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@ColeJohnson Because it's something you shouldn't edit into a title.
 
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02:58
@ElfSlice you must be fun at parties
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Q: Will using 'var' affect performance?

Jeff KeslinkeEarlier I asked a question about why I see so many examples use the 'var' keyword and got the answer that while it's only necessary for anonymous types, that it is used nonetheless to make writing code 'quicker'/easier and 'just because'. Following this link I saw that var gets compiled down to ...

04:04
@Elf Might I suggest you think about what you onebox and what you don't? Some of us don't really find those types of previews too wonderful ;)
@UndotheSnowman Er, whoops, good point.
@mods feel free to edit that though, my bad
Heh, thanks ;)
@UndotheSnowman What's not wonderful about it? ;]
I never remember to check the thumbnail when I post music
I get banned for that all the time on gaming
x_x
04:41
0
Q: Typo in Br.SO's tour page

Undo the SnowmanI was poking around Stack Overflow in Portuguese, and I went to their tour page (from the big banner at the top.) I would have posted this in their Meta, but given that I can't spell 'portugeues' the same way twice, let along speak it, I decided to post in a more... comfortable venue. Basically,...

woohoo I actually found a bug in a foreign language site!
Don't let those Portyougeeze scare you!
Portuguys
(and Portugals)
Heh
It's fun to wander around that site and guess at what the words mean. I have some ideas for "trabalhar"
ooh.
i'm playing with tag markdown now.
status-review
Aha!
04:58
Firebug says that tag markup in chat involves lots of element.style.
status-still-cant-read-portugeez
status-take-this-to-sandbox
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11:22
46 hats this year
And I have the list :>
Can't wait...I managed only a couple of them last year...
I'm going to be out of town for most of winterbash :/
Did anyone collected all hats lats year?
Can't you buy some cat-6 cable to stay connected when you're out of town?
@rene I had all but 3 on Meta. One was a secret hat that only one person and employees got. One was a hat that only worked for sites that had metas. And one was a hat that I just didn't get (ask 30 questions)
Asking 30 questions is, well, a lot...specially for meta...
fun to see how a little gamification nakes everyone super motivated
Are there hats for reducing the close vote queue on SO to under 100K?
11:37
@rene There are hats for reviewing, but none for heavy duty reviews
That is a missed opportunity...
11:51
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Q: Provide incentives for reviewing close votes in upcoming Winterbash 2013

juergen dWinterbash (hopefully) is coming up! Meaning fun and hats! We have a lot proposals how to reduce the close vote queue like a close party or free mugs. Why don't we put most attention to the review system and especially the close-vote queue in the Winterbash? We could have the best hats for r...

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Aww, what? Chat doesn't onebox github links?
@Manishearth That reminds me. I shall congratulate all employees with their babies just to be sure.
Github @Asad? Why that? I'm sure they would focus on stuff programmers actually use, such as Youtube.
11:57
YESS! I got the hats to show up on my grav!
@michaelb958'saSleigh for what i's worth: I upvoted that question but didn't dare to downvote the answer of Shog9...
@Manishearth all of them? Already? You must be cheating!
user200500
Odd, it says it supports gists. I'm sure they disabled it just to ruin my clever joke at their expense. *shakes fist*
Not sure about the secret hats, but I have the JS with me and some hat links
12:07
@Manishearth Nice, I saw in the post from Anna I believe that you could also position them differently.
@rene yeah. I haven't yet gotten the position-moving UI to work, don't think I'll try, but currently I have the names and sprites of the hats.
 
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14:12
@Shog9 Is this really still status-deferred more than 4 years after the fact? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/3353/…
15:04
Oops, just downvoted an answer on MSO, flagged it (it has only the other option) with the comment "Not an answer", then I realized that this answer was already deleted..
On that question ban issue?
I was also flagging and downvoting on nothing :-)
The "why did you delete my answer thing"? or the answer before that (that I did not read) or the 3rd post?
10 sec to put a programming question on hold on MSO. New record?
How should I handle "closed w/o comment (auto)" flags?
It is correct that the question is closed, but. The close reason (should) explain everything. Not valid?
15:25
@JohannesKuhn The first answer was a rant that I just got chance to flag and downvote. The others where already closed, I guess because Oded was watching that question and answering it at the same time. I assume he was still on high alert when that question for SO came along.
15:42
Soo... we get hats at 00:00 UTC tomorrow?
Not for free...you have to show some effort, have tried yourself and tell us what did and what didn't work. And maybe as a reward you can collect one hat.
heh
I've always had a problem with the 'why it didn't work' part - if I knew why it didn't work, then I would fix it myself.
16:07
@Bart - if I were you, I'd stop feeding the troll.
Myeah, that was my last one for today.
Anna's comments shed some additional light on the situation.
But if anyone were to stumble upon that post, I'd prefer it to end with a positive note.
Fair enough - but there is no teaching those who refuse to listen or learn.
True.
16:50
Today's Listening:
Nice @ElfSlice
Everything I post is nice.
;]
No comment
thanks @animuson for locking that. it was getting out of hand, I should have just stopped commenting :P
17:44
yaaaaay winter bash tomorrow
17:58
T minus six hours seven minutes until HATS!
I'm starting to wonder if we're awesome or sad for getting so excited about hats.
Or perhaps we're just awesomely sad.
@Bart They're hats. How can you not be excited about hats?
Oh I'm excited @hichris123. I mean, HATS!!!
HATZZZZ OMG DEESE AR UHMAZIN LEIK HOW CEN YU NOT BEE XITED!!?? IF YU ARNT, DEN ITZ SED!!
LEIK EF YU CRI EVRI TEIM
Just putting it out here, countdown to HATS
I'm fearing @ColeJohnson is already wearing a hat, and it's on too tight.
18:06
@Bart ITZ A HET!!!
5 hours 52 minutes
5 hours 52 minutes, and 24 seconds
@hichris123 your clock is wrong
I posted that at the 0 second mark
@hichris123 someone should pin that :D
@ColeJohnson I think it's your clock that's wrong. My super fancy clock is so accurate.
@Doorknob HATS!
HATS HATS HATS HATS :D WANT HATS NAO
18:16
@Doorknob Am I wrong to think that Anderson serial downvoted you? I noticed you had been serial downvoted on meta, and then saw that question he posted earlier.. I know I shouldn't speculate, but it looks like its true.
@JoshC ya, almost positive it was him. doesn't matter though since the script will reverse it but meh
Nah, twas me. I hate doorknobs. A doorknob killed my parents when I was only a monocle.
@Bart It was only fair, one of your kind picked my lock :(
I don't know whether or not to flag that for being NSFW. :)
Actually.. there is edvidence.. look at a cached google page.. webcache.googleusercontent.com/… .. then look at the current vote cast..
18:21
That's a sneaky way to make educated guesses about voting.
indeed; maybe it should be "fixed" somehow
I see the same pattern of the serial downvotes as it was on my account on SO. They do couple of questions/answers and then they get bored...
Looks pretty accurate to me. 0 downvotes in the cache, and then 9 pop up today on questions.
I don't think you have to guess, look here
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Q: Why is serial down voting not sanctioned?

AndersonOn stack overflow some users abuse their (dubiously) attained reputation to "attack" people they hold a grudge against. One can easily see that you reply to someone and that person immediately goes on rampage, looking up previous post and down voting them. So, the consequence is that someone wit...

Yeah. Stack Overflow should stop allowing Google to crawl those pages that show vote counts.
(joking)
18:24
lol, just realized [edit] in my comment became a link :P
@dmckee Actually, I believe meta q-bans were removed, although I think suspensions still exist. edit never mind, the threshold was just lowered meta.stackoverflow.com/q/179093/180276Doorknob 7 mins ago
@Doorknob Magic link?
Yup, that's one of the fancy magic links.
yes, like Stack Overflow, Meta Stack Overflow, Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, etc. (yes, like [so], [meta], [codegolf.se], etc.)
I do like the magic links. Makes life so much easier.
18:25
Really? Completed and declined..
Yep. THe answer tells you why.
@JoshC see the answer for explanation :P
@hichris123 yes, some really useful ones (only work on comments though) are How to Ask -> How to Ask, [help] -> Help Center, and anchors (i.e. [help#some_topic])
oh nvm, [ask] does work in chat :P
@Doorknob Wow, that is really nice. I've just been using the Stack Overflow, Super User, Android Enthusiasts, and those ones.
status-completed
bow to my formatting abilities :P
Okay, how do you do that?
18:28
status-ill-never-tell-you
:P
[metatag:status-completed]
status-okay
no special formatting for those? :(
okay let's stop :P or go to the sandbox
19:00
5 hours till hats!
A room for hats?
@Doorknob Hats only lasts 60 minutes?
:'(
It should last forever.
( T_T)\(^-^ )
My new favorite Emoji
A cat petting a human
Ug, did you ever know how much of a pain SQL Server Express is?
@hichris123 according to the Doorknob's room, it's only an hour
@hichris123 why do you even use that piece of crap
19:33
I just looked, and saw that.
@ColeJohnson Data-Dump
I just spent 30 minutes trying to figure out why it was giving me an error.
Turns out it made the PATH variable too big. :(
the hat celebration only lasts an hour :P because there's a maximum time limit :P
@Doorknob an hour is the limit?
@ColeJohnson no, I guess I could extend it :P I'll do that
I can set events on my phone that could last a year
2014: 1Jan2014:0000-31Dec2014:2359
Then I'd have a reminder all year that it's 2014
Speaking of time, remember almost a year ago when we all died?
the max was one day
19:40
Because "Solve the deck" is too mainstream. http://t.co/soOm4ipd4Z
Undo in a card game, really?!
20:00
@ThiefMaster don't knock it till you try it
Hey, how do you use SO-Slow?
Nevermind.
Okay, I officially hate strongly dislike the data dumps.
21:07
I dread the day when we have to split Meta.SO from Meta.SE - how in the world are we going to do it?
Rally the troops to add the [stackoverflow] tag to everything that should go to M.SO, then move everything else to M.SE?
are we ever doing that?
also, you remind me that I need a winter avatar :D
Would be an option. But not now. Maybe later
Shog just said we will eventually.
It's happening.
21:09
No ETA right now, but it's happening.
It's going to be a mess.
Any plans with Area51?
Will us Metaheads get to keep our mSO rep?
@johann What's wrong with it now?
@hichris123 It's not gonna be too bad. The current plan is to turn MSO-as-it-is-now into MSE and give SO its own pristine child meta.
21:10
@JohannesKuhn Nothing tangible.
will we have our own mSE mods, or do we keep the SO mods?
"Given that we don't know what will happen with Area 51 a year from now" - sounds like there is already a "we can't keep it that way". — Johannes Kuhn Dec 12 at 11:44
Any migration plans for questions? Or everything on meta.SO stays on meta.SE?
@UndotheSnowman Unclear yet. Probably not SO mods, but we might appoint mods who aren't employees.
@hichris123 We can move anything that's worth moving. Most things in the [stackoverflow] tag aren't. :)
Why not all mods?
21:11
Just an idea - but it would be nice to have network mods have a little greyed out diamond or something beside their name.
It doesn't actually need that much moderation and SO mods have enough to do on SO.
@Johannes Because that would be chaos.
Or do you mean all network mods? Yeah, no. We definitely don't need 300+ diamonds on a meta site. :)
I am now officially Dooorknob of Snow. :P
although caching may mean it will take a while to update in chat.
300 mods on a meta site shudders at thought
21:13
A diamond is never just a status symbol. It carries certain responsibilities with it (not to mention access to private information), so we don't hand them out just for the hell of it.
@Doorknob I don't see how a doorknow has to do with snow, but that's my opinion.
@Anna Sure... But some kind of indication of a user being a mod elsewhere on the network would sure be nice on an M.SE (just my opinion)
@hichris123 :P I wanted to stay recognizable, so I rendered a few random white circles over my avatar in Paint.NET and change my username to Doorknob of Snow. :P
But still, I'd like to see with one look if a user is mod on any other site on [meta.SE]
@hichris123 The words of someone who has never tried to lick the frozen doorknob on an old shed in the middle of a Minnesota winter.
21:15
@Shog Too localized.
Maybe. I kind of like that idea (there a feature-req for it somewhere on MSO), but there's historically been a bunch of resistance to adding Yet Another Symbol.
@Shog9's traumatic childhood, everybody. ^^^
Heck, we could give mods an ASCII spear or something.
@Shog9 Never had that before, you're right. :)
I know. I'd just use 2 or 3 other symbols, and only on meta sites (Non-mod employees and mods on other sites on meta.SO or meta.SE later)
I get the resistance behind Yet Another Symbol (I've participated in it on the heck no side), but I would think that those on an M.SE site would get the meaning of a greyed out diamond (we already do that on the network flair, and A51, methinks)
21:18
^ I agree. Only on meta sounds good
@Undo What did you use to transfer the Data Dump into SQL?
Right. We already do that on Area51.
Cart before the horse, y'all. :)
@hichris I just used MySQL's built-in XML import thingy.
Just want to say HATS = Symbol. Before you all go hating on symbols.
21:19
heh
We could give network mods hats that don't melt after Christmas!
Modrater Cymbals
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Way to take up the whole page, guys.
No, @Shog, that's Community auto-flagging stuff.
21:21
I saw so in Portuguese launched 3 days ago.
Indeed it did
Well, launched into private beta
It's doing quite well so far
Well, quite well for a site with users that just mash their keyboards and create unintelligible nonsense :P
Which can only be deciphered by using a Google service.
I wonder if someone's saying the exact same thing in portuguese right now.
I only saw the numbers. Looks good. But because I can't speak Portuguese and I'm not in the private beta, I don't know the inside. (or: do they just ask translated random questions from SO?)
21:46
Hey people, I have a surprise for you.
@balpha HATS?!?!? :D (sorry really excited)
I wasn't going to do it, but WinterBash was pretty much done and I felt like it:
changeset:   4895:24edbb65d7c5
user:        balpha
date:        Sun Dec 15 14:15:54 2013 +0100
summary:     What the hell, let's have hats. After all, you can't spell "chat" without "hat".
YAAAAAY!
wait... so are there hats?
dang it must leave to play at piano recital... must check back immediately after coming back :P
Caching is a bit more aggressive for chat hats, so worst case it may be up to 10 minutes for a hat change to register. And it's only in the live chat room view.
But, there are chat hats this year
21:49
How do I get chat hats?
Chat hats?! :D :D :D
@UndotheSnowman it'll just be the hat you're wearing on the actual site
Oh... but...
where are the hats on the main site?
stomps impatiently
@UndotheSnowman T-2:09 :P
21:51
Grrr.
So no early hats.
oh yay, my name and avatar updated :P (refresh)
@UndotheSnowman if it's any consolation, I'm staying up for the hats myself (and that means 1am for me), even though I already know them all
Lol
I only have to stay up till about 5pm.
Hats arrive at 6 PM for me :-P
5pm?! That's brutal.
21:53
usually living close to UTC is helpful on SE, but not this time :\
7 PM for me (EST)
@balpha Is there any way to unlock hats early (you know, somehow spoof something or add some code here or there)?
Nope.
But you already earned one.
@hichris123 Of course Balpha could make them show up. But he won't.
They're working on teaching us patience.
@balpha The suspense...! :O
22:03
@balpha What, the beg on your hands and knees hat?
@UndotheSnowman You have two already. Well, eight to be precise; four of each.
^ Google's taking over.
@balpha So we can already start earning hats?
What about me @balpha? Ahhh you're killing us! :-P
You've always been earning hats. From the day you were born, our Hat Overlords have been grooming you to serve as their means of transportation. You just didn't know it...
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Sounds like a reasonable religion. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
22:08
Church of The Flying Hat Troll!
I already have a hat, I don't need another one.
That's what all hat addicts say. I can stop anytime I want to
What, is this Hat's Anonymous now?
@ThiefMaster All hail the Flying Hat Troll. Bask in his fedaura.
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22:24
Fun fact: The German word for "hat" is "Hut". When I was younger and didn't know English, I always thought "Pizza Hut" (which exists by its English name in Germany) has something to do with hats. And their logo didn't actually make it obvious that this was an absurd idea
seriously, if that isn't a hat, what is?
A hut, of course :P
An open red pizza box?
It's supposed to be their red roof.
They should call themselves Pizza Roof, then.
dammit. Should've had a pizza hat to earn. Maybe next year...
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Little Red Pizza Roof
Also, I now really want pizza.
And beer.
22:26
doesn't care for beer
@Shog9 I just need a design and the conditions to earn it, and I can still add hats :)
@rene Approve it, methinks (just my thought)
I managed to approve it after @AnnaLear :P
Undo reviewed this 15 secs ago: Approve

Anna Lear♦ reviewed this 15 secs ago: Approve
22:28
I don't know how that works...
We both approved it at about the same time, and the system hadn't yet closed the review.
@rene that "But if you do I will start a campain to bring this to people's attention" threat reminds me of something
"If you downvote this, it means you will never be Alpha. You will be beta forever." #shithnsays
Whoever downvotes this hates fun and should be banned. — ElfSlice Aug 27 at 15:55
I would suggest we lock that, but the user hasn't been seen since August of last year. We're probably safe from further edit wars.
I'm not bothered
22:32
He's probably still working on that "campaign"
@UndotheSnowman Nah. By your own argument, we're safe from edit wars.
deliciously retro
There should be an edit war-stopper hat. After two users A and B made X back-and-forth edits, user C made an edit, and both A and B stopped, without being suspended or the post being locked. C should get a hat. (I wonder if that ever happened?)
Mods would cheat.
22:40
We should have a hat for people who are able to write unachieveable and incomprehensible proposals for earning hats
A meta-hat.
GnomeSlice hat
awarded for getting banned from chat
=[
23:36
T-25 minutes!
Just in case you're trying to load winterba.sh over and over again -- that's not where it lives this year.
Venice, Italy.
@hichris123 yeah, that email was written before a bunch of questions were settled.
@DoorknobofSnow do you know if Programming Puzzles & Code Golf participates?
or does beta sites not participate?
Oh, does everything go live in the new build at midnight UTC?
23:45
@JohannesKuhn There are thirteen sites where hats are turned off by default, but you can opt in. Math Overflow has no hats at all. The rest of them have hats turned on by default (including codegolf.se)
@hichris123 no build necessary, it will just start
(here's hoping I didn't screw up the auto-start logic...)
@balpha If there's anything wrong, we're supposed to blame you, right?
I fear so, yes
If it doesn't start exactly at 0:00:00 (7:00:00 my time), you're going to hear from me.
23:52
Nooooooo! 17 mins to home
Noooooooooooo :-P
Can someone deal with this, out of flags: stackoverflow.com/a/20601136/2581872
"An event is starting in Hats" sounds ominous
Twas a dark and scary night, when Winterbash was set to begin.
I got that too
Gah I'm so angry I won't get home in time for the start
23:56
you got 4 min
I know
Not enough :-\
T-1 minute
Dun dun duuuuuun!
T-30 seconds
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