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Rob
1:05 AM
Weird, ~260 users with "spam" in their user name: freelancing.stackexchange.com/…
 
@Rob Not sure about Freelancing.SE, but I know that on CGCC.SE, our mods sometimes edit known spam accounts to include "spam" in either the username or the "About Me", as some form of reminder/indicator
 
Rob
I guess they don't come back and change it.
@cairdcoinheringaahing Only half as often: codegolf.stackexchange.com/…
@Rob I might stand corrected:
Can O' Spam, England, UK
101 2
 
@Rob We did go on a bit of a nuke-fest kinda recently:
 
Rob
1:22 AM
Been busy!
 
1:46 AM
when a bug report turns out to be according to a comment is not limited to SE but the browser, and the post has been answered, what is the correct thing to do? flag it for deletion and just leave it as is?
or just*
 
2:44 AM
@ymb1 If it affects SE then it's potentially useful to leave up but it's probably going to be situational.
 
@RyanM thanks, for the time being I replaced [bug] w/ [support] and added a note
 
@ymb1 answered by who
 
3:00 AM
@JourneymanGeek a user confirming the issue: link
 
Leave it be
its a supported browser
 
copy that
 
 
 
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@Feeds Building onebox but for any post IRL ....
 
 
2 hours later…
6:55 AM
@Rob I finally found a decent toilet room.
 
Rob
What if a blind and deaf person comes along while you are using it?
 
@JourneymanGeek yup
@Rob they'll both fall on you. Hopefully the soft parts will save everyone from serious injury.
@Luuklag reasoning for what? Followed up the convo a bit but was lost at some point. TL;DR?
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Google images can't find that image, but the design is the same as: House of Ahi’el toilet - timesofisrael.com/…
Also, it looks like there is graffiti on the wall.
 
@Rob nice find! The one today is even older, 2700 years old toilets. It's in a new article posted today, so still not indexed by Google.
@Rob well, without phones, people had to do something to pass the time while sitting. :D
 
7:17 AM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 what the reasoning is behind nuking network wide spammers, rather then keeping their accounts as known spammers
 
@Luuklag there's no real way to do the latter
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 People still write graffiti, even after phones: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Quotes/BathroomStallGraffiti
 
@JourneymanGeek smokey is
 
Smokey does well were it does
but its still an unofficial tool with good, but not universal visibility
If we could annotate cross network + have obvious flags for mods to review, it would be good
 
@JourneymanGeek in the past site mods used to merge spammers into one account.
 
7:24 AM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Mergers in general give me gas discomfort
its destructive
 
@Rob only poetic people.
 
and there was the time someone and his wife got merged.... which was apparently a bit of a bother to fix
 
@JourneymanGeek more than account deletion?
 
@Luuklag well, it stops them from spamming? ;)
@JourneymanGeek how so? Neither can be reversed/undone.
 
7:26 AM
@Luuklag Alternatives - long suspensions, but dosen't fix profile spam... or deadly death
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 "what used to belong to user X" vs "splitting out user X and Y"
 
@JourneymanGeek well suspension does have advantage that trying to create new account will be blocked, but doubt spammers really doing it.
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 some do
so lots of mods suspend then nuke
 
anyone else seeing the offline message?
 
@Luuklag same here.
 
7:37 AM
Hope they didn't F up, like facebook did
 
sometimes, reloading works
 
@Glorfindel yeah it's a bit spotty
Did anyone already see a post-mortem from the facebook saga?
 
@Luuklag There was kind of one from cloudflare
 
7:55 AM
6 minutes. Not bad, but not matter of seconds either.
 
Rob
8:10 AM
Probably because you're asleep at the switch, for the easy ones.
 
8:25 AM
@Luuklag not a good one
Quite milqtoast
 
Best news I heard today, Adele is coming back! :D
 
9:05 AM
@JourneymanGeek yeah really much info there...
 
9:19 AM
pffft having a new phone from work really sucks
 
9:44 AM
@Luuklag ?
 
There is only a gmail and an outlook app for mail
Our mail server uses Exchange, but there is also a 365 account linked
So I can't use the outlook app, and if I use the gmail app I also get the mail from the gmail adress that is used for my playstore
 
Not sure I understand lol, but sounds like you got a phone from work and can't use it to check work emails?
@JourneymanGeek IMO it's one big lie. Hackers brought Facebook down, and in 6-8 months/years someone will find out how much information they stole during this. Facebook is obviously not stupid enough to admit such a thing, and the hackers do it for money, not fame, so no reason for them to publish it either. Again, my opinion only!
 
10:04 AM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 yeah its troublesome
 
10:46 AM
@Luuklag so you have two phones, personal and work?
huh
 
11:27 AM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 yup, At some point I even had 3, 2 from work, and 1 personal
 
Rob
Seems clear.
 
 
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1:01 PM
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 One was for a project, that had to be answered 24/7, so instead of putting a second sim in something I opted to carry a second (very old) phone, that could only do calling and texting.
 
1:15 PM
@Luuklag and? Got calls at 3 am?
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Facebook down as result of DNS configuration error: thousandeyes.com/blog/facebook-outage-analysis
 
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 nope, I think around 06:00 was the earliest
 
@Rob not relevant; it's an external analysis of the outage, they have no way to know what really happened i.e. the source for what they saw.
 
I'm working on the wording for the single site close reason - would appreciate your feedback - thanks to those of you who put in work on this so far.
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I can also guess why SE is down sometimes; It's just a guess.
Someone from within can tell the real reason; We can believe them, or not.
With Facebook, I'll never believe them, sadly.
@Luuklag nice, so it saved you using alarm clock. ;)
And you're lucky it wasn't smartphone with video calls.... :D
My daughter has habit of answering video calls at home, without checking the status of her parents. :/
 
1:33 PM
hmm
 
Rob
@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 They say the same thing - chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9029783#9029783
 
@Catija Not much to say except it looks good - and working with/linking with the help pages rather than (very mutable) Q&A is a good idea
@Rob BGP allegedly, with messed up DNS
 
@Rob no idea how it's relevant but... OK?
 
:)
 
Rob
Seems clear.
 
1:37 PM
@JourneymanGeek Black Garden Pandora? ;)
 
Border Gateway Protocol
So mostly witchcraft
 
@Catija The changes you made to that help center article are great, and it pretty sufficiently describes what's on-topic and not. Thanks for proposing those changes, they look good to me! (cc @SonictheAnonymousHedgehog as I'd appreciate your input as well, given that the wording is adapted from yours)
 
Rob
@Catija In reference to grouping multiple sites as a single site, then closing for the 'single site reason', there is this example: meta.stackexchange.com/q/360523/282094 and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/359630/… - there are a very small number of exceptions, which the suggested usage text omits. --- The "Privileged User Guidance" is certainly clearer about this, but could be improved.
How, without making it too wordy, I dunno - but we discussed this a month or so ago here in The Tavern.
 
1:54 PM
You mean the help center article?
Both of those specific examples are about dark mode and I do think there's a plan eventually to make it network-wide, so I don't necessarily want to special case that.
 
Rob
Me?, both of us are replying to your comment: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9030995#9030995
 
@Rob OK. But there's no possible way that I can include that level of detail - that's why the help center article is linked.
 
Rob
That is just an example of it being possible that there is such thing as a special case - not a request to make that a special case.
4 mins ago, by Rob
How, without making it too wordy, I dunno - but we discussed this a month or so ago here in The Tavern.
Incorporate some of the PUG into the standard guidance?
Back in 20 min.
 
It's not really about "too wordy" - there's a character limit. This sort of guidance just doesn't cover everything. You can't expect it to. That's why the help center exists.
 
2:17 PM
PUG?
Well generally its just a quick headsup to let a user know why its closed
if you need detail,comments
 
Privileged user guidance?
 
@JourneymanGeek hehe, now you're on the other side of BBA!
Baffled By Acronyms (duh)
 
Pug to me is a small smushy dog that looks funny
 
Most of the acronyms you're using are usually dog names for me too. :D
@Rob back from where?
 
2:23 PM
@JourneymanGeek one that sounds like a pig
 
oink?
hmm.... OINK can be "@Ollie Is Not Kenny"
 
pokes @Shadow with the boomstick
 
enjoying the poke
 
2:26 PM
looking surprised
 
things get awkward here really quickly
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@Luuklag That's Shadow's fault.
sdc blame
 
@Ollie It's John Dvorak's fault.
 
things getting awkward really quickly
 
🚽
 
Rob
2:33 PM
@Catija Understood, just that the reasons shouldn't be (seem to be) absolute, otherwise there'll be one group of reviewers voting "Leave Open, multi-site" and another set of users voting "Close - single-site" (when there's clearly more than "one" site) - the "Review History" will read alternating Open and Close, and after several votes it will be (partially) resolved, with a lingering "Close(2)" message under the question, encouraging another round (and no "Don't Close" link). ---
Leading to an argument in the comments, and possibly a ReOpen.
A second example (of multiple sites, yet better on MSO): Here are several example questions that apply to "multiple sites", yet should not be asked on MSE; they are correctly asked (only?) on MSO (and possibly each individual language Stack Overflow site too): meta.stackoverflow.com/q/408514/3648282 meta.stackoverflow.com/q/374394/3648282 (meta Meta!): meta.stackoverflow.com/q/364820/3648282 etc.
^ All of that was discussed here approximately a month ago.
The rare instances are time consuming to find, but they exist.
 
@Rob Perhaps the usage guidance on the could be expanded to cover that questions regarding that topic are off-topic here on MSE. I don't think we should go into exceptions on the help centre.
 
 
3 hours later…
5:37 PM
@Catija Thanks for the help center update. It'd be nice if you updated my request asking for that update. (It's not fully complete yet because it also asks for a sidebar update.)
One thing that can be improved about it is that it doesn't really explain what a "child meta" is and how to get there - many people ask their site-specific meta question here because they arrived here from Google after searching for their meta issue or "meta".
 
 
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11:20 PM
Oo
 

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