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00:06
@bjb568 you are many
:D
Many kewl!
00:43
Wheres my waffles
trows waffles into @James face
00:55
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE? by Lyn on video.stackexchange.com
user259867
@SmokeDetector Writing informative titles, you mean?
@Yes Well, they're feeds users...
01:13
> Where're my waffles
FTFY
> throws
FSM, what's wrong with everybody today?
Like you're one to be talking.
I am talking.
Valid point.
I have a single word for you all... write
How do you know we're not using text-to-speech?
It is very difficult for a doorknob to use a keyboard
4
01:20
It is very difficult for a doorknob to talk without a mouth...
shhhh
shhshes
I don't get it
!xkcd find butterfly
isn't this how you program?
01:27
Is it how you program?
Of course
Just narrow it down to that second panel and it's spot on. :D
I was planning on learning Vim, but I forgot too. Atom stinks though, so I'm gonna switch soon
Sublime?
user259867
02:03
> Error 523 Ray ID: 1ed66056a26f1876 • 2015-05-28 02:02:30 UTC
Origin is unreachable
user259867
Says CloudFlare
user259867
... and it's back on. Never mind.
!xkcd blame
@AndrewT. It's Ian Kemp's fault.
!xkcd blame smokey
02:11
It's smokey's fault.
!!/blame xkcdBot
@Doorknob It's hichris123's fault.
@SmokeDetector Seems right.
@hichris123
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Q: Health SE Disclaimer

michaelpriNear the beginning of Health SE's private beta, a discussion about whether or not we should have a disclaimer came up. There were people voting that we should have a disclaimer (+10/-2) and people for the other side, that we don't need one (+9/-0). Though this decision has not been officially m...

@Yes Hey! That's my post!
user259867
02:18
@michaelpri Yeah, I wondered how this will be done technically. Is there a precedent among SE sites?
user259867
The closest thing I know of are post notices, but those are added per-post.
We're uh... not really sure yet. We were given permission by Shog and told to make a meta post. We hope it will go on each page somewhere
user259867
Maybe they'll create a custom theme for the site, with disclaimer as its logo...
user259867
There is also a "system message" thing, like the one on every new site:
user259867
> got a question about the site itself? meta.law is the place to talk about things like what questions are appropriate, what tags we should use, etc.
02:21
Oh yeah, we still have that problem. Feel free to vote for a logo here:meta.health.stackexchange.com/q/130/26
user259867
I like the cross the most, I think. Maybe SE can use a different background color, something that works with red. They did it for Craft CMS
@Yes I also like it, and it's the most visible. I kinda wish it had been posted earlier.
@AstroCB >:(
02:36
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Why does sampling interval affect system response quite drastically? by Bababarghi on electronics.stackexchange.com
user259867
@SmokeDetector ignore- minor formatting flaw
It seems to lack the "some of us aren't actually trained doctors" part that I've seen in other disclaimers. Is this intentional? — bjb568 8 secs ago
@bjb568: Though there are some trained medical professionals here on Health SE, even they can't provide perfectly reliable answers when they don't have enough details. Better than a layperson's answer? Probably, but it still can't be completely trusted. — michaelpri ♦ 4 mins ago
Check out Patents for an example of how this could be implemented, @yes
@Shog9 I tested it out using the system message box and it doesn't look too bad
user259867
02:52
The Helpful Links in the sidebar? I don't see anything else special about Patents.
user259867
I wish every site had a Helpful Link "search this site with Google".
System message area is for system messages; "this site will be unavailable for 30 minutes/forever" that sorta thing.
Helpful links, @yes
@Shog9 Has that happened before?
What? Sites closed? Yes.
02:58
@Shog9 And/or "Steve Jobs died".
... or should I not bring that up? :P
woah, @Shog's back now, too?
@Shog and @JasonC confirmed same person
2
Yes, they're also used whenever Steve Jobs dies.
If Health.se kills Steve, they can use a sys msg to announce it.
<insert South Park joke here>
user259867
System message also shouldn't be permanent because it breaks the layout of the mobile theme, not that anyone cares.
user259867
> Fun fact: lately I'm fascinated with extreme couponing. It's addictive. -- Michael Pryor at 7:14 PM - 27 May 2015 via Twitter
user259867
03:10
Mildly amusing when coming from the former CFO.
@Shog9 Would this not be allowed for the disclaimer then?
No.
Above the blog announcement? Maybe. Above the whole page? No.
Another possibility is the ask page sidebar
@SmokeDetector tpu-
03:16
gone
spammer has reached ~3 people
despite not having posted ... yet
Them spammers is grabby.
user259867
@JanDvorak They're just keeping the low profile, don't bother them.
user259867
Lest you disturb their laser-like focus on spamming.
@Shog9 @Yes, like the mobile app link. Very helpful. I mean, it's just delightful having to press that x over and over for every site…
user259867
@bjb568 Has anyone posted about that on Meta yet? I was going to.
03:20
Going to bed "early" for bio exam tomorrow, feel free to complain.
user259867
@SmokeDetector fp-
Night!
Any chance they'll be disecting cats soon?
03:27
You should get that fixed, @bjb.
user259867
user259867
Proliferation of specialized chatrooms continues on Mathematics
Need "why no downvotes" and "why the upvote"
4
just use the cv-pls room
Turns out I was supposed to fly to Denver for a site visit today. I'm definitely not in Denver. Sad trombone confirmed.
user259867
03:39
@JasonC 25 minutes left in "today".
Heh. Well I have the first flight out, need to leave in like 3 hours. Just spent the last 5 hours unloading a 26' truck packed front to back with audio equipment. Which I had to wake up at 6am this morning to move. Which I drove back from upstate last night.
Sooo I'm going to bed. Adderall only goes so far. Peace.
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What is the best way to make money? by Rome on gaming.stackexchange.com
user259867
@SmokeDetector ignore- weird answer, not offensive
user259867
03:54
@hichris123 gone
@Shog9 literally me in
How in the world did this get 4 upvotes? stackoverflow.com/questions/30496819/…
Bikeshed effect, I guess.
Even though it doesn't have enough info to answer it.
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Frame rate drops from 60 FPS to 1-10 FPS by dontknowwhattodo on gaming.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Lack of motivation? by leylegolfe on drupal.stackexchange.com
04:09
@SmokeDetector tpu
@michaelpri Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@SmokeDetector tpu-SPAM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected: is saying the word fuck polite by Hamish Meachem on english.stackexchange.com
I guess that's a no :-)
04:28
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why do some tuned cars have very inclined tires? by John Doe on mechanics.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu - offensive
@michaelpri Blacklisted user.
04:48
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Alpha ZXT To Seek Rest And Relaxation? by emmalucy on meta.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu - SPAM
@michaelpri Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
> I think it is but I just want to check.
Nice
Is this the place to look for a mod to delete silly comments?
just flag it
05:16
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Alpha ZXT Vitamins For Brain Health by emmalucy on superuser.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Eye Care for Sensitive Skin by limaae wioz on meta.stackexchange.com
wait, what?
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Use it and you can use it anywhere on your body by evieholme on drupal.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@SmokeDetector tpu-
05:24
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, url in title: http://vitalieskincaretry.com/lreve-24k/ by joeason on meta.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, url in title: http://vitalieskincaretry.com/lreve-24k/ by joeason on drupal.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@SmokeDetector tpu- too slow smokey
05:40
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: I I'm okay and then I'll how by tina pshkd on superuser.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: League Of Legends fps drops by dontknowwhattodo on gaming.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-
you know suppressing smokey's replies has ruined my ability to see how many tpu's I could send before he responded
and thus my day got a little more dull
Why did I misread that as "smokey's reptiles"?
05:56
@SmokeDetector tpu-tpu=0
@SmokeDetector tpu-
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Anti Aging Supplements by penny hast on meta.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Is there anywhere well-qualified people scrape by cathy striickland on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-app=toy
@SmokeDetector tpu-
06:40
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: is saying the “f word” polite by Hamish Meachem on english.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user, blacklisted website: I don't think do anything for by tina pshkd on superuser.com
@SmokeDetector ignore, good that it's already closed, but anyway...
@AndrewT. Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
@SmokeDetector tpu- gone
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: How To Get Beautiful Skin Naturally by Jean Gibson on askubuntu.com
07:13
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: what is infinite try therefore me reason? by realinjuriya on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: what is skin wrinkle problem by user47819 on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Simple answer in remember me the company by sunder moon on superuser.com
07:29
@SmokeDetector tpu
@rene Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@SmokeDetector tpu one neederd
@rene Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@SmokeDetector tpu one needed
@rene Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
07:29
@SmokeDetector tpu
@rene Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
Coffee!
@SmokeDetector tpu- (tips)
Oh the - make it doesn't echo?
@rene Make.... ake... ake.... ake.... ake.... ake
07:43
Are these edits really so good that most of them are getting approved ? stackoverflow.com/users/4897144/… They are all the same. Left him a comment yesterday asking to fix all the problems with posts, as well as a mod flag, which is still pending 24 hours later..
@SPArchaeologist Make- ............................................................
@JonasCz you did see this MSO post: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/295302/…
yes you did..
sorry
Isn't it very much middle in the night for the kitteh?
07:59
What is your opinion on edits like this which are all very similar ? I'd regard them as too minor, and filling up the edits queue is also bad. Was commenting and mod flag the correct thing to do ? That the editing has not stopped despite the meta post (where the consensus seems to be that these edits are mostly not useful) and mod flag seems strange to me.
I rejected the ones that ONLY add the tag
Thats most of them.
If other improvements where made I left it for the robo-reviewers
Thats most of them.
All of them really.
Kill the +2 for approved edits when under 2k and we should finally get rid of this.
08:03
How did my chat message get posted twice !?
@rene Its 4am for BJB
@SPArchaeologist Then we will no longer have any edit suggestions, and most of them are useful (most of the time).
@JonasCz I had some delay as well, maybe the servers need to wake-up?
Maybe one of the mods need to ban his ass
I'm not going to get involved much in an excel/vba/excel+vba war. It really depends who you are talking to what the correct way of tagging is, see the MSO posts for background.
08:11
How about... reduce gained rep from +2 to +1 when the user has been review banned once, then remove it altogether if banned for the second time?
(but then there's no way to gain "easy" rep... but it's their mistake in the first place)
@AndrewT. what about not giving one that has been banned once the possibility to be banned a second time?
How about getting +5 if you reject an suggested-edit from the queue?
that might work too
@rene then you get robo-rejecters.
still better than robo-approvers
08:14
We make it temporary, until the accept/reject rates are in some balance
(I just noticed I wrote "review banned" when it should be "suggest edit banned")
@SmokeDetector because php?
cool bot!
@SmokeDetector ignore fixed
@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
My eyes hurt
is that normal?
08:34
If after doing too many reviews, then yes, it's normal.
@James could also be an allergic reaction caused from the lack of ponies. You still haven't started season five, don't you?
08:54
@rene Yep, I did a few too, will do some more. You use IE ?
@JonasCz I use only quality browsers...
IE is a quality browser ?
Yes, in the same league as Windows is a quality, industry standard OS....
@SmokeDetector fixed-
09:12
@rene Twilight Sparkle?
I guess so
@rene (sorry. Actually the "Twilight Sparkle == 42" joke is not so common, even between fans... guess it must have seemed pretty random.)
@SPArchaeologist better not google for that I'm lost in a world unknown to me...
I already flagged that guy for plagiarism @PatrickHofman. I came across your comment while flagging that answer, and responded to you :)
[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in answer: No Error Log File, no debug info by AddWeb Solution Pvt Ltd on wordpress.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Tips To Achieving Beautiful Shining Skin by ismael frost on drupal.stackexchange.com
09:26
@SmokeDetector tpu
@Mooseman Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@rene ... I would avoid that link without even opening it. To put it simple, all is based on a theory that some references in FIM would claim that the answer to the universe, the life and everything is actually "Friendship". So since Friendship -> Twilight and Friendship->42 then Twilight -> 42
Ok, that explains a little bit of a world still unknown to me ;)
I would explain more, but probably would result pretty boring for people that don't really mind the show or the Guide to the Galaxy books.
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Fuzzy String Searching with Whoosh in Python by trokster on stackoverflow.com
09:38
grabs popcorn
Last time someone had an "offensive answer" related to fuzzy string matching discussion went on for days. But the question was also about profanity filters.
Let's see if someone justifies this.
it triggers on shit
@SmokeDetector ignore-
@rene actually.... why ignore?
Why not?
Why not FP?
It is not an FP?
but also not an offensive TP
for me?
feel free to tell smokey something else
I'm Dutch, my tolerance level of offensiveness is much higher
09:47
Why's that not a false positive?
meta jurisprudence? Above post seem to indicate consensus to at least remove immature behavior such as ""bad words in code examples" unless it is needed for the sample (again, profanity filters questions come to mind)
@JanDvorak Because shit should trigger smokey to report. It did correctly that
It should trigger on shit but "ignore" this particular post
not a fp
false positive = not offensive marked as offensive. The definition does not include how to train bayesian filter
@InfiniteRecursion that is what I meant to say
09:50
not that we have any bayesian filter anyways
it is normal for a filter to have false positives as well as false negatives. It's not useful to deny that. One does not simply remove a filter because it has a false negative every once in a while
If it has only false positives, it should be removed, but by judging the filter prematurely you deny us of the statistics
Smokey does not flip out when he gets a declined flag warning from us.
Yep, Jan flips out.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website, url in title: http://eyebornfacts.org/le-jeune-anti-wrinkle-complex/ by Billy Garcia on drupal.stackexchange.com
so... have stats about smokey defectiveness
only after @InfiniteRecursion and @rene stop skewing them
obviously it would only have from now on
09:59
@JanDvorak here
Hey! I even look a bit like that :-D
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: Search for women based on location and age by Berin Steven on meta.stackexchange.com
bad keyword: bbwdesire (@ProgramFOX)
wondering.... there is no policy against using secondary account (example: accounts used for chat bot) to double flag spam so that it disappear faster, or when you haven't got any more flags on the primary account right?
not like you gain rep or anything for it.
You use socks to do something the system won't allow you otherwise
10:04
@JanDvorak so guess it is no? ok, will avoid that then.
I was more of the "if the spam is still here, please kill it with every available option"
@inf no problem. I usually comment so it is clear for reviewers why a post should be deleted.
> if the second account allows you to do something on the site that your normal account would be prevented from doing, it is abuse.
I leave for a moment to answer a comment only to find @JanDvorak rattled on...
Point taken
@InfiniteRecursion that was the whole point for asking Inf. I had hoped that when the workaround is to help the system, there were some exception to standard rules, but doesn't seem so. As I said, good to know. Not that I actually need that since I am to few active to use all the daily flags.
what if I use a sock to crank up my spam flag count so that I can flag more of the spam that keeps piling up on the front page of this brand new site? Is it still abuse? — Jan Dvorak 20 secs ago
10:18
@JanDvorak If it is I need to disable a feature of my bot... — Mooseman 19 secs ago
@SmokeDetector tpu
@Mooseman Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user, blacklisted website: Inferno and I love it I me already try to use Mary by evieholme on drupal.stackexchange.com
@Mooseman at least be happy that flag are per-site. Image the fun if after you already had to create one thousand to many accounts on each site to fight spam, you also had to work with shared flag counters
10:27
dat username
"formula"?
Maybe smokey knows the battery's internal resistance should be drawn in series...
@JanDvorak I'll rename myself to "downhill from here".
10:47
@Bart I'll rename myself to "stay away from here".
@InfiniteRecursion as long as you don't leave ... ;)
What is the bad keyword? Potentiometer?
I was looking for it too...
I don't dare to tpu of fpu without Jan accusing me of training a non-existing filter the wrong way
lol
I'll never understand how voting works on the math pages: math.stackexchange.com/q/1302318/90754
@bummi Yes is an user there and he doesn't understand it either
@bummi I would try with a question "How can I sleep at night knowing I suggested SharePoint to my client"... except I never do. I am more "You have SharePoint. Live with it. Now we can only try to do damage mitigation"
curious if my close flag will get declined
11:18
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Easy Diet With Safe Weight Loss Pills by Steve Heger on drupal.stackexchange.com
11:32
user image
2
Hey look, it's @bjb ^^
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@SmokeDetector fp- korean comments; possibly cv
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: A Word To Represent Physical & Mental Attributes by quinnfdfsdaf on english.stackexchange.com
11:42
ah, nvm
I guess closeworthy questions shouldn't be fp'd
Why?
because then Smokey deletes the report
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: I get married see is you can apply it to your by ancha golzer on drupal.stackexchange.com
When we started thinking about fp/tp we were lost... can we just go back to mindlessly fp/tp reports?
spam keyword /anti.?wrinkle/ ?
@InfiniteRecursion crap, I need 11 rep
@SmokeDetector gone... at -8
@InfiniteRecursion deaded
11:51
posthumously declared possible spam
I flagged it spam because of the boxing link and noticed user was destroyed as well
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@SmokeDetector gone-
Note to Self: Don't tpu/fpu Smokey today
@InfiniteRecursion why?
11:55
today is a bad day to train a non-existent filter
http://stackoverflow.com/q/30505669/2173917
@SouravGhosh roomba will take it

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