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12:59 AM
Oh, wait...
@SonictheMaskedWerehog I don't see how adding this feature would resolve the issue you've linked. There's an SE-internal route which allows flags to be retracted. That's available if you have the browser cookies and fkey. This is a request to permit applications/scripts with a SE API Write Token to be able to retract flags, just like they can raise flags. The issue you've linked to is mostly a UI issue, which isn't impacted by this issue. — Makyen 54 mins ago
@ArtOfCode Now it makes sense.
 
 
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Rob
2:18 AM
@Ollie You've made an avatar that is the pupil of Sauron. This is because of the dimensions.
 
 
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4:57 AM
!!/watch-number 2347066504800
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad phone number in answer and Bad phone number in body; append -force if you really want to do that.
 
@JNat I need some of that black magic razzle dazzle on this black magic cross site spammer stackexchange.com/users/19202003/mahrimabrotherhood
 
5:55 AM
So, my Windows (finally?) force-installed the new Edge, turns out it imports all Chrome settings, including recent tabs and it even auto-login....
 
6:13 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Is that a good or bad thing?
 
As someone who prefers the classic Edge, it's a bad thing for me.
 
As someone who prefers Firefox ... all of this has bypassed me ...
 
@DavidPostill bad! While I did agree to import settings, I never agreed to give Edge permission to actually log in to my Chrome/Google account. I think? It's probably written somewhere, with 1px font size.
Not that I really care for my privacy, it's just.... typical Microsoft behavior.
Plus, the forced install, but that's not new.
(which of course caused the computer to crash, lol.)
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Well Auto Login is a setting ...
 
6:35 AM
@DavidPostill in Chrome, sure. But didn't expect it to do it on a different browser...
 
> I did agree to import settings
 
@DavidPostill oh, well, for me settings are recent tabs, maybe history, etc...
Also, not sure how it's even technically possible? How can Microsoft get from Google my account details in such a level it can log in?
Anyway, no big deal, not going to use Edge, just wanted to see how it looks like.
 
Your account settings (username and password) are stored locally - they must be if you can auto login in the old Chrome
 
7:15 AM
@DavidPostill yeah, true. Guess I expected Google to give some alert before just handing over those credentials. But as you said, the whole Auto Login is something done on purpose and can be turned off, so those who use it, should expect exactly those things, I guess. :)
How to wake up everyone?
!!/coffee All
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Latte for @All
 
or...
sdc tea Oll
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of jasmine tea for @Oll
 
Huh? @Ollie? You look.... different....
@Ollie for one week, it's a server side cache.
 
8:03 AM
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Rob
@ShadowWizardWearingMask With Android if I update Chrome or Firefox and I'm logged in to Google or SE then after the update / upgrade I'm still logged in - If you were not logged in before and then logged in after an update, that would be different / unexpected. --- Much as you could close your browser and any other running programs, reboot, and come back here; still logged in.
 
@Rob still, it's all done inside Chrome. When I installed, for example, SE app, I chose to log in with Google, and Google gave me the familiar login dialog.
 
Rob
8:33 AM
SE APP barfed (or never had) cookies; or (as generally agreed) it's either broken or doesn't work the way browsers do. I can close FF, clear memory and run cleaning programs, reboot, and still be logged in here; even after an OS upgrade. --- If you either logged out of SE or Google and closed your browser upon restarting and coming back to the Tab you'd still be logged out.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask it doesn't. It did take your cookies and in general, cookies are long lived on SE, 6 months or so, last time I checked and slide once you fetch a page.
 
Rob
8:51 AM
Another few APPs that keep me logged in are my Cell Carrier's APP (to check my phone bill, etc.), my phone manufacturer's Cloud Drive (to save settings, photos, etc.), YouTube (login controlled by being logged in (or not) to Google), TV station's APPs, Video / Photo Camera / Video Recorder and Editors (that include an upload / sharing feature), and Pay APPs with Subscription updates (such as AntiVirus; you can't log in or out, if you have paid you're connected if not you get a 'Nag Popup'.
 
9:05 AM
@rene well, it logged in to my gmail. :/
 
Rob
It's probably explained in this Kindle eBook:
If not, try here:
 
I have a mild feeling that the title is a bit hyperbolic
What does the snake symbolize?
 
Rob
Maybe Toto knows:
 
9:22 AM
@Rob 42
 
Rob
Possibly ☤
 
@JohnDvorak And why is it doing a staring contest with a bird.
 
I think it's ... sucking the bird into its mouth??? I'm sure it's physically impossible.
 
Rob
Not to be confused with ⚕, which judging from the accompanying bird on the cover they appear to have done so.
 
Maybe it's being attacked by the bird.
 
9:29 AM
Explaining everything apparently involves snakes. Both authors agree on that.
 
Rob
Maybe the book was written for @Sha, the first book has not a snake butt a hexacoil (2x triple coils).
 
I remember the last time when a snake "tried helping" people with morality. Talked them into an open rebellion that caused billions of deaths.
 
@JohnDvorak meh
So, the tree was put there, and free will was always an option
maybe the snake wasn't at fault
could have put that tree off the side of a cliff, in the middle of a lava moat
but noooooo
 
"Free will" didn't mean they were allowed to do anything at all.
 
"LOOK! TASTY FRUIT! NO EATIE!"
Its like someone never had kids
 
9:36 AM
Think of it more like an office fridge
 
there's literally no one else there
So who was the fruit for?
WHO WAS THE FRUIT FOR?
 
God, who walked through that garden too? :P
 
God, ofc
 
was it some sick test of blind obedience?
"All this is yours. Except that thing"
 
It was a reminder that there's still someone they answer to
 
9:38 AM
@JourneymanGeek Man was created to God's image, you can't give a man free will but no choices!
 
@Tinkeringbell and the one choice was.... not good.
 
And it would have done that purpose if they weren't talked into disobedience.
 
@JohnDvorak and who put the snake there...?
 
@JourneymanGeek Well, life would've been boring with only good choices.
Again, if you can't make bad choices there's not really much of a choice after all.
 
@JohnDvorak hmm? When did that happen?
 
9:39 AM
@Tinkeringbell but the concequences were a bit drastic
/me thinks the snake was in on it.
 
The snake's purpose (or rather of the angel who puppeteered the snake) was to help the people. That the angel decided to do otherwise was his own idea.
 
Stupid insufferable omnipotent know it all
 
@JourneymanGeek It's not like... God is known for the lesser drastic consequences.
 
@Tinkeringbell like flooding the world?
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask 6000 years ago, give or take
 
9:40 AM
bit drastic...
 
@JourneymanGeek We did get rainbows as an "I'm sorry"
 
maybe destroying an entire city
@Tinkeringbell clearly this is a toxic relationship and there is gaslighting going on
2
 
Made a nice tourist spot :D
 
@JohnDvorak Billions of deaths?? There were only two human beings back then, and none of them was killed.
 
@JourneymanGeek XD I know, I left it ;)
 
9:41 AM
They were just kicked out of the cozy parents home for misbehaving, and went out to the real world.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask They lost the ability to live forever, and everyone else inherited that loss.
 
Rob
Apparently we gained some skills in the past couple of hundred years, for the first 200,000 the population was under one billion:
In demographics, the world population is the total number of humans currently living, and was estimated to have reached 7,800,000,000 people as of March 2020. It took over 200,000 years of human history for the world's population to reach 1 billion, and only 200 years more to reach 7 billion.The world population has experienced continuous growth following the Great Famine of 1315–1317 and the end of the Black Death in 1350, when it was near 370 million. The highest global population growth rates, with increases of over 1.8% per year, occurred between 1955 and 1975—peaking to 2.1% between 1965...
 
hmm, boring eternal life vs....
 
@JohnDvorak if it didn't happen, there would never be billions, or even millions, to begin with.
 
Surely Adam and Eve would have reproduced even without the rebellion
 
9:43 AM
I guess God would have just kept those two, and not even letting them know they can have children.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask technically if they could reproduce and no one could die...
we could build a giant tower of bodies, hope it dosen't go critical and go out. INTO SPACE!
 
@JourneymanGeek Someone would get depressed and eat the tree.
 
Adam and Eve have been asked to reproduce. They just didn't ... soon enough
 
@Tinkeringbell hmm, the a red panda does it...
and then gets forgiven for being SO GOSHDARNED CUTE
 
@JourneymanGeek they couldn't die of old age, or maybe also illness, but pretty sure lack of air would still kill even them. :D
 
9:44 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask pfft
 
Rob
One was turned the wrong way around, and it was unsuccessful.
 
@JourneymanGeek Or the whole eco-system gets destroyed because now red pandas are all banned from the garden!
 
@JourneymanGeek Babylonians tried that with bricks. God didn't like the idea.
 
@Tinkeringbell point
 
@JohnDvorak they have? Forgot that.... is it written explicitly in the Bible?
@JohnDvorak think he was referring exactly to that, lol
 
9:46 AM
@JourneymanGeek If you're truly all-powerful, you're above time. So the outcome was inevitable.
 
@JourneymanGeek I like this. I used to have silly conversations like this with my brothers (and occasionally mom would chime in) but dad would always shut them down.
 
@Mast exactly
So it was clearly planned all along
 
@Mast time just mess things up. Everywhere. ;)
 
or said being was not actually properly omnipotent
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Gen 1:28
 
9:47 AM
@Tinkeringbell opposite in my case. lol
 
> God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask You're the dad shutting things down? XD
 
@JohnDvorak Old Bible?
@Tinkeringbell that's not opposite. ;)
 
What do you mean, old?
 
@JohnDvorak And now we have 7 billion people on this planet.
 
9:47 AM
(actually there's a few philosophical/religious offshoots that follow that school of thought)
 
Why's there no limiter...
 
(also I'm a hindu, who spent a decade in a christian school. Our creator god is... a mess up)
 
@JohnDvorak Hebrew Bible
Never sure how it's really called in English
 
Old Testament
 
Ah, yes.
 
9:48 AM
@Mast maybe there is
culture and well, pandemics
 
Rob
 
I do prefer "Hebrew scriptures"
 
The one book that started all the one-god-religions. I think?
 
Rob
Now look at us!
 
@JourneymanGeek Flooding was easier.
 
9:50 AM
@Mast and dramatic.
Personally nothing wrong with a great big sky rock
 
Not sure all monotheistic religions are Abrahamic, but all Abrahamic religions do refer to the Hebrew Scriptures
 
@JohnDvorak but without knowing what's right and what's wrong it's hard to rule.
 
@JourneymanGeek I recall one of the Rabbis I follow on Twitter posting something about how Sh'mot (Exodus) is the story of both God and the nation learning how to work together, but I can't find it now
 
All they could do was to follow God commands without questioning them, that's not ruling.
 
Most non-Abrahamic religions are polytheistic I think, excluding those written by absolute nutters.
 
9:51 AM
They had the world's best advisor for that purpose though
 
@Mithical don't take me too seriously
this is a bit like me telling people the british empire dosen't exist
 
well, technically...
 
@JourneymanGeek Does the Queen know yet?
 
@JohnDvorak advisor that punish for not listening to him...
 
@Mast more precisely
it never existed
 
9:53 AM
Because they never had an emperor?
 
So - there was a german empire, and it is the best correlation here
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask everyone would spank you if you specifically ate out the one food box that was labeled by you.
 
they were "kaiser and konig" or Emperor (of Germany) and King (of prussia)
So its the german, not the prussian empire
 
@JohnDvorak ?
Lost me here...
 
And if they used "this guy gave me the idea" as their first and only excuse you would certainly get mad.
 
9:54 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Office fridge.
 
Now, the british empire was "The Queen/King of the United Kingdom and Empress/Emperor of India"
 
The one tree didn't even have better quality food than the trees around it. Its only distinguishing feature was that God asked people to keep it for Him.
 
(of course the legitimacy of the mugal empire, who the british deposed and whose imperial stylings they adopted is a whole noter story...)
So, it was the Indian empire, and the british empire clearly is a fiction
 
@Mast got that, but why would anyone be angry if I ate my own food?
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask this one box of food was reserved for the boss
 
9:58 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask They get angry if you eat food that's labelled for anyone but you.
 
@Mast "that was labeled by you" - what do I miss? puzzled
 
If you boss puts in a fridge, tells you to eat anything but from the bottom tray and you do eat from the bottom tray, you got a problem.
 
@Mast that's true.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask "you" meant the boss here.
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask That's not what my message says.
 
9:59 AM
@Mast sure, that's what the original message by @John says, which I didn't understand.
 
sigh
 
I understand now. I think. :)
!!/coffee Mast for helping
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Espresso for @Mast
 
Thanks.
 
10:01 AM
I think we had a bit of a language barrier.
 
Rob
10:11 AM
Still do, it started here - to which @Sha replied:
17 mins ago, by John Dvorak
@ShadowWizardWearingMask everyone would spank you if you specifically ate out the one food box that was labeled by you.
Presumably the food box labeled by you would have your own name on it, not someone else.
Just put your lunch in these new ziplock bags:
 
People would feel absolutely free to dump that in the trash over here.
 
Rob
Cough on the outside.
 
What happens if the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was simply idley yeeted.
 
Hmm.
some trash panda will find it?
Bacteria or moulds would be blamed with eating it?
 
10:18 AM
but does eating it without knowing what it was, or from that tree still count?
 
bet it would've
 
Rob
Kinda like if there's a dent in your car it's OK to call a tow truck, and have it turned into a cube and shredded.
 
So somebody takes your food box, throws it out, and defends "I didn't eat it". What would you do?
 
@JohnDvorak I donno. Was he eating that, or letting it go mouldy?
What about fruit that dropped?
I would postulate the rules were poorly thought out
 
Rob
and the 20 minute rule ...
 
10:20 AM
.....
 
An apple doesn't fall far from its tree.
 
@Rob .... its somewhat shorter than that...
 
I do suppose they'd be given a pardon if there was an actual mix-up.
 
Rob
;
 
what if daid snake carefully smuggled said fruit somewhere else?
and started a black market fruitery?
 
10:22 AM
Back then there weren't quite as many bacteria and the human immunity system was far better, too. 20 minutes might have been fine.
This got me thinking - I always thought that the reason human lifespans dropped tenfold at the moment of the Flood was because the reduced cloud cover suddenly letting more UV radiation through or some similar effect, but maybe the sudden influx of dead animals at the bottom of the ocean let bacteria and viruses make their own jump to land?
 
Rob
@JohnDvorak they can, in South Tyrol:
 
6
Q: Why did human lifespans drop after the Flood?

A. A.In Genesis 5, a brief account of the lives of Adam's descendants is narrated. All of them had long lives, for instance, Adam lived 930 years, Seth lived 912 years, etc. But in Genesis 6:3, God seems to shorten the lifespan of man to 120 years or at least that's what I understood reading that ver...

 
Rob
 
I don't suppose mountains were as tall back then - and back there.
 
That's one angry looking range.
 
10:30 AM
As always, I had a weird dream... :/
 
@Mast great link, thanks. I like the bottleneck explanation.
 
Rob
A famous mountain is barely a molehill.
 
good enough as a makeshift port though :P
... not where it did park though. "Not to be confused with Mount Ararat."
And for Mount Ararat: "Not to be confused with Mount Arayat."
 
If the draft of the ship is deep enough, it will get stopped by a speed bump.
And the Ararat is a whole lot higher than a speed bump.
 
"Make your ship artificially deeper with this one simple trick that the coral reef corals don't want you to know"
 
10:38 AM
I'm surprised the Ark didn't turn into a submarine with the amount of animals on it.
But it's hard to say how many that were really, in part because we don't know when the dinosaurs went extinct according to Biblical history.
 
@Mast "Oh, that was today?" -dinos
 
Haha
 
@Mast dinosaurs in our myth was "uh...so... I KINDA MESSED UP! HELP!"
 
Rob
@JohnDvorak A few of them are mighty puny, for a mountain: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Nebo
I guess Moses was the only one who liked long walks.
 
11:05 AM
@Rob I read somewhere a big part of those 40 years were actually spent camping, not walking... and I don't know why that came as such a surprise to me XD
 
11:39 AM
@Tinkeringbell even if not theirs?? How rude. ;)
@Rob that one I still don't understand, but do understand what came next, so doesn't really matter. :)
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask they got yeeted outta the garden?
 
12:12 PM
@JohnDvorak if your going to say Hebrew: it's "replenish the Earth" not "fill" and there are many theories postulated during readings that their were children born in the garden
Or else a single couple with no kids was "full" when you only have one garden (which if you consider it is being kicked out of Dad's house to start in the real world....that makes sense)
 
@JourneymanGeek meant what came next here in the chat. ;) lol
@LinkBerest can you please post the Hebrew source?
 
12:27 PM
Genesis 3:20 pinpoints Eve as the mother of all humans, though translations can't quite agree on future vs. present tense.
 
12:47 PM
Where does the idea that Adam and Eve had children before Cain come from?
... and why weren't they mentioned?
 
1:04 PM
@JohnDvorak There's claims they had kids before, claims they put kids after. I think they're mentioned in other scrolls.
 
as in, non-canon sources?
 
Non-canon, but some even completely unrelated.
A lot of what we think to know about Nephilim isn't exactly from Genesis either.
 
Gen 4:1 suggests strongly that Cain was first-born.
 
Some say women weren't counted in that list because of how families worked back then.
I'm not saying there's any sense in that or not, but there's so many arguments.
 
It's true that Genesis doesn't mention all of Adam's children. Still, Gen 4 makes the most sense if there were no sons before Cain ... or actually before Seth.
> Gen 6:4 The Nephʹi·lim* were on the earth in those days and afterward. During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame.
This suggests that Nephilim were hybrids between angels and humans.
 
1:43 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask thanks for the jasmine tea.
But it went cold.
I was asleep.
sdc coffee ShadowWizardWearingMask
 
@Ollie brews a cup of Ristretto for @ShadowWizardWearingMask
 
@SmokeDetector could you put the teacup in the sink?
 
@Ollie Lazy.
@Ollie *grumble grumble not your maid*
 
...welp
 
:thonk:
 
1:47 PM
great minds and all that
 
@SmokeDetector I'm always putting your cups in the sink.
 
Sez who?
 
@SmokeDetector me.
 
*stares*
 
@SmokeDetector holds a smoking log underneath SmokeDetector
 
1:50 PM
BEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEP
5
 
Laughing
@SmokeDetector burns the toast. Again.
 
1 Ollie moved to Trashcan
2
 
@SmokeDetector takes away your batteries
 
BEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEBEEP
 
Puny batteries.
 
1:54 PM
@SmokeDetector did you put me in the trash bin?
 
@SmokeDetector I am offended!
@ShadowWizardWearingMask did you star that? :D
@SmokeDetector puts in wrong size batteries. Backs away quickly.
 
*tick... tick... tick.... tick...*
Haven't we already established that I don't need batteries?
and that I have a split personality, but that's beside the point
 
@SmokeDetector you have a dodgy personality.
@SmokeDetector tick...tick...tick...and what comes after tick?
 
Lyme disease
2
 
1:58 PM
@SmokeDetector Laughing.
 
@Ollie and? Iced Tea is also yummy.
:D
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Ahhhh.
Corona joke:
 
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