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AstroCB

00:00

Oh.

"One minute until stars are replenished..."

@xkcdBot Ladies and gentlemen, tchrist.

tchrist

No me apetece.

Roombatron5000

@AstroCB stars aren't replenished at start of new utc day? or are they?

AstroCB

@Roombatron5000 They are.

I'm pretty sure we had a discussion about this before somewhere.

tchrist

Restellation is always at 0 UTC.

user259867

Everything is replenished at 0 UTC, except API quota.

AstroCB

00:09

Let's give @tchrist his favorite 'stache.

!mustache 4 upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/ce/…

xkcdBot

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AstroCB

> Understood, but how do I vote for you? – fahadash 5 hours ago

Actually, this one's the best:

in Botlings practice room, 51 secs ago, by xkcdBot

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Aug 13 '14 at 4:32, by AstroCB

To address our earlier conversation about stars: they are based on UTC.

user259867

00:25

In Smoke Detector School, Smokey keeps reporting all "try this code" answers as gibberish. Maybe he's on to something.

AstroCB

Ugh – SE's using target="_blank" for their Network ads.

Worth a Meta post?

user259867

SPAM joomla.stackexchange.com/questions/9440/…

meagar

@AstroCB Due to the problem with the destination having access to window.parent()?

AstroCB

@meagar Due to all of the problems with target="_blank".

I don't think XHTML even allows it anymore.

user259867

Remember XHTML?

AstroCB

00:38

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A: Is it alright use to target="_blank" in HTML5?

"it's by the easiest way to open a new window for something like a PDF" It's also the easiest way to annoy non-Windows users. PDF open just fine in browsers on other platforms. Opening a new windows also messes up the navigation history and complicates matter on smaller platforms like smartphone...

> THAT being said, web developers should make it absolutely clear where their links go, what types and/or formats of sources they reference, and what they do. Tooltips can be your friend (unless you're using a tablet or phone; in that case, specify these on the mobile site). We all know how much it sucks to be taken somewhere we weren't expecting or make something happen we didn't mean to.

xkcdBot

xkcdBot initialized.

user259867

Disclosure: the link after SPAM in my message above leads to a spam post (and opens in a new window/tab despite not having target="_blank")

AstroCB

Blacklist candidate http://www.moneyonlineinvestment.com/

bjb568

When manipulating the Document Object Model with Vanilla JS, you will be directly be accessing the [`Document`](developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document) and [`Node`](developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Node)s. A document contains [`Element`](developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Element)s, particularly [`HTMLElement`](developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLElement)s and [`SVGElement`](developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/SVGElement)s which are both `Node`s. An `Element` may contain [`Text`](developer.mozilla.org/en-…

What do you think?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PERCENTAGE PROBLEM FROM 8TH GRADE MATHEMATICS by ANMOL KUMAR on math.stackexchange.com

bjb568

00:42

snippets make writing really slow

0

Q: How can I manipulate the DOM without a library like jQuery?

I am used to using jQuery for manipulating the DOM, for example: var mything = $("#mything"); mything.on("click", function() { mything.addClass("red"); mything.html("I have sinned."); }); But now I want to do the same things with Vanilla Javascript. Is this possible? How can I do it? ...

whew

CW'd

user259867

* JavaScript

bjb568

Huh?

user259867

Capitalization

user259867

Vanilla yogurt is yogurt with vanilla flavor added to it. What does one add to JS to get Vanilla JS?

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bjb568

Nothing!

user259867

00:49

Adding nothing to yogurt makes plain yogurt, not vanilla yogurt.

bjb568

s/plain yogurt/yuk/

!!/election

user259867

Is "yogurt" already a name of some programming language? Hard to find a word that isn't.

bjb568

What's the command?

user259867

!!/help

SmokeDetector

@pizza I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and low-quality posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

bjb568

00:51

!!/commands

!!/givemetehcommands!

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@bjb568 Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

user259867

> A command list is available here.

bjb568

!!/election?

y?

user259867

!!/so2015

SmokeDetector

@pizza Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Primaries begin in 0 days, 19 hours, 8 minutes and 12 seconds.

tchrist

00:52

@pizza Try pure.

bjb568

purity

user259867

Yes, that'll work.

tchrist

Where’s the Javascript Purity Test at these days, anyway?

bjb568

<—

tchrist

↖ ?

bjb568

00:56

yes, me!

tchrist

yesses @bj

Prueba de la Pureza Telarañal

One could do better.

bjb568

Google translate: Cobweb purity test!

@tchrist purity test

@tchrist no labels for checkboxes

@tchrist dies

tchrist

> direct Javascript DOM manipulation

> virgin Javascript DOM manipulation

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> purely Javascript DOM manipulation

> 100% extra virgin Javascript DOM manipulation

> unsullied Javascript DOM manipulation

> framework-free Javascript DOM manipulation

> unfettered Javascript DOM manipulation

bjb568

@Astro I don't see why the edit, broad questions generally aren't allowed.

hichris123

01:11

One last close vote: stackoverflow.com/questions/29528780/…

tchrist

Values of beeta will give rise to Dom!

user259867

Yay for direct DOM manipulation using browser devtools.

user259867

I don't know how nobody came up with this earlier, in the Era of 100MB GIFs.

bjb568

Uh, but that really is too broad for a single question. I thought you were targeting "How to write this jQuery code with vanilla JS" or so only. Can you link specific already-asked questions that I might close? — Bergi 4 mins ago

halp

search sux

Doorknob

!!/so2015

SmokeDetector

01:15

@Doorknob Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Primaries begin in 0 days, 18 hours, 44 minutes and 25 seconds.

bjb568

@astro thanks for edit

tchrist

Seriously, please remove Vanilla, either completely or replacing it with something in lowercase.

AstroCB

@bjb568 It doesn't matter; that's the nature of canonical dupes. It's effectively the same thing as self-answering a question and saying "THIS IS A SELF-ANSWERED ~~QUESTION~~. THANKS.", which is generally discouraged.

!xkcd find JavaScript

xkcdBot

The SLS head engineer plans to invite Shania Twain to stand under the completed prototype, then tell her, 'I don't expect you to date me just because I'm a rocket scientist, but you've gotta admit--this is pretty fucking impressive.'

AstroCB

@xkcdBot What...does that have to do with JavaScript?

bjb568

01:21

… nothing?

yellowantphil

did they write the Saturn V code in JavaScript? Did Nazis invent JavaScript?

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Doorknob

!xkcd find doorknob

xkcdBot

Hipster CDC Reports Flu Epidemic Peaked Years Ago

Doorknob

wut

I guess... I guess there are germs on doorknobs?

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AstroCB

Is it April Fools' Part 2? What is Google doing?

Doorknob

01:22

!xkcd find cat

xkcdBot

Yes you are! And you're sitting there! Hi, kitty!

bjb568

METAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Doorknob

@xkcdBot yes! I was hoping for that one :D

tchrist

> Who knows what weevils lurk in the hearts of men? The Google knows!

AstroCB

!xkcd find weevil

xkcdBot

01:23

My upcoming album, 'Linked List', has covers of 'The Purple People Eater', the Ninja Turtles theme, 'Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini', and the Power Rangers theme, with every song played to the tune of the next.

yellowantphil

!xkcd find ''

xkcdBot

No results found.

AstroCB

???

yellowantphil

bah!

Doorknob

!xkcd find no results found

xkcdBot

01:23

'So, uh, we did the green study again and got no link. It was probably a--' 'RESEARCH CONFLICTED ON GREEN JELLY BEAN/ACNE LINK; MORE STUDY RECOMMENDED!'

Doorknob

haha, I guess...?

tchrist

The green ones will turn you into a bunny.

bjb568

Wait, so you're just pulling together things that have already been answered in a more piece-wise fashion, and then expect all of the others to be closed? Why...? — monners 1 min ago

MY GAWD WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN EVERY TIME A POST A CANON DUP?

tchrist

hears Jeopardy theme playing

yellowantphil

not everyone is as canonical as you are?

tchrist

01:26

@bjb568 Nikon shooters.

bjb568

huh?

AstroCB

exact duplicate of What do people mean when they say "DOM Manipulation"? — Qantas 94 Heavy 23 secs ago

@bjb Your canonical dupe just got duped.

bjb568

wat

tchrist

passes around collection jar

AstroCB

Quick! Close that question as a dupe of yours!

tchrist

01:27

Vroom vroom vroom.

Ever closer to the deadly embrace.

AstroCB

@Qantas94Heavy No, that's barely tangentially related. — bjb568 19 secs ago

tchrist

Or deadly embarrassment. Only time will tell.

Doorknob

every single comment there is at +1 except for stackoverflow.com/questions/29596357/…

Not anymore.

Andrew T.

Whoever wins the argument on bjb's canonical post, goes through the primary voting phase.

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AstroCB

^

The Wobbuffet

01:29

well, umm... i'm out of the election again

yellowantphil

@TheWobbuffet a victim of the deathmatch. que the sad music ♪

Doorknob

cue*

yellowantphil

gaa!

no I was writing in French. What the sad music. ?

The Wobbuffet

uhh

it's not over yet

yellowantphil

and I always whine about "barbeque"... alas

@TheWobbuffet better earn some rep fast though

The Wobbuffet

01:31

starts mockingjay music

Qantas 94 Heavy

I know you're desperately trying hard for reputation, but creating fake canonical questions doesn't really work.

AstroCB

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 45 mins ago, by bjb568

2

A: How can I manipulate the DOM without a library like jQuery?

When manipulating the Document Object Model with Vanilla JS, you will be directly be accessing the Document and Nodes. A document contains Elements, particularly HTMLElements and SVGElements which are both Nodes. An Element may contain Text too. Finding Elements You can get the first element wh...

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 45 mins ago, by bjb568

Y'all'd better like this.

tchrist

@yellowantphil ¿Qué?

AstroCB

And you wonder why it's not being well received.

The Wobbuffet

@Qantas94Heavy that's not how i role

tchrist

01:32

@AstroCB Mirabile visu.

yellowantphil

@tchrist it's French. or a grievous misspelling. or both

bjb568

@AstroCB Benjamin likes them, at least, I thot he was representative.

tchrist

Take not the name of Thoth in vain.

The Wobbuffet

hmm...

hichris123

One last close vote: stackoverflow.com/questions/29462323/…

AstroCB

01:33

!comp Mirabile visu

The Wobbuffet

it's impossible for me to pass bjb or astro unless i get a lot of accepted answers

meagar

@bjb568 Voted to close as too broad

One huge master question isn't a good idea

Doorknob

@tchrist Thoth, the neutral god of the Wizard pantheon?

yellowantphil

@TheWobbuffet or a bounty. it's how Astro did it

AstroCB

> Wonderful to behold.

meagar

01:34

There are no search terms that will lead to such a question

The Wobbuffet

@yellowantphil Bounties bypass the cap?

Qantas 94 Heavy

@yellowantphil it's a bit late for a bounty now.

bjb568

@meagar You disagree with all canonical dups? What?

AstroCB

@TheWobbuffet Of course.

Doorknob

!!/so2015

SmokeDetector

01:34

@Doorknob Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Primaries begin in 0 days, 18 hours, 25 minutes and 14 seconds.

Doorknob

^ that much time left.

meagar

At least with something like "How can I look up an element by ID without JavaScript" some SEO is possible

@bjb568 No, obviously I don't

AstroCB

Otherwise, there would be no bounties above 200.

The Wobbuffet

hmm

i'm stupid

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bjb568

@meagar Well, you should know that almost everybody on meta disagrees with you.

The Wobbuffet

01:35

well, i've never gotten a bounty before

yellowantphil

wait, let's say somebody serial upvotes The Wobbuffet. (No, don't do it.) Then he makes it to the primaries before the voting is reversed. Then what?

meagar

Then they can vote to reopen if it gets closed?

And democracy will live on

AstroCB

@TheWobbuffet It takes some work.

bjb568

@yellowantphil then he's in the primaries.

meagar

This is a great canonical answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/14220321/…

yellowantphil

01:35

by treachery!!!

AstroCB

Unless you're an SE dev, in which case it can be as simple as adding a space somewhere.

Or really, if you're on Meta at all.

The Wobbuffet

i'm not going to serial upvote myself

3

yellowantphil

someone else's treachery

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What would you call a person that nags a lot? by Cynthia stevens on english.stackexchange.com

AstroCB

Where's that update summary from a dev?

hichris123

01:37

@SmokeDetector NAA

lol

Doorknob

offensive?

tchrist

@Doorknob Nay, the Prince Who Was a Thousand: Thoth, sun-eyed Set’s son and father.

Doorknob

oooookay.

AstroCB

> I'd like to start by dedicating this release to Meta user Floris for asking "Allow switching apps in iOS a [sic] without losing edit". [sic] I spent literally 7 weeks of my life and my sanity implementing state restoration and got like 55 rep from it. In the weeks following, I've earned 1000 on tiny feature requests here and there. That said, the feature is really awesome and I'm super excited about it.

tchrist

You should read that.

hichris123

01:38

@tchrist Egyptian mythology?

tchrist

@hichris123 Zelazny.

But yes.

hichris123

Don't feel like downloading the pdf.

Doorknob

^

tchrist

Buy the book.

user259867

193

Mythology

Proposed Q&A site for theologians, professors, historians and scholars who want to learn about the gods and their stories. Anyone willing to learn and have a taste for mythology are welcome. All types of Mythology from across the globe will be covered here.

Currently in commitment.

user259867

01:39

So close.

hichris123

hrm, interesting.

tchrist

It is beyond awesome. And brief.

hichris123

@tchrist Or go to the library.

tchrist

Creatures of Light and Darkness

Creatures of Light and Darkness is a 1969 science fiction novel by Roger Zelazny. Long out of print, it was reissued in April 2010. == Plot introduction == The novel is set in the far future, with humans on many worlds. Some have god-like powers, or perhaps are gods — the names and aspects of various Egyptian Gods are used. Elements of horror and technology are mixed, and it has points in common with Cyberpunk. Creatures of Light and Darkness was originally conceived and written as nothing more than a writing exercise in perspective by Roger Zelazny. He wrote it in present tense, constructed an...

James

Morning everyone

tchrist

01:40

Joy!

yellowantphil

@tchrist so... “serial upvote” or “serially upvote”?

as in, “some one serially upvoted the Wobbuffet”

Doorknob

option B

tchrist

@yellowantphil I would use #2.

Otherwise you would have to hyphenate it.

Wel, hafta is strong.

yellowantphil

or turn serialupvote into a word

tchrist

> Unlike other books by Zelazny, such as Lord of Light or the series The Chronicles of Amber, this novel is more poetic in style, and contains less straightforward action. However, like other novels, Zelazny incorporates ancient myth, in this case from Egyptian and some Greek myth, and weaves ultra-futuristic technology with fantasy elements.

> The Universe was once ruled by the god Thoth, who administered the different forces in the Universe to keep things in balance. In time, he delegated this administration to his "Angels" (other god-like beings), who were each in charge of different "stations", or forces in the Universe. Such stations included the House of the Dead, the House of Life, the House of Fire, and so on.

> Thoth's son Set, who through an anomaly in Time is also his father, fights the creature across a devastated planet. Just as Set is about to destroy the creature, he is attacked by the Angel Osiris, who unleashes the Hammer That Smashes Suns, a powerful weapon that nearly kills Set and the creature. Thoth's brother, Typhon, who was helping Set in the battle, vanishes without a trace and is presumed dead.

Now, read no more spoilers and read the book.

Doorknob

01:43

> Thoth's son Set, who through an anomaly in Time is also his father

hahaha

The Wobbuffet

would it work to steal astro's bounty

yellowantphil

@tchrist that doesn't exactly sound like sci-fi with all those Angels of Life and so on

@TheWobbuffet how are you going to steal a bounty?

tchrist

The angels are the powers appointed to the stations. The stationmasters.

The Wobbuffet

@yellowantphil the less you know

tchrist

Horus gets bitchslapped by Thoth:

yellowantphil

01:44

@tchrist maybe I’ll read it

tchrist

> “Cursed be my mother’s name!”
Suddenly, the Prince stands before him on the floor of the chamber and slaps him with the back of his hand.
“I could have slain you a dozen times over, had I chosen,” says the Prince, “as you stood there. But I refrained, for you are my brother. I could slay you now, but I will not. For you are my brother. I bear no arms, for I need none. I bear no malice, or the burden of my life would be staggering. But do not speak ill of our mother, for her ways are her own. I neither praise nor do I blame. I know that you have come here to kill me. If you wish to enjoy a…

Doorknob

@TheWobbuffet If you want to steal bjb's spot, you need to earn 356 rep in 18 hours.

That is, you have to repcap and then somehow gain 156 extra rep (ex. via 11 accepted answers).

yellowantphil

“I bear no malice, or the burden of my life would be staggering.” ← words to live by

tchrist

Indeed.

There is wisdom here, too.

bjb568

@Qantas94Heavy "What is the DOM" ≠ "How can I manipulate it with Vanilla JS" — bjb568 11 secs ago

Election stats: (30 / 32 noms, 3 positions)
Ty221              3231 17/40
The Wobbuffet      4557 15/40
bjb568             4912 21/40
hichris123         5043 22/40
AstroCB            5110 22/40
Shree              5460 17/40
Unihedro           6612 24/40
Hemang             7241 22/40
Andy              11211 29/40
Undo              11415 30/40
Michael Irigoyen  12183 29/40
Mooseman          12270 29/40
Ed Cottrell       14117 33/40
Sergey K.         15282 34/40
Jason C           18435 36/40
rekire            19001 37/40

The Wobbuffet

01:47

i need to go into the past and make myself care about rep

tchrist

@bjb568 Why Do You Keep Majusculating In Public?

yellowantphil

maybe he’s German

bjb568

@tchrist what?

The Wobbuffet

okay

i'm not even going to try getting a bounty

because if someone accepts it within time then it's only 1/2

tchrist

@bjb568 Your lacunae mentis can be stultifying. Have you no tutor of life?

bjb568

01:51

English?

Pls?

tchrist

Swiss-cheese brain for cultural references.

I was trying to be polite.

But you insisted on something else.

bjb568

@tchrist don't

@tchrist yes

yellowantphil

majuscule = capital letter
Majusculating = probably something tchrist made up

tchrist

I can do that, you know: I have a native speaker’s licence.

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bjb568

@yellowantphil So what did I do?

Use capitals?

yellowantphil

01:53

to appease tchrist? stop capitalizing vanilla

bjb568

Vanilla.

tchrist

Vanilla

bjb568

vanilla-js.com

Vanilla.

yellowantphil

domain names are case-insensentive anyway

vANIlla-jS.coM

Doorknob

> Final size: 0 bytes uncompressed, 25 bytes gzipped.

tchrist

01:54

OFTLOATH

Doorknob

lol

Andrew T.

Sidenote: Vanilla JS is a real thing. Unless you meant that, you probably wanted to use "pure JavaScript" as described on the tag info. — Andrew T. 1 min ago

yellowantphil

everything is a real thing :-|

The Wobbuffet

my old macbook only has audio out, no in :(

Doorknob

@AndrewT. ... uhhhh, you might want to look at that link more closely

Qantas 94 Heavy

01:54

LOL

tchrist

Pass the frawlpin, please.

Andrew T.

I'm stupid

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yellowantphil

I blame the Vanilla JS people for all of this

bjb568

Reading the odyssey.

> children and fools, they killed and feasted on the cattle of Lord Hêlios

tchrist

Odyssey

bjb568

01:58

ಠ_ಠ

tchrist

Which translation?

bjb568

Robert Fitzgerald

tchrist

That’s not bad.

I do like Fagles. And Pope.

Andrew T.

@TheWobbuffet you withdraw your nomination? there's still a chance if 2 other people suddenly withdraw... somehow...

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