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djsmiley2k in darkness

13:00

I think they maybe mean code artifacts - i.e. samples?

this is the problem with the survey, different people apply different meanings to the same options.

Gimby

Ah, questions and answers. Duh.

It's Over

I think people said things and these are category labels

So not what people said, but what SOI said people said

Shadow9

@It'sOver yup, more likely

djsmiley2k in darkness

;)

that'd involve manpower to apply the labels.

Shadow9

"I'm not satisfied with the quality of questions" ----> thrown into that category

It's Over

13:02

If so, then what is surprising about this graph?

People always have things to rant about, and I guess even asking them to specifically rant itself skews things a bit, but I'm no expert.

djsmiley2k in darkness

Also, if someones asking 1 question and leaving the site forever more

they've not even encountered the community

It's Over

I'm pretty sure they separate anecdotes and data

I have an impulse to type anectode right now. So there. Anectode.

Take that universe

Shadow9

@It'sOver who said it's surprising?

It's Over

Implied when there's some buzz over it

Shadow9

bee makes a buzz

It's Over

13:08

Granted, CEO's appearance still makes the headlines

Which is, uh, pretty boring BTW

There's not a single new thing to be enraged about.

Shadow9

@It'sOver CNN? BBC?

It's Over

MMA

Shadow9

Take this!

Buzz ^

It's Over

Reminds me of a customs officer stamping documents

Rob

Artifact (software development)

An artifact is one of many kinds of tangible by-products produced during the development of software. Some artifacts (e.g., use cases, class diagrams, and other Unified Modeling Language (UML) models, requirements and design documents) help describe the function, architecture, and design of software. Other artifacts are concerned with the process of development itself—such as project plans, business cases, and risk assessments. The term artifact in connection with software development is largely associated with specific development methods or processes e.g., Unified Process. This usage of the term...

BlueSoul

13:12

Top, most perceived problems: Overmoderation (too many CM?), Unwelcoming Community (hic sunt leones), barriers to participation (because the community is unwelcoming) , voting (because the community downvotes too much)

It's Over

16 mins ago, by It's Over

> Downvotes 99.985%

BlueSoul

Bottom percentages: social friction (everyone is happy and users love the company), Welcoming backslash (everyone is happy about the wagon and its implementation) and job quality (Employees are happy???)

It's Over

@BlueSoul No I think it means Careers

Shadow9

status-not-enough-waffles

BlueSoul

in the middle.... sacrificable stuff that even if disclosed is marginal (we can work on site design clarity)

It's Over

13:14

Waffles are an epidemic

Magisch

@BlueSoul coded responses means probably some weighting occured as well

BlueSoul

@Magisch yep, but those results seems kinda artificial if one was to be on the pessimistic side.

Magisch

didn't mean that

just that some data analysis and weighting based on target audiences was probably at work

BlueSoul

I know you didn't say that @Magisch. I am the one saying that the results are oddly fitting the "site is unwelcoming but that is the only problem" vision to the point of almost looking made up.

Now, I will not go to the esteem of saying those were really made up, but I wouldn't be surprise if some sort of positive reinforcement had some part in those.

It's Over

Well, who knows.

Shadow9

13:22

@It'sOver not me

It's Over

But I guess "ads taking too much space" and "annoying top bar" and "messy nav" and all that were conveniently jumbled in a "design" category

@Shadow9 Yeah, or you would have been fired

BlueSoul

@It'sOver yep probably, and I am not quite sure ADS should have.

djsmiley2k in darkness

Who filled in this survey?

BlueSoul

@PM2Ring btw, since I noticed this in the star board just now.... those are one of the reasons I kinda quit serious contributions far before the recent mess. The system currently rewards that approach far more than actual effort.

@djsmiley2kindarkness To be honest? I don't remember if I did or if i quit when I reached the (unneeded) "race identity" questions

if I actually did... then the "other" should be something similar to

> company attempts to convince a community of developers that some code isn't trying to do what it does.

Magisch

i filled in the loop survey

It's Over

13:31

@Magisch Thanks ~~Obama~~ 0.015%

Magisch

I may be 0.015% but I'm at least 95% parrot

PM 2Ring

@BlueSoul I don't blame you for doing that. It can be discouraging seeing rep-farmers, especially when they have a huge rep & ought to be setting a good example. OTOH, I can sympathise with newbies doing a bit of rep-farming just to earn enough rep to get some credibility and privileges.

Mithical

@Magisch I couldn't.

Magisch

ah yeah it was 18+

PM 2Ring

FWIW, here are my thoughts from a few years ago on encouraging people to search for dupe targets: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/322110/4014959

Journeyman Geek

13:36

@PM2Ring hmm 😁

Shadow9

@It'sOver I was on fire already, so I'm immune

You can't fire an eye, too.

PM 2Ring

I hate surveys, but I did complete the Through The Loop survey. Hopefully, my data was simple enough to be encoded into that bar graph. I suspect that answers which weren't clearly correlated with one of the bar graph categories were ignored... But I might be totally wrong.

It's Over

@Shadow9 that is immediately disputable

Tinkeringbell

@PM2Ring Heh... not dupes but about questions that should be closed and not answered anyways, on a totally different site ;)

It's Over

@Mithical ahahahaha

BlueSoul

13:41

@PM2Ring I am especially fond of the "guessing what the OP meant because gotta-go-fast"

PM 2Ring

Also,

As I've said several times before on this topic: If only people could score rep &/or badges for finding dupe targets... — PM 2Ring Apr 30 '16 at 7:33

It's Over

It's funny when it's you

Mithical

@It'sOver *pouty face*

Tinkeringbell

@PM2Ring So, more complicated reputation rules? :P

Also, there's sites where people might be a little too enthusiastic on the dupes, so perhaps don't reward that behaviour.

Magisch

I'm trying to write a document about serial voting and finding out just how few citations and examples I have because everything I'm talking about is not visible to non-mods

>_>

It's Over

13:45

@BlueSoul HEY, holding pee might lead to urinary tract infections!

Just ask @Sha. He's an expert

Shadow9

@It'sOver no, u

It's Over

@Magisch make things up like I do

Mithical

@Magisch Citations... as in about how the mod tools work?

BlueSoul

@It'sOver Congratulation! You won!

Shadow9

@It'sOver I don't hold pee

BlueSoul

13:46

It's Over

@Shadow9 ur face

Magisch

I have a lot of ... experience that boils down to incidental sightings and hearsay

nothing that I could cite in a report that needs to be credible

Mithical

HMU on Discord, I can walk you through some of the tools by memory, I trust you enough

Magisch

will do when I get home

Shadow9

Should be quick, you're a parrot

Mithical

13:47

Great. Probably about five hours from now is the best time

if that works

It's Over

I dunno, parrots look a bit sleazy if you look at their face for a while

Shadow9

@It'sOver try and see

It's Over

@BlueSoul I am blessed on this day!

Magisch

@Mithical that'll work

It's Over

@Shadow9 no u try n see

Gimby

13:49

Polly wanna cracker.

Shadow9

@It'sOver I eternally stare

It's Over

@Magisch I can play Spy Game music while you do your intelligence stuff

BlueSoul

@Shadow9 complain - pupil is not hourglass shaped.

Gimby

@It'sOver Spy Game the movie? Yeah nice tense soundtrack. Love that movie.

It's Over

How can you not love Redford being a smartass

Shadow9

13:52

@BlueSoul it was, still is in my Microsoft profile

PM 2Ring

@Tinkeringbell Yeah, that's also a tricky issue, and I expect that it needs different rules on the more subjective sites vs the scientific / technical sites. I understand people downvoting answers to questions that should be closed, OTOH, I feel uncomfortable downvoting answers that are technically correct. On Physics, we have a very strict homework policy & it's common for correct answers to bad homework questions to collect downvotes. I think that may confuse casual readers of the site.

Shadow9

@Blue ^

PM 2Ring

@Tinkeringbell Well, we want to reward good dupes, not something that's only vaguely related & unlikely to help the OP or future readers. But we also want to encourage people to exert some effort to search for dupes before writing an answer.

Shadow9

@PM2Ring Shog tweeted about it, did you see?

TL;DR: there's something big related to it planned.

He was part of it, but it's still ongoing.

PM 2Ring

BTW, I'm melting here. We finally had a few days of solid rain here in Sydney, which has cleared up the smoke haze. But today the temperature got up into the high 30s. It's now after midnight, but it's still around 28°C here, and rather humid.

@Shadow9 Not yet. I don't normally use Twitter, but I have looked at Shog's & George's recent Tweets.

Magisch

14:00

at least it's not literally on fire anymore

djsmiley2k in darkness

@PM2Ring is it so bad you've got chances of flooding? ;/

Shadow9

@PM2Ring >>>>>Start Here<<<<<

@djsmiley2kindarkness not chances, there were huge floods already

djsmiley2k in darkness

:<

Shadow9

e.g. bbc.co.uk/newsround/51160187

Tinkeringbell

@PM2Ring "technically correct" doesn't exist on most subjective sites... and I wrote that answer before IPS had the citation expectations firmly established, so I'm 99.999% sure those answers weren't even backed up.

Magisch

14:08

one problem is that many people take downvotes to mean different things

Tinkeringbell

Yep.

Magisch

the idealistic view is downvote = technically inaccurate or wrong, unsubstantiated

but there's people that use downvotes as disagreement (outside of meta)

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch The system just says a downvote means 'not useful'.

Magisch

because they think the question should be closed

because they think OP should have looked more on their own

basically the list of motivations to downvote is very broad

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch close + downvote is a pretty common combination to make sure the question is cleaned up asap if not improved.

Magisch

14:10

well a lot of closable questions also meet the criteria for a downvote

rather, if you take it to literally mean not useful a question that needs to be closed is often not useful in its current state also. And like a close vote, you can reverse a downvote later if necessary

djsmiley2k in darkness

haha @GeorgeStocker has it nailed down in that twitter thread. A few years ago the UK government got the idea into their heads about looking at drugs laws.

A few funny/insane things happened

PM 2Ring

@djsmiley2kindarkness I don't think so, but we're expecting more rain. And floods after drought and fires aren't uncommon here. And of course heavy rain after fires can cause a lot of erosion.

djsmiley2k in darkness

1. They issued a review of the current laws, to various experts in various fields around drugs culture, usage, etc. etc.

2. the review basically said "legalise soft stuff, punish hard sellers"

PM 2Ring

@Shadow9 Thanks.

djsmiley2k in darkness

3. Government decided they didn't like that, and got rid of all the experts.

4. Did another review, internally.

5. Got same result as 2.

6. Binned entire thing

7. Government started talking about possibility of leaving Europe. Asked experts. Didn't like experts responses. Asked internally. Didn't like internal responses. Asked the uneducated general public. Got a draw, which 'just' fell their way. Pushed onwards with ultimate power because it was going the 'right' way.

Can you see some patterns here?

Magisch

14:15

talking about the UK?

people voted for brexit, allthough many were misinformed. After years and years and years of bickering about how germany controls everything, I'm rather inclined to let them leave and make their own fortune imo

Tinkeringbell

@djsmiley2kindarkness leaving Europe would be a feat ;)

Magisch

they can come back without rebates under standard conditions in a couple decades

djsmiley2k in darkness

@Tinkeringbell teehee

you know what I meant :P

@Magisch 52/48.

If it was the other way.... they'd of kept having referendums.

Magisch

@djsmiley2kindarkness britain can deal with that on its own terms

it was high time to revoke all the special treatment and rebates they had anyways

djsmiley2k in darkness

:(

EU plz can we haz loan

Magisch

14:25

who knows, maybe britain will prosper

Shadow9

And in the meantime, turns out even IDF pilots have some sense of humor...

djsmiley2k in darkness

you've not been here have you xD

Shadow9

:D

@Magisch BritCoin, will beat BitCoin

Magisch

@djsmiley2kindarkness I have not, although I want to migrate to scotland at some point

Shadow9

Land of Scot... must be awesome.

Gimby

14:34

@Magisch Interesting, Scotland. Any specific reason why Scotland is the winner?

Journeyman Geek

hm

that wasn't fun

Shadow9

@JourneymanGeek of course, no doubt

Journeyman Geek

the work VPN on the brand new laptop (yay!) didn't work

Magisch

@Gimby I love scotland and scottish culture

it is most definitely my jam

Journeyman Geek

reinstalling through our software center failed until I uninstalled it propery and reinstalled :D

Shadow9

14:36

@JourneymanGeek ouch... whose fault was it?

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow9 uhm

Shadow9

@JourneymanGeek yours? ;)

Journeyman Geek

I was handed the laptop in the office carpark by the vendor

ColeValleyGirl

@Magisch And they have a government with a better set or priorities than Westminster IMO. I'd move there if it wouldn't take me so far from my family and friends.

Journeyman Geek

:D

Gimby

14:36

@Magisch Fair enough. It's also incredibly fun to shout "Scotland!" in a Scottish accent.

Journeyman Geek

already imaged with the corporate image

Shadow9

@Magisch jam isn't enough, is it also your cup of tea?

Magisch

yes

Shadow9

!!/tea Magi

SmokeDetector

@Shadow9 brews a cup of earl grey tea for @Magi

Shadow9

14:37

Good.

@Magi ETA for that? When you retire, or before?

Magisch

@Shadow9 I'm waiting on brexit to resolve (so might be a while) and then I'll look into what it takes to get a work visa and finding work there

Shadow9

@Magisch oh, so it's soon. You don't like your current job and/or place of living?

Magisch

not particularly, just preference

Machavity

15:27

If you ever think SE is a mean place, just remember Aviation.SE was nice to this guy

Magisch

could you imagine if that was actually real

Gimby

@Machavity Pff. Very likely it is a joke. But there is always that "what if" feeling.

BlueSoul

@Magisch Oh my! I am trapped on this airplane, I manage to actually get flying, now I don't know what to do.....

I will just ask on Stack. Someone will answer.

30' later..... no answer, maybe I should try a bounty?

Journeyman Geek

@BlueSoul there's a few issues :D

mobile connections don't work on planes that well

What if you lose your signal when getting your answer?

BlueSoul

@JourneymanGeek we had the boat developer once.

Gimby

15:32

@JourneymanGeek Just keep flying, just keep flying, just keep flying flying flying...

BlueSoul

Now we can proudly say we conquered airspace too.

SE: from land to sea to high in the sky, answering your questions everyday.

Journeyman Geek

that kinda reminds me of the poor paranoid folks we get who are convinced they got hacked

Magisch

maybe it's that airplane from scp that is actually a room with a dimensional door

that never stops

Machavity

@Magisch Not really. One does not simply get in a private jet and "take off" without at least knowing how to do things like start and steer said jet

BlueSoul

anyway - solution is quite simple.

Just fly towards the Himalaya and when you see a weird looking temple point toward the nearest mountain and jump down in the inflatable lifeboat that should be standard equipment for any private jet.

Gimby

16:12

@BlueSoul I detect a Temple of Doom reference

Journeyman Geek

though that was a prop plane

with chickens

Machavity

@JourneymanGeek Sounds like the chickens is revolting

Shadow9

16:25

lol

Poor @Nick

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow9 Meh, he survived to tweet about it.

John Dvorak

TWoB is unwelcoming

BlueSoul

So, I have wrapped a react component in an angular component that is wrapped as a web component in a SharePoint web part that will run on a web part zone on a SharePoint web site page.

This is starting to look like a matryoshka doll

Machavity

And that's where PHP came from...

BlueSoul

16:40

nope, it is just hate for React .jsx files and a desperate attempt at wrapping them in some actual components and forget about React.

Stevoisiak

@Shadow9 Funnily enough, I returned home from Israel today on Birthright

Mithical

17:18

@Stevoisiak Oh cool. I work with Birthright groups sometimes. Where'd you visit?

Journeyman Geek

What's birthright?

Stevoisiak

Birthright sponsors trips to Israel for young Jewish adults

Journeyman Geek

Ah

Stevoisiak

Got to visit the Western Wall

And climb Masada

@Mithical Nice!

Mithical

Did you happen to visit the north side of the country?

πάντα ῥεῖ

17:24

Hmm, today would have been the day to visit Yad Vashem

Stevoisiak

@Mithical Yes. We visiterd Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and Tiberius

@πάνταῥεῖ I saw Yad Vashem on Thursday

The airport home was busy yesterday due to diplomats visiting

Mithical

@Stevoisiak Ah, nice.

Stevoisiak

I also roomed with a programmer who worked on Any.do

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Stevoisiak Ah good. But today they had the event for 75 anniversary of the relief of Auschwitz.

Stevoisiak

@πάνταῥεῖ I'd imagine it would have been closed to the public

πάντα ῥεῖ

17:31

Could well be, yes.

Stevoisiak

It is surreal seeing photos in the news of a center I was standing in 6 days ago

πάντα ῥεῖ

17:44

Regarding this: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/342802/how-do-i-migrate-a-question-to-a-more-appropriate-se-site

I am unfortunately not able to see that close reason at SO, but IIRC Super User was one of the standard sites to migrate questions from there.
What would happen if the OP themselves would vote to close?

Journeyman Geek

I think the unilateral self close is only for dupes?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek I also think so, but wasn't sure about migration.

Might be a good FR to avoid friction about agreement.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ though to an extent, it has potential for abuse too

or site shopping - folks don't always know what's on scope for another site either

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Hmm, yes. I didn't think that over well and in depth.

@Journey "or site shopping ..." Well, it could be made applicable if the question already had such close vote proposal for the OP.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ which is why I mentioned "folks don't always know..."

πάντα ῥεῖ

17:57

OK, that applies for all folks involved, not only the OP :)

Journeyman Geek

yup

including the initial closevoter

So... potential for blind leading the blind

πάντα ῥεῖ

So I think my answer to the mentioned question lists all of the appropriate actions (I'll add self CV, but mention that it wont take imediate effect).

Journeyman Geek

18:12

Also worth considering that in many cases, the barrier for entry, so to speak for a good migration is pretty high

Also, that's probably a better fit for SF

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek I hope I am considering every aspect now (included a footnote). But basically it's a dupe as proposed by @sonic.

user400654

🦵

Rob

18:33

🐺😙

Mithical

19:03

@Rob Are you kissing Zoe?

Journeyman Geek

o0

Magisch

always ask first!

PM 2Ring

@πάνταῥεῖ Correct. There's "It's about general computing hardware and software. The post author may be able to get help on Super User." and "It's about professional server- or networking-related infrastructure administration. The post author may be able to get help on Server Fault."

Mithical

General note: sprints are exhausting

PM 2Ring

I just CV'd it with the Server Fault reason, it had 2 votes for the Super User reason, so they took precedence for the closed post notice. (I'm still getting used to the 3 votes to close rule on SO).

Journeyman Geek

19:11

@PM2Ring I can probably end it over to SF it its on SU

got a link?

PM 2Ring

@JourneymanGeek Here stackoverflow.com/q/59760789/4014959

Journeyman Geek

hm, not migrated.

PM 2Ring

Yeah. Just closed.

Rob

@Mithical It's "wolf face" + kissing or whistling.

Mithical

...I could tell that it was wolf + kissing. Hence my question.

Tinkeringbell

19:18

@Mithical Never go work in software then ;)

Mithical

specific note: do not talk to a bunch of technical minded people about sports training

Journeyman Geek

:D

Tinkeringbell

I'm not 'technical minded' :/

I'm just good with languages.

Journeyman Geek

I don't do either kind of sprinting :D

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell You're literally a software developer

>_>

Tinkeringbell

19:22

@Magisch I'm just good with languages ;)

Magisch

You solve logic puzzles and do math for a living!

Tinkeringbell

There's absolutely no math where I come from...

unless you mean 10 cm = 100 mm ;)

Magisch

boolean algebra is a form of math

Journeyman Geek

Programming languages are languages :D

Magisch

there's a reason a computer science degree is basically a math degree

Tinkeringbell

19:25

You're forgetting that my degree is in archaeology.

Magisch

yeah but you're good at software development

Tinkeringbell

'good' is subjective...

Magisch

a profession that commonly requires what is basically a math degree

Tinkeringbell

Okay so since when is math 'technical' ;)

Mithical

I mean I sincerely dislike doing math

Rob

19:29

@Tinkeringbell Not technical?, Try any of these questions: mathoverflow.net

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Well if that's math we're back at ... chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8198931#8198931

Rob

lol

πάντα ῥεῖ

TBH: I hate math, it almost always proves my algorithmic attempts to be wrong :P

Rubiksmoose

20:10

Just throwing it out there this is a fairly funny typo:

> Stackoverflow.blo

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

@Mithical better to make the standups sitting

everything is way chiller

Das_Geek

21:08

@Mithical Not all math is bad; sometimes it's like a puzzle. Not all puzzles are suited for everyone. Some people like jigsaws, others crosswords. I'm a firm believer that people just need to "find their puzzles" :)

Not that people choose to do math in their spare time, so I guess the analogy falls apart there :P

Mithical

I mean, some people do. Those people are weird though. ;)

Das_Geek

Agreed

I like back-of-the-envelope calculations. They're often quick, easy, accurate enough, and I get the dopamine rush from solving a problem

@Mithical I guess I do math in my spare time if you count the fact that my phone's alarm makes me do math before it shuts up

Mithical

Wh... why would you inflict such torture open yourself?

Das_Geek

Otherwise I'll fall back asleep

My wife has said she's seen me get up, walk across the room, turn off my traditional alarm clock, get back in bed, and continue sleeping.

And I'll have absolutely no memory of this

The math is to make sure I'm fully awake before the alarm stops

It's not as bad anymore, but when I was consistently getting <5 hours of sleep during school, it was a necessity.

user400654

21:24

i do that often, but i usually have recollection of it

it's just i'll do it repeatedly then realize i need to be out the door in 10min

Das_Geek

Yeah, that's what was getting me. Too many absences from 8am classes

Now I have a job that doesn't really care when I get in, but I still like to be there bright and early

djsmiley2k in darkness

Hah

i ocne made sandwiches for school, while asleep

at 3am

Das_Geek

Nice, asleep you doing future-awake you a favor. What a cool person they are

djsmiley2k in darkness

lol

Rubiksmoose

@Das_Geek I'm not even that productive awake!

Das_Geek

21:38

I feel that on a spiritual level

V2Blast

21:56

@Shadow9 Rather than waiting for the class to catch up and following along with the discussion, I would just hyperfocus on reading the next thing, tuning out the current discussion. Especially if it was just reading aloud as a group, I would be silently reading way faster, way ahead of the class. It wasn't until the last few months that I realized this sort of hyperfocus and complete inability to stay focused on something unless it immediately grabbed me was a symptom of my ADHD.

canon

Evolutionary advantage for hunters and fps players. :P

Shadow9

22:37

@V2Blast oh.. I see.

@djsmiley2kindarkness what did you put inside?

@Stevoisiak yup Israel decided to throw a huge party for any world leader out there that agreed to arrive. Trump didn't come, but Putin did. If you would have departed today you might have bump into him... ;)

@JourneymanGeek a way to draw (young) people to Israel. :)

Mithical

23:46

The repcap does lead to some interesting scenarios.

Like, I somehow managed to earn 10 rep total for this answer... including the accept. meta.stackexchange.com/a/342788/294691

Since it was posted after I had repcapped already, only the downvotes registered, (and the downvotes were being canceled out reputation wise by upvotes on other posts) until I downvoted an answer and then got an upvote (so at that point I had -5 total rep for the post). It was then accepted, so at +10.

I find that interesting.

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