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hichris123

00:00

That's him alright.

Frank

@Unihedro \o

Sue

@Frank That is sooo cool!

tchrist

@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ This has happened before.

Braiam

yeah, pandas are cool

:P

Frank

@Sue what?

Sue

00:02

@Unihedro Works for me...

@Frank The Panda picture:) I saw it through that link you posted.

Frank

oh, lol

[area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/85124/pizza](noooooooo)

link borkey

Sue

@Frank I can't believe that got as far as it did, but I admire the enthusiasm!

Frank

@Sue haha, that was kinda fun

Sue

@Frank Yup!

I have to go for a while cuz I have blepheritis and can't see clearly!

Frank

@Sue Oh no, that's too bad

destroys 3 more LH accounts

Sue

00:11

@Frank That's okay-it's just frustrating. Drops help, but I have to cut back on my reading. Kinda stinks though cuz this place makes me laugh. Of course if I laughed hard enough to cry I'd make more tears which would help the blepheritis!

@Frank You mean LH users?

Frank

@Sue Oh, haha

@Sue yup

Sue

@Frank Things going well over there?

Frank

@Sue Very well indeed.

Suprisingly well.

No one is mad at me.

I've been told that's not normal.

:P

Sue

@Frank Cool! I'm proud of you!

Frank

iz proud of self

no, just turned out to be a lot easier of a job than I'd thought. Maybe that'll change.

Sue

00:16

@Frank As well you should be. That's a big project. Then again everyone in here is doing big-time important stuff. The rest of us thank you!

Frank

@Sue important stuff... not most of the time

ust hangin' out.

What the world is this:

lol

someone got goofy

Sue

@Unihedro Hey, I just read your network profile-very cool.

@Frank Gonna ask this, then delete...

Frank

@Sue haha, I didnt read it in time

was on another page :P

Sue

@Frank Ha, ha.

Frank

you could ping me in a chat.se room...

because now I can see all deleted messages in any public chat.se room

butnot chat.so or chat.mse

Sue

00:23

It's not important enough-just a silly question I didn't want to leave hanging around.

Frank

roomba roomba

@Sue I don't mind at all. srsly.

Sue

So what's a chat.se room-like the Shed?

bjb568

Frank

@Sue Any room that does not belong to meta.se, or SO. Any other room will work. The Shed is fine...

you can see it in the url.

Sue

Oh, I get it. So can you see all deleted messages, or just ones to you?

Braiam

00:27

I wonder how someone can say something "coldly"

Frank

http://chat.stackexchange.com/ vs. http://chat.stackoverflow.com/ or http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com

@Sue I'm a chat mod in stackexchange chat, so any room in that network

I'm also the owner of the LH and GL main chat rooms.

Sue

@Frank Cool! I said that warmly, so it wouldn't sound like I said something coldly!

Frank

@Sue Like this?

cool. >:-[

Sue

@Frank @Braiam Is that cold enough for you?

Frank

^

Now I covet @Uni's 'imitation crab' hat...

I want hatz already

Braiam

00:32

@Sue mm... in the context is not appropiated

Alexis King

We need a Bash for every season!

Frank

@AlexisKing technically, it's still winter.

Sue

@Braiam Okay. It's uncorrect. ,

Alexis King

@Frank But it's almost Spring!

Frank

I'm supposed to have snow again on Friday.. :[

Sue

00:34

@Frank Me too :(

@AlexisKing Maybe a spring bash would be encouraging!

Frank

@Sue grump grump complain...

@Sue but... I don't want to wear flowers...

Sue

@Frank Why-you're not a hippy?

James

Morning

Sue

And with that, she leaves..........

@James Morning James! Bye!

Frank

@Sue \o

tchrist

00:41

@Frank Spring != !Snow

Frank

@tchrist ikr

James

I thought that was some game of thrones reference in an equation form

'You know nothing Jon Snow'

tchrist

@Frank = Ich kann richtig schreiben.

You can write rites right or right rites wronged, but you can’t write right rite, righteo?

Frank

@tchrist ha

and hiya @tchrist

Alexis King

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

00:46

@AlexisKing Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Frank

@SmokeDetector gone already

o/

that was fast

at -7 though

Sue

Just popped back to say the offensive user I referred to before is gone. Thanks! Now i have to hide my computer!

From myself so I'll quit looking at it!

Frank

@Sue ha!

AstroCB

220

Q: Add optional box for spam flags letting you say why you think it's spam

This came up recently, where a user had taken the time to look at the link on a post and realized that the post wasn't just off-topic, it was actually half-decently-disguised spam. So he flagged it as spam, and an overworked mod declined it, giving the questioner the benefit of the doubt. And we ...

Frank

@AstroCB downvotes

James

01:01

that's got to be some kind of record

surely

user259867

> Avoid trivial edits unless absolutely necessary.

user259867

I still don't know what this is supposed to mean.

user259867

If an edit is absolutely necessary, how can it be trivial?

5

Frank

@bjb568 don't mess that up ^^

tchrist

I can’t even read SO any longer.

Literally.

It has become illegible.

James

01:06

How to create Yes/No?

Frank

@tchrist Maybe I'm better at deciphering broken english than you then...

bjb568

@Frank what?

tchrist

@Frank Then why don’t you fix it? :(

Frank

@tchrist I don't edit on SO

tchrist

@Frank Why not?

Frank

01:08

@tchrist It would increase my rep.

tchrist

@Frank NARA

Frank

@tchrist ?

tchrist

Not
A
Real
Answer

Remember: the world is write-once, read-many.

Frank

@tchrist I have a record for having the most gold badges on SO for no rep

tchrist

Anon.

Ever and anon you could edit.

Frank

01:11

only 2, but still.

user259867

SO is more like write-once, delete-once.

tchrist

People answer crap questions without editing them.

Down that road lies no Illuminator badge.

Frank

@tchrist Try for it on a slow beta (like gardening)

Anonymous

101 2 2 5

^^ and I have 2 gold.

James

thats quite impressive frank

Frank

We're the only 101 rep users with 2 gold

he wants to be deleted

and one of mine is Marshal, which is harder than electorate or fanatic (I should try for fanatic)

lel, just realized that I got my Marshal and Electorate badges before my informed badge...

user259867

01:16

With a bit of luck and reddit familiarity, one can get a bunch of Publicist badges.

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29107939/…

Frank

@Woodface I haz no Reddit karma

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29079086/…

James

done on both

AstroCB

In today's episode of "code that ends up being more complicated than you expected when you started writing it"...

0

A: Add "go to... Review" as a keyboard shortcut

As a regular reviewer, I agree that this would be a very useful shortcut to have, and I think it should be added to the standard shortcut functionality on Stack Exchange sites. In the meantime, I've written a userscript (direct link) that adds this shortcut to all sites where you have the abilit...

user259867

01:22

mathoverflow.net should also be included, I guess.

user259867

Also, $(".topbar-menu-links")[0].children[0].click(); opens the Help menu on the sites where I can't review.

Braiam

@AstroCB why you need to click?

isn't it better just to check if review exist and add the item to the default menu?

obfuscated code is obfuscated

user259867

@Braiam non-obfuscated version

user259867

Even with comments!

user259867

> *.meta.stackexchange.com does not exist at this time [...] but the script is future-proof by already handling it.

Braiam

01:34

someone should make a userscript that activates the shortcuts anywhere, in SE

user259867

> // multiple #tabs divs may be in the page :(

user259867

Come on!

Ilmari Karonen

@Braiam They kind of already did.

85

Q: Official keyboard shortcuts

This script is no longer necessary; please visit Announcement: Keyboard shortcuts are now integrated into the site for an updated status on this. Screenshot About This is the official keyboard shortcuts script for the Stack Exchange sites, as announced on Meta Stack Overflow. It is...

script keyboard-shortcuts

user259867

@IlmariKaronen Yes, but Braiam refers to the need for per-site activation

Ilmari Karonen

You can still install the user script, it should effectively activate the feature on all sites.

Not sure if the script is still maintained, though... it might lack some features of the built-in version.

AstroCB

01:46

@Woodface Good point; I forgot about that bug.

@Woodface Added.

@Woodface Ooh.

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

James

debugging financial calculations suck

Ilmari Karonen

delv-plz engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/2133/…

James

02:14

I too enjoy throwing potatoes at trains to make them slow down.

Braiam

02:26

> productivity is over-rated. Especially if you happen to be building bombs.

Andrew T.

spam http://android.stackexchange.com/a/99013/44325 (no link)
spam http://android.stackexchange.com/a/98837/44325 (link added after a month)

James

Someone named their library JHipster, and expected it to be taken seriously?

thats cute

AstroCB

@Braiam I have no idea how to interact with their scripts from a userscript.

I've been trying to figure it out for an hour; it seems like they add a keyboardShortcuts function to the StackExchange object that can be modified, but when I access it, there's nothing in the function.

user259867

Dec 24 '14 at 23:59, by Shogging through the snow

Anyway, the gist of it is... You just write the logic you want to interact with the page's scripts in a single function, and then your userscript / extension / whatever just inserts that function into the page itself.

user259867

example

user259867

02:33

I use this to call the methods of MathJax object from my extensions; presumably the same would work for StackExchange object.

Shog9

yup

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Should a server be considered compromised simply because a port was open? by A_NOOB on security.stackexchange.com

AstroCB

@Woodface That's what I do in all of my scripts, but there's nothing in the keyboardShortcuts method.

Shog9

it's not a method

AstroCB

*function

Shog9

02:36

or a function

AstroCB

Oh... ( function()...

Reading minified code at night is not a good idea.

Alexis King

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@AlexisKing Registered answer as false positive.

Braiam

@AstroCB are you still reading the minified one?

1 hour ago, by Woodface

@Braiam non-obfuscated version

AstroCB

@Braiam I looked at the unminified version to figure out what it was doing first, but then I went to the minified one to figure out how to interact with it.

Braiam

02:40

O_O

AstroCB

@Braiam Exactly.

This definitely should not be the most convoluted userscript I've written.

Braiam

now an userscripts that adds StackExchange.keyboardShortcuts.init() to every SE page...

bjb568

@James lol

user259867

@Braiam Cannot read property 'init' of undefined

user259867

Unless it's already enabled there.

James

02:43

@bjb568 what?

oh

right yeah

bjb568

@Braiam *a userscript

not plural, and doesn't start with vowel sound

user259867

An oozerscript

bjb568

should be yuzerskrept

Braiam

@Woodface huh

AstroCB

@Braiam StackExchange.keyboardShortcuts doesn't exist if it hasn't been enabled.

Braiam

02:47

what the...

Shog9

@AstroCB oh, are you looking to patch new keyboard shortcuts in?

AstroCB

@Shog9 Yes

Shog9

cool. Share if you get something figured out; I could use it...

user259867

@Braiam The beginning of keyboard-shortcuts.en.js is creation of StackExchange.keyboardShortcuts object. If this JS does not get loaded...

user259867

So, the solution (to enable shortcuts everywhere) would be to insert <script> tag loading this file, right?

AstroCB

02:50

@Shog9 This sketchily replicates the actual shortcut functionality with the extra keys, but it doesn't add it to the menu or anything.

Braiam

@Woodface or just hihacking the logic that activates it in the SE object

user259867

@Braiam That would be StackExchange.init which is called on page load (embedded in HTML page source). But this looks kind of complicated, and you won't know the version number (cache breaker, I suppose) to go with it.

user259867

Anyway, it's almost 3:00 UTC and I haven't used all the downvotes, argh.

Hobo Sapiens

cv-pls Homework dump stackoverflow.com/q/29136427/1864610

Braiam

@Woodface if options.user.keyboardShortcuts is true then StackExchange.using function gets called and the js loaded, etc.

.... probably

user259867

02:56

@HoboSapiens That's a decent quality post, not a blurry cellphone pic with point values of each part of assignment.

user259867

/sarcasm

Hobo Sapiens

@Woodface Oh my - I hadn't realised. I'll remove my vote immediately...

@Woodface ...after the sun goes down for the last time. Ever.

/sarcasm

@Woodface Oops - too late. Self deleted.

user259867

No chance to get Help & Improvement.

Braiam

Sarcasm Overflow~

Shog9

@AstroCB yeah, that's boring.

Menus and combos are where it's at

Currently I'm just using a hacked-up version of the userscript, but if you figure out a clever way of injecting new shortcuts into the on-site script that'd be somewhat more elegant.

James

03:08

I hate reviewing one line answers

Braiam

@James Skip is your friend~

James

yeah, that's what I'm doing

Braiam

that much love for Skip from you, huh

James

https://stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7389666

What would you guys do?

because on one hand it's programming related. I feel like it should be downvoted for being poorly researched

bjb568

looks crappy

James

03:17

Yeah, but I wasn't sure if it should be flagged or just downvoted

bjb568

whatever

just spray modding everywhere

@AstroCB Y U JQUERY

AstroCB

@bjb568 Easier to attach event listeners, and SE already has it baked in.

Believe me, I prefer standard JS.

bjb568

addEventListener('tehkeyz', afunc)

not hard

AstroCB

@bjb568 On multiple objects.

bjb568

whujamean?

catches all jsfiddle.net/uaqa4mr1

AstroCB

03:20

$("textarea").click(function(){ ... });
vs.
var textareas = document.getElementsByTagName("textarea");
for(var i = 0; i < textareas.length; i++){ textareas[i].addEventListener("keyup", function(){ ... }); }

bjb568

You can just look at document.activeElement from there.

eg jsfiddle.net/uaqa4mr1/1

AstroCB

@bjb568 Not bad; still messy, though.

There's no reason not to use it if SE already has it included.

bjb568

Except that it's horrible.

    window.setInterval(function () { // Some text fields are created dynamically
        $("input").focus(stopListeningForKeys).keypress(stopListeningForKeys);
        $("input").blur(attachListener);

        $("textarea").focus(stopListeningForKeys).keypress(stopListeningForKeys);
        $("textarea").blur(attachListener);
    }, 1000);

ew

Doorknob

@bjb568 $.on

bjb568

@Doorknob event propagation

DO JSes, PEOPLEZ

@JanDvorak such insight

and much tired, I'm going to bed

Braiam

03:34

wonders if Shog is still around

user259867

Looks like a job for custom mod flag, not a cm.

user259867

Also, why is this very off-topic?

user259867

Remove the tutorial part. "How to add Google+ API signin to Django website?"

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: The moment generating function of two poisson distributed random variables by izzati roslu on math.stackexchange.com

Braiam

@Woodface check answers

if I edit that part out I invalidate the answer

then the other is a comment to the accepted one

Andrew T.

03:45

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@AndrewT. Blacklisted user.

user259867

Should we delete the question for the sake of not invalidating its answers?

user259867

I'd ignore the low-quality answers other than accepted, and trim the question to something of the above form.

user259867

But not going to get involved; too much friction there.

Andrew T.

just need to be closed. removing "tutorial" is still too-broad.

SmokeDetector

03:47

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Iphone 4 gsm Jailbreak Problems! by Røñèń Ãšhúrõv on apple.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector wat

user259867

VLQ

Doorknob

!!/wut?

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Whaddya mean, 'wut'? Humans...

3

Andrew T.

@SmokeDetector the username, oh.. the horror...

user259867

03:48

!!/sentient?

user259867

Not yet.

user259867

Or maybe it is, and is too smart to admit it.

Doorknob

import skynet

AstroCB

@bjb568 Oh...that part was embarrassingly bad.

I had no idea what to do there.

Jason C

@Doorknob I see you've become fluent in my language while I was away. Excellent.

And now that I've successfully replied to a message, back to the mobile site.

Oh wait. Spoke too soon. Need to edit.

user259867

04:02

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/152103/…

user259867

8 minutes old. Boo @SmokeDetector

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in body: Extrair conteudo de um texto com javascript by Alex Godoy Wolff on pt.stackoverflow.com

user259867

request blacklist babylisscurl as username

SmokeDetector

04:14

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Natural Weight Loss permanently Health? by ketonaravi on drupal.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector tpu, finally some Drupal spam!

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

bjb568

04:28

@AstroCB Learn real JS?

BTW, you better be keeping a log of good JS knowledge n stuff for DevDoodle lessons.

Night!

Shog9

@Braiam please see declined flag message

Alexis King

04:44

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@AlexisKing Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Jan Dvorak

@Shog9 now it seems too broad to me

AstroCB

@bjb568- Always bringing the insightful logic to Tavern discussions.

Shog9

@JanDvorak why?

Jan Dvorak

... or maybe unclear. Does he want us to write him a web form, or he's just unsure how to connect to some external resource?

The former is too broad

Shog9

04:54

@JanDvorak huh? Google+ sign in is a thing.

Akin to asking, "How do I set up Facebook logins for my Django app?"

or "How do I let users sign in using OpenID?"

Jan Dvorak

Does that need to be clarified in the question? I read it as "make me a login form".

Shog9

No. That's the whole point of Google+ login, you don't make a form you use Google's

Jan Dvorak

Point taken, thanks. I guess I should never handle chat CV requests for technologies I don't have experience with?

Doorknob

In a perfect world, you'd still be able to tell whether the questions are ok or should be closed anyway

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: A photography based chrome extension for photography lovers! by Priya on photo.stackexchange.com

user259867

05:03

^ SPAM

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Doorknob

Doesn't look like intentional spam - just a confused user

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: This was locked now by zee meee on meta.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

define "intentional spam". Also, not sure if it would be on-topic even as a Q/A pair.

Doorknob

05:04

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

user259867

@Doorknob But you blacklisted the poor confused user...

Doorknob

@JanDvorak Intentional spam == bot, script, or person who clearly knows that what they're doing is wrong. OP just seems to think that SE is a forum and these types of "threads" are ok

Jan Dvorak

How should we handle accidental spam?

user259867

Same way, imo. Spam is spam. Anyway, the post is gone.

Doorknob

05:06

@Woodface If he posts something again, it's bound to benefit from a few extra pairs of eyes anyway

@JanDvorak No idea, just pointing that out.

(I just flagged as spam as usual)

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob Ah, fine then. I thought you were suggesting I not flag that as spam.

... which would require an alternative way of handling

user259867

I suppose converting Photography to LESS will be a bit more challenging than any other SE site.

Jan Dvorak

I'll sue ya, JSP

is that^ too broad in addition to off-topic?

James

Oh god yes

user259867

Given that you can't VTC twice, I think off-topic is enough.

James

05:16

The greatest sin is that they are attempting to run native Java inside a JSP.......

For attempting to run Java like PHP the OP will be cast into the fiery pit of eternal damnation,

tchrist

Is this spam, or just weird?

0

Q: How to translate our site

We sell engagement rings in our company website http://www.diamondf.co.il/טבעות-אירוסין-זהב-לבן We want to start working in the US market as well. Do you think translating the same site to English will enough or should we build a new one?

transatlantic-differences

Smells Rolexy, but it's too late for me to think so I will avoid acting.

Alexis King

This is pretty odd.

James

That's very borderline, but I suppose it's a legit question

Jan Dvorak

POB, maybe?

tchrist

Well, that’s certainly true.

user259867

05:24

Off-topic; this is a commercial decision, not a question of English usage.

tchrist

It isn’t a cloaked thing.

Jan Dvorak

Also, the tag means something else...

tchrist

There is that.

Alexis King

It's a very bad question, either way.

tchrist

Is tag mismatch a spammer strategy?

Alexis King

05:25

I'd VTC but I have nowhere near enough rep.

Jan Dvorak

MSE programming question askers mismatch tags as well

Alexis King

I monitor the scheme tag on SO. So many tag mismatches.

No, your question about URL schemes on Android doesn't need that tag.

tchrist

heh

That’s the schemata tag, clearly.

Jan Dvorak

sounds like a biological phylum

tchrist

Isn’t phylum an add_directory operation?

Jan Dvorak

05:28

What's add_directory?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, Blacklisted website: Outflow vessel on the other end and people by evacollins on drupal.stackexchange.com

tchrist

@JanDvorak When you gotcherself a possel of files and need to phylum somewheres.

Jan Dvorak

I still don't get why would people willingly pump large amounts of liquid into their anuses and think it's good for their health.

tchrist

Rectum? Damn near killed ’em.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: The Most Wonder Full Results Slim & Smart In 2 Weeks Challenge by Fiona tink on meta.stackexchange.com

tchrist

05:32

At the risk of speaking of the devil and summoning him thereby, I haven’t seen the East Indian baba spam for a while now, the stuff with the phone numbers.

Jan Dvorak

Hint, hint: "enema" and "edema"are way too close for comfort. Not to mention you are literally reversing the flow of contents in your only sewage pipe.

tchrist

I'm eating.

Alexis King

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@AlexisKing Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

tchrist

Oh great, the masculine version of coquette has hit the multicollider. I expect it to be full of dross ere morn.

Alexis King

05:34

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@AlexisKing Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

tchrist

I’m shooting for 75-80 votes today.

Rumbo al mar.

Andrew T.

uhh... simple English please :(

And I just realized the revamped MSE profile on new user...

> Apparently, this user prefers to keep an air of mystery about them.

> Keeping a low profile.

> We respect a laser-like focus on one topic.

Jan Dvorak

linky?

Andrew T.

edit to avoid onebox! meta.stackexchange.com/users/286908/zee-meee

user259867

05:45

List of newest users

Jan Dvorak

@AndrewT. nice

user259867

Why do they go out of their way to be condescending?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: Skype with wine crashes by Ren on askubuntu.com

Alexis King

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@AlexisKing Blacklisted user.

Jan Dvorak

05:47

@Woodface They go out of their way to be funny

I'd like some beer with wife shouts, please

Oh, wait, misparsed. That title is legitimate, just mildly confusing.

I'd like some beer nevertheless.

tchrist

@AndrewT. Er?

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