, on your MSO post. :)

rene

OK, fair enough.

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rene

@Derpy disturbing ...

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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: she could seem extremely tricky? by ArleneWilson on superuser.com …

Quill

10:29

6

Q: Find the infinte sum of the series.

How do find the sum of the series till infinity? $$ \frac{2}{1!}+\frac{2+4}{2!}+\frac{2+4+6}{3!}+\frac{2+4+6+8}{4!}+\cdots$$ I know that it gets reduced to $$\sum\limits_{n=1}^∞ \frac{n(n+1)}{n!}$$ But I don't know how to proceed further.

sequences-and-series summation

Barely anything like an MVCE and it gets to HNQ

The guys on Math are really rep hungry

user315433

11:19

It does demonstrate one of coolest things one learns in calculus 2: to find the sum of a series, it helps to make the series more complicated by inserting a variable in it. (Because then one can take derivative or integral with respect to that new variable, which changes the game.)

Quill

oh my god I can do addition, but wait, there's more.... I can insert a variable and CHANGE EVERYTHING OH MY GOD

Bart

Is this on-topic/answerable? stackoverflow.com/questions/37295352/… Kinda feels like it's better asked to the SDK providers?

bacon

11:55

I think it can be answered by those who have used it. If I'm not mistaken, all the files/sources are accessible when it's imported to Unity.

Shadow Wizard

13:45

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

user202362

!!/brownie

SmokeDetector

@Telkitty Brown!

Shadow Wizard

!!/hats

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Winterbash is over. :(

Shadow Wizard

13:54

!!/‮alive

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Shadow Wizard

14:09

sd k

rene

15:24

weren't you a bit quick on that dupe @ShadowWizard ?

Just means we repented of using chiclet keys and went back to mechanical switches with proper beige key-caps. — Shog9 ♦ 29 mins ago

Nostalgic feelings ...

Shadow Wizard

@rene you mean here? Why? It's the same thing. Reporting a "bad" company.

rene

Hmm, no, the dupe is about actual complaints from jobs that were offered, while the one you closed is about a company that does doubtful things.

If I was a environmentalist I would post something similar about Shell

Shadow Wizard

@rene guess we'll have to disagree. Got to go now, but ice cream will be given. :)

rene

Ok, I'll accept that ;)

xkcdBot

16:00

Today's xkcd comic (Bun):

If a wild bun is sighted, a nice gesture of respect is to send a 'BUN ALERT' message to friends and family, with photographs documenting the bun's location and rank. If no photographs are possible, emoji may be substituted.

bacon

@xkcdBot BUN ALERT

Haney

paging Dr. @canon

bacon

(apparently, I'm understanding the comic wrongly...)

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rene

16:20

that is the second spam post of that same user within 10 minutes or so

Haney

well anyway, thanks to your MIT console lib which we are now hosting, Stack Snippets with virtual console goes live today

Shog9

@rene new-user answer throttle is 1 every 2 minutes by default.

Checking the log, it appears it just kept hitting "post" until it went through

Also from the same log, for your morning entertainment:

> my name is anonymous.
please don't be alarmed , i mean yeah i'm gunna take down Stack Over flows web page and take all your money :) ill use it for prostitutes so don't worry its all in good will :) hope you have a nice day.
Oh btw im the hacker :) please click the link

Your sincerly
David the sad guy with no friends

rene

LOL

Well, if you ever get bored you can always turn to the logs...

Shog9

Also, there's apparently a place named "Chipping Norton"

see, if the logs don't satisfy, there's always geolocation

Chipping Norton

Chipping Norton is a market town and civil parish in the Cotswold Hills in the West Oxfordshire district of Oxfordshire, England, about 12 miles (19 km) southwest of Banbury and 18 miles (29 km) northwest of Oxford. The 2011 Census recorded the parish's population as 6,337. == History == === Pre-1800 === The Rollright Stones, a stone circle 2.5 miles (4 km) north of Chipping Norton, is evidence of prehistoric habitation in the area. The town's name means 'market north town', with "Chipping" (from Old English cēping) meaning 'market'. Chipping Norton began as a small settlement at the f...

rene

Maybe Jeremy Clarkson got bored? Oh wait I already spot which David it is ...

Indeed no friends

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16:45

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canon

16:59

@Haney holy crap. Nice!

Haney

thanks for the effort :)

I have a slight bug in it: already made snippets are including console by default

but I'll fix that in a few here

canon

alrighty

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canon

Now, I've got to look at the SO api so I can just remove all my script includes and modify the snippet settings in a batch. ;)

@Haney are you planning to make a meta post or anything?

Haney

yeah probably

once I iron out the bugs here

canon

17:11

good, spares me the effort :P

I was grabbing screenshots and stuff

Haney

haha no worries, also you'll get credit for the lib of course

license remains in tact (but minified)

canon

splendid :)

Tim Stone

17:27

One of the ad providers is trying to load swf content, boooo

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user315433

0

Q: Urgent Call for Moderators

We recently had a few slots open for Moderator positions that we need to fill. Finding folks who are willing to take on these leadership positions is crucial to the continued existence of this site. We need your help filling two moderator slots. Please nominate folks you would like to see become...

discussion featured moderation

user315433

Folks are too busy boozing up to moderate. :(

canon

@Haney Out of curiosity, how many of your people were involved in this?

@sandwich lol

Haney

17:49

just me

same reason Snippets dev pretty much stagnated: I got promoted and don't develop much anymore ;)

rene

adding managers doesn't boost productivity ... ;)

canon

I don't think I could accept a management role if I wasn't still actively developing

I like that aspect too much to trade it for the bureaucratic nightmare of management

user315433

Blog post: Developer Turned Manager

canon

Although, I'm sure it's a better situation at SE

user315433

> In February of 2015, I was promoted to Engineering Manager at Stack Overflow. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

rene

17:55

rofl

canon

rip DA

Shog9

@canon this is the problem most places. You really want a manager who is focused on managing (when at work). Facilitating, communicating, being the proverbial shit umbrella. But since management is also the only career track for devs, you end up with a lot of devs who'd rather be designing / implementing & have neither the desire nor aptitude for management.

user315433

What are career tracks for CMs?

rene

Run for President

Tim Stone

@Shog9 Some of them even end up as CTOs, it's crazy

user315433

17:58

Adam went from CM to dev. That's the only post-CM-role I know (at SE).

canon

Peter principle?

Shog9

CMs in general, or CMs at SO?

My understanding is that, most places, CMs are sort of an entry-level marketing thing, so... Progression would be to some less-basic Marketing role.

That's not really the case here

CM is sorta on its own island.

which I guess puts it in the same situation as Developer in most orgs; you want to move up, you move to a different role entirely.

Shadow Wizard

Enjoy!

user315433

Unless, I suppose, the network expands to 500+ sites and there will have to be a much larger team with more vertical size.

user315433

Which is too remote a possibility, considering the state of Area 51.

S.L. Barth

18:14

There was an example in Martin Fowler's refactoring book, about "a company where managers could be promoted to engineers".

I do hope that hypothetical company gave them sufficient training...!

canon

@ShadowWizard I don't even know what I'm looking at. Is that icecream with lemon and poppy seeds?

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard if that's poppy seeds, it would kill me

canon

@bluefeet toxic to blue-footed boobies in general... or just you?

bluefeet

@canon just me. Very very allergic to them

canon

no opium for you

bjb568

18:21

:'(

bluefeet

nope, no morphine either post surgery

canon

:/

Shog9

Have to make due with Nick Cave

canon

I'm curious what the dev situation is like at SE. Do you still have fish-bowl offices?

Tim Stone

Literal fish bowls. The Stack Chefs sprinkle food into them at lunchtime

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bacon

18:33

Ugh, the chat stops auto-scrolling again, had to reload it...

canon

@TimStone heh...

Sunshine

@canon Some places give you both, you can be in senior management and actively code. They exist :-)

user315433

I just found out that a former Director of Marketing Analytics at Subway has Master's degree in math from Sandwich University. How fitting.

canon

Honorary?

Seems too convenient...

Haney

@canon it's not for everybody :)

canon

19:03

@Haney Do you miss programming?

Haney

sometimes honestly. I still do about 10% programming + some side project stuff. Less of that as I enjoy my free time.

canon

ah

Haney

But I really like being a decent manager. I've worked for so many idiots that I know the value of a decent boss; so I try to offer that to others

take one for the team as it were

canon

I can certainly appreciate that

rene

@ShadowWizard thanks!

Shadow Wizard

19:05

@rene my pleasure! BTW what with the question? Reopened?

@Haney who you manage on SE? (if it's not some secret ;))

rene

@ShadowWizard no, meh, your comment is correct, the answer would be similar

Shadow Wizard

@rene whaaaat? taking back ice cream

:D

rene

too late ...

Shadow Wizard

#%##@@$%^#*#@@

No ice cream for you next time!

Haney

Adam Lear
Benjamin Dumke-von der Ehe
Geoff Dalgas
Jarrod Dixon
Marc Gravell
Marco Cecconi
Nick Craver
Néstor Soriano Vilchez
Oded Coster
Samo Prelog
Sonny Kim

Shadow Wizard

19:09

@Haney Wow, the whole non-Careers development team? Awesome. :)

Haney

and non-Internal Dev, mobile, etc.

Shadow Wizard

And Jaydles is your direct boss?

rene

Those look all very manageable....

Haney

@ShadowWizard David Fullerton

Shadow Wizard

@Haney oh, that was going to be my next guess. ;)

user315433

19:10

Sonny Kim is new, not on the team page yet: stackoverflow.com/company/team

Shadow Wizard

Jaydles is the boss of all CM's, right?

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard he is our VP

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet so not the direct manager?

I worked in big company once, with GL's, PM's, and VP's

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard No, we have managers on the team that we report to

Shadow Wizard

But otherwise I work at a tiny company with no such things

@bluefeet managers who are not directly involved in the sites like you do?

bluefeet

19:14

@ShadowWizard Nope, they are still involved. For example, I report to Tim Post

Jon Ericson

Abby's my ~~therapist~~ manager.

canon

@Haney you manage the guy who wrote a blog article titled, "playing with your member"

Haney

hahaha, yes

user315433

jukenim

11 2

git kiln

user315433

I think this is Sonny Kim.

user315433

19:16

> I work at Fog Creek Software yet somehow I have no Stack rep haha. I'm that underground.

S.L. Barth

Moved from Fog Creek to Stack Overflow?

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet oh, didn't know he's a "senior" CM.

Haney

yes, he did move over to SO from FC

user315433

I decided that his sole SO answer is exemplary and worthy of an additional bounty.

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard well he has a spiffy title of the Director of Stack Overflow Communities

Shadow Wizard

19:21

@JonEricson so... the whole boat stuff was while she was your manager? Very bold of you.... :-D

@bluefeet nice, never noticed. :)

canon

I'd hand out bounties on SO but I want the data-dumps available at 25k

S.L. Barth

I wish we could give bounties on per-site metas.

canon

I don't know that bounties help much on meta.SE

think they'd be worthwhile on the per-site metas?

S.L. Barth

Every now and then, I see an MSO question that I'd like to feature.

user315433

@canon There isn't much there, really. Traffic trends that you can see on Quantcast, and post trends that you can get from SEDE. Only within a more convenient interface.

canon

19:28

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that the 25k data dump includes info redacted from the SEDE

e.g.: user vote info and such

user315433

An urban legend. There is no "data dump", first of all; it's just a couple of pages. This is what it looks like on Math

canon

I am dismayed...

user315433

It does include the stats related to deleted posts, but SEDE also has them in PostsWithDeleted.

Jon Ericson

@ShadowWizard Actually, I think she arranged to manage me to keep tabs on my shenanigans.

canon

Is there any way to edit a post without bumping it?

rene

19:40

@canon yes, make a small edit

canon

hmm

These changes are all going to, at the very least, remove at least 161 characters and add 14.

Essentially, I'd like to remove the external links to my console script (and the html comment explaining it) from my snippets and use the newly integrated console.

rene

That will bump I'm afraid

canon

:/

rene

How many post?

canon

@rene If I only process my own posts? 30. If I update every post that uses my script... 237.

Quill

19:47

@sandwich on a ide note, the icon still has a b

I also repcapped again on Deep Web for day two

rene

@canon I know there is "tool" to do mass updates for urls, not sure it it would be a fit for your use-case but maybe @Oded can comment on that.

Shadow Wizard

@rene umm... nope. Unless there is some new change any edit bumps the question.

Haney

@canon new console version of Snippets is live - smooth

I chose to inject our hosted copy of your lib at run button if console was selected

rene

@ShadowWizard Hmm, maybe it doesn't bump for title/tags only?

Haney

easiest way

Shadow Wizard

19:51

@rene nope. Bump. Even edit that is revoked during grace period bumps, though it is impossible to tell what has changed.

rene

so everything that generates a posthistory row causes a bump. Sounds reasonable

Shadow Wizard

@rene exactly.

That said, minor edit doesn't send notification to the post author.

canon

@Haney perfect, thank you!

Shadow Wizard

@Haney wow, is this the MSE question with tons of bounties?

canon

@ShadowWizard yep

Though, he may not have seen that particular question

Shadow Wizard

19:55

Awesome!

canon

He may have only seen the Town Hall Chat pre-game post

Haney

GIVE ME THE BOUNTIES

ALL OF THEM

canon

lol

Shadow Wizard

Haha

Haney

I WORK FOR YOUR INTERNET POINTS

canon

19:55

you can have all of my 1800 meta rep

Shadow Wizard

Too late @Haney

canon

that's where it all came from anyway

Haney

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A: Add a console to Stack Snippets

Thanks for bringing this up! Thanks in large part to the efforts of canon and his MIT licensed virtual console library for Stack Snippets, we now have a virtual console! Normally I'd do screenshots, but with Stack Snippets I can just give you a live demo instead. Check it out! console.log(...

Shadow Wizard

@canon yeah and I "reported" it... ;-)

canon

jerkface :P

T.J. Crowder might implode.

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