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hichris123

20:00

Primaries!

AstroCB

!!/so2015

SmokeDetector

@AstroCB Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Election voting begins in 3 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 46 seconds.

Caprica Six

@AstroCB That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Undo

AstroCB

Refresh your engines.

hichris123

20:00

We don't get realtime updates?! :(

bjb568

@Andy Yes, the system is the problem.

Obviously I would delete my answers after getting into primaries.

hichris123

...

rlemon

....

like.. what?!

mmyers

...

Anonymous

.....

bjb568

20:02

or maybe edit the salvageable ones.

bluefeet

@bjb568 that just bad behavior IMO

AstroCB

Looks at Shree

Downvotes to -1

Refreshes

bjb568

@bluefeet Why? They're terrible. I mean, you can disassociate them if you want.

AstroCB

-13

bluefeet

@bjb568 you shouldn't be posting crappy content in the first place

bjb568

20:03

The system's fault.

That's where I'm point my paw.

Anonymous

Dude stop giving people stuff to quote against you next election.

2

rene

something about voting, right?

bjb568

@bluefeet I'm ok if you disassociate all my recent answers.

Undo

@bjb568 mods can't disassociate.

bluefeet

@bjb568 mods don't have that ability

all you're doing is creating work for the CMs

Sterling Archer

20:04

On the other hand, keeping crappy posts from your past shows your improvement over time

bluefeet

enjoy pissing off Shog because you were trying to game the system

bjb568

@bluefeet really? huh, will fix that with DD

@bluefeet Rep is made to be gamed.

"gamification", anyone?

Mooseman

Why do people hate me so much? :'(

bluefeet

You're clearly missing the point @bjb568 and all you're doing is proving that you are not ready to be a mod

7

Anonymous

I think it's best for a candidates sanity to wait at least ten minutes before looking at the scores. ;)

bjb568

20:06

Maybe I should just quit SO.

rlemon

@JeremyBanks setInterval("F5", 1000)

Anonymous

Maybe take a few days to decompress.

bjb568

I try to help the community by moderating, all I get is a bunch of angry chat users who abuse their privilege and hold a grudge for over a year.

rlemon

lol

you need to give that tired argument up

Sterling Archer

Can I start flagging him for libel?

rlemon

20:07

if you have beef with one member, talk to them.

bjb568

The site is a forum. There are over 100 thousand questions with closevotes.

They don't get closed.

They almost never get deleted.

mmyers

@Mooseman If your avatar were Bullwinkle I bet you'd be positive

Andy

@bjb568 I see a huge list of deleted questions in just the last hour

bjb568

Mooseman is really not doing well.

rlemon

@mmyers my cats name is bullwinkle. I'll give you two guesses on my other cats name.

Andy

20:08

@bjb568 And only 2 undeleted in the last 10

bjb568

@Andy compare with the tide of crap coming in.

AstroCB

@mmyers Voting based on avatar? That might not be a bad idea...

bjb568

The depressing part of trying to answer questions: The tag pages. More than half of the questions should be closed.

mmyers

@AstroCB wait that's not how everyone votes?

bjb568

And they come in so fast.

@mmyers no

AstroCB

20:09

5 mins ago, by Jeremy Banks

Dude stop giving people stuff to quote against you next election.

mmyers

I knew I was doing something wrong

AstroCB

@bjb568 If you run next year, you're going to get chewed out by so many people.

Now I have to remember to quote that next year when it happens.

bjb568

I won't.

rlemon

@AstroCB it'll still be the js rooms fault.

Sterling Archer

All our fault.

AstroCB

20:10

!!vote by avatar or vote by potential moderator qualities

Caprica Six

@AstroCB Neither

AstroCB

Hmm...

Sterling Archer

Ohhh I didn't know Cap was here

rlemon

@Undo so, we're keeping !! ??

I have no problem changing it

Undo

Not sure

Right now I'm trying to figure out how to make a thing, I can think about it in a few

rlemon

20:11

@SterlingArcher because of the domain issue some commands might not work? also all of her previous learned commands are not copied over (probably for the best)

Sterling Archer

so.. no ... table.. flip? :(

rlemon

sadly no

Shog9

@bjb568 I left you two comments about this in various places, but... Your biggest enemy is yourself. Empathy - not the fake kind, but the sort where you actually try to figure out where folks are coming from - would vastly benefit your moderation. You're good at identifying problems, bad at finding solutions that sit well with others.

Undo

1 minute to start of SpaceX launch webcast

Andy

@bjb568 481 new answers in the last hour. 44 deleted posts in the same time period.

rlemon

20:14

@Undo \o/

wasn't aware there was a scheduled launch today

AstroCB

@Shog9 @bjb This is exactly what I was trying to tell you at the beginning of this election.

Sterling Archer

@Undo ohhh!!!

bjb568

@Andy How many of those are great fits for the site and are original genuine problems that benefit the community and everybody on Google? 1%? Less?

Shog9

@Undo tell 'em to put on ice - we have an election to watch, dammit

bjb568

It's over.

It's pretty obvious who has at least the top 2 spots.

Shog9

20:16

@bjb568 none of them. They're sand. The pearls develop later.

@bjb568 primaries are misleading. Everyone has unlimited votes.

bjb568

@Shog9 Sand? Or repurposed bovine waste?

Sterling Archer

Don't be rude

bjb568

…

OH GOD THE THANKS COMMENTS ARE STILL FLOWING IN

I HATE IT

Sterling Archer

Some of those candidates are amazing quality

Shog9

@bjb568 don't knock bovine waste. Doesn't smell pretty, but grows some damn good tomatoes.

bjb568

20:17

make it go away, the OPs suffer.

Undo

You're digging yourself a hole. Right now, right now if you stop and go take a walk, you have a shot at getting a diamond or two on the network. That's my advice, I was in a position pretty near to yours at one point.

moldovean

hello :)

rlemon

@Undo you were once a cat?

Sterling Archer

lol

rlemon

who was your surgeon?!

Undo

20:18

lol

rlemon

like, I can't even tell.

+1

Shog9

feral cat / loud-mouth kid, same difference

bjb568

Also, I must mention another reason for my dislike of SE is its awful front end. Both design and code.

hichris123

Can I have a criticism counter?

rlemon

@hichris123 would you like it to "click" or "beep"

hichris123

20:19

@SmokeDetector fp translated & looks okay

rlemon

YAY ON TIME LAUNCH! PLEASE!

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

rlemon

NO SCRUB! PLEASE NO SCRUB!

Sterling Archer

I can't right now.

WARG MY WEBCAST IS BUFFERING

hichris123

@rlemon Click please. :P

T-13...

rlemon

20:20

:we so excited:

I really enjoy seeing these rocket launches

bjb568

@hichris123 jsfiddle.net/c2a27j2p you're welcome

bluefeet

@bjb568 is that a counter for the number of times you've complained during this election period?

bjb568

Yes.

Ain'it great?

rlemon

T-10

Sterling Archer

Anvil clouds brah

hichris123

20:24

At least add a good Windows font to the mix, @bjb.

Undo

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/9682/the-pod-bay

bjb568

Wait, you guys don't have helvetica?

Undo

^ for discussion about the launch, it's easier when everything's in one place

hichris123

@bjb568 Not on Windows, nope.

Wait... am I thinking Neue?

Bart

@bjb568 I am in Helvetica ... does that count?

hichris123

20:26

no, it renders in Times New Roman.

bjb568

That's horrible

Fix it for chrome!

hichris123

@bjb568 It's a Windows problem, IIRC Helvetica is proprietary.

rlemon

Helvetica is in fact proprietary

Roboto is the best font anyways.

Sterling Archer

papyrus

Bart

Wingdings

bjb568

20:30

get out

hichris123

@rlemon I'd agree with you there.

Launch scrubbed. :(

falsarella

What does that Tavern is all about that some Candidates mentions their activity in here?

Sterling Archer

Because mods dwell here

Bart

@falsarella the Tavern is all about serious business.

Undo

@falsarella It's kinda the meta-room for the whole network, so being active here says something, however small, about how much you know/care about the system

Mare Infinitus

20:32

So this is the tavern. How is a pint of beer ordered here?

Anonymous

@falsarella They're relying on the misconception that people think anything productive ever happens here.

Bart

@MareInfinitus Brown.

Mare Infinitus

Brown?

Bart

Absolutely.

10

A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Brown Originator: jadarnel27, in chat (more) Cultural Height: TBD Background: Brown. It's the answer to everything. Because brown. Usage: Brown.

Dustin

If someone opened a physical SE tavern where I could actually order a pint of beer I would go there every day

Mare Infinitus

20:34

I see

hichris123

I WANT HAPPY HOUR BACK! :(

Sterling Archer

I would not want to be in a physical bar with some people from the SE chats xD

falsarella

Thanks for sincere explanations

Sterling Archer

Seeing their text is hard enough

Bart

@SterlingArcher I know, but don't tell @hichris123. He would get upset.

hichris123

20:35

pssst.

Sterling Archer

awshit

Dustin

I mean, people say marginally smaller amounts of dumb stuff in person

Bart

@Dustin we have never met, have we?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PROOF OF BEAL'S CONJECTURE by Nikos Mantzakouras on math.stackexchange.com

Sterling Archer

And then man was introduced to alcohol

Dustin

20:37

Not sure, I've been around for like... 4 years?

hichris123

@SmokeDetector spam?

Undo

Grrr, what's beeping?

Oh.

Bart

@hichris123 just crappy ...

hichris123

@Bart math.stackexchange.com/posts/1233390/edit

Undo

I have an incognito Smokey window somewhere, couldn't figure out where the dings were coming from :P

Dustin

20:38

Never been here before, groovy

Bart

Meh @hichris123. Nuked it should be. Spam ...

@Undo not sure if "incognito Smokey" or "incognito window"

Undo

heh

hichris123

all of the above, I guess. Spam, off-topic, VLQ... not offensive though.

Bart

@hichris123 we could edit it to include that one ...

hichris123

Is @Bart tired or something? His messages are always ending with "..." ...

Bart

20:41

They don't ...

Sterling Archer

ellipsis

I love that word

Bart

Such a pointless word

hichris123

...

See, I finished your message for you, @Bart.

Sterling Archer

actually it's more of a triple point word

Bart

I love how we finish each other's sentences @hichris123.

hichris123

20:43

~~sandwiches~~

Doorknob

oooh, time to vote on everybody for primaries

hichris123

start off with upvoting animuson...

Sterling Archer

Vote Second Rikudo :O

Bart

I'm voting bluefeet

Doorknob

I'll start off by upvoting the obvious choices (Martijn, Second Rikudo, Jon Clements, meagar)

Sterling Archer

20:45

nobody wants that bird on squad

Alexis King

Let's start a @Shog9 for moderator write-in campaign.

Sterling Archer

even evolution hates that bird

:D

Bart

cough @bluefeet cough ^^^

Sterling Archer

OMG DONT PING HIM HE'LL SEE

Bart

Well, she's surely going to kill you now

Sterling Archer

20:48

oh man oh god oh jeez what do i do

bluefeet

@Bart yes she will

Sterling Archer

Woodhouse'll know

wait.. she?

Doorknob

oh hey there's an RPG election going on too. Pretty sure I can guess the outcome of that one.

Sterling Archer

@bluefeet sorry, had no idea you were a woman. My bad!

Bart

@bluefeet murder-high-five

mmyers

20:49

Hey now. There will be no celebrating murders in this room.

bluefeet

@SterlingArcher you know what they say about assumptions...

Sterling Archer

Assumptions killed the cat i know

I'm stalking your twitter

bluefeet

it's not very interesting

rene

So now we know how birds twitter

Sterling Archer

Don't you lie to me like that

the Celtic tattoo is pretty awesome

bluefeet

20:52

@SterlingArcher ha thanks. Last session is tomorrow night

Sterling Archer

Nice!

My most exciting tweet:

its taking up space lol

bjb568

-1

A: 2015 Moderator Election Q&A - Questionnaire

bjb568's answers Technically I'm still a candidate… Just disqualified because of rep. So… A question is asked and receives some very good answers. The asker then flags this question and asks for it to be deleted because having it up will cause them trouble at work or school. Do you delete th...

somebody down voted it.

wat

Dustin

Dang how do you people have so much rep

falsarella

Can't current mods candidate themselves for re-election?

mmyers

@falsarella Mod terms don't expire, so it isn't necessary. That's why we're only electing three moderators.

Bart

20:58

@bjb568 you are not actually looking to be a moderator now or ever, are you? Otherwise you'd better stop digging your own grave.

8

Doorknob

^

The Wobbuffet

31 people downvoted martijn's nomination, 30 people are in the primary phase

AstroCB

@Doorknob … What's wrong with posting my answers? I am a candidate. — bjb568 18 secs ago

Not...anymore.

@bjb You're just trolling at this point.

falsarella

@mmyers Thanks, I got it now

bjb568

Y'all're welcome for me spending this week at my personal expense just to get ridiculed.

falsarella

21:02

So, the primary phase is just to filter the top candidates for the real election phase?

AstroCB

@falsarella Yes – the top ten advance to the real election.

bluefeet

@bjb568 I think you honestly need to just take a step back and look at how you've handled some of this.

Sterling Archer

@bjb568 honestly what did you expect to happen?

Dustin

@bjb568 you think you have it bad? Talk to H2CO3

falsarella

@AstroCB Great. Haven't found that info, thank you

meagar

21:05

@bjb568 You are going to wind up affecting your chances of getting elected next year

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

meagar

@bjb568 If you really want to be a moderator, you should realize that it's not going to happen this year, and think about how you can do better in the ~12 months you've been given to prepare

The Wobbuffet

@meagar I think he gets it now

bjb568

@meagar OMG I REALIZE THAT I WON'T BE MODERATOR, HOW IS THAT NOT BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS?

falsarella

21:07

Is there a way to order the candidates per vote count? (AKA see partial result)

The Wobbuffet

I prefer the word "blatantly"

Doorknob

@bjb568 Then why did you nominate yourself?

Alexis King

walks in, reads the star wall, looks at the discussion, walks back out

2

Doorknob

@falsarella No. Vote based on your own opinion, not based on how others are voting.

Sterling Archer

Wowza

The Wobbuffet

21:08

@Doorknob Lol do you think I nominated myself because I thought I would win

Sterling Archer

falsarella

@bjb568 "BLINDINGLY"... Oh, that's why the cat on your avatar uses dark glasses?

Alexis King

!!/fox

Caprica Six

@AlexisKing That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

The Wobbuffet

!!/help

Caprica Six

21:08

@TheWobbuffet Information on interacting with me can be found at this page

SmokeDetector

@TheWobbuffet I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and low-quality posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

Alexis King

:(

bjb568

@Doorknob current tense, not past

The Wobbuffet

AEHHEK

"!!/help" now has become ambiguous with the bots!

Doorknob

@bjb568 So do you no longer want to be a moderator?

bjb568

21:09

> I REALIZE THAT I WON'T BE MODERATOR

Sterling Archer

lol moerator

falsarella

@Doorknob Oh, no, I already voted. I was just wondering if I could see the partial results. But it makes sense to be like this...

Doorknob

@SterlingArcher what? No idea what you're talking about

@bjb568 That doesn't answer my question.

Sterling Archer

;)

bjb568

@SterlingArcher yeah, what are you talking about?

Sterling Archer

21:10

I seen't it

Doorknob

Hmm, let's see if this works

!!/die

Caprica Six

@Doorknob Registered; need 1 more to execute

Bart

@Doorknob chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/3301976/history I think he was talking about that ;)

Sterling Archer

All I could think was Moe Sizlak

Doorknob

@Bart umm, uhhhhh... that's a fake page! Nobody click that! It gives you a virus!

bjb568

21:11

achoo

The Wobbuffet

@Doorknob is this spartan thing a trojan virus? it doesn't say "internet explorer"

bjb568

-1

Q: Is my canonical dup for Vanilla JS DOM Manipulation ok?

How can I manipulate the DOM without a library like jQuery? My question wasn't particularly well-recieved. There are 3 pending votes to close as a duplicate of What do people mean by "DOM Manipulation" and how would I do that? which I don't think is really related. Is my question ok for this si...

who downvotes a discussion post?

what does that even mean?

mmyers

@TheWobbuffet Spartans are anti-Trojan

Alexis King

@bjb568 Lots of people.

Doorknob

@bjb568 "no, it's not ok"

Bart

21:13

^ that. However much I dislike it.

bjb568

That's why meta doesn't work for educating people with questions about specific questions.

Alexis King

-1

Q: Proposal for canonical question: "How do I use a debugger to debug my C++ code?"

Let's create a new canonical, community-wiki style question. The title could be "How do I use a debugger to debug my own C++ code?" Here is an example question that I would like to mark as duplicate to it: Where´s my error? Recursive Prime Factorization. This is the 3rd such question I saw in th...

discussion duplicate-questions vote-to-close community-wiki canonical

bjb568

Not that SOA would, of course.

The Wobbuffet

@mmyers being classified as a type of virus

Doorknob

@bjb568 Hrm? How do you figure that?

The Wobbuffet

21:14

@bjb568 people downvote posts they disagree with; that's the point of meta

Doorknob

Downvotes don't mean "your question is bad and you should feel bad," especially not on meta.

bjb568

@Doorknob there's a meta thread on being hispitable and nice somewhere

just go find it

falsarella

Well, see you later!

bjb568

@Doorknob I know that.

Bart

See you

Doorknob

21:15

@bjb568 So what's wrong with meta for "educating people with questions about specific questions"?

falsarella

falsarella left the room

The Wobbuffet

-16

Q: Should [waffles] be burninated?

I don't get the point of waffles. Nearly all posts with that tag are humorous and unnecessary or necessary, constructive, but waffles have nothing to do with them. Also, from their tag wiki: Waffles are supreme. That is all.

discussion burninate-request waffles

you know why this is downvoted? because people disagree with it, not because it's bad or whatever you were thinking

Sterling Archer

If anything it's technically good lol

Dustin

You monster

Alexis King

> If you didn't know this yet, SE's servers run on waffles. Tons of them, every day, are swallowed up via the disk drives into the servers, where they are converted into webpages like this very one. Waffles are vital to this website.

user259867

21:17

> i promise* i won't bite (* unless you are pizza) -- Rock The Kasra at 1:00 PM - 13 Apr 2015 via Twitter

user259867

Haaaay.

Doorknob

@pizza chomp

Bart

Kasra? Isn't he the one who is working on chat for the mobile apps?

Alexis King

@pizza Victim blaming: the pizza was asking for it. It was wearing pepperoni.

bjb568

@Doorknob A strong "go away" signal is sent.

Bart

21:18

@bjb568 a strong "stop worrying about meta votes" is sent

Doorknob

@bjb568 No, not at all.

You're taking downvotes too personally.

Sterling Archer

I love you <333 — Sterling Archer Aug 5 '14 at 19:50

Alexis King

Votes on meta don't even mean anything anymore.

Doorknob

There's no rep on meta for a reason.

Sterling Archer

@bluefeet now I understand why you never loved me back

The Wobbuffet

21:18

ehr

Sterling Archer

Life is so clear now

The Wobbuffet

no rep on per-site metas

Sterling Archer

Your feet are still funny though

bluefeet

@SterlingArcher what? why?

Sterling Archer

Because I hate on your feet so much lol

Conspicuous Compiler

21:30

@AlexisKing What about the Convention badge?

Alexis King

@ConspicuousCompiler Well, okay, besides that, but once you have it, it's not going to go away.

And bjb already has Convention.

bjb568

@AlexisKing unless account merge

wat macrumors.com/2015/04/13/start-something-new-art-lawsuit

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SPRING XD SQOOP JOB FAILED FOR JDBC TO HDFS DATA IMPORT by NEO on stackoverflow.com

Undo

@bjb568 Sounds like the guy copyrighted "uplifting, bright and happy visual themes." Explains a lot.

Current standings:

1. Martijn Pieters
2. meagar
3. Jon Clements
4. Second Rikudo
5. Matt
6. deceze
7. Undo
8. Jason C
9. Raghav Sood
10. Paresh Mayani
11. Ed Cottrell
12. slugster
13. Jeremy Banks
14. Andy
15. Qantas 94 Heavy
16. Thomas Owens
17. vcsjones
18. Sergey K.
19. Moshe
20. hichris123
21. rekire
22. codeMagic
23. Michael Irigoyen
24. AstroCB
25. Unihedro
26. Shree
27. Amit Joki
28. Idan Adar
29. Hemang
30. Mooseman

Sterling Archer

:cheers for Rikudo:

Dustin

21:43

Look at that question SmokeDetector brought up... I thought it was just random crap pasted in but apparently it's actually an attempt to communicate?? Can anyone figure out what the poor guy is saying?

bjb568

If Second Rikudo gets elected, I'll quit SO.

Sterling Archer

@bjb568 have you even had a conversation with the guy?

Shog9

@bjb568 Demand the best: First Rikudo or bust!

4

bjb568

@SterlingArcher … What do you think the answer to that is?

Sterling Archer

... how am I supposed to keep track of who you know and don't know?

Is it so hard to answer a simple question

bjb568

21:47

yes

Sterling Archer

Wow

Shog9

Aside: it's pretty tasteless to get all dour about any candidate winning an election. For better or worse, on SE you have to trust your peers - they're the ones making it all work; elections are a tiny, tiny part of that.

bjb568

I don't trust him.

And that won't change.

Sterling Archer

Why

Shog9

I hate all of you, but I trust that you're doing your best and somehow we're all gonna make it work.

2

bjb568

21:48

I don't feel like explaining it.

Sterling Archer

Don't tell me, it involves him being a JS room owner

bjb568

nc

Sterling Archer

If you don't feel like explaining why you said something, do us all a favor and don't say it. It makes you look pedantic

Especially when it has to do with another person

Shog9

@SterlingArcher no, he just really, really hates naruto.

Sterling Archer

Oh that's what his avatar is about?

I don't anime lol

bjb568

21:51

@SterlingArcher Why? I say what I like.

Shog9

@SterlingArcher I guess; I had to google the name.

bjb568

Oh hi, he appears suddenly.

Sterling Archer

Hi @SecondRikudo

Second Rikudo

@bjb568 I have Shoglike powers to sense when I'm being talked about

Even without being pinged.

Sterling Archer

It's rather frightening sometimes

bjb568

21:53

notsuspiciousatall

Dustin

Man, I gotta leave to go teach right when it gets exciting in here. Later taters.

Sterling Archer

So suspcious

Shog9

@Dustin there'll still be drama when you get back. We'll keep it warm for you.

2

Dustin

@shog9 thanks bro

hichris123

@Shog9 How about the popcorn, hmm?

Shog9

21:54

no, that'll be gone

bring more

Sterling Archer

I can make the best popcorn <3

my mom taught me how to do it with coconut oil so it's semi-healthy

AstroCB

in Stack Overflow 2015 Moderator Election Chat on Stack Overflow Chat, 9 mins ago, by AstroCB

If anyone wants a quick score breakdown: http://jsfiddle.net/AstroCB/5frgy9nx/

Undo

@AstroCB write it in Python and I'll put it in Smokey

Second Rikudo

@bjb568 If you don't like me, that's fine, don't vote for me. If you wish to quit SO, that's also fine, no one is stopping you. I don't, however, intend to feed trolls and defend my position against those who don't even bother pointing out the flaws in it.

AstroCB

@Undo I was planning on copy-pasting it to xkcdBot so that I don't have to translate it to another language...

user259867

21:57

@AstroCB I never used http://whateverorigin.org/; has it been around for a while? Wonder about the chances of it not disappearing next week.

Sterling Archer

~~drop the mic drop the mic drop the mic~~

Undo

@AstroCB that'd work too :)

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