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hichris123

00:15

Offensive: stackoverflow.com/a/24581838/2581872

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/23717595/2581872

ManishBot

00:36

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CAN I DOWNLOAD UBUNTU OS WITH WINDOWS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM? on askubuntu.com

Final Contest

02:35

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/9226513/…

hichris123

SPAM: meta.stackexchange.com/q/235104/237685

a) "Possible Duplicate of" link is 10 months older than this question. b) Question is not a true question, instead a Tutorial on common linking / compilation problems. c) Link does NOT answer this question as this problem is specifically an Android NDK issue not a generic C++ linking problem. — Graeme 12 hours ago

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Yes, OPs sometimes argue in ignorance.

how this is any Android specific or why it is any relevant how old the canonical is is way beyond my league.

hichris123

@FinalContest Have you read the answer?

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ah, now you want to teach me about C++

I think this is the kind of shame YCS was talking about, but ok, let us assume you are an expert

what do you think the error is?

Can you explain it in your own words?

@Graeme: how this is any Android specific or why it is any relevant how old the canonical is is way beyond my league. The fact is that you lack the basics about C/C++, especially linking. That really is explained in the canonical answer. If you have C++ and Android issues, ask them in separate questions, and in that case it is even too broad. — Final Contest 1 min ago

user163250

cv-pls recommendation stackoverflow.com/questions/4452463/…

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02:52

@Cupcake: well, it also has nothing to do with programming (code).

Braiam

bad @rene, you could have told us about that Q that cupcake just linked when you VtC this one stackoverflow.com/q/24549375/792066

GnomeSlice

omg Winyl got updated and somebody made an amazing new skin for it

hichris123

03:10

@Final I'm not a C++ expert, but I am an Android expert. I don't think you realize that the Android NDK is a special set of libraries for Android development with C++.

Braiam

03:23

> 17 May 2014

looks old to me

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@hichris123: LOL

@hichris123: again, can you summarize the issue in your own words? Why do I have to wait so much for such basic stuff?

Also, I am not sure about the android expert thing. You seem to have had lots of android questions lately, some of them are very basic.

user163250

This question appears to be off-topic because it does not show own effort. — Final Contest 27 mins ago

user163250

We can't close questions with that reason. At least, not anymore.

user163250

Downvote for no effort, but you can't close for it.

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@Cupcake: huh?!

have you even read the question? It is not number 1 crap, but number 100 lately.

user163250

03:36

You could close it as either unclear or too broad.

user163250

But "no effort" isn't a valid reason anymore.

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You do realize I use the feature provided by the site?

it is

175

A: What is Stack Overflow’s goal?

It is probably getting difficult to imagine what a programmer's life was like BSO (Before Stack Overflow, prior to 2008). Back when Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood were still programming for a living. And ran into the same problem that everybody was experiencing back then, finding help to get you ...

535

Q: Can we please have the "Lacks Minimal Understanding" close reason back?

That close reason Yes, I believe it was condescending and somewhat rude. However there is a mass of questions that fall under a crystal clear criteria: They're poorly written. They have formatting issues. They don't show any research attempts. They don't show any attempt at solving the problem...

anyway, I am surprised you start arguing before downvoting and closing that question.

Undo

@FinalContest you have no right to judge people by their (perceived-by-you) understanding of anything.

user163250

I'm not interested in having an argument. I've already stated my point. That was all I wanted to do, to just bring it up once.

Final Contest

my point still holds true. I am surprised it is more important for you than getting that clearly crappy post closed and then removed.

it is way worse than any of you have posted and asked for help with before.

user163250

03:42

We can get things removed without having to leave comments like that.

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sigh

user163250

I can already see where this is going.

user163250

Like I said, I'm not interested in having an argument.

user163250

I've already said everything that I wanted to say.

Final Contest

we are back to "leave an opinion that I like or do not explain"

to be honest, I was super nice.

-3

Q: Save search results in jquery

Hi i have a page in which the user can select search type ( for e.g. first name, phone number, last name, address, town etc) and then search. If found any matched records they will be displayed in the same page. From there he can select any row. If the user clicks on a row he will be redirected t...

jquery asp.net-mvc

wtf is this op doing here, producing shitload of crap?!

jmac

03:43

@Final, just sayin', the 'Lacks Minimal Understanding' was removed for a reason. That's why the meta question is asking for it back. You may disagree with that decision, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use it as a custom close reason.

And on a side note, while it's great that you want to improve the site, trying to single-handedly rid SO of crap is not practical. Too many people asking too many poor questions. If you just vote and move on you will improve the signal on a lot more posts than trying to get the questions closed.

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perhaps SO can be renamed to CrapFlow :)

user163250

That just put an unpleasant image into my head :P

user163250

Would anyone consider platform as a service questions to be on-topic for Stack Overflow, instead of Server Fault?

user163250

6

Q: Error uploading SSL certificate to Windows Azure

I have an Azure Web Site running successfully for the last year over SSL. The certificate is expiring, so I purchased a renewal. The steps I followed were: use IIS to create the CSR download the PKCS7 package (which includes intermediate certificates) from GeoTrust complete the certificate requ...

iis azure ssl

user163250

I voted to close that as an Server Fault question at first, but now I'm not so sure.

user163250

03:52

We have a lot of Heroku questions on Stack Overflow.

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HTK HEREST ISSUE on stackoverflow.com

user163250

Oh, here we go, here's the difference that makes it a little clearer:

user163250

> Professional system and network administrators, ask on Server Fault.

user163250

If it's not in the context of a production system, then it's ok for Stack Overflow.

user163250

Like setting up a dev environment.

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03:57

In fact, how the above question is unclear or too broad, I do not get it.

it is crystal clear to me, and it is definitely not broad either. It just does not show the own effort.

Therefore, tagging it with any of those incorrectly would be counter-productive.

user163250

Let me take another look...

user163250

> ## VB.Net MVC 4 Razor Redirect the user to login page if session is expired
>
> Hi am using a session variable to store the loginId after successful login for every user. I would like to redirect the user to Login page if the session is expired(if user comes back after some time and he left the browser in idle). No matter in which page the user currently in, it should be applied to every page in the application. Am not sure about using Session_End event in MVC. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

user163250

Well, first of all, there's no code.

user163250

So that makes the question unclear, to a degree.

Final Contest

which is exactly what my reason says.

no

unclear means you do not understand the question; it does not mean you do not understand the attempt tried.

It is clear to me what the OP would like to achieve. So if it is clear to me, why would I tag missing effort as unclear?

If it it not too broad to me what the OP would like to achieve, why would I tag missing effort as too broad? I just do not get it.

user163250

04:02

Ok, fair enough, I'll retract my close vote.

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that is not a real consequence.

jmac

@FinalContest "I want to design code to get me to the moon." You know what I want, but you'd better bet that's an unclear question. Unclear does not mean you don't understand what they want to do, it means you aren't given enough information to clearly identify the problem being solved and be able to attempt an answer.

Final Contest

if it is unclear to you, or too broad, close it so.

I have never said what you should do.

You have said that what I should and should not do.

jmac

And for reference, "No effort" is not a valid close reason. That is what downvotes are for. The 'no effort' close reason was removed because it was being misused. Read the downvote mouseover -- that is what you should be doing, not making a custom close reason that mimics one that was intentionally removed.

3

(something tells me I'm on ignore)

user163250

@jmac on another note, did you know that your avatar looks like a screaming head from a distance?

user163250

04:09

It reminds me of that one painting...

jmac

@Cupcake Had no idea. It's a NASA shot in a lightbulb.

But if that looks like a Munch painting, I'm all for it.

user163250

jmac

Maybe I'll edit the Munch painting in to a lightbulb just for you Cupcake.

You can dress up in that avatar with a quick name change for Halloween

user163250

No, don't.

user163250

It's already creepy as it is.

jmac

04:11

I can see it now that you mentioned it though, the clouds over India form something resembling a face

And Munch was well ahead of his time, predicting the shape of lightbulbs for the next 100 years in a painting done in the 1800s

user163250

Haha.

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I am not sure if this is a question that an "Android expert" asks: stackoverflow.com/questions/19062252/…

@hichris123 Did you take a look at my answer? If it helps you, please upvote it. — user2507301 Sep 28 '13 at 1:36

lol at another repwhore.

Amal Murali

@user2507301 - It is undignified to campaign for people to upvote your answers. — Stephen C Sep 28 '13 at 1:41

BURN!

hichris123

Umm cv-plz I guess?

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well, I could understand the select an answer parts in general

because that marks a thread closed, so it is useful.

but asking for upvote? Does not look any reasonable to me.

Amal Murali

04:20

@FinalContest Come on, he's new to the site and was probably a little bit excited on his first answer :)

@StephenC Sorry, this is my first time posting an answer and I was pretty excited (I'm 13 for God's sake). Anyway, thanks for the advice. — user2507301 Sep 28 '13 at 1:43

user163250

lol

user163250

Very mature answer for a 13 year old.

user163250

cv-pls non-reproducible stackoverflow.com/questions/8917037/…

hichris123

@Cupcake you can self-delete it.

user163250

Point taken.

user163250

04:32

Can't self delete this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/22575766/…

user163250

Tried to close it as too broad, but that vote expired a long time ago.

user163250

Interesting question on MSO:

user163250

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Q: Questions about viruses and malware

I thought we had clearly settled that: We don't try to stop the spread of knowledge simply because it has malicious uses, or even is essential to the creation of malware. but We also don't allow questions about the creation of malware. Is that still the standard? This question appears to...

discussion off-topic ethics

ManishBot

04:55

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DOES AGE MATTER TO GET A JOB/POSTDOC? on academia.stackexchange.com

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05:21

@AmalMurali: the same rulies apply to everyone.

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: Hypnotism specialist baba ji +91-9929669787 on askubuntu.com

Vote to Close

^ what's the bad keyword there? hypnotism? or the number?

user163250

@ManishBot SPAM

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06:26

Kick Ass developer

1 1

android android-listview listview children facebook image android-adapter

s/he posted the same answer into four different threads...

user202362

06:54

Is the mission of sending humans on to mars real? What happened to the tradition of sending monkeys first?

Final Contest

well, monkeys are more useful on the earth.

user202362

Monkeys and apes in space

Before humans went into space, several animals were launched into space, including numerous non-human primates, so that scientists could investigate the biological effects of space travel. The United States launched flights containing primate cargo primarily between 1948-1961 with one flight in 1969 and one in 1985. France launched two monkey-carrying flights in 1967. The Soviet Union and Russia launched monkeys between 1983 and 1996. Most primates were anesthetized before lift-off. Overall thirty-two monkeys flew in the space program; none flew more than once. Numerous back-up monkeys a...

Michael Petrotta

07:09

spam-vote-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24583411/…

Scott

07:57

@FinalContest Okay for your Upvote reversal stats. The algorithm is pretty poor. It did detect the serial up voting but it didn't remove all of them. It left a question up vote of 5 rep. I would have though once it detected odd activity from one user, it should reverse all that users votes towards me for the same day. Seemingly not. Oh well, I suppose the algorithm has to be somewhat unpredictable. :)

ProgramFOX

@VotetoClose Both the phone number and the word "baba".

Vote to Close

08:13

I have the most votes for the week stackoverflow.com/users?tab=Voters&filter=week

rene

08:31

@VotetoClose keywrd: 'regex': "(?i)\\b(baba(ji)?|nike but also the phonenumber: 'regex': "\\+\\d{10}|\\+?\\d{2}[\\s\\-]?\\d{8,1o}",

rene

09:26

@Braiam Uuuhhh...yes...I'll try to be more careful next time....

Bart

"@rene, tackling all the important issues one at a time. Vote rene!"

rene

I assume you are not interested why I stumbled across that issue?

Bart

Is the answer going to stop you from telling anyway? :p

rene

Yes, it is ;)

Bart

Haha, but do go on. Did you actually check, or somehow stumble upon it?

rene

09:38

Based on this I got the impression that the layout would be different if you are logged in. For me that wasn't true so I checked if maybe an IE11 quirk broke something. So I checked the dev console for errors. The rest is history...

Bart

Hah. I always wonder where people get some of the more detailed errors from.

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24280420/…

rene

@Bart I ran the W3C validator from the firefox developer toolbar to get the non-microsoft point-of-view...

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10:15

@Scott: :) Thanks.

Bart

@Scott or you received a single upvote from someone else. Who knows

rene

SPAM: bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/28306/…

Bart

Sniff .... hmmm, fresh flags

rene

11:07

@Bart High urgency acknowledged ;-)

Bart

And the world is safe once again

rene

It is a sign that all other bugs are now resolved and they have time to fix the cosmetic issues...

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@rene: oops, I pressed -1 first instead of +1, corrected.

although it is worrying that they do not have proper pre-commit QA in place.

rene

I was just going to complain about unexplained downotes...

Final Contest

well, you still might.

rene

11:14

@FinalContest It might be a case where the individual parts of html are valid only when combined brake the validation.

Final Contest

tell that to the SE QA team :)

it is more important an issue than a one case bug.

rene

And those combination are made by the web-redaction team...

Braiam

12:05

@rene nah, is just me being a bastard about it

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PRINTER PROBLEM on askubuntu.com

rene

13:30

Is this SPAM? gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/79800/…

Bart

13:50

Hmm, not enough evidence for me

rene

Yeah, but a fresh account with an empty profile always makes me suspicious

Bart

I don't get why we still allow new accounts. Just close the damn doors already

Braiam

@rene too broad at very least

kp store seems like a legal site

rene

@Braiam Yeah, but is commercial...so I can imagine this being a very clever spam post.

ProgramFOX

The post is removed anyway.

Braiam

14:05

@rene they at very least don't get revenue from clicks

The Wobbuffet

14:47

Hi. Someone commented "this doesn't answer the question." Can someone clarify?

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A: What happens if you answered a question, questioner says thanks, but didn't accept your answer as correct?

Seeing that the populist is applicable to questions with one answer, you should go ahead and thank the user for giving you a golden badge if your has a 10 score, meaning that the quality of the answer was good enough to deserve it. If you're lucky, you might even get your reputation a year or so ...

Bart

How does that answer the question?

And it seems to misinterpret the populist badge.

The Wobbuffet

Well he asks what should I do I answered do nothing

You upvoted h
Is comment :P

Bart

No I didn't.

The Wobbuffet

Lol ok

Bart

The answer is unclear, seems to be wrong, and in my view doesn't answer the question. So I'm not sure what to tell you ... :)

The Wobbuffet

14:53

Anyway, my answer is thank the user and do nothing. Does not that get on?

Bart

Nope

The Wobbuffet

Well what I said about the populist badge is true, no?

Bart

I don't think so. It's only applicable if there is another answer which got accepted.

Jon Clements

@TheWobbuffet no - it needs an accepted answer to exist :)

Bart

So your "is applicable to questions with one answer" doesn't seem correct to me

The Wobbuffet

14:54

? I saw this in a comment somewhere, one sec

Bart

@TheWobbuffet if I authored that comment, it's sure to be wrong.

Its description is

"Highest scoring answer that outscored an accepted answer with score of more than 10 by more than 2x. This badge can be awarded multiple times."

How can you outscore an answer if you have written the only answer?

Well, Jon Skeet could, but that's just him

The Wobbuffet

0

Q: Badges for upvoted answers, but not accepted

We have Tenacious and Unsung Hero badges for zero score accepted answers. Can we have something similar for answers with up-votes, but not accepted, especially when there are no other up-voted answers for the question. I like to wear my badges. UPDATE Ok, I've got four up-votes, but no convinc...

discussion badges badge-request

Look at the comment on the last answer

Maybe I shouldn't have listened to a comment :P

0 scored, I mean

ProgramFOX

I think he means that only one answer to the question will get the Populist badge.

The Wobbuffet

That's what I mean...

Jon Clements

Well, more than one answer per question can get a populist badge :)

Same way that > 1 can get nice/good/great answer badges

(just different criteria)

ProgramFOX

14:59

@JonClements But... the badge description says "highest scoring answer". That means that only one answer per question can get the badge.

The Wobbuffet

Yeah, so my answer does not lie!

Jon Clements

if the accepted answer is 11, then to get the badge someone needs to get 23

The Wobbuffet

Wait

There needs to be an accepted answer in populist?

Jon Clements

Doesn't stop two answers competing with each other, one getting a badge, one then overtaking the other

@TheWobbuffet yes.... the accepted answer has to have 11 at least

then the other answer has to have twice that plus one

So, the min is 11 for the accepted answer, and 23 for the other answer(s)

The Wobbuffet

O

[Delete]

Bart

15:01

:D

Jon Clements

So if the accepted answer is 11, then multiple other answers with 23+ can get it

The Wobbuffet

Mmm

Does anyone know why people upvote more answers than questions?

Anyway, find a voted post with a score of 100 or more. I bet it has more than 20,000 views

What's the shadow den for?

ProgramFOX

@TheWobbuffet It's the room of @ShadowWizard. We play a Word Association Game in there.

rene

15:35

@TheWobbuffet something like this

ManishBot

15:56

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: famliy probalm Solution baba ji in +91 9950211818 on english.stackexchange.com

The Wobbuffet

Umm

I don't understand!

How do you play?

ProgramFOX

@TheWobbuffet Just reply to the previous word.

The Wobbuffet

What last word

ProgramFOX

The latest posted word.

The Wobbuffet

Example?

You reply to the last person who posted and say something random?

ProgramFOX

16:03

No, not random, something associated.

The Wobbuffet

Like..?

ProgramFOX

Example: I post the word "smoke", then you can reply "detector".

The Wobbuffet

Can I reply fire?

ProgramFOX

Of course!

The Wobbuffet

Ok

Jon Clements

16:04

Or "alarm" or whatever :)

The Wobbuffet

I'll try the magic now

Are we allowed to reply to ourselves?

Vote to Close

no

The Wobbuffet

K

Does a name count as a word?

Vote to Close

yea, you can even use more than one word if it is a proper name

ProgramFOX

Yep

in Shadow's Den, Apr 10 at 12:02, by Shadow Wizard

============= New Rule =============
More than one word is allowed in the following cases:
1. Names (including brand names, e.g. Rolls Royce)
2. Terms
================================

That says it is allowed to use more than one word for a name, so names with one word are also allowed.

The Wobbuffet

16:12

K

The rules should be in the desc

Are you allowed to reply what the person before that person said?

Vote to Close

no

ProgramFOX

Nope

The Wobbuffet

K

ProgramFOX

It might happen that two people reply at the same time, and then the latest word counts.

Vote to Close

and the other person should delete

The Wobbuffet

16:14

Can we reply a synonym?

ProgramFOX

Yes, because that's associated.

The Wobbuffet

An antonym?

Vote to Close

stop trying to make me say a swear @TheWobbuffet !

The Wobbuffet

Hehe

ProgramFOX

@TheWobbuffet Also allowed.

The Wobbuffet

16:14

Yus!

Whats the opposite of "curse"?

Bless!

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening | Electronic / Experimental / Downtempo

Vote to Close

@ProgramFOX No searching on google for words /synonyms/antonyms,etc should be allowed, that should be a rule if not already

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Why does “ебало” mean a face and “ебаться” mean to fuck? on russian.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

@VotetoClose Umm... how would you check that?

Vote to Close

@ProgramFOX If I use a really big word, I obviously cheated

Shadow Wizard

16:19

eh, glad to see my Den is getting attention ;)

ProgramFOX

And why should it be disallowed? I don't see a problem in using Google.

Shadow Wizard

my son arrived to the computer, will come later

GnomeSlice

@Bart ^

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ANY CONNECTION? on physics.stackexchange.com

GnomeSlice

@ManishBot wat

hichris123

16:29

@ManishBot Spam?

rene

@hichris123 That OP lost connection with the real world...

hichris123

Uhm... who pressed the wrong button on that post?

GnomeSlice

A photo would help. — Brandon Enright 8 mins ago

lol

Vote to Close

bigfoot.stackexchange.com

GnomeSlice

huehuehue

Tim Stone

17:00

@hichris123 Wow, the nav links are really messed up in Chrome dev, hmm

GnomeSlice

@TimStone 'dev' usually means 'messed up'.

hichris123

17:13

@TimStone You're right. Didn't realize that.

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@Stijn: Belgium needs to play harder ...

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DELPHI DATABASE PROJECT-DELETE, INSERT, AND UPDATE A REORD on stackoverflow.com

user163250

Duplicate cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24588432/…

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I would if I had 100 cvs per day :D

TGMCians

hey people

rene

17:25

o/

TGMCians

\o

ProgramFOX

\o/

user163250

O_O

user163250

Duplicate cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/21095054/…

Bart

_o_

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17:27

@TGMCians: I have an android for you to be closed.

Braiam

@Cupcake you sure?

Final Contest

you can never be sure with Bart :D

user163250

@Braiam about what?

Final Contest

sorry, that was Braiam, not Bart... oops.

TGMCians

@FinalContest ok, share

Final Contest

17:30

@TGMCians: stackoverflow.com/questions/9226513/…

Bart

Still correct though @FinalContest. You can never be sure .... never .... MUWAHAHAHA

Final Contest

it is either duplicate, or too broad ... or unclear.

@TGMCians: is the OP asking about general linkage + android -> too broad.

is it about linkage only? -> duplicate

is it only about Android -> unclear.

TGMCians

hmm reading

Final Contest

we have a C/C++ linkage issue every day ... wait, 5-10 every day. :D

Braiam

@Cupcake check the q again

user163250

17:33

@Braiam which question?

Braiam

@Cupcake click the small arrow... :/

TGMCians

@FinalContest duplicate, it is about linkage only

user163250

@Braiam oh right, checking...

TGMCians

Laszlo : closed

Braiam

btw, cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/2491930/792066

TGMCians

17:35

done

user163250

@Braiam this makes a better canonical stackoverflow.com/questions/6106137/…

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@TGMCians: Laszlo is here again? :D

Braiam

@Cupcake exactly ;)

Jan Dvorak

@FinalContest apparently

TGMCians

haha

Final Contest

17:37

j/k, thanks.

poor YCS, got downvoted again to oblivion without actually commenting on his technical part as opposed to the "tone".

Jan Dvorak

wait, is YCS unsuspended?

Bart

Nah. He posted on Meta SE

-8

Q: Why people feel no shame nowadays?

Examples provided in this question are rather belong to meta@stackoverflow, as to comprehend them some programming knowledge is required. But, due to obvious reasons, I cannot post there - so, here is the only place where I can ask. After all, it's about people, not programming. So, why people f...

discussion answer-quality

Jan Dvorak

wait, is YCS not suspended network-wide?

Bart

Nope

Final Contest

how many upvotes did he gather?

Jan Dvorak

17:41

Rants are habitually downvoted and this definitely reads like a rant.

3

Bart

@FinalContest 7

Michael Petrotta

+7/-15

Jan Dvorak

Admiting to having bypassed a suspension by posting elsewhere probably didn't help either

Bart

Meh, don't much care about that. It's not necessarily an SO-only issue he's trying to address.

That section can simply be removed.

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I saw it having +2 score, but it is nice to see the community does not modulo downvote him for raising good points in "bad tone", whatever that is.

Bart

17:44

Who says that the majority of downvotes is because of the tone?

Michael Petrotta

It's more than a "bad tone". When people say "bad tone", they're being polite. He's ranting so much, he rains spittle on the front row.

Final Contest

"This comment is not eligible for voting..." -> LOL

Jan Dvorak

> Say, let's take [someone] ... Why do they press "report to mods" button?

Final Contest

dahekk ?

Bart

It's locked @FinalContest

Michael Petrotta

17:45

A shame. He does good works.

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ah, perhaps it is because it got locked.

now that is silly.

Jan Dvorak

That's sounds like an unfounded accusation. Not to mention the button is misnamed for no apparent reason.

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@Bart: Yes.

Bart

@MichaelPetrotta I've said it before, he sometimes has great points, but they are lost in the noise.

Michael Petrotta

Yes.

Final Contest

17:46

@MichaelPetrotta: well, I do not like others' tone so what?

I will still focus on the valid point instead.

tone is relative.

pink or purple?

ManishBot

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Bart

Well done @FinalContest. The community however shows time and time again that they don't appreciate it. If you then do not adjust to get your message heard ...

Michael Petrotta

Again, it's not tone, @FinalContest. If someone jumps up in my face in a bar, pounds on my chest, and tells me my shoe is untied, should I be appreciative?

Final Contest

@Bart: what I am trying to say is that people cannot step over cultural differences to be objective.

Bart

Not really a cultural difference though @FinalContest. I don't buy that. It's common sense at some point. Not "his" apparently.

Final Contest

17:48

95-99% of the people do not even try to address the main point.

@Bart: it is cultural differences.

your "friendly tone" would be odd in the Linux kernel because they have different background and tradition, and they like it that way.

Jan Dvorak

@FinalContest no

Final Contest

"tone" is relative.

Bart

I'm surprised to see this stance come from you though @FinalContest. To me you are from the very beginning the "be gentle" guy. Tone was something you objected to time and time again ...

Final Contest

@MichaelPetrotta: wrestlers like that :D

@MichaelPetrotta: but in all honesty, that is an exaggeration.

@Bart: do not be surprised, even I have the limits.

:-)

Bart

Hah

Final Contest

17:51

nah, seriously, I prefer friendliness, and YCS can be friendly, too, but the people to whom he is referring to is annoying, continously annoying... I am yet to see someone with infinite patient, and to be honest, it is not bad to say to strongly opinionated incorrect guys that they are completely wrong if they do not get it otherwise.

Jan Dvorak

double "to". Sorry, but it annoys me.

Bart

The major issue I have with him though is not so much his tone, but the fact that because of that he shoots himself in his foot time and time again. The guy has a point every now and then, puts in great effort, is a brilliant contributor if he wants to be, but screws himself far too often.

Benjamin Gruenbaum

YCS is strange.

Final Contest

I think the community screws itself instead ;-)

They are dismissing critical issues because of some relative "tone".

well, community is 2/3 in this case.

Benjamin Gruenbaum

Honestly, there are people who feel oh-so-clever for cheating the system for rep - as long as the Q&As themselves stay high quality I don't really care that much.

Final Contest

17:54

I have seen pretty much every old timer here writing "OK, I am out..." in complete desperation to help a newbie.

Benjamin Gruenbaum

People answering things they don't understand is really annoying.

3

It's a lot more annoying than dumb questions

Final Contest

it is equally annoying to me, but yes.

Benjamin Gruenbaum

Especially if they present it like fact

Final Contest

the guy is smiling and having happy life to destruct the content we are doing are best with to make it top quality.

Jan Dvorak

@BenjaminGruenbaum that's when we farm the chat for downvotes

Final Contest

17:55

no one even bothered to downvote it after YCS' attention.

he gets the upvotes and all that for a complete silly answer. :(

Benjamin Gruenbaum

@JanDvorak chat helps, but I think it should be easier to 'contend' an answer and get more peer review to it

Jan Dvorak

he fixed the answer, though, didn't he?

Final Contest

he should have deleted it in the first place and feel ashamed, apologize, etc.

Jan Dvorak

@BenjaminGruenbaum interesting idea; not sure it'll pass, though

Bart

@FinalContest Harakiri

Final Contest

17:57

twice!

Benjamin Gruenbaum

@JanDvorak abuse potential = infinity

@FinalContest I upvoted YCS's answer and downvoted the other one

Jan Dvorak

@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah. Socks

Benjamin Gruenbaum

A lot of people dislike YCS though, he can be very abusive and not nice sometimes - in most tags I participate we have enough positive people to not care about that sort of thing but in PHP I think he might be really missed.

Also - I have no idea why he got banned but I assume it's not for the rant. I also assume it's far from the first time he gets banned since he is a repeat offender

Jan Dvorak

A lot of his answers are not answers, though, but comments.

Bart

Yep, those were problematic

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