Tavern on the Meta

J. Steen

14:01

@Unihedro Fixed.

Unihedro

Good.

J. Steen

@Unihedro I know.

James

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/82665/revisions - really? It's a tag desc not help center

J. Steen

He was extremely active at editing old cruft.

James

Can someone roll back?

tchrist

14:04

@James To what purpose?

James

Did you read it?

J. Steen

@James just fyi: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/251487/…

tchrist

@James Oh aye.

@J.Steen Oh, I see the problem now: never trust anybody’s edit who writes please communicate my gratitude to whomever created the perfect test conditions.

James

I was going to quote the bad bits for an example, but that'd be 90% of it

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard "so long and thanks for the fish" the question said.

SmokeDetector

14:10

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: Is there a way to access Skype IM logs? by diaa attia on stackoverflow.com

Jason C

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@JasonC Blacklisted user.

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist nothing in Google by now and can't search deleted questions. Looks like a dead end then? :(

SPArchaeologist

I had already searched Google.

@ShadowWizard and the favorite questions obviously is gone too.

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist what do you mean? If you favorited it then it should still be there, marked in red

SmokeDetector

14:16

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Activation of muscle fibers by Silke Busch on meta.stackexchange.com

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard I. See. Nothing.

J. Steen

/Manuel

There are so many questions I want to close...

tchrist

@J.Steen Suggest against using sox.

J. Steen

Que?

Infinite Recursion

The only question mark in this question is on the 4th point stating Clear Enough? and the answer is NO. — rude 28 mins ago

tchrist

14:22

Well, if you had a couple of socks, you could VTC 150 QPD.

J. Steen

I... I am confused.

tchrist

3 mins ago, by J. Steen

There are so many questions I want to close...

Jason C

Sox are fine as long as you're not wearing sandlz.

J. Steen

I don't see how socks help!

tchrist

Have them VTC.

Jason C

14:23

They keep your feet warm, help prevent blisters, etc...

J. Steen

...oh. THAT kind of sock.

bjb568

prefers slippers

Braiam

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/2925080/792066

Infinite Recursion

i dont say hate to you @fbueckert but rene downvote all my questions — saman 17 mins ago

tchrist

More lip.

Jason C

14:24

prefers sliprz

J. Steen

tchrist has PROTECTIONATED it.

James

Reviewing a dupe - do we "leave open" if closing as a dupe would end up in a circle?

ɥʇǝS

Well it seems smokey is picking up the flickr spam @Unihedro. Anything special we need to do or did you ping me because it was AU spam? Either way, user destroyed :-D

Infinite Recursion

> I'm not trying to do sleuthing, just a project for my girlfriend.

Unihedro

@ɥʇǝS update filters

Jason C

14:26

@James Link?

Braiam

@InfiniteRecursion ?

James

@JasonC meta.stackexchange.com/review/close/38077

Andrew T.

who is this "rude" user? he knows about "bounty as donation" well enough. suspicious...

Infinite Recursion

@Braiam A quote from that post :)

Jason C

@James Close as dupe of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2786/…

ɥʇǝS

14:28

Ah. Well what do we need to update of smokey is already detecting it?

@Unihedro I'm not sure we could add flickr to the keywords without false positives..

Shadow Wizard

good find @Jason!

Braiam

@InfiniteRecursion yeah, but doesn't seems to me he wants a "programing" solution, not even a language of preference

we already have this anyways superuser.com/q/315486/235569

Infinite Recursion

I agree, cv'ed it.

Jason C

@ShadowWizard [ SmokeDetector ] Awesome detected: JasonC on everywhere

@JasonC tpu

Braiam

mistyped the "to be" verb in hopes that it would summon Jan... failed miserably

ɥʇǝS

14:30

Added to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user

2

Doorknob

whois awesome mods

Infinite Recursion

my last question gone but in this question i said to her and she dont say anything this means she do that — saman 14 mins ago

Jason C

Lol

ɥʇǝS

@JasonC that doesn't quite do what you want :-P

Andrew T.

her

Jason C

14:31

Files a bug report.

Doorknob

in Sandbox on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 29 secs ago, by Feeds

[Doorknob]

grr, I wanted to move that message here but realized it's on chat.SE, not chat.MSE :P

ɥʇǝS

MOD ABUSE!!!!!1!

Braiam

sad trombone

3

Jason C

Oh wow, they finally sort of de-stupidded sadtrombone.com.

J. Steen

WEB 3.0!!!!!

bjb568

14:35

*3.1

Braiam

@J.Steen we are in the 6.28

bjb568

@Braiam yay tau!

Jason C

Heh; well it used to be i.sstatic.net/gQ7go.jpg, then for a while it turned to i.sstatic.net/Nti9i.png.

I used it as an anti black topbar argument a while ago.

James

Thanks @JasonC

Jason C

Always glad to contribute nothing to the conversation.

Shadow Wizard

14:40

@JasonC [ WAGDetector ] MIA: JasonC was not seen for a long time in Den

:P

Jason C

Oh! Haha. That's right. I think the last time I was in the den I cried and ran away in shame and disappointment or something.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC yup. due to stats error on your side. I added lots of stuff since then, including text file with ALL unique words - over 20K :)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in username: Where to download Ubuntu kernel source code? by baba ramdev on askubuntu.com

Shadow Wizard

anyway @Jason your winning word was last used back in Nov 15 '14 6:18 PM - it's that bad ;)

Undo

@Unihedro Anyone handled this yet?

Jason C

14:48

@ShadowWizard Oh that's terrible.

Unihedro

@Undo Negative

Undo

kk

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC haha, guess it will be fixed soon ;)

Doorknob

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/391137

sigh

Shadow Wizard

anyone with permissions can fp smokey above? that's not the spammer baba

Unihedro

14:50

@Doorknob Why do I sense child-meta effect incoming? ;D

J. Steen

What a moroon.

Jason C

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@JasonC Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Infinite Recursion

@SmokeDetector fpu

SmokeDetector

@InfiniteRecursion Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Jason C

14:53

cv-plz askubuntu.com/questions/598747/… duplicate of askubuntu.com/questions/597840/… (he asked the same question 2 days ago).

Undo

@Unihedro I got a screenshot of it and looked it over, the only real distinguishing feature I could see that we could put into a regex is the Flickr url in the title, which we'll catch anyway

Jason C

cv-plz askubuntu.com/questions/597840/… dupe of askubuntu.com/questions/167468/…

@JasonC Will you please shut up!!.. You're my private beech .. So, keep answer!! ..stupid! — baba ramdev 26 secs ago

Undo

cv-pls too broad stackoverflow.com/q/2040395/1849664

Jason C

Lawl.

Undo

haha

Doorknob

15:03

delv-plz stackoverflow.com/a/29145153/1223693

Undo

Review task for <20kers

Jason C

I've been called many things, but never hot and sandy.

random

cv-plz primarily opinion based One hour left to close NCAA bracket collection

Undo

@Doorknob gone

Jason C

Did we just get chat spammed?

Undo

15:06

@JasonC heh, no

I'm out of LQP reviews and @Doorknob hasn't used one today. Bad doorknob.

Doorknob

What's with the flag?

Undo

@Doorknob er what flag?

Doorknob

@Undo the one on random's message

Jason C

I did that, it was a reflex.

Unihedro

:\

Undo

15:07

hehe, that's what spam watching will do to you :)

Jason C

fpu

Doorknob

@Undo I have now used one LQP review. I hope that's enough. :P

Undo

(and you're not a real user if you haven't reflex-flagged one of random's messages)

@Doorknob you're 5% of the way there

Doorknob

oh

Unihedro

Always think, and think again, before flagging.

SmokeDetector

15:08

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PLEASE HELP ME RECOGNIZED THIS MOVIE by Ng Ming Chiat on movies.stackexchange.com

random

The Love Guru

Jan Dvorak

@gnat never assume malice in those who just want to pick up the trash — Jan Dvorak 8 secs ago

James

@Unihedro That's twice thinking as much as I prefer to do

Jason C

:( I have a bad habit of leaving my laptop charge next to the laptop instead of plugged into it.

Note to self: You're doing it wrong.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in username: How to get Source code for Ubuntu? by baba ramdev on askubuntu.com

Jason C

15:19

Didn't he get whitelisted before?

Undo

yeah

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 8 secs ago, by Undo

User whitelist seems borked

Shadow Wizard

@Undo so we're all baba? :P

Undo

How long's it been since we got baba spam anyway?

Jan Dvorak

<24h

Undo

oh :(

Jason C

15:22

Feb 19 at 9:46, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: love black magic specialist 08427441355 baba ji molvi ji by babaji66 on webapps.stackexchange.com

One month since smokey got one anyways.

Undo

huh, somehow I thought he'd given up

tchrist

I mentioned him yesterday. My bad.

Shadow Wizard

LOL, smokey also found this

2

Q: Baba Sali and his Torah chiddushim

I can not find any Torah writings from the Baba Sali. Does anybody know where I can find his Torah?

Braiam

> > May program does not capitalize the first letter in each word. Instead I get
> > May program does not capitalize the first letter
> > May program does not capitalize
> > May program

O_O

user259867

May. May is coming.

Shadow Wizard

15:27

o_O

Braiam

cv-pls meta.stackoverflow.com/q/288354/792066

Jason C

@Woodface A dark wind howls

Hobo Sapiens

cv-pls Off topic: stackoverflow.com/q/22236303/1864610

Braiam

@HoboSapiens roomba will take care of it

Roombatron5000

15:43

should I award nicael the bounty or no?

James

@Roombatron5000 Hang on, let me make a better answer :P

Unihedro

Yes!

@James It already ended.

Roombatron5000

@Unihedro are you just saying that since he gave you 500 bounty before?

any non-biased people want to weigh in?

Unihedro

@Roombatron5000 I'm saying that because it's eligible for automatic rewarding. If you don't reward it, half of the amount goes to waste.

bummi

^^^^^^^^

Unihedro

15:48

Plus, part of me feels that you're asking for the sake of asking, you probably do want to award it anyway. :p

Jason C

^^^

Roombatron5000

@Unihedro But if I don't reward it that means everyone's rep is worth more since there is 25 less rep in existence?

Jason C

And it's not like nicael's not going to give it away soon anyways.

Unihedro

@Roombatron5000 That's not how virtual internet points work.

Jason C

@Roombatron5000 I'll upvote 5 questions to spite you.

Unihedro

15:49

You're not paying taxes by letting the rep go to waste, you're wasting. xD

Roombatron5000

ok , i done it, thanks for help!

Unihedro

^_^

Well done! You've made the world a better place by awarding your own hard earned points to those who you feel deserves. Consider yourself a hero.

Not many people does that.

Except for those who want the badge, I suppose.

ProgramFOX

@Unihedro Any words which can be blacklisted?

Unihedro

Eh, "zawaue"?

ProgramFOX

Hmm... perhaps. Not sure if that's an actual spam keyword; if there comes more spam with "zawaue" as user, I'll add it.

Unihedro

16:02

kk

user259867

@ProgramFOX Since you're in the mood to edit keywords, consider changing "Babyliss ?Pro" to simply "babyliss". So that babylisscurl will be caught too; it's a common spammer username.

user259867

There's no legitimate mention of babyliss on SE

ProgramFOX

@Woodface Ok. Then I'll also move it outside the word boundaries.

Jason C

\o

user259867

\b

user259867

16:04

Word boundary, that is

user259867

I keep forgetting Smokey regexes get those things around them automatically.

Unihedro

\W\K(?=\w) \w\K(?=\W)

ProgramFOX

@Woodface I once removed them because "why are they actually necessary?". That day, lots of FPs.

terdon

@ProgramFOX if you're working on smokey, it'd be great if you could change the baba keyword to baba ji. There's an AU user who has baba in their name but is not a spammer and shouldn't be matched.

Unihedro

Make the space optional.

ProgramFOX

16:11

@terdon There are still many posts without "ji". Can you link to this user? I'll whitelist him.

terdon

in Ask Ubuntu General Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 53 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in username: How to get Source code for Ubuntu? by baba ramdev on askubuntu.com

ProgramFOX

!!/addwlu askubuntu.com/users/388881/baba-ramdev

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX User whitelisted (388881 on askubuntu.com).

ProgramFOX

done

terdon

Though given the quality of his questions...

@ProgramFOX Thanks

Undo

16:13

@ProgramFOX I've tried doing it through fpu, and it hasn't been working

ProgramFOX

@Undo huh, weird

!!/rev?

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX 45fd52f (ProgramFOX: Move babyliss outside word boundaries)

Lynn Crumbling

ot-req stackoverflow.com/q/29149840/656243

Braiam

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/20392134/792066

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Using Geocoder to narrow email recipients in Rails by SunnyLy on stackoverflow.com

Braiam

16:24

@ProgramFOX does whitelisting prevent any other filter to be used, or just that one?

ProgramFOX

@Braiam Whitelisting a user means that none of his posts will ever be reported.

Jan Dvorak

:-(

Braiam

sad trombone

Jan Dvorak

We only want to cancel the user blacklist

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak That is !!/rmblu

Jan Dvorak

16:27

Err... we want to cancel the user keyword blacklist for a particular user

ProgramFOX

oh, I see

Would that be useful?

Jan Dvorak

sure, why not?

user259867

I think this makes sense in general: if a user is whitelisted, the username filter is suppressed.

Braiam

15 mins ago, by terdon

Though given the quality of his questions...

user259867

Not other things like all caps etc

ProgramFOX

16:28

I see.

Jon Ericson

16:44

@Mooseman Not sure if you got an answer, but way more questions are answered than closed. It's not at all close. (And roughly twice as many questions are eventually deleted (possibly closed first) then closed. But that's not in the public data.)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ORACLE TIMESTAMP FORMAT MASK by MeetJoeBlack on stackoverflow.com

user259867

feature-request delete is:q score:..-1 isanswered:no views:0..1000 created:..2014. Negative Q score, no A with positive score, under 1000 views, not posted this year.

Bart

s/then/than @JonEricson?

Jon Ericson

@Bart English is the worst.

Bart

Heh

user259867

16:50

If such things were deleted routinely, there'd be less pressure to close all the things.

Jon Ericson

@Woodface Maybe more than 1y old instead?

Braiam

@JonEricson is that from the beginning of times or just last X units of time?

@JonEricson cool, didn't know 1y existed

Jon Ericson

@Braiam The X-axis is weeks. The Y-axis is questions asked in that week and their current state.

@Braiam Yeah. I seem to have forgotten to document it. :-(

Samo added it a couple of weeks ago and I had something written. Now where did that go?

Ugh. Stack Overflow has that customized. Here's the search help on Math.

Lynn Crumbling

ot-req stackoverflow.com/q/29150517/656243

terdon

@Woodface most of those have answers. There may be useful info there.

ProgramFOX

16:59

@Woodface Done. cc @JanDvorak

Braiam

@terdon but if people doesn't care about it, is better just to get them out of the way

SE deletes automatically anything that they believe people doesn't care about

no votes is one of the metrics

terdon

@Braiam I found one I care about in that list. Useful answer.

Braiam

@terdon upvote it!

Jon Ericson

@Woodface Under 1000 views kills way too much of the long tail.

Blog - Stack Exchange: The Wikipedia of Long Tail Programming Questions

Joel Spolsky on January 05, 2011

Have you ever noticed how certain questions come up again and again on Stack Overflow sites?

Oh look, my PC is freezing. Should I use SELECT *? Oh, and, how can I host a server from home?

Really, people, do you want to be answering these same questions ten years from now? How about when you’re 65? That doesn’t sound so appealing now, does it?

We predicted this problem, even before we launched Stack Overflow. Why? Because the same thing happened on Usenet, where:

Most users could only see a few days or, at best, one month of archives for any given newsgroup. It was literally impossible …

terdon

@Braiam I did. I wouldn't have been able to if that had been deleted automatically.

Braiam

17:03

this is one example where I don't care if it gets deleted: stackoverflow.com/q/985410/792066

this needs to be separated in multiple questions stackoverflow.com/q/27727176/792066 but it is off topic for SO

user259867

@JonEricson Long tail of unclear questions with half-guessing answers without much insight.

Jon Ericson

@Woodface Have you looked at all the questions your search turns up?

Braiam

what the... stackoverflow.com/q/27726362/792066 such answer, very wow, many sucks

> Q: I am taking a course and so far I have learn html and css and. A little bit of JavaScript
> A: use PHP

@JonEricson is just too depressing:(

Jon Ericson

One of the nice things about rarely viewed questions is that most people don't see them.

2

Braiam

yeah...

Meta Wonder

17:15

Hi all..

I have a confusion.. In this question http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/42973/career-switch-to-programming
The close reason is _Questions asking for advice on what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. "what job should I take?", or "what skills should I learn?"). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do_ ... My question..I am not asking for an advice here
Do companies look for age and kind of job that you are applying ? or Am I ?

Braiam

hello, consider editing the question to make it better fit site topics laid out in help center. In particular, this guidance may help to learn what is expected of questions here. Good luck! — gnat 7 hours ago

you did?

Meta Wonder

Yes ..

Braiam

and addressed the issues pointed by later iterations?

sometimes is better to just ask 1 obvious question

Meta Wonder

Oh ok...

Yeah the second one was asking for some situation which is primarily opinion and can have multiple answer

Jon Ericson

@MetaWonder It kinda depends on where you live. Legally in the US employers can't reject you because of your age unless you are too young to work. So part of the problem with your question is that it's too broad.

Meta Wonder

17:21

Does a closed question bump if it is edited by OP ?

Braiam

yes

Meta Wonder

@JonEricson Yeah got it now.. Feeling clear now..

Ok... What about this ?
http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/42979/experience-certificate-from-my-company

Sorry last question..

Alright please be free,looks like I am frustrating you by asking questions..

Bionic Meta user

17:38

♦ CoGro Musings

A text file for community managers to publicly muse in public....

Are only mods allowed in that chat room ?

Jon Ericson

@BionicMetauser Just community managers. We are trying something out. Kinda like a private Twitter thingy. Feel free to read if it interests you.

We are trying to be a little more transparent about how the sausage is made.

Bionic Meta user

@JonEricson Oh ok.. I did not know that.. Looks like i have been banned

Jon Ericson

@BionicMetauser Well we are of to a stellar start then. ;-/

Bionic Meta user

@JonEricson The reason I gave a request second time was hoping for a second chance

Not in an intention to disturb people there

Jon Ericson

@BionicMetauser I think you can still read the room, right?

Bionic Meta user

17:50

@JonEricson Yes.....

in CoGro Musings, 9 mins ago, by jmac

room topic changed to CoGro Musings: A text file for community managers to publicly muse in public. Read-only for the rest of y'all. (no tags)

This was posted recently...

Shog9

We're all very patient people. We rarely hand out permanent, network-wide suspensions before the third ping.

Bionic Meta user

After I was banned

@Shog9 That's a very decent approach

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: Need to leave for double entry china visa? by hellenbless on travel.stackexchange.com

Bionic Meta user

Every one just disappeared from chat..Looks like I am the only person active here

Andy

in CoGro Musings, 1 hour ago, by Tim Post

Gamification can bring out the worst in some people. Whether it's a new and learned compulsion to climb to the top, or what a system built around it lets you do when you feel like someone did something wrong to you. Both behaviors require intervention, which is currently done by human moderators. Would teaching machines how to better intercede get the message across better, without as much embarrassment and free up our moderators to do more interesting things? Probably worth exploring.

SmokeDetector

17:58

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: gnuradio-companion segmentation fault in 14.04.2 by Bob Mounger on askubuntu.com

Andy

I'd be really interested in the machine learning portion of this

shakes fist at Smokey You interrupted me

Frank

@BionicMetauser gets here

Jason C

^ Check out this unholy abomination of bacon, buttermilk, and corn flakes

Andy

@JasonC YOU'VE RUINED BACON!

Jason C

MWAHAHAHAHAHAAA

I also just shaved like 2 months off my life span

Andy

18:05

Eh. It was at the end anyway.

At that point it's really just the credits

Frank

@JasonC only three?

weird

Jason C

Yeah I'll probably just save my future kids some money on an old folks home.

I did it for my grandchildrens' education, really.

@Frank Yeah it was an experiment.

Frank

@JasonC did it taste good?

Jason C

(Successful, mind you)

Frank

eh, then why didn't you makke more?

Jason C

18:07

Yeah but I am going to add a little salt on the next round.

I will make more.

I need to get more corn flakes though.

Mooseman

@JasonC I have corn flakes! Will trade corn flakes for bacon.

Jason C

I'll just give you bacon. I ~~fully~~ partially (see below) support donating bacon to the needy.

You have to come get it though, I hate shipping things.

Mooseman

@JasonC Okay then. Whereabouts?

Jason C

I'm in Brooklyn NY. You'll have to give me a ride to the store, too. Also, I might need to bum a few dollars for the bacon.

Mooseman

Unfortunately, gas costs a lot more than bacon.

Undo

18:17

@Mooseman Pound for pound I'm not sure

Jason C

@Mooseman Not if you have that car ^

Well I guess it depends on the going rate of rainbows.

Mooseman

As long as it's not rainbow bacon. That's spoiled :p

Jason C

Bacon rainbows, on the other hand...

I wonder what would be in the pot at the end of a bacon rainbow. Mac & cheese maybe.

Only one way to find out... bbl!

Feeds

We are currently mitigating a DDOS hitting our network. We will let you know when this has been resolved.

Tweeted by StackStatus on March 19, 2015 at 6:21 PM

rene

Sorry... I'll stop for a moment, Ok?

hichris123

18:26

Bad @rene

rene

The Dutch Hacker team strikes again...

Mooseman

@Feeds Probably because of my gif. :/

rene

Bad gif

Undo

@Feeds Somehow it was still able to send me a newsletter :P

delv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/q/251510/215468

Pham

Spam A (TPA'd by Mooseman): ***[email protected]*Sua resposta Obrigado por contribuir com o..., by □ user22914, on pt.stackoverflow.com.

Frank

18:39

wat

Undo

@Pham already gone

Mooseman

@Undo It was still there 6m ago :p

Undo

oh. I'm an idiot

Mooseman

@Undo Don't worry. I'm more stupeder.

Frank

@Undo @Doorknob is an idiot. :P

Undo

18:43

oh, right. So I guess I'm apprentice idiot.

Mooseman

yesterday, by Doorknob

@bjb568 ... I'm an idiot

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Is this DH-based key exchange scheme sound? by no.human.being on crypto.stackexchange.com

Mooseman

@Undo ^^ Smokey is self-duping

Frank

@Mooseman ik, that's why I commented...

Mooseman

@Frank Just filling in the quote... :p

Frank

18:50

@Mooseman it's pinned on the star wall

:P

Mooseman

@Frank But it won't be when people read this transcript in the distant future. WE MUST NOT ALLOW LINK ROT!!!!!!

Undo

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Undo You doubt me?

@Undo ... did I miss something?

Undo

errrr..

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo plz send teh coffee

Undo

18:53

fixed

Feeds

The DDOS attack on our network has been resolved. Let us know if you see any further issues.

Tweeted by StackStatus on March 19, 2015 at 6:47 PM

Frank

@Mooseman haha

nice and terse

♦ CoGro Musings

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