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hichris123

00:00

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Blacklisted user.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: OPTIMAL BANDWIDTH FOR HISTOGRAM DENSITY ESTIMATOR by user212436 on math.stackexchange.com

tchrist

@hichris123 sigh

Santa Claus

How come in @bjb568's image, the cars drive on the left side of the road, and in @hichris123's image, the car is driving on the right side?

hichris123

Is that a "sigh Java" or a "sigh that code is horrible"?

tchrist

yes

bjb568

00:03

yes

Santa Claus

yes

Jan Dvorak

@hichris123 Damn, I was hoping that was a new feature in OTTD

hichris123

:P

bjb568

reddit.com/r/titlegore heh

mirrors

moar mirrors

tchrist

@hichris123 main(i){for(i=0;i;);f(100);}f(n){printf("%d\n",n);--n&&f(n);}

bjb568

00:20

heh

tchrist

That’s the only sort of code that idiots supplying silly constraints deserve.

bjb568

i.imgur.com/m4CvlkE.jpg noonebox

tchrist

Kind of embarrassing as a “camera”, eh?

It’s like they just made up pixels where the hippopotamuses are belly-flopping.

bjb568

wat

tchrist

More color noise.

But nice eyes.

I can never get my owl to hold still that way.

bjb568

00:33

@tchrist oh, you were talking about the camera used to take the picture

I think some android phones do that.

tchrist

Yes. It sucks d***** d****.

@bjb568 I rest my case.

The laws of physics aren’t called that because they’re just a good idea.

That’s the first half of the problem.

And that’s the second half.

bjb568

There are better smartphone cameras.

… then by murphy of course people will shake it and make things blurry

tchrist

@bjb568 Twice nothing is still nothing.

Gimme a holler when the shorter axis is at least an inch.

And when it can track darting chimney swifts in flight in real time without losing the focus. At dusk.

Only cameras can do things like that. Not fones.

With phone pictures, I always feel like I’ve gone off to see the latest Pixar animation movie and they’ve pawned off some stone-age copy of Asteroids on us. It is that different.

It’s like bad keming. Once you have tasted of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, nothing will ever be the same again.

But until that point, you think Asteroids has great graphics.

So too with “pictures” generated by “phones”.

bjb568

00:55

Spirit Quest 18 - Hospitals and Healing

►

wat

tchrist

@bjb568 1146.4751 btu/fortnight

bjb568

wat?

tchrist

tchrist% units watt btu/fortnight
	* 1146.4751
	/ 0.00087223876

I thought I would translate into standard units to help our overseas guests.

bjb568

fun under sniper fire liveleak.com/view?i=793_1418155857

user259867

01:25

too-meta What grade does Bob need on his final to pass his math class?

2

Alexis King

No my name is not bob, LOL.(edit: not that there is anything wrong with being named bob) — user234474 3 mins ago

A proud crusader against the real social problem of today: discrimination against people named Bob.

4

AstroCB

01:57

bjb reddit-spamming again, I see.

tchrist

02:18

@yellowantphil “The man walks through his Thousandyear Eve in the House of the Dead.”

user259867

This user has a peculiar reputation graph.

user259867

Technically speaking: a step function (the Super User part)

tchrist

Actually, it makes perfect sense.

Every now and then he gets a bit of rep.

That’s all.

The reason it looks funny is because he really has so very little.

So anything at all looks like a big jump.

The x-axis is very long. the y-axis though shows only a little bit of rep. So it compresses, making it look like a step function over time.

@2mkgz Does that make sense now?

Each demarkation on the y-axis is a mere 250 reps. Now look at somebody who has 10k demarkations for the same y distance over the same time. See what’s afoot?

You can see the same effect here.

Braiam

02:39

mine is a bit like that... but that's because I answer hot questions

AstroCB

I regret to inform you that there is no Internet meme image that can adequately capture my feelings about this moment. EXCEPT THIS ONE i.imgur.com/GbEwBl0.jpg — Jeff Atwood ♦ Apr 22 at 3:22

He's alive!

Braiam

@AstroCB each other day he do something stackexchange.com/users/1/jeff-atwood?tab=activity

AstroCB

@Braiam Not on Meta.SO

hichris123

03:03

cv-plz meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291477/…

user259867

> Function REGEXREPLACE parameter 1 expects text values. But '34' is a number and cannot be coerced to a text.

user259867

Come on, Google Sheets. It's like you are not even trying.

user259867

Especially strange considering Sheets support embedded JS.

hichris123

Huh. No serial upvoting reversal.

I thought the votes would be reversed... I guess not.

yellowantphil

03:29

@tchrist well, that sounds slightly worse than the building I work in, I guess

@bjb my browser cleared all that data for the swarm game. I must have the privacy settings too high or something

bjb568

huh…

yellowantphil

I wasn’t doing that well anyway

Unihedron

@yellowantphil :(

did you enable cloud saving?

yellowantphil

I don’t know what that is

but it sounds trendy

yellowantphil

03:54

@tchrist that’s because I periodically leave and rejoin SO

tchrist

04:07

@yellowantphil It’s the opening line from Creatures.

yellowantphil

is it morning already?

@tchrist a video game?

tchrist

@yellowantphil Why destroy your old accounts?

yellowantphil

@tchrist leave as in, do what you see on my rep graph

it’s all the same account. I just disappear for months or years at a time

tchrist

oh ok.

Mine is much more linear. Unclear why. Cosmic background radiation, I think.

yellowantphil

that must be it

my cat left his food untouched all day. I just put in more and he ran over to eat it

tchrist

04:12

No, really.

Look at my network graph. I don't do anything to deserve that. It's like compound interest or something.

Hence cosmic background radiation.

yellowantphil

I don’t know how to pull up those fancy graphs

tchrist

Go to that user profile on any site. Select network user.

Mine.

Linear.

yellowantphil

oh, fancy

log logarithmic

bjb568

Somebody tell me to get to work on DD formatting help to motivate me.

Andy

@bjb568 Eh. Put it off for a while. Go have fun.

bjb568

04:17

GAH NO

yellowantphil

@bjb568 hop to it. Pay no heed to Andy

bjb568

yay, ok

yellowantphil

he speaks lies

tchrist

@yellowantphil When the y-axis is 10k marks not 200 marks, it looks linear.

yellowantphil

maybe piecewise linear

tchrist

04:18

SO is very very smooth. That’s almost all passive rep.

yellowantphil

nobody reads my old answers. I only answer dumb questions

Doorknob

@bjb568 Think about it: What would you rather be doing? Expending effort (which means you have to do things, mind you), or not?

yellowantphil

because I don’t have enough knowledge to answer non-dumb questions off the top of my head

tchrist

Never stopped anybody.

bjb568

@Doorknob yup, will do it

am doing it

Doorknob

04:19

(pay no heed to yellowantphil either. lies, all lies)

@bjb568 oh. Appeal to laziness failed :(

yellowantphil

are you going to listen to a doorknob? :-o

ants are industrious

Doorknob

Where would the world be without my kind?

tchrist

Too much formication.

Doorknob

How would you get from place to place with all these doors blocking your path?

tchrist

Neil Gaiman has a story about that.

Doorknob

04:21

Also,

They make for excellent plot devices in low budget horror films since it is hard to open them with your hands covered in blood — PlasmaHH May 26 '14 at 10:17

yellowantphil

@Doorknob they’d always be open. A utopia with nothing but sharing and no government secrets

a world with no walls and fences needs no windows or gates... or doorknobs

Andy

@Doorknob We all have doors like this:

amazon.com/ShopWildThings-Curtain-Raindrops-Rainbow-Acrylic/dp/…

tchrist

Neverwhere (novel)

Neverwhere is the companion novelisation by Neil Gaiman of the television serial Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman and Lenny Henry. The plot and characters are exactly the same as in the series, with the exception that the novel form allowed Gaiman to expand and elaborate on certain elements of the story and restore changes made in the televised version from his original plans. Most notable is the appearance of the Floating Market at Harrods (in the novel) rather than under Battersea power station (the TV series). This is because the management of Harrods changed their minds about proposed filming. The...

yellowantphil

@Andy whoa, I could put one of those in the entryway to my living room. slightly too hippieish for me though

tchrist

‘How The Marquis Got His Coat Back’ was good.

As YA of course.

yellowantphil

04:33

kitteh vs. doorknob

not the one I was looking for, but... lots of cats can open doors, apparently

Unihedron

cat vid!

yellowantphil

bjb is busy, so I am spamming you for now

tchrist

Unsolicited Bulk Advertisement? Where is the Prince?

yellowantphil

Inf? Shog?

tchrist

The Nigerian one.

yellowantphil

04:38

I only spam cats and unicode. Nigerian cats in need of ₹

that currency symbol doesn’t look too great at that font size

tchrist

> The Queen had nine black cats and one white, her slaves, with whom she conversed, or read their memories, setting them to discover all the dark secrets of the Kingdom, so that she knew those things ‘that men wish most to keep hidden’, setting the white cat to spy upon the black, and tormenting them. No man in the Kingdom dared touch them; all were afraid of them, and cursed when they saw them pass.

> She was one of these people who loathe cats, but cats will jump on them and follow them about — you know how sometimes they pursue people who hate them? I have a friend like that. I’m afraid she took to torturing them for amusement, but she kept some and used them: trained them to go on evil errands by night, to spy on her enemies or terrify them.

So now it’s out there: @BJB568 is a spy for the evil queen. But is he the white cat or one of the nine black ones?

bjb568

im wot

tchrist

vide supra

bjb568

wot

tchrist

What ho?

►

bjb568

04:56

Em (typography)

An em is a unit in the field of typography, equal to the currently specified point size. For example, one em in a 16-point typeface is 16 points. Therefore, this unit is the same for all typefaces at a given point size. Typographic measurements using this unit are frequently expressed in decimal notation (e.g., 0.7 em) or as fractions of 100 or 1000 (e.g. 70/100 em or 700/1000 em). The name "em" was originally a reference to the width of the capital "M" in the typeface and size being used, which was often the same as the point size. == History == In metal type, the point size (and hence the em...

Huh, the image is converted to png improperly.

vs

Unihedron

05:24

[Trick naming rant] Is this really called Qtax Trick? Qtax's answer refers to PolygeneLubricants's answer as the source. Either way, I think "Self referencing capturing group" is clearer. [/Trick naming rant] [Acknowledgement and respect] Respect to all parties involved, including you Unihedron - great answer! [/Acknowledgement and respect] — Kobi 46 secs ago

OMG IT'S KOBI

bjb568

github.com/bjb568/DevDoodle/pull/196 @uni @programfox

Does the formatting help look good?

Unihedron

moment, cloning

bjb568

Am I asking a meta-meta-meta question now? — bjb568 6 secs ago

Well, while you're looking at it @uni, I'm going to sleep.

Unihedron

05:42

Night night!

bjb568

Night!

tchrist

,

user259867

06:26

The prediction data at {site}/users/prediction-data used to be for SO only; now it covers other sites too, though differently. Tag view counts are given for SO; for other sites one gets the degree of "interest" in the tag. Still, nice to know.

Jason C

07:06

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/223880/… is getting out of hand.

That's 6 out of 10 unrelated. Even though it's not a great question, it's still pretty busted. It does have clear keywords in it.

Unihedron

07:33

20 hours ago, by Unihedron

@rene Shog is right. The close system has a huge flaw, even though it's tiny. Now that SO is growing into a huge site, its tiny problems are surfacing and have to be dealt with in the right options.

tiny problems surfacing into huge problems

JonasCz

Dang it ! I just failed this first posts audit, it seems like an acceptable answer to me, even though it is not very good, or am I completely wrong here ? Review banned for 2 days now..

Unihedron

It's not an answer. It's just a bit of additional information for an obscure use case - it should had been a comment.

Jan Dvorak

07:48

Is it a good audit, though?

Unihedron

Is it worth posting an FR to allow tracking tag badge status instead of privileges when <20k?

Hobo Sapiens

09:56

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/29876078/…

Mooseman

10:29

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because Stack Overflow is not a code-writing service. — Mooseman 12 mins ago

rlemon

13:33

stackoverflow.com/users/3789463/skyboy appears to have created a sockpuppet (who answers his q's) this question was asked in the js room a couple days ago... now chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/22933239#22933239 is in the js room asking the exact same question. :/ coincidence?

JonasCz

@rlemon Maybe Flag for mod attention and explain ?

@JanDvorak It's a terrible audit, too fuzzy.

rlemon

I suppose

JonasCz

@rlemon, Question is deleted, user suspended, probably not coincidence.. I'd go ahead and tell a mod.

Madara Uchiha

@rlemon Being handled.

rlemon

damn

Jan Dvorak

13:40

\o/

rlemon

I just flagged the answer stackoverflow.com/questions/29522402/…

SORRY MODS!

Qantas 94 Heavy

I just love how they both answer with the same typo (confrim)

Braiam

14:32

@Unihedron everything is huge in china

Jan Dvorak

even firewalls

Unihedron

The Great Firewall.

Jan Dvorak

With the Great Cannon sitting on top of it

rene

Can we close vote this on MSO: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291497/…

hichris123

14:48

Tavern seems awfully quite without Smokey.

Braiam

Smokey is the soul of the room

Jan Dvorak

We have realised that spam will be gone no matter what, and we don't want to stink up the transcript anymore, though

hichris123

15:06

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29879215/…

user259867

Spammer on Android: all answers are links to the same (new) Youtube video (about rooting generically), which does not address the specifics of a question, and promotes a .com site.

hichris123

meta.stackexchange.com/help/badges/36/…

rene

@2mkgz flags away...

Bart

15:31

That was fun

hichris123

-2

A: Can't I install or update Apps from Play Store: Error 905. How to fix?

I dont know this answer of this question

ProgramFOX

!!/alive?

FOX 9000

@ProgramFOX plz send teh coffee

ProgramFOX

temporarily replacing Smokey with my clone

FOX 9000

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SQL 2008 R2 ERROR ON DATABASE ENGINE by WELLINGTON on dba.stackexchange.com

bjb568

16:02

What is happen?

Tavern is die?

Anyway, did you finish cloning yet @uni?

Unihedron

Oh no! I got sidetracked.

user259867

I wish there was a way to run Astro's editing script on all posts of a given user. Like this SharePoint user with 911 answers :-/

user259867

Every single one has no capitalization, etc.

bjb568

@Unihedron Do I need to make bjbotling repeatedly poke you until you finish so you don't get sidetracked? :p

hichris123

Yay Deputy on Android.SE.

FOX 9000

16:08

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in answer: javascript: variable defined vs function undefined by Egy Success on stackoverflow.com

bjb568

1

Q: What does вот bring to this clause?

I saw this on a website, and although I understand the meaning of the sentence, and I know that it would have the same meaning without вот, I'm curious as to what nuance it brings, or perhaps some insight into the speakers impetus to include it and under what conditions. Я равнодушен к холоду...

hehehe

You got it cloned @uni?

user259867

I'm going to say this is inappropriate: android.stackexchange.com/a/106708

AstroCB

16:28

@2mkgz I've tried to modularize it enough that you could technically copy-paste it into another script and have it work.

I use it in tandem with one of my burnination scripts.

Here's a template for that usage (I haven't updated it in a while, so YMMV): github.com/AstroCB/Stack-Exchange-Editor-Toolkit/blob/master/…

user259867

What is wrong with this picture? (Hint: no need to click through)

user259867

0

Q: I am iphone user

When mute group..did it still labelled as delivered in info messages ?

whatsapp-messenger ios

2

user259867

@AstroCB Thanks. This was mostly wishful thinking on my part: on sites other than SO batch-editing is a concern, especially if done by a <2K.

ProgramFOX

cv-pls tool rec stackoverflow.com/questions/29880391/…

user259867

16:47

need help with witch books i should buy... Is there an SE site about black magic? That would be bad for Smokey..

AstroCB

Right - suggested edits.

bjb568

Uni is die?

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 no, he's sleeping

bjb568

wow

Ok, then you test it @programfox

ProgramFOX

will do

bjb568

16:51

or look at it, it probably won't break

Unihedron

~_~ zZZz sleeping 26%

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 What to test exactly? (I'm already on a fresh clone)

bjb568

formatting help

/formatting

ProgramFOX

k

bjb568

Should cite a have normal font weight?

ProgramFOX

16:59

Where?

bjb568

<blockquote xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
		<p>All giraffes are giraffes<sup class="reference" title="By an inductive argument described on page 144">[1]</sup>.</p>
		<div><sup class="reference-list">1</sup> Chapter 2 of <cite><a href="http://example.com">example document</a></cite>.</div>
	</blockquote>

In the bottom of the formatting help, the cite a is bold italic, which might be too much.

ProgramFOX

true

why are links bold, anyway?

bjb568

They are important.

ProgramFOX

True, but the difference between bold and link is now totally not visible.

bjb568

I guess I could make it underline instead.

Will fiddle with that after eating dumplings

ProgramFOX

17:04

aside from that, it looks ok

Jason C

naa superuser.com/a/906391/245945

JonasCz

17:23

cv-plz library-request stackoverflow.com/questions/2763091/…

bjb568

@bjb568 I must admit that my knowledge of the topic is cursory at best. Adding infinitesimals loses you a number of properties of the reals, like being archimedean and complete. In my mind though the biggest issues is that actually properly formalizing infinitesimals always seemed extremely hard and it seemed to me that while some things end up being easier for students they end up completely confused in the end because they miss a lot of the nuances of the theory they work in. That might just be my own problem since my understanding isn't good enough. — DRF 44 mins ago

meh, infinitesimals make perfect sense to me

@ProgramFOX What color should anchors be?

Should it have a different :visited color?

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 Something gray/black-ish.

but with enough contrast to the background

bjb568

How's #000? Too plain?

ProgramFOX

sounds good

bjb568

There really should be a CSS sector for any h-element, typing it out is horrible

ProgramFOX

17:32

abusive? gaming.stackexchange.com/a/215461/79641

bjb568

yes

> Once you've had DICSS, you won't settle for LESS.

Less devs should have known that all these less jokes would be made…

> Nobody will judge you for what you do with your DICSS.

If that c is pronounced hard…

Unihedron

github.com/letsgetrandy/DICSS/issues

bjb568

> DICSS-Pics (DICSS plugin for working with images)

@Unihedron oh, well there you go

FOX 9000

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Invariant subspaces in a Hilbert space by mona on math.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

^ needs rollback

cv-pls one more stackoverflow.com/questions/29880969/…

bjb568

17:55

#nav a, h1 a, h2 a, h3 a, h4 a, h5 a, h6 a { text-decoration: none }
a, .ctrl {
	color: #000;
	transition: color .1s;
	cursor: pointer;
}
a:visited { color: #444 }
a:hover, .ctrl:hover { color: #15f }
a:active, .ctrl:active { color: #02d }
a.blk {
	color: #000;
	font-weight: bold;
}
a.blk:hover, a.blk:active { background: rgba(255, 255, 255, .2) }
a.blk:active { color: #00f }
.c-sig a, .ctrls a { text-decoration: none }

This looks better.

user259867

@FOX9000 rolled back

Jason C

18:18

Blech, I've spent all weekend refactoring this ridiculous application pulling site-specific hacks out into dynamic plugins, proving once again that haste makes waste. What a nightmare.

bjb568

yuk

Jason C

Well not all weekend. I did spend a few minutes doing more important things like making animate GIFs of dancing glasses of milk.

bjb568

18:42

@programfox github.com/bjb568/DevDoodle/pull/196 made the changes

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 k, will check tomorrow, have to go now

bjb568

k

ProgramFOX

So I also cannot keep running my Smokey clone. We'll have to wait for @Undo.

cya!

rene

and you're back!

hichris123

!!/alive?

!!/alive

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 8 secs ago, by hichris123

@hichris123 Of course

Okay, I'm now running a Smokey clone. :P

rene

18:57

We're doomed! A moderator support my ridiculous feature request: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291502/…

Jason C

Ha.

hichris123

@rene I'm not sure that question should have been closed... look at rev 2: stackoverflow.com/revisions/29715508/2

eh, I dunno.

rene

yeah, that ^^

I'm happy to get it reopened if someone explains how it is not working among all those php mumbo jumbo

hichris123

19:36

I hate you, Windows Vista.

3

I'll upgrade you soon enough.

Undo

@hichris123 What did it do to you now?

bjb568

I just discovered Eric Whitacre. Gets a +1 from me.

hichris123

@Undo Just everything. I'm afraid to update it as Windows Updates broke it last time; Chrome doesn't want to use GPU acceleration & DirectWrite; it's slow...

Vista reminds me...

I walked into a fairly large computer store recently. Their kiosks were all still on XP.

Wow, Vista is down to 2% market share.

bjb568

yay

still awful tho

Undo

@hichris123 Better than '95, like a lot of stores around here use

hichris123

19:42

10.10 only has 3.5% market share. :P

bjb568

@hichris123 Why not get a mac?

hichris123

@Undo Ouch. We're getting rid of our 95 computer finally.

bjb568

Is there a name for this kind of tree?

Undo

Nested lists?

Looks like nested <ul>'s

bjb568

yeah

hichris123

19:43

@bjb568 'cause this machine still works? It has a Q6600 -- one of the first quad core desktop CPUs.

bjb568

I mean a tree structure where everything has one child except the rightmost one which has 2.

@hichris123 Don't you want something that's easier to use and doesn't need unborking?

hichris123

@bjb568 Nah. Besides, we have other computers... including a new one we just built. :P

bjb568

waste. of. time.

hichris123

Nah, I can build Chrome in 90 minutes now.

Undo

Sounds kinda tedious.

hichris123

19:46

All for much much less than the price of a Mac.

@Undo It was actually really fun.

Just have to make sure you don't break anything. :P

Undo

Building Chrome?

hichris123

Oh, nope, building a computer.

Undo

Oh, yeah. I'd like to build a machine sometime and put Ubuntu Desktop on it

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Changing plugs on Kenmore dryers by Thomas Gibb on diy.stackexchange.com

hichris123

Building Chrome on the other hand... it's not super tedious... since I have it all set up, all I do now is ninja -C out/Release chrome.

Braiam

19:49

remembers the days of good ol' ./configure && make

hichris123

Ugh.

GYP is so much better than makefiles.

Jan Dvorak

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Jan Dvorak

Kitteh flagging 6 days old messages? How low of him.

rene

I flagged invalid...

bjb568

@JanDvorak What?

I just flagged your message here.

Making blind flagging accusations and cross-posting them everywhere is not appropriate.

Be nice.

Jan Dvorak

Tell me it wasn't you...

tchrist

19:56

Need a vocabulary check. What’s this:

AstroCB

0

Q: HTML5 / jQuery "T-Shirt Designer"

I'm looking for a way to create a online design generator like the common t-shirt designers from spreadshirt etc. But there is something special on it: I have two shapes. Every shape has some cutouts, like holes and so on. Now the user should upload an image and put it via drag'n'drop onto the...

javascript jquery html5 canvas

bjb568

@tchrist reddish

big

tchrist

@bjb568 The kind you make wasabi out of?

bjb568

lobster?

rene

@tchrist fisherman

tchrist

19:58

Well, that’s my question.

@rene No, I meant his fish.

bjb568

Apparently they can grow quite large.

rene

@tchrist shrimp?

bjb568

AstroCB

!xkcd find lobster

xkcdBot

As best as I can tell, I was transported here from Earth Prime sometime in the late 1990s. Your universe is identical in every way, except for the lobster thing and the thing where some of you occasionally change your clocks for some reason.

hichris123

19:59

...

AstroCB

Uh.

@xkcdBot delete

bjb568

…

hichris123

"This is how I feel about @xkcdBot"

AstroCB

@xkcdBot delete

Jan Dvorak

Could @InfiniteRecursion kick XKCDbot, please

tchrist

19:59

@rene What an oxymoron! :)

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