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The forest of Reinstate Monica

00:24

Hm, it seems like now my chat account (on other sites) is stuck at the half-broken split account.

Hm, unless they've been merged now and the issue is fixed?

The forest of Reinstate Monica

00:49

Hm, seems like they have been merged. Neato.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

01:19

> Power full native traditional doctor herbal medicine can fix broken marriages

hahaha

Someone's spintax is way too dirty.

Journeyman Geek

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The forest of Reinstate Monica

02:28

Why has XKCD turned into a comic about COVID?

Journeyman Geek

Beats me, Ask Randall.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

meh

I miss the days when he wasn't so political.

>drama in the chat stars

what i miss

Journeyman Geek

02:47

\o/

Storm in a teacup mostly

Meta Andrew T.

certainly missed the Happy Hour...

Journeyman Geek

Language!

The forest of Reinstate Monica

?

Journeyman Geek

Well - as a main room, and one I moderate - language like that isn't acceptable here.

John Dvorak

~~language!~~

The forest of Reinstate Monica

02:49

I didn't know that was a bad word. I know a** is. I thought butt was the nice way to say it.

Bum, maybe?

John Dvorak

it doesn't matter much, it does matter you attach it to hurt.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

wut

John Dvorak

Always Be Courteous

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Did the term get taken over by racists or something? I'm so out of the loop.

John Dvorak

O_o

Journeyman Geek

02:51

Someone was having trouble understanding the rules of the place, and there was a failure to communicate.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

03:22

Well, I asked a question on another SE site to try to find the answer.

But until then, @JourneymanGeek I'd appreciate it if you'd try to explain things like that to me before resorting to an insta-suspension.

Journeyman Geek

twas flagged

and well - if you're going to argue when asked nicely...

"Please don't do that" .... can stop right there

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I asked what made it offensive because I was genuinely curious (hence why I had to write a question on another site to get some information about it).

I didn't mean to sound argumentative.

@JourneymanGeek Well, if I hadn't asked, I would still be under the impression that the term you objected to was "butt" (which would have ended badly for me lol)

Journeyman Geek

Sure - but do you want to be the guy people waste time on explaining things fruitlessly? And if I'm using that term to explain what it is, in detail....

The forest of Reinstate Monica

@JourneymanGeek I read on English.SE that it does not refer to explicit acts.

(If that's what the issue was)

Journeyman Geek

@TheforestofReinstateMonica See - you're literally carrying on what we asked you not to do

The forest of Reinstate Monica

03:27

Ok

Journeyman Geek

I'm sure you're quite in the loop and know exactly what's wrong so lets drop it please.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I absolutely do not, but if you are going to suspend me for asking for clarification, then I will happily change the subject.

Journeyman Geek

Right. I think I didn't make myself clear enough.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

@JourneymanGeek I wish we could start off on a new foot. Is there anyway I can restore my reputation with you?

Since this (sort of thing) keeps happening. I know I often push buttons. I'm trying to stop (old habits die hard).

Journeyman Geek

Well - if you don't push buttons, there's no issue

The forest of Reinstate Monica

03:32

I'm trying not to but since I've done it before I feel like people are assuming it is what I'm doing. I'm not quite sure how to reverse that.

Journeyman Geek

I don't hold grudges - and I did give you lots of opportunities to step back

take it when its given.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I hope you can see it from my perspective.

Journeyman Geek

I'd have done exactly the same thing to anyone else in the same situation

Nothing personal. I ask humourously, I ask nicely, then I let you know I'm serious.

So - ball is entirely in your court.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I'd appreciate it if you'd be a little more blunt with me. Like if I'm saying something wrong, I'd be happy if you could say "please don't say X because it has connotations Y".

That would help me greatly. Or to allow me to ask you privately for clarification, for example.

Journeyman Geek

meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=q-bert

kinda is a useful starting point

If I need to explain why something is not welcome here, all the time, its a waste of everyone's time

The forest of Reinstate Monica

03:36

I've read that, but wiktionary and the like don't consider it a curse or swear. I've never even thought of it that way. I didn't know that you (or anyone) did.

Journeyman Geek

Right...

See, I explicitly asked you to drop it at least twice.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

OK, sorry.

Journeyman Geek

12 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

"Please don't do that" .... can stop right there

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I haven't used any curses since then. I won't push it, sorry.

Journeyman Geek

45 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

Someone was having trouble understanding the rules of the place, and there was a failure to communicate.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

03:37

?

Journeyman Geek

While this was someone else, try not to be this person.

Lets consider the topic closed, and move on.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

A failure to communicate is made worse it's impossible to ask for information.

ok, let's

So, new topic then?

@JourneymanGeek Can I PM you?

Journeyman Geek

No

The forest of Reinstate Monica

ok...

/me turns on ignore so as not to keep getting baited

Gah, I miss the /me action.

It would be pretty simple to implement on SE's chat code, right?

(Something akin to the IRC /action command)

Journeyman Geek

04:06

@TheforestofReinstateMonica not a 'proper' answer but if its on MSE or SU I can probably help you find your old ava...

Baba Yaga

06:12

@JourneymanGeek thanks mate

The forest of Reinstate Monica

@JourneymanGeek It was on MSE.

Journeyman Geek

i.sstatic.net/Bsdo5.jpg i.sstatic.net/mVwQm.jpg?s=128&g=1 there you go

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Yup it's the one with the æ.

Hasn't propagated to chat yet.

Journeyman Geek

Want me to kick it?

The forest of Reinstate Monica

hold on

Hm, rejoining doesn't do anything. Sure.

Journeyman Geek

06:23

done

forest

test

Shows up in 1 of 3 places. Now it's probably just a browser cache issue.

There.

I got my æ-tan back and generalized my name more (since I figure the Monica situation on its own isn't as relevant anymore). Thanks.

I hate how comment pings don't update when names change.

Surely the system knows that it's referring to a name, given that it can auto-complete.

Also, on an unrelated note, I saw your post (from a year ago):

6

A: How long should SE store IP addresses of users?

I've thought about this for a while - and perhaps its worth reframing the question in terms of what sort of information we need, and how this information is best stored, and shared in a way that meets both privacy, and the operational requirements of both mods and the folks who run the site. TLDR...

I ran a website where I implemented this for moderators.

So I know how it can be done effectively and the upsides and downsides.

(tl;dr is use 32-bit block cipher or equivalent with secret key stored by the server, if I recall)

Well, 32-bit for IPv4, at least. My site didn't support IPv6.

Journeyman Geek

06:51

@forest kinda sorta - IPV6 is completely useless for tracking purposes by eye IMO

(or you could be like me, and the only POP I could get IPs from hurricane electric is in HK)

also, very much that (what little) PII we have is mostly useful for handling the low hanging fruit of trolls and spammers

and a few tools either don't exist or arn't used effectively

forest

Sure but many users still don't like their IP being tracked.

Journeyman Geek

\o/

forest

I'm one of the few who doesn't mind using Tor, but most people can't stand slow internet.

Journeyman Geek

@forest SE vaguely has an alternative (geo ipish stuff) that... dosen't work that well

What 'we' really need is to know if 2 users share an identical IP or one close enough. And sometimes one user is deleted.

Even then

the first 'tell' is someone being 'off'

forest

"Off"?

Journeyman Geek

07:00

lol

Its hard to describe

Lets ignore spammers for the moment

But people often have distinctive topics of interest, spelling or grammar patterns or other tells

forest

Oh, stylometry.

Journeyman Geek

We're not going to poke around someone's IP or email address without that

forest

Which is good.

Journeyman Geek

Its also all logged

though so far I don't think any mod's abused those abilities

forest

Though I tend to doubt that the limited level of interaction most trolls have with SE would make stylometry particularly effective, except for cases with the most extreme idiosyncratic tells.

Journeyman Geek

07:05

@forest Most of our trolls are persistant

forest

Well this would probably be a bad time for me to bring up that major online dictionaries don't mark words you think are offensive as offensive. :^)

/me ducks for cover

Journeyman Geek

Yes it would.

forest

lol yeah I had that coming, but so did you. lrn2english :D

@JourneymanGeek Actually I wonder. Do you consider me a troll, or just a button pusher?

Journeyman Geek

Is there a difference?

You're pretty much trying to get attention in both cases

forest

Attention? On a small chat with half a dozen active people?

Nah that's not the heart of the troll.

(Actually here about 80% of things I get suspended for aren't trolling and are mostly your misunderstandings of English. And 20% are me pushing buttons.)

Or maybe 70%/30%.

rene

07:16

30/70

forest

Depends on if I'm high or not. Then it's 10%/90%.

Journeyman Geek

I think rene is right there ;)

forest

I guess if you factor in being high it would get there.

But when I'm not, it's definitely 70/30.

Journeyman Geek

@forest Well - If you're constantly being misunderstood... or misunderstanding...

maybe its you

forest

Nah. I'm not the one who thinks that the word "hypocrite" is synonymous with the word "lying". Remember the time you kicked me because you misunderstood those terms?

That was... like 2 years ago? Something like that. But I remember some of it.

@JourneymanGeek m8 you never saw the old me

Back when I was younger and had so much more time on my hands. Back then everything was me.

(beleted so they don't actually find me lel)

(Which reminds me. If anyone comes in here calling me by a name that starts with an "e" and claims they're my mother, just ignore them. If you engage they will start spamming gore for months.)

Woah that was weird. My whole browser reloaded.

Journeyman Geek

07:26

Right. That very much sounds like a threat.

And no idea why your browser reloaded...

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