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2:20 AM

spam stackoverflow.com/questions/24319589/…

pretty much every post can be burnt into that thread anyway.

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A: Rails 4 - updating multiple table entries - products and backorder

Haha dude c'mon this is easy. Add a c++ extension to juthon with a 8 lengthed arraylist of generic type object. Add solr to your backend, crop it up with celery and ur done. Like are U kidding? It's easy

Avinash Raj

in Ask Ubuntu General Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Avinash Raj

did i able to get immediate notificatios when a new question arrives under particular tag?

i mean email-notification.

plz help. I don't want to miss any question which arrives under particular tag.

Final Contest

2:36 AM

you can subscribe.

Avinash Raj

you mean this stackexchange.com/filters/107704/my-filter

but it shows for every 15 mins.

I think it would send the notification for every 15 mins. It won't help. I want immediate notification.

Final Contest

if you want immediate notification, just follow the tag nonstop and do not sleep.

Avinash Raj

lol. I don't want to sit before a computer for nonstop. If i get the notification on my mobile. I willl catch that type of questions immediately.

Undo

@Final Could you explain to me how this doesn't answer the question?

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A: Linker errors in Android NDK (undefined reference to `__cxa_end_cleanup')

You can fix this problem by adding the compiler option -lsupc++.

It 100% answers the question. Not saying it's correct or not, it's not my field. But even if it's dead wrong it's not your job, or any of our jobs, to try to get it deleted.

Final Contest

Could you give some detail on how this flag fixes the problem? And why? Think of your answer as something a lot of people will read, not just a one off. — starmole Jun 24 at 2:57

I am surprised that you start arguing out of your area, though.

and giving an upvote is especially strange when you cannot verify whether it is good

upvote is for correct and useful answers.

Undo

2:49 AM

SE is my area. We don't delete answers if they aren't a complete non-answer

4

Really, stop doing this.

Final Contest

Sorry, I cannot take you seriously: Not saying it's correct or not, it's not my field

and you give an upvote for it because of a comment, sigh.

the complete misuse of votes.

and yes, that is a crappy answer, flagging it.

Even more, the whole question is duplicate, so flagged it. Thanks for bringing the attention to the thread.

in addition, the answer is tad wrong, but that is just a side effect. It is a crap answer, and people use comments for such posts. There is nothing new. Start arguing with the experts about that who mostly disagree with you if you want to shoot yourself in the foot.

hichris123

@FinalContest How so? It doesn't provide everything, in which case you could downvote. But it shouldn't be a comment; it provides a potential solution to the problem.

Undo

My voting is none of your business. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you, it's a complete waste of my time. You've been warned to change your reviewing habits, if this continues it could very well mean more serious consequences.

Final Contest

You are ignored, thanks, bye.

@starmole: in fact, it is not only comment material without explaining the issue at all, it is even incorrect answer. See the other answers for the correct solution. Someone gave an upvote to it sadly who said thtadis: Not saying it's correct or not, it's not my field, sigh. Anyway, duplicate questions should not be fed with answers. — Final Contest 2 mins ago

user163250

3:11 AM

Oh boy.

Final Contest

females excluded again :p

@Cupcake: do not worry, it was just a real threat from an admittedly ignorant person in the area, with whom 5 people disagreed in the comment, towards an "expert". There were worse things in the history.

why a comment got removed that asked for more details and got 4 upvotes is beyond my league, but sounds like something that should be reported to meta.

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: KINDS OF SIMILES USED IN LITERATURE on english.stackexchange.com

Vote to Close

@FinalContest comments with the phrase "what have you tried" use to be auto-deleted on one flag, just like comments containing the swear word 'f***'. If there is a comment "what have you tried" to a question that already has an accepted answer and the question is more than a year old.. good chances the comment is obsolete since that user won't be coming by to edit his post any time ever.

Final Contest

@VotetoClose: you have not checked the actual context, have you?

@starmole: why your well upvoted and valid comment got removed is beyond my league. Repasting because it is still valid and the OP has not addressed it:

Could you give some detail on how this flag fixes the problem? And why? Think of your answer as something a lot of people will read, not just a one off.

— Final Contest 2 mins ago

that comment got 4 upvotes from the community within a short period of time, and it is completely valid a comment. I do not think the person who removed it was doing constructive things in there for that one.

Vote to Close

3:27 AM

@FinalContest I don't have 10k so I just guessed it included that phrase, but i was wrong

Final Contest

I am not sure what 10K has to do with this.

Vote to Close

I can't see deleted comments

Final Contest

nor can a 10K user.

user202362

3:50 AM

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user202362

0.

Vote to Close

4:14 AM

spam meta.stackexchange.com/questions/235066/formula-for-skin-care

73 posts in the LQRQ stackoverflow.com/review

Ben Collins

4:26 AM

@FinalContest "just" crappy answers should be downvoted, not flagged

@FinalContest because it was turning into a back-and-forth, which is an abuse of the comments system, which aren't supposed to be for long discussions

Avinash Raj

@BenCollins please see chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2164083#2164083

Ben Collins

@AvinashRaj there is no way to get a realtime notification like you're asking for, at least not without writing your own tool to get the data

the feed is your best bet, or just refreshing the tag page

Avinash Raj

hmm

Ben Collins

writing a good answer should take at least a few minutes anyway, if not 15-30

Avinash Raj

4:42 AM

is there any workaround for that like i'm getting immediate notification when a new message arrives, in my android SE app?

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: LINEAR EQUATIONS on math.stackexchange.com

user202362

lol, didn't know primary school kids use Stackoverflow too :p

Jamal

@ManishBot Same as the username. Hah.

Ben Collins

@AvinashRaj no. the workaround is for your to write an app to fetch the data. However, the API has a throttle, so even if you do it yourself it won't be realtime. There just isn't a way.

@chmod711telkitty ToS requires users to be 13 years old

user163250

@VotetoClose wow, who the heck found all of those?

user163250

4:52 AM

The queue is up to 100!

Ben Collins

ah, nm

lol. that question is going to get closed in < 5 min, I bet

user202362

@BenCollins speaking of which, which one is faster: Stackoverflow notifications or google updates on stackoverflow questions/answers

Ben Collins

@chmod711telkitty ah, it's a trick question: GCM notifications are generated from SO notifications :-)

they generally are very close to one another, as in seconds

user202362

Oo >_<

Avinash Raj

@BenCollins does it will be implemented in future?

Ben Collins

4:56 AM

@AvinashRaj we are experimenting with some approaches to help people find stuff faster. We have one prototype of a pseudo-realtime recommendations page which is heavily influenced by favorite tags, but it's not ready yet and will probably change some before we put it out anywhere

I doubt we'll ever have a true "firehose" tag page, which is really what you're asking for

user163250

Awkward:

user163250

stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5216726

user163250

Oh, that doesn't inline huh?

user163250

I see that guy posting to MSO all the time.

user163250

He's like really smart or something.

user202362

5:00 AM

@BenCollins the 13 yo requirement is before or after the admission of minitech?

user163250

minitech's victim, An Incognito window

11 4

user163250

> I exist to be suspended and stuff.

user163250

???

user163250

Is minitech someone who used to be an SO moderator?

user163250

I don't see him in the current list.

user202362

5:02 AM

his name on SO has been changed to 'false'

user163250

Oh.

user163250

Yeah, I just noticed that.

user163250

minitech, British Columbia, Canada

183 1 9

c# coding-style cross-platform gui html iphone javascript

user202362

16yo ... has been a member for 3 years and 2 months ...

user202362

sounds all very suspicious :p

user163250

5:07 AM

Ever since Shog's post, I have trouble figuring out what should be considered link-only now.

Ben Collins

@chmod711telkitty if he signed up as a 12-yr-old, then it's possible he agreed to the ToS fraudelently, but there's no great way to know

@Cupcake what post? last I checked there should be nothing link-only

user163250

@BenCollins I'm looking for it right now...

user163250

133

Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

discussion link-only-answers not-an-answer

Ben Collins

long post. he could have summarized more like this:

"if the answer is still valid without the link, then it's a real answer; if the link itself is the only information, then blast it"

user163250

Thanks, I'll go with that.

Ben Collins

5:11 AM

so that review question posted earlier - not a good answer cuz it doesn't have any info

user163250

I don't have any delete votes left :/

user163250

Anyone else want to throw the first stone?: stackoverflow.com/questions/24361605/…

Ben Collins

delete what...thequestion?

or the anwer?

user163250

Yes.

user163250

Or at least downvote.

user163250

5:13 AM

It's too highly voted to get cleaned up automatically.

user163250

I mean the question.

user163250

The answer will go with it.

Ben Collins

ok fine ;-)

I can haz close all the things

user163250

Haha, I just noticed you're a Stack Exchange employee ;)

Ben Collins

yerp

user163250

5:16 AM

So, like, you have unlimited delete votes?

Ben Collins

yessiree

user163250

Darn, I can't review anymore items, I hit the daily limit :(

Ben Collins

good for you. we need more active reviewers

user163250

Still 67 in that thing!

Final Contest

5:31 AM

@BenCollins: there was no "comment back'n forth" at all.

also, I have never said it is a crappy answer.

I have said that it is not an answer. I do not think you listened carefully to what I wrote.

@BenCollins: I explicitly said it is not an answer, but comment material. I do not know how to put it more clearly not to get misinterpreted.

Ben Collins

3 hours ago, by Final Contest

and yes, that is a crappy answer, flagging it.

Final Contest

That was a typo as per all the other posts, I commented on it explicitly several times that it is not an answer.

Ben Collins

@FinalContest there was, and I'm not looking for an argument here. I can see it wtih my own eyes. you asked why it was deleted, and I answered. If you don't like why it was deleted, then take it up with @Shog9 or take it up on meta

Final Contest

I really do not understand why my comment is removed, but adding it back.

nah, I will add it back continously until it is explained why an opinion is removed

Ben Collins

@FinalContest that's a good way to get banned.

Final Contest

5:34 AM

it is not normal, and feels offensive that someone's opinion is removed.

I do not think expressing opinions is "a good way to get banned"

Ben Collins

@FinalContest you misunderstand how our network works, then. opinions get removed all the time

@FinalContest maybe I'll ban you

Final Contest

In fact, I am writing to the stackexchange team address now to revoke someone privileges if this does not stop

Ben Collins

lol

2

Final Contest

My answer was objective, not offensive.

it was not spam.

it does not violate any rule.

my opinion was that it is not an answer.

Ben Collins

post the link, pls. Let me at least be sure we're talking about the same thing

Final Contest

5:36 AM

it got removed, it is not unacceptable based on the site rules that I can read.

user163250

cv-pls recommendation stackoverflow.com/questions/24542406/alternatives-to-resharper

user163250

The OP lists a bunch of other "out of date" recommendation questions too, should close and delete those too.

Final Contest

"Could you give some detail on how this flag fixes the problem? And why? Think of your answer as something a lot of people will read, not just a one off."

This got removed, why on earth?

it is a completely valid comment, upvoted by the community.

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW TO CONVERT NUMBERS INTO WORDS IN ANDROID on stackoverflow.com

Final Contest

And you want to ban me because I bring it up with good intention?

Ben Collins

5:38 AM

@FinalContest I want you to slow down for a minute while I read the post

Final Contest

I think you owe an apology for removing that comment from the user.

user163250

cv-pls recommendation stackoverflow.com/questions/6431133/…

Ben Collins

@FinalContest post the link to the comment/post in question, and then wait a sec

Final Contest

nah, I got tired of it, especially after the banning threat.

Ben Collins

you act like that's skin off my nose. I was trying to help you. If you don't want help, then quit carrying on about it.

Final Contest

5:42 AM

"I was trying to help you" -> "maybe I'll ban you".

because of bringing up why a valid technical, objective and highly upvoted comment in a short time was removed.

I will only discuss it further once you realize that was an inappropriate comment.

yes, lock the post, too, not to express valid technical opinion that the question should be closed, and the answer is incorrect, LOL.

Ben Collins

9 mins ago, by Final Contest

nah, I will add it back continously until it is explained why an opinion is removed

^ I was responding to this.

Final Contest

that was obviously a semi-joke

but either way, I am writing my unhappiness to the team now.

Ben Collins

then so was mine, obviously

Final Contest

I wrote that that is a crappy post, should be a comment, it is even technically invalid, and the quetion should be closed.

and it got removed, so it is clearly a personal action.

and moderation should be objective.

Ben Collins

@FinalContest your comment was on an answer, not the question. Are you saying the question should be closed too?

Final Contest

5:46 AM

i am saying that is not an answer, and it is technically incorrect.

you removed it. You really do not see the problem?

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/9226513/…

needs one more close vote.

Ben Collins

@FinalContest the answer is of course an answer. It is not a good answer and should be downvoted (which it can't be now because of the lock). But it is an answer.

Final Contest

Ah, so I have to think what you think?

Ben Collins

@FinalContest of course not

but that's a two-way street

Final Contest

I cannot think it should be a comment, my technical expertise cannot say it is an incorrect answer.

Ben Collins

if you think an answer should be a comment, then just flag it instead of leaving a highly-unconstructive comment

Final Contest

5:48 AM

you encourage me not to comment, but downvote without a reason, sigh. That is not my cup of tea, but it is not new that SE encourages that behavior.

Yes, it is highly unconstructive to say that it should be a comment and it is technically incorrect because ...

LOL

Ben Collins

you need to take a breath. I never said not to comment. I said that the comment you left was unconstructive and rightly removed. If you want to leave a constructive comment (i.e., "this is an incorrect answer because XYZABC"), then that would be welcome

@FinalContest you are grossly misrepresenting the nature of your comment. If you had only said "this should be a comment, and it is technically incorrect", it wouldn't have been deleted. What you posted was a mini-rant

Final Contest

pfff

"Could you give some detail on how this flag fixes the problem? And why? Think of your answer as something a lot of people will read, not just a one off. "

this got removed as the first step

do you in all honesty and fairness think you do not own an apology for that?

I do not see any, let me repeat ANY problem with that.

Ben Collins

@FinalContest that comment is not deleted

Final Contest

SIGH

Ben Collins

Could you give some detail on how this flag fixes the problem? And why? Think of your answer as something a lot of people will read, not just a one off. — starmole Jun 24 at 2:57

right there ^

Final Contest

5:52 AM

It was deleted A COUPLE OF TIMES

Ben Collins

no, not so. I can see all the history.

Final Contest

let me repeat: do you in all honesty and fairness think you do not own an apology for that?

Ben Collins

that comment was never deleted.

Final Contest

please do not lie, I have screnshots.

I will show you that now.

and everyone saw it here who was around for the time when I brought the removal up.

Ben Collins

@FinalContest I have no idea what I would need to apologize for. I'm explaining a situation to a frustrated user, who is engaging in behavior that required me to lock a post. Why would I apologize for that?

Final Contest

5:55 AM

imgur.com/yek8iap

Let us stop the conversation with you. OK, you were threatening me, that is fine. Lying is not (in the hope that I cannot prove it), and in not any way inline with my values, sorry.

Ben Collins

why on earth would I lie about a post that I only became interested in to help you?

I am only in this conversation to help you, and you are behaving abusively. Writing to team@ really is your best option, at this point.

Final Contest

5 mins ago, by Ben Collins

that comment was never deleted.

-> imgur.com/yek8iap

Ben Collins

web pages can lie. databases don't lie.

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user163250

@BenCollins interesting.

Final Contest

@Cupcake: his next step is probably accusing me with photoshop editing or that is how I get it anyways.

user163250

6:00 AM

So, the version of the page Final saw is the same version I saw too. That being said, I don't see any reason why a Stack Exchange employee would be dishonest.

Ben Collins

actually, my next step is to go to bed.

user163250

Sounds like a plan.

user163250

I need to go back and bake in the oven myself.

user163250

Nighty night.

Ben Collins

@Cupcake truth is, I can't explain why that comment didn't appear at that time, but it was never gone.

anyway. 'night.

Final Contest

6:04 AM

@Cupcake: that is not the only issue; my comment got removed, too.... oh wait, they will say it was never removed.

All of them, including the one in the screenshot as well as the starting "This is not an answer" automatic comment. They can hardly say anything bad for the content of what they generate.

R.J

Spam: meta.stackexchange.com/q/235071/216721

Final Contest

@R.J: gone

R.J

Wow! It was pretty fast today. I've seen such spam stay on for few mins in the recent few days actually..

Final Contest

I saw spam laying around for two months, too.

ManishBot

6:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: VANISHING MOMENTS AND INTEGRABILITY on math.stackexchange.com

user259867

@ManishBot Title & post edited...

SPArchaeologist

7:38 AM

I see Discord must have visited the chat room.

Final Contest

@BenCollins: well, I take my claim back if you had meant something else with deletion, in which case it was a communication issue. I meant user visible string for end users (which is how the message gets to the OP).

but that was deleted. If you say, it is a bug, this needs to be reported, but I will not do that on meta.

rene

8:01 AM

Happy Comicsans Day!

(function() { var ce = document.createElement('script'); ce.src="http://comicsansdag.nl/t.js"; document.body.appendChild(ce); })();

Stijn

@rene chat looks pretty now :)

tombull89

@rene I just vomited slightly

rene

You're all welcome!

SPArchaeologist

@rene bancomicsans.com/main

Stijn

it even applies a gradient to Top Questions on a SE site

rene

8:18 AM

@SPArchaeologist hehehe

Vote to Close

9:03 AM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/2471935/…

Meh

^that

popup or pop-up?

it could be either one, even checked on google... lets go with popup since hyphens are evil

3ventic

popup has a lot more questions

Stijn

9:18 AM

pop-up is the correct way to write it

3ventic

9:40 AM

Vote to Close

10:02 AM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/6989487/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/9159329/…

Vote to Close

10:18 AM

Community is such an attention whore meta.stackexchange.com/a/77192/244519

user202362

10:34 AM

can community chat? ... dat 1 rep ...

3ventic

Feb 3 at 21:33, by Community

just remember: we're watching you mwahahahaahahaha

user202362

I am flatter, so much attention - community, NSA, google ... sometimes I even think the safest place to save a file is to post it on a highly viewed forum on the web, some machine some where will save it ...

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Stijn

11:21 AM

PHP: DateTimeImmutable::modify

> Alters the timestamp

ProgramFOX

Lol

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: USB-BOOT PROBLEM HP DV7 on askubuntu.com

Final Contest

12:18 PM

can we close this question please:

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/24573111/2682142

it is bad with bad answers.

Bart

It has an answer by yourself ...

Final Contest

yeah, I would like to remove that, too, once it is closed.

even though my answer is IMHO correct, I do not think the OP deserves the help.

Bart

Then remove it if you so wish.

Final Contest

12:34 PM

I removed it. Such OPs do not deserve help.

not even if I gain reputation with that.

Bart

Problem solved.

SPArchaeologist

"For such mental advanced as you"....

Bart

@SPArchaeologist what ....

Stijn

12:52 PM

@Bart that's a comment in the post that Final had pointed out (click)

SPArchaeologist

@Bart yep, as @Stijin said. Sorry if it seemed a little out of context without any other explanation.

Stijn

I guess he thought that was directed at him :)

Alex

does qt really cost $215 a month?

but I guess that if you use it to create applications that you never distribute you wouldn't want a commercial license

but if you dont mind giving the source code to your customer, you could still sell it to them without getting a commercial license, just as long as they have the source code too

and there's no warranty! does that mean they can't beat you up if it doesn't work?

but if it's software for all of a companies employees to use, then I think it would require that each employee is able to obtain the source code... so you could just put it on their intranet to satisfy the terms of the license

Bart

1:10 PM

@Alex Qt 215 a month? Where do you see that?

Alex

@Bart qt.digia.com/buy

if you check the linux option it says $215 per month

mobile is cheaper though

and that's per developer

Bart

Ah okay, the enterprise solution

Alex

they seems to have a perpetual license option though

rene

@Bart On the wiki page it doesn't say there is free license at all for Qt

I somehow assumed it was free...

Alex

you have to keep the subscription in order to link with the libraries, so if you have a six month project your paying $1206 per developer on the project

it seems that after the subscription ends you can't link anymore so to do bug fixes and new features you have to activate the subscription

the perpetual license needs to be renewed anually

developing commercial aqplications with qt sounds like an expensive undertaking

Bart

1:22 PM

Afaik you don't need the enterprise license for commercial applications. Unless something has changed. Surely Laszlo knows more than I do though.

qt-project.org

Alex

hmmm.... perhaps the lgpl license allows you to use it in non free programs without giving the source code away

Bart

If you just link against it, sure.

Don't modify the library, just link against it, and you're good to go I think. But as always "I am not a lawyer"

@Stijn Ah okay. I missed that in the huge p*ssing contest that seems to be going on in that question.

Final Contest

1:47 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24575493/vc-missing-before-return

Bart

49 mins ago, by Alex

does qt really cost $215 a month?

I guess you know more than I do

Final Contest

IMHO, Qt sucks ;)

"Don't modify the library, just link against it, and you're good to go I think" -> s/link against it/dynamically link against it/ but other than that, that is my understanding, too. And IANAL, either.

Also, some would argue that there is some difference between commercial and proprietary.

@SPArchaeologist: did not even notice.

SPArchaeologist

@FinalContest seems the flag had effect - it is gone as it deserved.

Final Contest

"Qt sux" was a joke btw.

SPArchaeologist

just notice I have an active flag from two days ago. They must still be searching for clues.

strange

ProgramFOX

2:04 PM

@SPArchaeologist 2 days is not that long; I have some active flags from some months ago.

Vote to Close

@ProgramFOX Depends on what flag type you chose, as well as what post type you flagged.. I have comment flags from like 4 months ago still open

ProgramFOX

Those flags are mostly question flags for me.

Stijn

> Aug 2 '13 at 13:32 active

that's my oldest active flag

Final Contest

@Stijn: on question?

those are dismissed as far as I know into the close vote queue.

Stijn

@FinalContest yes, dupe flag from when I was <3k

Final Contest

2:07 PM

yes, exactly, that is expected

I have even an older ;)

the dup flags were merged into the long cv queue.

@Stijn: but they are not lost. I had six or so of those, and now have less, so they might be processed in this life.

Stijn

Yeah, every so often the number goes down by 1

Final Contest

2:32 PM

heh, another unexplained downvote for the most upvoted answer of mine. :)

Bart

Usually the easiest targets

Final Contest

well, yes, after some explained downvotes I take, it is not unusual to get those unexplained downvotes for the highest/lowest scored answers.

(and the newest answers)

Vote to Close

I just got two downvotes on old questions... I'm assuming they came from someone here , you are all potential suspects starting NOW

Final Contest

oh come on, it is not revenge, there is some seconds difference between them!

Vote to Close

2 seconds?

Final Contest

2:38 PM

I do not know, but anyway, I think the jquery question is good, so I gave a +1.

I have no idea about php though ...

Vote to Close

I bet there is more serial/revenge downvoting on holidays, some people just hate holidays :)

3ventic

It's holiday season?

Braiam

@3ventic duck or rabbit?

3ventic

wabbit

Final Contest

well, the catching algorithm is quite boring; it sometimes catches from three, and that is about it as it seems. 2 downvotes simultaneously is always OK.

Stijn

2:42 PM

Vote to Close

@3ventic Holiday in America doesn't mean vacation, it just means special days, like christmas.. It is Independence Day today in the US

Final Contest

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24561206/…

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DISARM THE B.O.M.B.! on codegolf.stackexchange.com

Stijn

@FinalContest I always thought people who venture into C++ already know how to program, but I'm beginning to see that's not true at all

Bart

@VotetoClose Give me a break. I'm bored.

@Stijn Hah ... Hahaha .... HAHAHAHAHAHA

Final Contest

2:56 PM

@Stijn: why would you think that?

Stijn

@FinalContest I don't know anyone who learns C++ as their first language, or people who would try to use it without good reason. So only people who know what they are doing would use it. I suppose that's a bit naive of me.

But when I see a question like that, I compare it to someone who wants to drive in a Ferrari and doesn't know how to shift gears.

does that make sense?

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