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user202362

14:02

Oo I get it ... beautiful but disturbing because all the downvotings?

Shadow Wizard

wait, you admit downvoting Bart's posts?!

user202362

I don't downvote ... I hardly vote full stop

user202362

Back to the original problem ...

user202362

Now closest I could think of is NSChat - love it there, except I am not an apple fan

user202362

Android - doesn't accept me, also I am not exactly an Android developer (even though I have 2 apps on android & is writing a new one).

user202362

14:07

PHP - great place, except all those cv-pls dumps are seriously pissing me off ...

Stijn

we could try to get chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/5/the-so-tavern-general active

@rene is pretty lonely there

rene

But I like it being alone there....

Stijn

14:24

@rene I've added it to my permanently open tabs, you'll have to get used to a Morning! every day now :D

rene

I can handle that :)

GnomeSlice

Visualizing Algorithms

hichris123

15:02

@FinalContest You caught me. ;P Posted the wrong link.

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening | Electronic / Instrumental

Vote to Close

what have I missed?

Stijn

!!!!! Now I found it! The problem is I am rather shortsighted and therefore use large fonts on my screen. I forgot to scroll down to where the topics are listed! Thank you all! — Henriette van de Haar 4 mins ago

heh

Vote to Close

@Stijn UX team meeting pronto!

Alex

15:21

is there a romanian language chat room on chat.stackexchange.com or chat.stackoverflow.com? I tried searching for romanian in the chat search but it just comes up with people saying the word, is there a way to limit the search to room descriptions

ProgramFOX

@Alex There is a "filter rooms" search box.

Alex

doesn't seem to be anything there, even searched for "român"

Bart

15:37

You can always create one I guess

Braiam

@Stijn WUT

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aaronmallen, Texas

217 1 17

Bart

@VotetoClose that user is unknown to me. I deny any knowledge of said user. Any indication of it being my sockpuppet is completely incorrect. You have no proof!!!

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NullPoiиteя

@Bart world is full of stupids :D

@VotetoClose look i have changed my profile picture and its same as Bart's will you consider me socket puppet of bart ? LOL

hichris123

16:15

SPAM: magento.stackexchange.com/a/25930/8042

ProgramFOX

Gone!

Andy

@GnomeSlice Cool :)

Those maze generating ones are very interesting

user163250

16:58

So this guy on SO has been getting slammed recently on his answers:

user163250

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Q: When I answer product-specific questions, I include links to better resources. A user wiped those links out, calling them "other site advertisements"

When I answer product-specific questions, I include links to better resources for those products -- especially but not limited to help sites provided by the product supplier/vendor/producer. Tonight, TheEvilPenguin followed me through several such responses, and wiped those links out, calling th...

discussion answers spam

user163250

It would be helpful to get an official moderator or staff response about what the right away would be to answer the questions that the original poster was answering.

user163250

Robert Harvey touched upon it a little in the comments.

user163250

@TallTed: Maybe put it in the Virtuoso tag wiki. If the question were "what is the best place to post inquiries about Virtuoso (which would get closed, since it's off-topic), then your public service announcement would be the proper answer. But it isn't, and it's not. — Robert Harvey ♦ 11 hours ago

user163250

But the OP looks like he was still kind of just left hanging:

user163250

17:00

The only contact I have had with anyone has been through this meta-question, and through the attack-edits and attack-deletions on my answers. Comments are left on perceived-problematic questions -- why are they not left on my perceived-problematic answers? Basic courtesy and manners seem rather lacking here. — TallTed 5 mins ago

rene

17:12

@Cupcake I didn't go over all edits the OP made but to me it seems strange that you can have a boilerplate text and use that or add that to answers. In that case either the questions are a dupe of some canonical question or are a way to improve the SEO in google...

But this is problably too much black/white. A grey-ish colour is needed....

user163250

The questions were all about a product that his company makes, and he was redirecting users to the support forums of that company.

user163250

It's like if someone was asking questions about Visual Studio, and in response Eric Lippert redirected everyone to Microsoft's support forums.

Bart

I'd see that as problematic (from your description of it)

If we can answer it and it's on-topic, don't lead people away

user163250

Yeah, other people have been making that argument too.

Bart

Robert's comment also seems spot on. Put in in the tag wiki

user163250

17:16

The OP basically said he's just going to stop answering questions on SO:

user163250

The net result of all this will be many fewer Answers from me (and so, many more unanswered Questions, as in my experience, questioners rarely post answers to their own questions, and even more rarely accept them). No skin off my nose. shrugs — TallTed 27 mins ago

user163250

Oh well.

Bart

Meh. The basic "something happened that I don't agree with, so now I'm going to withhold precious content from you" card.

rene

The Whatever happened, it is not my fault kind of approach

user163250

It's often easy to guess who might be a low-rep user just from their comments:

user163250

17:21

I think elitism is shown more often in Close votes where some jump to conclusions the question is not worthy when in fact it is a legitimate problem, and not so much elitism when truly a dup question that should have not been asked again. — Dave 2 hours ago

user163250

Though occasionally I'll see a high-rep user express similar sentiments.

Bart

With all the "elitism" posts of late, I wonder if "elitism" is the new "Nazi".

user163250

Ha.

GnomeSlice

Well, Nazis were elitists.

user163250

I don't see Jon Skeet participating on Meta very much nowadays, but when he does, everyone pays attention:

user163250

17:33

76

A: Are we being "elitist"? Is there something wrong with that?

A lot of people confuse "I'm new to a technology" with "I don't know how to ask a good question". It's entirely possible to ask a good question with a technology which you happen to be a beginner in, but when a beginner asks a bad question they assume that downvotes are due to the difficulty leve...

rene

Can you be @pinged from a comment under a question you close voted?

user163250

@rene maybe, I think I've heard that you can...but I can't confirm.

rene

Hmmm It is not mentioned in the faq

ProgramFOX

@rene No, only moderators can get pinged under a question they closed.

user163250

Wouldn't it be great to have a sandbox stack exchange where you could actually test this kind of stuff out?

user163250

17:42

Ask a question, have it closed, then have someone ping the closer.

rene

@Cupcake dev.stackoverflow.com

user163250

@rene it's not open to the public though :/

rene

But getting an account there requires you to be an employee of SE.

user163250

Right.

rene

@Cupcake It was open in december last year for a day due to a bug/feature.

user163250

17:46

Ha.

user163250

I think I saw the Meta post about that.

hichris123

@Cupcake If you find a hole in it, yes.

The only dev site I still have access to is dev.webapps because cookies.

They haven't switched to HTTPS yet. :D

rene

18:14

There is the halted problem and the unhalted exception

Final Contest

even Jon Skeet is begging?!

@Downvoter: Care to comment? — Jon Skeet Jun 29 '11 at 11:00

rene

From 2011 when there was still peace...

Final Contest

flagged as "Shog9 says it is not worth begging for downvote reasons in comments, not even from My. Skeet!"

nice typo...

let us see if the rules apply to Mr. Skeet, too.

Bart

"status declined - unlike the rest of us the Skeet is always right"

Final Contest

wow, that was accepted pretty fast.

Anna Lear

18:18

it's not even half as controversial as you seem to expect. shrug

Final Contest

@rene: is it possible to obtain the most highly upvoted comment?

can anything beat this?

please tell me you didn't know that off the top of your head? — Gareth Davis Jul 27 '11 at 8:33

user163250

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/18186777/…

user163250

Take your pick, unclear, lacks information, etc.

Final Contest

already cv'd, dv'd.

fwiw, the other question of that user does not make much sense either

user163250

@FinalContest gracias

Lynn Crumbling

18:26

dv'd, cv'd; closed.

Final Contest

well, eres bienvenido

user163250

@LynnCrumbling gracias

Bart

Andy

@FinalContest according to this, nope. That's the highest

Final Contest

right, so we can call him Mr. Comment.

-2

Q: How do I downgrade from Visual Studio 2012 Premium to Visual studio 2012 Professional?

My company recently switched from Visual Studio 2012 Premium to 2012 Professional. Over the next 4 weeks, everyone should update their computer to accomodate this. I found an official message on this on http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/0c647d83-973e-4180-8529-76812a488743/in...

visual-studio-2012

I do not get the state of that question

it cannot be deleted, downvoted, etc

Bart

18:34

It was migrated here, closed, and thereby the migration failed.

Ah, can someone who he isn't ignoring say that again?

Final Contest

Heh, I cannot even comment. What is the point of that question anyways? /me is flagging for moderator attention.

Bart

Sigh ...

Anna Lear

@Bart hm, that's weird. I didn't think rejected migrations remained locked

Bart

Not sure if the answer on SO itself (I guess Andrew's answer came from there) caused it?

Anna Lear

@Bart nah, answers don't play into any of it.

Bart

18:45

Then all I have left is the wheel of blame

Anna Lear

Oh, I'm reading this wrong

Thought it was migrated to Progse, not from.

You're right, @Bart.

Bart

Yay!

Perhaps inform Final @AnnaLear? I think he's still ignoring most of us here. :D

Anna Lear

I've no idea if he's ignoring me as well or not. Hard to tell.

Bart

Now who would ignore you? Nobody!

hichris123

@Bart I'm not on ignore. At least, not yet.

18 mins ago, by Bart

It was migrated here, closed, and thereby the migration failed.

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/10762171/2581872

Bart

18:57

@hichris123 thanks ;)

rene

@FinalContest data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/206126

ah Andy beat me to it...

@hichris123 cv from me

Final Contest

-1

A: switch statement & user input

I'm brand new at java, and I came here look ing for answers, but i guess i'll just ask now. I'm trying to write a program that has an output like, "Do you like cookies?" Lets say you do. Then it will say, "do you like chocolate chip cookies?" and a bunch of stuff on how you like your cookies. but...

@rene: ok, thanks.

@Andy: you, too.

hichris123

19:24

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/3993730/2581872

Sterling Archer

19:43

Hi, is this where I come to share grievances against a user who I believe is being a nuisance to the community?

rene

You could try, yes

Braiam

@SterlingArcher no, you only can drink imaginary bits beer

Sterling Archer

lol

rene

don't post when I try to post a message :-)

Sterling Archer

Well, for anybody who has 10k rep, I feel like the author deleted his question because of the comments stackoverflow.com/questions/24561833/… (I feel bad because I participated, but in my defense, I was defending the OP)

This user ran a spam bot (starring messages) in the JS chat, and I've seen him on a few questions generally being unhelpful and in this case, rather condescending, telling the OP to "read the fucking manual" (RTFM)

rene

19:46

That is what they always say...

Sterling Archer

I was hoping he could be looked into for abuse, as @rlemon in the JS chat found out that he got rep by editing questions from an account that ran the exact same spam-bot so that he could come to chat and post comments, etc

rene

@SterlingArcher Is that question answerable?

If it is we could try to undelete it and then flag it for a moderator.

Sterling Archer

@rene I want to say yes. The OP had a general grasp of the code, however I was unfamiliar with extjs, so I couldn't say for sure. Even if it wasn't, the user in question wouldn't point him in the right direction, saying his question should be better etc (I can't quote anymore because I'm not 10k)

rene

Explaining the possible abuse AND asking for clearance of the comments

Sterling Archer

That would be great -- it was OP deleted (I hope it wasn't because of the comments) so I'm not sure how we would do that

But this specific case aside, we're pretty sure he abused the rep system via editing an account he also owns

rene

19:55

I can vote for undelete

Anna Lear

flag another one of their posts

Sterling Archer

I'm trying to find more examples of abuse -- this is the first time I've cried wolf about a user so pardon me if I'm doing this the wrong way

rene

I was just about to ping you @AnnaLear

Sterling Archer

@AnnaLear the OP or the suspected abuser?

Anna Lear

The abuser

rene

19:57

@SterlingArcher one of these

Anna Lear

Reference this post, describe the situation as best you can in a custom flag

Sterling Archer

But what if his Q&A's aren't really flag worthy? Does that not matter?

Anna Lear

There's no way to flag a user and right now you're mostly commenting into the void in chat. :)

If you want mods to investigate someone's behaviour, flagging one of their posts is the only way to go.

Sterling Archer

@AnnaLear thanks, I'll do that now. Appreciate it!

tombull89

Hi, @AnnaLear. Anything on this yet, or is it going to take a while?

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Q: Reach out to Generation D Systems about outsourcing their support to ServerFault

Recently on ServerFault we have a user who is answering questions about SecAst (SecureAsterisk). The thing is, the FaQ on their site (section 30) says: I downloaded the free edition, how can I get support? We offer support for the free edition on the serverfault website (www.serverfau...

discussion serverfault

Anna Lear

20:03

@tombull89 No idea, sorry. Not my department.

@TimPost ^^^

tombull89

@AnnaLear Ah, sorry, I thought you were still with the community team.

Sterling Archer

Oh, here it is. stackoverflow.com/users/3794374/sumer-kolcak?tab=reputation

These two accounts ran the exact same star-spam-bot in the JS chat.

So I believe editing your alt-account for rep is bad news, no?

Anna Lear

ah, Sumer.

rene

Ha, all posts from that user are visited by me :)

Sterling Archer

lol I take it y'all know this fella? xD

rene

20:08

Because I checked the answers of our abuser

Anna Lear

you could say that...

Sterling Archer

@AnnaLear my condolences :P

brb

Braiam

@tombull89 she was

Anna Lear

@Braiam the key word there is "still"

Braiam

@AnnaLear /me .keyword {display: hidden}

:P

rlemon

20:23

@AnnaLear I have a history with said user (sumer and the abdullah or w/e his name is) he has (off this site) admitted to being another user I've had history with (harassment and cyber stalking)

user259867

@AnnaLear Alas, rejected migrations remain on the destination site (which explicitly does not want them) in the locked state forever. They make a sizable pile of garbage that's not easy to clean up. Related feature request.

Anna Lear

@Thisismuchhealthier. yes, I know.

rlemon

I'm not sure if you remember some drama about a user name "Myth" from end of May

Sterling Archer

Was that the one that went psycho on SomeKitten's blog?

rlemon

yes, that is the same user

also I'm 99% sure Myth was dondom

Sterling Archer

20:30

That is troll dedication to the max

rlemon

whenever this troll pops into the chat I know it is one and the same because mysteriously some turkish named person starts commenting inappropriately on my g+

I've reported / blocked like 3 accounts of his now on g+

ohh yea, and the g+ posts only come after the offender is suspended from chat ;)

coincidence? I think not

Braiam

20:54

@rlemon that's the problem with random numbers.. you never know ;)

rlemon

RFC 1149.5 specifies 4 as the standard IEEE-vetted random number.

what if I read the comments?

hichris123

@rlemon Direct him to chat.SE. I'll destroy him ASAP. ;p

Bart

@hichris123 just create a chat room named "This is not a trap"

hichris123

@Bart Yup. And I'll make it private. ;P

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Why is “crap” more OK than “sh!t”? on english.stackexchange.com

Lynn Crumbling

21:12

@Bart That guy from yesterday blanked out his profile after he read your comment.

Bart

And he all of a sudden is the mysterious RPB I see ...

Lynn Crumbling

@Bart He's hiding from you ;)

Bart

His resistance is futile

Lynn Crumbling

HAHAHA

Bart

At least the message was clear I guess. I'll remove my comment.

Pops

21:53

Finally found it. The Dilbert about random numbers (just writing that for future search purposes).

Jon Ericson

@Pops Plan for the future: drop random chat messages that include the words "random" and "Dilbert".

Pops

@JonEricson Oh, so you're why balpha put that "when said by" field in the chat search tool.

Jon Ericson

@Pops Drat.

Pops

You could always use your super-moderator powers to take over my account and post as me. Oh, wait, I mean... moderators can't do that.

Jon Ericson

I could also ~~fiddle with the database to make this all go away~~ let you use chat as your own personal link storage.

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Braiam

22:02

@Pops nobody got the reference

:(

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