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3:47 AM
Storm of sleepiness...
 
 
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6:14 AM
@Rob lol... Well ended up eating the chilli chocolate, was bit weird but OK. ;)
@JonEricson thanks
 
6:32 AM
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Now I'm curious about chilli chocolate...
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard hmm, they had an NAA on SO that didn't look like spam ... flagged it so it will be gone shortly ...
 
@MetaAndrewT. so buy some and try.... ;)
@rene meh, probably trying to appear "legit", some spammers do it.
 
sure
 
But that MSE pure spam is 100% proof of their real intentions.
 
true
 
left
 
7:07 AM
bottom
 
strange
 
normal
 
charmed
 
disenchanted
 
(there's normal and disenchanted quarks?)
 
7:13 AM
There are now.
 
 
Antimaster.
 
Rob
@Sha Chug, chug, chug !
 
I have read in a feature request about Android app: "In the Android app, can we have some option to mark a read notification to unread? I know that this option is not available in the web version of Stack Exchange sites."
I did not know that this is possible on the full site (desktop version) - is that really true? Where can I find that option?
 
It doesn't exist.
It says in that quote that you just posted "...that this option is not available in the web version..."
 
that ^
 
Lol. I am really blind.
Or maybe when I read something, I see simply what I would like to see.
Thanks!
 
8:14 AM
you're welcome.
 
Wait, the Android app still works?
 
@JohnDvorak define "works"
It's like a person in comma.
 
@JohnDvorak This particular post was bumped today by a new answer - most likely spam.
 
It lives, but with zero functionality.
 
That was basically the reason that I have noticed the post.
 
8:17 AM
@Martin spam indeed. I asked a CM to nuke the spammer network accounts already.
 
What font size is the comma? It's hard to fit a human into one of those usual ones.
 
@JohnDvorak Prolly the same font size as the giant S
 
Will the comma be banned, just like the giant S?
 
The giant S isn't banned... just deprecated.
 
8:24 AM
It's unwelcoming to put a human into a comma
(or into coma, for that matter)
 
It's sadly sitting in a corner, crying because no-one thinks he's funny anymore!
@JohnDvorak I disagree. In some cases, it's very welcome.
 
I still love the giant S
 
@JohnDvorak I'll make sure to let S know ;)
Maybe that'll cheer it up a bit.
 
This is not really important, but I do not know the context. What is this "giant S"? (Just out of curiosity.)
 
@Martin A deprecated meta meme: meta.stackexchange.com/a/63791/369802
 
8:28 AM
See what you've done, crusade of love? Now there are people out there who don't even know what the giant S is!
 
*summer
@JohnDvorak that's vaguely the point of depreciating it.... ;p
 
Do you mean "deprecating", or "depreciating"?
 
@JohnDvorak Yes
 
Oh, I've seen some comment alongside those lines in connection with pluralization. Since it was mentioned here with font sizes, I thought about fonts and characters.
 
@JourneymanGeek that comma before "or" means you have to pick one
 
8:30 AM
YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!
 
Hey, shouting isn't nice ;-)
 
I'll have a word with myself.
 
Thanks :)
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard gone
@SonictheBracketedHedgehog gone
 
9:04 AM
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,person,,,
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eh, comma? a singular comma?! without the giant S!?!
 
status-in-comma
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Rob
9:13 AM
@JourneymanGeek I think that saying came from "Animal House" (but I've no time at the moment to find the exact clip, definitely not those guys). If you want the video of my Friday nights (of days gone by) then take the audio from this video: youtu.be/5sHr-STomzo and the visual of this video: youtu.be/v_kni8_0JmY and that's pretty close to my drinking buddies.
 
Rob
9:32 AM
@Martin It raises its head from time to time, but some people don't give an S; in accordance with the CoC.
 
9:59 AM
Giant S forbidden by CoC. So weird for those who have no idea about SE at all. :P
 
10:19 AM
Ads (=spam) make a bad impression on visitors, and they do nothing to resolve low quality posts. In my opinion, it's time that users bought an annual subscription that provides access to the entire network. New users pay a smaller fee to have access to SE for four months. If they're happy with the experience, they'll renew and buy a year's subscription. This will ensure quality questions, or at the very least new contributors will have read the help center before paying the fee. Users with 20K should be exempt, the site is free for them, as they have proven to provide valuable content. — Mari-Lou A 7 hours ago
This'd be a nice way to kick me out. And every other Iranian on these sites.
 
Yeah, this won't happen. But I totally can envision SE starting to sell "Premium Account" in some variant.
Anyone will be able to use anything like before, but if they're impatient to get privileges and got the money, they'll be able to simply buy those privileges.
 
That's a terrible idea
 
Guess it will happen in 6-8 years, when they'll really run out of money.
(the new ads are a bad joke, I don't believe they'll give SE any real money, just drive those without adblock away.)
 
One of the big big draws of SE is it's a proper meritocracy in most respects
 
@JourneymanGeek show off
 
10:25 AM
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard and the best way to deal with that is to document and report all the terribad ads
@Marshmallow I started with 1 rep, just like everyone else
 
I'm just playing around
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard which probably will end up with paid users demanding answers, shared accounts....
 
I flagged it before Smokey. Probably. What's my prize
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard fooling monkeying
 
Are spammers keto?
 
10:27 AM
@JourneymanGeek nah.. maybe.... I won't be around to check. The day they announce such a thing, I'm out. Will delete all my accounts and stop using SE.
 
^ See what I'm talking about? Your name is too big.
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard quite a folks would go
 
@Marshmallow my what is too big?! :D
 
Can we change the subject to something less gloomy
Like a nuclear fallout
 
10:28 AM
Den on the Meta
How come I get the warnings when I get too Denny?
 
@Marshmallow Not enough pee for that
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Worry not, backup has arrived
<
 
@Marshmallow because you're Mar
Mar is smaller than Sha
let's see...
 
Rob
Together you're Ashram.
 
Ashmar sounds better
Like an old evil deity that possesses a doll or something
 
10:31 AM
Now is the time for "Ads on the Meta".
 
alert("Mar smaller than Sha? " + ("Mar" < "Sha"));
See? JS agree with me. :D
 
FWIW, I haven't voted on the ad thing because I haven't seen one yet
 
@Marshmallow high six
 
But I'd certainly not want my mom to see ads of bras where I'm searching
 
@Marshmallow on LifeHacks.SE
 
Rob
10:33 AM
I can't find Ashmar, but here's Ashram: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashram
 
@Rob that's a mix. We can be ShaMar or MarSha though.
 
@MetaAndrewT. Is that a thing anymore
 
@Marshmallow sure, just asked a question there yesterday
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Rename to Shallow Wizard so we can be MarShal
 
And got useful answer.
Marsha (foaled 16 March 2013) is an Irish-bred, British-trained Thoroughbred racehorse and broodmare. She was a specialist sprinter, all but one of whose victories came over the minimum distance of five furlongs (1000 metres). After winning two minor races as a juvenile in 2015, she made progress throughout the following year, taking the Land O'Burns Fillies' Stakes and the City Walls Stakes before ending her season with a win in the Prix de l'Abbaye. In 2017 she added wins in the Palace House Stakes and the Nunthorpe Stakes and was sold at the end of the year for a record price of 6,000,000 guineas...
@Marshmallow nah.... maybe Shadow The Mar Wizard
:P
@Marshmallow since it's Google ads it means you'll get them according to what you search for. So if you really don't search for bras online, you'll be safe. ;)
 
10:37 AM
Shadow of the Marshmallow Wizard
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard They have been successfully, magnificently irrelevant before. I never ever play browser games but that's what I keep getting on other sites with Google ads
 
Rob
Marsha
 
@Rob this picture is missing something like "Your kingdom awaits you. Play the most popular browser game now!"
 
Just FYI, I'm not the horse's butt. My name comes first anyway.
 
Rob
 
10:40 AM
@Rob wrong. Marcia
 
Rob
That goes much better with that.
 
"Your zoo awaits you. Play the most popular browser!"
 
@Rob I see it
@Marshmallow yeah you're the head I'm the rear
Anyway... top Google image result for Marsha is.... ready? it is..... This!
 
Rob
Best to be up front: youtube.com/watch?v=DcNVcRK4F4g
 
@rene sadly the high ratio on Islam.SE doesn't surprise me, although I'm not an active contributor there. Imagine if there was an emacsvsvim.SE. That's basically the situation in Islam.
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard No such command 'pass'.
 
Such a polite bot
 
Rob
11:23 AM
Didn't do so good against the octopus!, or the racoon.
 
But against a cucumber, they're helpless.
 
12:54 PM
@Marshmallow yeah, I hand selected two sites that I expected to have an explicit voting culture. I'm biased. To do justice I'll create the network wide query.
 
biased flower is biased
 
1:13 PM
@Marshmallow here is the networkwide analysis: data.stackexchange.com/workplace/query/1068071
 
@Marsh you still work hard to fill the studies gap? Or did you finish all exams already?
 
1:31 PM
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard 2 weeks
@rene And emacsvsvim is unsurprisingly first sorted by ratio
Chem is 10th. I'm proud
 
Isn't it the Pride Week now? :D
(think my city will hold the parade tomorrow)
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard I think the Dutch pride week is somewhere in August. Isn't pride week different per country?
 
I dunno, Pride is a crappy car.
 
@Tinkeringbell should be June, worldwide.
hmm...
> Most pride events occur annually, and many take place around June to commemorate the 1969 Stonewall riots in New York City, a pivotal moment in modern LGBTQ social movements.[4]
 
Also, TeX is unsurprisingly the last.
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Oh wait. Maybe that's only Amsterdam then, not the whole Netherlands.
But that would be strange as well...
 
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard TeX, the one that's missing another T.
 
@Tinkeringbell yup
 
First surprise: Germans are a happy bunch. 112th.
 
 
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onebox 10/10
 
@EKons It's marketing spam again, no new badges for you, sorry!
 
I really don't care about badges...
 
Maybe we should remove SO blog from this chatroom already, given it's not actually about SO.
 
@Feeds no list for you...
 
2:53 PM
or rename it to SE blog
because sometimes the posts there aren't about SO at all
 
waffles
 
This one doesn't seem to be about SE at all
 
@JohnDvorak the company not the site
though admittedly this is a bit of filler content of sorts ._.
 
It looks like advertising to me.
 
because it is
also, the company is actually "Stack Exchange, Inc."
 
3:01 PM
Schrodinger Name... I know...
 
The physicist's name is actually in a quantum superposition of Schrodinger and Schroedinger until typed down.
 
@EKons but they brand as stack overflow unless they change it again
 
that's the brand
so... yeah, you can't be sure which one fits for the blog
 
And the blog is mostly for the brand
 
That's confusing because the Stack Overflow app on android actually only handles Stack Overflow the site.
 
3:03 PM
the Stack Overflow app doesn't exist anymore
 
Yusss!
 
3:24 PM
It's been taken off the Play Store for a while.
 
Quick poll: Are people more sensitive, in general, than 10 years ago or are our institutions simply pandering to sensitivity more readily?
 
People in general, or SE users???
 
SE is a microcosm of the global community, isn't it? (lol)
In general, let's say.
 
@canon I've got a sociology book on a theory that states a lot of big problems have been fixed for a lot of people, so people start focusing on ever smaller stuff. In order to get enough attention though, they need to blow the small stuff up to big stuff proportions.
 
Hmm... dunno, but since the Social Media boom and the Ease of Internet Accessibility, I think the answer is "yes".
 
3:28 PM
@Tinkeringbell Is it titled, First World Problems?
 
@canon Nope ;)
 
@canon that book would be 100% rants...
 
So I wouldn't say institutions are pandering more easily or that people have gotten more sensitive, but simply that the problems they're struggling with every day have changed in nature
 
But I'm certainly someone who is ineligible to opine since I care less about it...
 
Food -> Shelter -> Health -> Broadband -> Tax Bracket -> Feelings
 
3:32 PM
I mean, why do I rant about the way my company treats females from time to time, instead of focusing on solving world hunger or climate change? Because neither of the latter is a direct, big problem in my life.
 
@canon -> or >? ;P
big difference between the two symbols
 
it's just an arrow
 
@canon Perhaps it's related to the fact that the climate is going to \w{4} and that you live in the USA you need to work 17 hours per day if you want to pay off school, and if you wake up in the hospital, you know you won't be able to pay the rent for the next 70 years, and if you're lucky enough to not live in USA, or on an overcrowded peninsula, or to a $religion in a country that despises $religion, or [snip], you'll still hear of plenty people that do live in those places.
 
what the hell is -> as a logical symbol anyway?
 
logical implication
 
3:34 PM
It's a lambda literal in Ruby
 
but it's usually understood as "leads to" (i.e. logical implication in layperson terms)
 
I dub it the progression of concerns
as each segment is resolved, you move to the next
 
Feelings -> Food
 
lol
vicious cycle
 
@canon Yep, there's this 'pyramids of needs' thing theory somewhere that kinda matches most of that ;)
 
3:35 PM
actually, "Feelings -> Food" isn't so false
 
 
Perhaps that's where the "upset" in "upset stomach" comes from
As in, upset stomach means stomach like that of upset people
 
@canon picture checks in
 
It's an older meme, sir; but it checks out.
@JohnDvorak I can't think of anything but "dvorak keyboard layout" when I see your name.
 
Conspiracy theory, they retired the Reversal Badge badge because the reversal badges call attention to all the highly downvoted company announcements such as the Network Ad posts
 
3:51 PM
@CharlieBrumbaugh And I wonder why people are complaining about never getting announcements ;)
 
Because people can't complain if they never know what's coming to them
 
Complain Overflow [Complain.SE]
 
4:13 PM
This one meta.stackexchange.com/questions/316934/… had 29 reversal badges awarded
 
@CharlieBrumbaugh I'm glad they didn't take the downvotes there as 'revisiting isn't needed and discussing this unnecessary!'
 
4:40 PM
The downvotes seemed to be more about why the process of changing things got started, not about making changes that had been requested for a long time
 
4:52 PM
@CharlieBrumbaugh Yep. And I still find that mean...
 
5:18 PM
@Tinkeringbell No way to win. Yelled at if they don't, downvoted into oblivion if they do. There's no real decent option.
Except maybe just posting it all on a blog where neither can happen, I guess.
 
@fbueckert I guess it's time to make meta less murderous, like Monica wrote that post about...
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This isn't really sustainable in the long run...
 
i mean... you either value the opinion of those there enough to deal with the negativity, or you don't.
negativity isn't going anywhere
 
@KevinB But right now, what do a lot of downvotes say? That people don't want ads at all? That they have worries and questions, like some of the answers express? That they're booty-bothered over the timing of the announcement?
That they find the discussion not useful, unclear, or lacking research effort?
 
they mean different things to different people
so probably all of the above
 
@KevinB Good luck figuring out which is which then... I guess it makes listening to your community a lot harder.
 
5:27 PM
indeed.
The tools available don't allow us to provide such a reason in a way that scales.
We can downvote, leave a comment, and/or answer. or any combination of those. but it's unreasonable to expect 50 or 200 or more people to leave answers/comments saying the same thing
it often also "isn't an answer to the question"
 
True. But why should Meta be any different from Main sites with regards to just sticking votes to what they're meant for, and comments and answers too?

The announcement is asking you to give feedback on the ads, you stick to giving feedback on the ads.
 
Frankly i find announcements being made in blog posts offensive, because it eliminates the ability to easily provide feedback. We can't just click a reaction button, or upvote a comment.
5
 
Apparently you're supposed to post your own reaction rant on MSE
 
@KevinB Perhaps not. But the announcement about new badges didn't get a flood of downvotes, and there were some good questions on MSE about the effects of them nonetheless, so...
 
@Tinkeringbell Ehh. I'm not sure such a culture shift is possible in the short term.
 
5:32 PM
it's strange though. because that's somewhat of a standard thing for announcements by companies
but SE, being the creator SO, has spoiled us with this platform that we can easily provide reactions to content through
 
@fbueckert I'm not a patient person. That has worked on IPS so far XD
 
Nor am I sure that it should even be changed.
@KevinB Jobs has a...unicorn reaction? Seems like the infrastructure is there; just apply it to Meta.
 
Another example... On SO, i often come across well crafted questions that can easily be answered, that aren't necessarily duplicates, but... they're so specific and localized and poorly worded/titled that they'll never be useful to anyone else. We don't have any tools that we can use to express that reaction clearly without causing the OP to feel like they've been slighted
other than jsut not reacting and letting useless content continue to pile up
 
I think if there were enough people curating SO, there'd be time to help with the 'poorly worded/titled' stuff to at least make sure others can find it?
 
that's the thing though... they won't find it
because people who have that problem don't know what to search for. that's why they have the problem in the first place
 
5:37 PM
@KevinB So... it's either a dupe from something already asked that does use the right technical terms, or lacking the right technical terms?
 
eh, maybe dupe? somewhere? certainly possible. but even i often don't know what terms would actually find the answer
otherwise i'd be able to find a dupe, :p
 
XD
Well, then I guess your best bet is to close stuff as 'unclear'? As in 'We have no clue what you're talking about'? :P
 
this for example is a fairly straightforward question, won't be that difficult to answer, but it's sooooo specific no one is ever going to encounter this problem and find this question. It could be improved, such as removing the no jquery requirement and letting that be a second question, or... i dunno, doing a bit more work before asking, but as is it's certainly answerable.
 
Do you know how I call the alpha strain of overly specific question that aren't difficult answer? Homework dumps.
 
but... i don't feel comfortable answering questions like this
because it seems as if they've made no attempt to make any of the changes they're asking for
When i make a suggestion, they say show me how
 
5:44 PM
If they want whole code - which is a safe assumption - I close as too broad
 
also... what is FP
the only thing that comes to mind is frontpage
lol
 
@KevinB In context to SD?
(SmokeDetector)
(Sorry, couldn't resist responding with another acronym)
@KevinB Missing the "too localized" close reason?
 
eh, i'm in agreement that it was being abused too much
I think these questions should be allowed to be answered, i just would like a way for them to be cleaned up over time.
 
Meh, they do no harm.
 
They do harm because they encourage more of themselves
 
5:52 PM
Propose it on MSO
 
they don't fit neatly into the box of content the site was supposedly designed for. they're outliers. we could just ignore them, they'll keep coming, getting answered, showing up in irrelevant search every now and then, etc. not a huge problem. but my point wasn't really about this question in particular, i've gotten off track
it's that the downvote is made for expressing that feedback
along with a lot of other types of feedback
you can't both downvote it for being useless and upvote it for being well written and answerable
 
That sounds like 'just do nothing'
 
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Q: Comments: You've heard of +1, you've heard of -1. Now get ready for ±0!

user45266In comments, some people voluntarily write "+1" or "-1" to indicate what they did vote-wise on the post. But when people want to say that they weren't the person who downvoted, there's no way to really say that concisely. So I propose "±0", which would function the exact same way but mean that th...

 
which is entirely useless for providing useful feedback on meta
I don't see meta as this special snowflake where voting all of a sudden doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense everywhere. You can't determine why someone upvoted or downvoted posts on stackoverflow either, or ips, or anywhere else. it's anonymous by design. Not voting at all means you're suppressing your opinion entirely, not giving it, which doesn't feel good.
I don't have any ideas for a solution, but i don't think using another platform that suppresses feedback is the answer.
 
Dang. Summer has broken loose in full force! All those bugs!
(luckily most are just flying by more than once ;) )
 
i find the +- funny
 
6:29 PM
@KevinB It is! I want a rep change and see it too :)
 
looks like the +- is fixed
or not
 
@KevinB The responsive page view is too.
 
it just doesn't happen for positive rep gains
just happened agian for a negative rep change
 
6:59 PM
@Tinkeringbell My lawn was conquered by dandelions.
That was fun.
 
@fbueckert Did you let them get to the fuzzy point, then use a leaf blower? :D
 
@Tinkeringbell Yes, and then lawnmower.
 
Awesome :D
 
Well, lawnmower was the leaf blower.
And the dandelions almost won the battle.
 
Very brutal. I fear for Arqade.
 
7:01 PM
Now you disappoint me.
The way to deal with dandelions is either leaf blowers or not-a-flamethrowers
 
It still got the fuzzies everywhere.
Except my lawn, apparently; they're not nearly in the numbers as they were before.
 
Yeah but not as everywhere as a leafblower would!
 
Or, um, a peace treaty
 
@Marshmallow You don't make peace with dandelions. You wage all out war.
 
They discovered a species of dandelion they thought was extinct (or was it a new species?) a few months back here....
I mean, there are people there that care enough about dandelions (really, the article had a 'dandelion expert')...
To go out and look at them XD
 
7:03 PM
@Tinkeringbell Maybe it was a new species that immediately seemed to have gone extinct
 
@Marshmallow I think that would be nice if it were true ;) But it's not what I remember.
 
7:52 PM
@fbueckert dande who?
 
8:11 PM
@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard can't tell if serious
 
8:35 PM
@fbueckert join the club
 
 
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